Why all-male sports anime are not yaoi, and the discussion of it.

Oct 11, 2016 10:18 AM

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Unyversu said:
One outs is called yaoi? No way lol 0_o

Sports anime in general. If there are a large concentration of males in an anime and they aren't tearing each other guts out it's yaoi.

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Oct 13, 2016 4:55 AM

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Shigure said:

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I was not saying that characters should, by standard, have a crush on some girl, I was just pointing a natural behavior that is just common sense and the reason why many sports anime before had better representation of male behavior. You can't separate men from their interest in women, specially when you're dealing with high schoolers.

The real problem though is that when you have a entire team of handsome dudes that goes on talking all the time how they care about their teammates and none of them has even talk about women then the least you will do is wonder about their masculinity. If you don't do that, maybe you're effeminate yourself.

There's several big differences between Slum Dunk and any other classical sport manga to any modern sport manga, that goes from the character design to the way friendship and teamwork are portrayed.
It is clear for someone who read both what is most appealing to men.

About Yuri on Ice... THIS THING IS GAY.
Common guys, its ballet on Ice, It should not even be called a sport, it is a fucking dance.
All these gracious moves, the sensitivity of the techniques, there's no way this can be male stuff.

Basically, you view men who don't do manly things to be effeminate men who are gay. There's nothing abnormal about a group of heterosexual guys not talking about girls at all. I have a group of friends I hang out with since the start of high school, and I don't recall a time where we talked about girls. We all are definitely straight, but we just aren't interested in talking about girls. We mainly talk about sports, tv shows and movies, otaku shit, and video games. I work with a bunch of male coworkers that I've known for years, and talking about girls is just not a thing we care about. The closest I'll hear about talking about girls would be family-related stuff like "My wife and I went to X and had a great time" and "My sister just got married". I don't know about you, but there are lots of things guys are more interested in talking about with other guys than relationships with girls.

Your perception on figure skating is bizarre. You must think acrobatics is gay for men because that's what figure skating is. It's a sport that emphasizes heavily on acrobatics and performance arts. All these gracious moves you call them can be male stuff. A lot of men do enjoy watching figure skating too.

As far as I know, as any kind of person, men talk about things are interesting to them. Since straight man are interested in sex, women is a subject they will probably talk about. I wasn't talking about relationship though... men in general are not interested in relationship conversations. I'm talking about sex or things you think are attractive in a woman. Of course, if you're in a serious relationship you tend to lose interest in this kind of subject, but single men is another history.

I brought this subject because anime characters are mostly teenagers. One word: puberty. There is an entire genre to appeal to these intrinsic masculine instincts: ecchi. Considering only the genres in that this subject should be naturally implied, it seems to me that the fact that most anime characters don't talk about women is because 1) Due to general japanese awkwardness, japanese guys thinks it is an embarrassing topic, 2) Japanese teens become overwhelmed by the idea of romantic relationship to the point that they mostly don't really know what to talk, 3) In ecchis, the genre that appeal to this subject, the protagonist usually don't have close male friends or falls in the second category.

This standard obviously don't apply to western culture, and now we return to the first topic. You probably don't know that being effeminate and being gay are two different things. If you want to understand the real standard of modern masculinity, read this article: http://www.returnofkings.com/93555/4-types-of-men-within-the-masculinity-matrix.

Oct 13, 2016 5:12 AM

#203

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Kuromii said:

DoctorSexy said:

If it balances all the objection that men get
Then yes

Are you blind to the hundreds upon hundreds of anime that objectify.

Are you blind to the thousands of shows that objectify men

Insert any shoujo, yaoi, Josei, shoujo, reverse harem here

Oct 13, 2016 5:18 AM

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DoctorSexy said:

Kuromii said:

Are you blind to the hundreds upon hundreds of anime that objectify.

Are you blind to the thousands of shows that objectify men

Insert any shoujo, yaoi, Josei, shoujo, reverse harem here

Not even a thousand. They are barely 800 hundred even counting multiple times shows that are in multiple genres.

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Oct 13, 2016 11:55 AM

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DoctorSexy said:

Kuromii said:

Are you blind to the hundreds upon hundreds of anime that objectify.

Are you blind to the thousands of shows that objectify men

Insert any shoujo, yaoi, Josei, shoujo, reverse harem here

You need to re-learn what objectifying means, my love.

Oct 14, 2016 5:20 AM

#206

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Because if it were they would end up like the rugby club from FMP Fummfou before Sousukes training.

And whats fun to watch about that.

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Oct 14, 2016 8:11 AM

#207

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Sports manga and anime tend to draw a lot of the BL crowd (Kuroko no Basugay and Free! especially), which makes many people write off the genre as yaoi. It's most certainly yaoi-bait.

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Oct 14, 2016 8:43 AM

#208

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waifuEqualslaifu said:
Sports manga and anime tend to draw a lot of the BL crowd (Kuroko no Basugay and Free! especially), which makes many people write off the genre as yaoi. It's most certainly yaoi-bait.

Oh, there are people who ship Reinhard von Lohengramm and Siegfried Kircheis, this must make Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu an absolute fujoshi-bait and yaoi-bait anime!

If you start looking at how the crowd responds to it with fan-art, fan-fiction and whatnot, you can say this for every anime in the game. It's just not how applying a genre to an anime works.

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Nov 22, 2016 4:46 AM

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Well there's a difference between real yaoi and the POTENTIAL for the fandom to make yaoi out of it. None of the sports anime are explicitly yaoi, are they? I find KnB and Haikyuu totally not yaoi or gay even. Free can get a little suspicious but still nothing conclusive. Yuri on ice on the other hand feels like it's the gayest... I think if any sports anime goes canon for yaoi that's the one.

But most of the time I don't see how sports anime can be seen as yaoi except there's fanservice and mild homoerotic subtext. Everything can be brushed off as bromance to be honest.

If guys don't like it then too bad? I think they just want a normal heterosexual relationship and female characters who would end up as love interests? Which is kind of pointless in sports anime because isn't character development and teamwork (and thus bromance) the most important in sports anime???

I never get all the hate about yaoi or even a little homoero subtext because can't you just turn the other way? I mean if someone doesn't like gore or ecchi or anything else you never see them complaining about it. They just avoid watching it. I would think that those who 'hate' against homosexual subtext are at least a little homophobic even though they claim not to be.

I do agree that if the trope keeps appearing it gets annoying but if people keep whining about it it gets really annoying too. I mean I personally don't like excessive female characters or hetero relationships which is like I can't watch 90% of animes and I never bashed about its prevalence? Like dude. I think most are just offended that sports anime are now being targeted towards girls who likes this kind of stuff, something like invasion of their space? Like how it's tagged as shounen but all the fan base are girls cause it feels gay. Lol. Well what can I say the companies just choose to cater to the audience which pays more money.

Nov 22, 2016 4:14 PM

#210

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I do not really think of KNB and Haikyuu as yaoi, but I think, the reason why some people think of sports anime with male characters as yaoi, is because of how some scenes were shown.

Example: Male Character 1 touches MC 2's head, then they will show MC 1 looking so gentle and full of love (Sometimes he even look erotic) and then there's that shoujo vibe with the animation - the lighting, the angle..that flowery kind of scenario that you will see in shoujo anime. So it's kind of like "interpret it the way you want" - but they are never ever going to admit that they are in love with each other, there will be no confession or anything, so yeah..sometimes it's just for fan service for those who like that kind of scenes.

Unlike this kind of scenes where...it's almost impossible to give it a double meaning.

Although some people still ship Sakuragi with Rukawa, male audiences don't see their scenes are "yaoi or gay" because it's oozing with manliness..but Yuri on Ice is a bit hard to deny though.

Nov 22, 2016 4:27 PM

#211

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just look at all the all-male sports that came from before 2011 and you will as a male feel safe

Sonic X is basically an isekai

Nov 23, 2016 3:14 AM

#212

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All sports anime have to be gay?

Wow I never knew heterophobia existed.

Nov 23, 2016 8:17 AM

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All-out is certainly homoerotic as all hell. Its not just about being flamboyant, because JoJo's bizarre adventures is the most flamboyant show out there, yet also some how the most manly.

Its about overall atmosphere and what the show chooses to emphasize. A lot of the characters have overly feminine features for no real reason as well as being hilariously muscular at the same time. Then the constant male blushing.... the comradery goes to far with many characters.

I play sports. Been playing team sports since i was 8. I understand team dynamics. It's not homoerotic... And my problem is not about it being gay, i'd rather some of the dudes on the team just kiss and get it over with instead of having the entire team be awkwardly gay. We still havent seen any rugby match worth watching, i want to get to that.

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Mar 12, 2017 7:21 AM

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Lestat- said:
With this season's newly adapted All Out!! and Yuri!!! on Ice (plus yet another season of Haikyuu!), the male audience of anime has yet again risen in to an uproar on sports anime; the largest portion of the male audience believes these titles are shounen ai, or even pushing it as far as calling them yaoi. Why? I do not know. They are not — I have watched Kuroko no Basket, One Outs, Free!, Prince of Stride and Yowamushi Pedal, and none of these series show any indication of homosexual encounters or romance between male characters. Believe it or not, but most sports anime are categorized as shounen and seinen, meaning they are mostly targeted at a male audience. Their manga are likely even to be featured in the widely acclaimed Weekly Shōnen Jump, which is again, primarily targeted at young men and men in general.

The mindset of a lot of young males on this subject just feels like a result of this twisted view on homosexuality. Looking at a group of men entertaining themselves through friendship and sports, does not make one homosexual. When you happen to look at a swimming team and the men happen to only wear slim trunks —as is, well; necessary in swimming sports—, does this make you homosexual? No, it does not. Now, I cannot speak for the male sex, but I find it disturbing how little tolerance the male gender seems to have toward viewing their own sex. Seeing a topless male is suddenly 'gay', and any group of men who are friendly with one another must all be 'gay'. I have never received a clear answer on this as I can only speculate about the prudish view on a same-sex perspective of heterosexual men, but why is it so problematic for you Martians to either witness another pleasant-looking man, or to be present in the same environment as a handsome —I feel I have to mention appearance, seeing as this feels like something that either intimidates men or urges them to think of someone as 'gay'— man? I have even heard of young men on actual sports teams either showering with their boxers on, or refusing to shower at all.

As a woman, I can logically (well — as logical as this can get) come to three conclusions; 1. You are afraid that other men in the changing room are homosexual, and they develop feelings of lust or romance to you if they witness your naked self - 2. You are afraid that witnessing other naked men might inspire homosexual feelings within you - 3. You are suffering from some sort of distorted body image of yourself and fear that others will laugh at your naked self.

Now, I have strayed from my own initial point, as in none of the anime I mentioned earlier feature any unclothed men in an inappropriate setting (Yuri!!! on Ice's pilot did show a shot of a character rising from a bath, but this was at an onsen — meaning the setting calls for a culturally appropriate usage of nudity), but looking deeper in to the subject, I feel like there are a lot more underlying developments that causes a lot of men to think this way.

Men and women, please share your thoughts — any are welcome.

Truth. While I agree that there's many fangirls that like sports anime, in the end most of them are all adapted from shonen magazine. Their main target is (straight) teenage boys. Most guys in sports anime (KuroBasu, Haikyuu, etc) keep talking how they want a girlfriend or ranting how cute female manager is etc etc etc.

That's why I don't get why straight men keep bashing Kurobasu or Haikyuu with "It's so gay" or "It's aimed at fujoshi" considering canon gay/bi men in an actual sports anime is almost nonexistent. So the next time some dude said "I don't want to watch this show. It's so gay!" it better be really gay like Yuri on Ice, not 'straight' man that has a close friendship other male character and BABOOM! He date a woman at the end of series.

Mar 12, 2017 8:50 AM

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I stand behind my comments.

I'm not watching any gay anime....sorry folks.

Nov 11, 2017 4:37 PM

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Kyokutou said:

Lestat- said:
With this season's newly adapted All Out!! and Yuri!!! on Ice (plus yet another season of Haikyuu!), the male audience of anime has yet again risen in to an uproar on sports anime; the largest portion of the male audience believes these titles are shounen ai, or even pushing it as far as calling them yaoi. Why? I do not know. They are not — I have watched Kuroko no Basket, One Outs, Free!, Prince of Stride and Yowamushi Pedal, and none of these series show any indication of homosexual encounters or romance between male characters. Believe it or not, but most sports anime are categorized as shounen and seinen, meaning they are mostly targeted at a male audience. Their manga are likely even to be featured in the widely acclaimed Weekly Shōnen Jump, which is again, primarily targeted at young men and men in general.

The mindset of a lot of young males on this subject just feels like a result of this twisted view on homosexuality. Looking at a group of men entertaining themselves through friendship and sports, does not make one homosexual. When you happen to look at a swimming team and the men happen to only wear slim trunks —as is, well; necessary in swimming sports—, does this make you homosexual? No, it does not. Now, I cannot speak for the male sex, but I find it disturbing how little tolerance the male gender seems to have toward viewing their own sex. Seeing a topless male is suddenly 'gay', and any group of men who are friendly with one another must all be 'gay'. I have never received a clear answer on this as I can only speculate about the prudish view on a same-sex perspective of heterosexual men, but why is it so problematic for you Martians to either witness another pleasant-looking man, or to be present in the same environment as a handsome —I feel I have to mention appearance, seeing as this feels like something that either intimidates men or urges them to think of someone as 'gay'— man? I have even heard of young men on actual sports teams either showering with their boxers on, or refusing to shower at all.

As a woman, I can logically (well — as logical as this can get) come to three conclusions; 1. You are afraid that other men in the changing room are homosexual, and they develop feelings of lust or romance to you if they witness your naked self - 2. You are afraid that witnessing other naked men might inspire homosexual feelings within you - 3. You are suffering from some sort of distorted body image of yourself and fear that others will laugh at your naked self.

Now, I have strayed from my own initial point, as in none of the anime I mentioned earlier feature any unclothed men in an inappropriate setting (Yuri!!! on Ice's pilot did show a shot of a character rising from a bath, but this was at an onsen — meaning the setting calls for a culturally appropriate usage of nudity), but looking deeper in to the subject, I feel like there are a lot more underlying developments that causes a lot of men to think this way.

Men and women, please share your thoughts — any are welcome.

Truth. While I agree that there's many fangirls that like sports anime, in the end most of them are all adapted from shonen magazine. Their main target is (straight) teenage boys. Most guys in sports anime (KuroBasu, Haikyuu, etc) keep talking how they want a girlfriend or ranting how cute female manager is etc etc etc.

That's why I don't get why straight men keep bashing Kurobasu or Haikyuu with "It's so gay" or "It's aimed at fujoshi" considering canon gay/bi men in an actual sports anime is almost nonexistent. So the next time some dude said "I don't want to watch this show. It's so gay!" it better be really gay like Yuri on Ice, not 'straight' man that has a close friendship other male character and BABOOM! He date a woman at the end of series.

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The 2016 Thread of the year is back!

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I stand behind my comments.

I'm not watching any gay anime....sorry folks.

I agree with Lestat and Kyokutou.

--ALEX-- The term 'homosexual anime' (gay/ lesbian anime) didn't exist. First, is a sexual orientation (if we have 'gay/lesbian anime' then we have a lot of heterosexual anime', why only 'gay anime'? the term is not making sense). Second, regardless if many of the male characters are gay or heterosexual (same for the female characters), is still a sports anime (same for all the genres). As Pullman says gay ≠ unmasculine.

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