Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| I was wondering why people hate/dislike her so much. I've seen some posts/comments on Facebook, Twitter, even here where people were constantly bashing her, even before the last episode where So.. What's the deal ? |
| I'm not sure about that, Emilia is not being hated as our MC And that the point, the directore trying their best to make Subaru look as horrible as possible, he supposed to be incredible pathetic and being dislike for his action, yet people still defends him lol  https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/761407243589816320 |
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| There are already some threads like this. lesterf1020 has however already responded to you. Hate doesn't make sense, but some people are like that. |
rorimoe said: I'm not sure about that, Emilia is not being hated as our MC And that the point, the directore trying their best to make Subaru look as horrible as possible, he supposed to be incredible pathetic and being dislike for his action, yet people still defends him lol https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/761407243589816320 Who hated Rem at first and now all lick her feet? The fandom? It is the same for Subaru or Emilia. They are meant to be depicted in a bad light so you dislike them. But it doesn't mean they aren't lovable in their own ways. So defending Subaru is not playing the devil's advocate. This isn't a black and white theme where Subaru is the absolute evil. |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
lesterf1020 said: You clearly don't know how shipping wars on the Internet work. In shipping wars you "prove" how your couple is the greatest possible pairing by framing them as god like saints and then you do everything possible to prove the others can't work by painting them as some combination of Hitler, Stalin and Voldemort. You clearly like Emilia so it is your job to paint Rem as a brutal monster. Trust me I know the shipping wars on the Internet haha but people bashed her even Rem too, not only Emilia, but yeah, if the reason of her bashing is just because of the RemxSubaru ship... Meh Ramiel00 said: There are already some threads like this. Well I searched on the forum to see if there was a thread like this but I guess I didn't pay attention to the results. rorimoe said: I'm not sure about that, Emilia is not being hated as our MC And that the point, the directore trying their best to make Subaru look as horrible as possible, he supposed to be incredible pathetic and being dislike for his action, yet people still defends him lol Well, not as much as him for sure but she's way too hated for a character we barely saw in the last episodes imo. Yep concerning Subaru, I expected something like that |
| I'm a straight female and I don't hate Emilia, though I think Rem is better for subaru since she truelly loves him and doesn't need to know his secrets to support him and risk her life for him. Also, lately subaru has become a real jerk around Emilia, so i don't think they would be happy together. |
| 1. People who like Rem hate her cause they don't get their perfect self-insert fantasy waifu ship. 2. Emilia actually has nothing to her character anyways. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
RainyRai said: 1. People who like Rem hate her cause they don't get their perfect self-insert fantasy waifu ship. 2. Emilia actually has nothing to her character anyways. This is basically it. Subaru loves Emilia so ppl gotta hate Emilia.... which is weird lol And, Emilia has no development. I like her character, tho. She isn't a bad person, from what we have seen and her story has yet to be told, but I still like the initial Emilia. She has shown kindness and concern for ppl she knows little to nothing about. She's shown weakness and strength. From what little we have of her character so far, I like it. I like emilia, subaru, and rem lol |
| lol wut..? no one hates her because she did nothing to be hated for..I don't know what are you talking about.. |
| It's not that I hate Emilia, it's just that I don't see why people think she is the best girl for Subaru. Rem has proven how kind and loyal she is to Subaru and how much she has developed as a character from the beginning. Rem is also very calm in serious situations. She was also composed when talking to Subaru in the latest episode. I find Rem very lovable, especially when you add in her cuteness. I've never seen any of that from Emilia. All she does is keep secrets, secrets, and more secrets. She may act all nice and kind to strangers, but even the most secretive people can do that too. I find Emilia to be very insecure and bitchy at times. I'm still wondering why she called herself "Satella" in the first timeline. Even though she wants the throne, I feel like she can't rule the country. Something about Emilia makes me feel like she has a hot temper. It's true that Subaru isn't able to tell Emilia anything, but it's bullshit when she doesn't tell him everything. Seriously though, did see what Puck turned into!? It pains me to see that Subaru chose Emilia over Rem. So far, that's the only thing I don't really like about Re:Zero. It had to be fucking cliche when it came to choosing the girl he loved. Emilia hasn't redeemed herself yet, but I hope she does soon. She's the worst girl out of all the other supporting ones. |
XarvynAug 5, 2016 5:01 PM
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sadcyborg said: RainyRai said: 1. People who like Rem hate her cause they don't get their perfect self-insert fantasy waifu ship. 2. Emilia actually has nothing to her character anyways. This is basically it. Subaru loves Emilia so ppl gotta hate Emilia.... which is weird lol And, Emilia has no development. I like her character, tho. She isn't a bad person, from what we have seen and her story has yet to be told, but I still like the initial Emilia. She has shown kindness and concern for ppl she knows little to nothing about. She's shown weakness and strength. From what little we have of her character so far, I like it. I like emilia, subaru, and rem lol Except that 2nd point is BS. Yes she doesn't have as much development in this Arc since she isn't main focus, but she plenty of characterization. Not only she well meaning strong will, stern, cool, but got interesting history regarding her heritage and being one of candidates in line for means her future developments will be for long haul. There plenty to like about as she and not much to hate especially since done a lot for Suabru without asking for anything in return. I'm tried of salt shippers who have clear bias and disregard any character isn't all over the MC. Seriously go back watch the first few to see why Suabru feel for Emilia. It's not just because she's pretty it's her character and how she treats people decency. Xarvyn said: It's not that I hate Emilia, it's just that I don't see why people think she is the best girl for Subaru. Rem has proven how kind and loyal she is to Subaru and how much she has developed as a character from the beginning. Rem is also very calm in serious situations. She was also composed when talking to Subaru in the latest episode. I find Rem very lovable, especially when you add in her cuteness. So tell me, wasn't she clam during the Elsa fight and mabeast arc? Didn't have she more tolerance for Subaru's than anyone blindly in love with? Didn't she support Subaru emotionally ad saved his life several times when she didn't have too? Wasn't she only one not betrayed and actually defensed him against the accusations of being a spy? Let''s not forget she is one still paying for his medical treatment and left one her personal guards to overseer his recovery?The only thing have on her is she not loyal to Subaru and so what? Why does that have to be requirement for anyone to interested him? I've never seen any of that from Emilia. All she does is keep secrets, secrets, and more secrets. She may act all nice and kind to strangers, but even the most secretive people can do that too. I find Emilia to be very insecure and bitchy at times. I'm still wondering why she called herself "Satella" in the first timeline. Even though she wants the throne, I feel like she can't rule the country. Something about Emilia makes me feel like she has a hot temper. It's true that Subaru isn't able to tell Emilia anything, but it's bullshit when she doesn't tell him everything. Seriously though, did see what Puck turned into!? Except she hasn't been keeping any secrets from him that's all in your head. You have no idea whether she's fit to run the country or not because the Royal Election has been pushed to background as overarching plot. And Satella thing was already explained by Subaru himself, he realized she called herself that back in first loop to scare him off in order to protect him from her troubles. Even subtle gestures like that she been looking out for him. It pains me to see that Subaru chose Emilia over Rem. So far, that's the only thing I don't really like about Re:Zero. It had to be fucking cliche when it came to choosing the girl he loved. Emilia hasn't redeemed herself yet, but I hope she does soon. She's the worst girl out of all the other supporting ones. Subaru is not you. He's been fighting and risking his Emilia for over 3 Arcs out of his own will, long before Rem came into the picture. She is the reason why he decided to stay in the mansion and get involved in all this mess not Rem. That's something was never gotten suddenly change especially because Rem does not the qualities he likes in Emilia.You're preferences doesn't matter in the story. There is also nothing Emilia needs to redeem herself for, and unlike Rem Emilia is guarantee to be in the story for long haul so there is no need to rush with her. I also don't see how worst than any of girls in the show, their haven't received much development either since none of them conveniently around Suabru all the time. Seriously some people gonna feel really silly once every other character started getting more fleshed later. |
Iron_MawAug 5, 2016 5:59 PM
Jagd84 said: sadcyborg said: This is basically it. Subaru loves Emilia so ppl gotta hate Emilia.... which is weird lol And, Emilia has no development. I like her character, tho. She isn't a bad person, from what we have seen and her story has yet to be told, but I still like the initial Emilia. She has shown kindness and concern for ppl she knows little to nothing about. She's shown weakness and strength. From what little we have of her character so far, I like it. I like emilia, subaru, and rem lol Except that BS. Yes she doesn't have as much development in this Arc since she isn't main focus, but she plenty of characterization. Not only she well meaning strong will, stern, cool, but got interesting history regarding her heritage and being one of candidates in line for means her future developments will be for long haul. There plenty to like about as she and not much to hate especially since done a lot for Suabru without asking for anything in return. I'm tried of salt shippers who have clear bias and disregard any character isn't all over the MC. Seriously go back watch the first few to see why Suabru feel for Emilia. It's not just because she's pretty it's her character and how she treats people decency. I think Emilia is great and has a lot to her character that people push aside to justify their hate. Idk why ppl can't just acknowledge both Emilia and Rem are great. But i don't think it's bs that ppl hate emilia bc they think she has no development. that's literally one of the main reasons i see in the forums lol. i disagree with all the hate towards emilia but the question was why do ppl hate her. those two reasons r the biggest, but i wasn't agreeing with them. (it seemed you thought i was. idk but i just responded to clear that up lol) |
sadcyborg said: I think Emilia is great and has a lot to her character that people push aside to justify their hate. Idk why ppl can't just acknowledge both Emilia and Rem are great. But i don't think it's bs that ppl hate emilia bc they think she has no development. that's literally one of the main reasons i see in the forums lol. i disagree with all the hate towards emilia but the question was why do ppl hate her. those two reasons r the biggest, but i wasn't agreeing with them. (it seemed you thought i was. idk but i just responded to clear that up lol) Hating someone for a lack of development still makes no sense. It doesn't sudden make a character on unlikable. By that logic I should hate Betty, Felt Crusch, Reinhard and basically every other character who hasn't had their backstory dump on us randomly. Development is only one part of a character not the whole. At this point it's just another excuse to feed shipwars and character bias. The only thing Rem has on anyone she first person that viewer has learned a good amount about... but that's it. |
Iron_MawAug 5, 2016 6:03 PM
Jagd84 said: sadcyborg said: I think Emilia is great and has a lot to her character that people push aside to justify their hate. Idk why ppl can't just acknowledge both Emilia and Rem are great. But i don't think it's bs that ppl hate emilia bc they think she has no development. that's literally one of the main reasons i see in the forums lol. i disagree with all the hate towards emilia but the question was why do ppl hate her. those two reasons r the biggest, but i wasn't agreeing with them. (it seemed you thought i was. idk but i just responded to clear that up lol) Hating some for a lack of development still makes no sense. It doesn't sudden make a character on unlikable. By that logic I should hate Betty, Felt and basically every other character who hasn't had their backstory dump on us randomly. Development is only one part of a character. i agree with that. the question the person who created this discussion asked "Why do ppl hate emilia". an answer for "why do ppl hate emilia" is "emilia has no development". it makes no sense to me. i love emilia. but, some ppl think having no development is a reason to dislike a character as a whole. that is simply the answer to the person's question lol whether i agree or not, that is a reason for why ppl hate emilia. hence, my response to the person's question not being bs lol |
sadcyborg said: Jagd84 said: Hating some for a lack of development still makes no sense. It doesn't sudden make a character on unlikable. By that logic I should hate Betty, Felt and basically every other character who hasn't had their backstory dump on us randomly. Development is only one part of a character. i agree with that. the question the person who created this discussion asked "Why do ppl hate emilia". an answer for "why do ppl hate emilia" is "emilia has no development". it makes no sense to me. i love emilia. but, some ppl think having no development is a reason to dislike a character as a whole. that is simply the answer to the person's question lol whether i agree or not, that is a reason for why ppl hate emilia. hence, my response to the person's question not being bs lol Yeah, I understand what you're saying but just sounds like an excuse to me. I don't mean to direct my annoyance at you. |
| I don't think people really hate her; majority just like Rem a lot better which is pretty much a given at this point. We've really not seen much of Emilia. |
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Jagd84 said: sadcyborg said: i agree with that. the question the person who created this discussion asked "Why do ppl hate emilia". an answer for "why do ppl hate emilia" is "emilia has no development". it makes no sense to me. i love emilia. but, some ppl think having no development is a reason to dislike a character as a whole. that is simply the answer to the person's question lol whether i agree or not, that is a reason for why ppl hate emilia. hence, my response to the person's question not being bs lol Yeah, I understand what you're saying but just sounds like an excuse to me. I don't mean to direct my annoyance at you. Lmao it's cool. I 100% understand the annoyance bc I've been pretty frustrated on the emilia and subaru hate that I can't seem to wrap my head around |
| It is kinda ironic considering how much unnecessary hatred Rem had in the first cour and now this shit happens to Emilia.... Most of the characters in Re:Zero are far from being generic and 2-dimensional. They are usually introduced as some generic characters whose development will usually halt after the introduction (remember how Rem and Ram being described as some bland maid characters in the earlier discussion?), only to have their ample amount of development given as the story progresses. Like how Rem being judged as some sadist and envious freak in the earlier episode to overprotective and caring when it comes to somebody she cares about, Emilia will have her share of development in Arc 4 (season 2 for anime) as the first 3 arcs are basically about Subaru's growth as a character. Even in the anime we are first introduced to a seemingly perfect waifu material Emilia who will support and believe in the male lead 100% in a typical LN adapted anime, she, in fact, wants something in return from Subaru, it's friendship. Yep, Subaru is being 'friendzoned'. Emilia is dense as the typical RomCom protag because that not even in her wildest dream can she imagine a sane man would fall in love with a half-elf. She wants an equal position as Subaru and that's the reason she denies Subaru being her servant in episode 13; she wants to understand Subaru and that why she's asking questions about Subaru's questionable actions in episode 13; she wants trust from Subaru and that's why she's angry when Subaru broken her promise when providing any good reasons. That, for me, is enough to separate Emilia from all the generic anime heroine. To be honest, I'm neither from Emilia camp nor Rem camp. My preferred waifu is Jokes aside, the choice is ultimately falls to Subaru/author. And I would despise the author if he changes the story just to cater to certain group of fans. After all, this is a story about Natsuki Subaru's life in a different world starts anew from zero. |
NitroKageAkiAug 5, 2016 6:37 PM
NitroKageAki said: It is kinda ironic considering how much unnecessary hatred Rem had in the first cour and now this shit happens to Emilia.... Most of the characters in Re:Zero are far from being generic and 2-dimensional. They are usually introduced as some generic characters whose development will usually halt after the introduction (remember how Rem and Ram being described as some bland maid characters in the earlier discussion?), only to have their ample amount of development given as the story progresses. Like how Rem being judged as some sadist and envious freak in the earlier episode to overprotective and caring when it comes to somebody she cares about, Emilia will have her share of development in Arc 4 (season 2 for anime) as the first 3 arcs are basically about Subaru's growth as a character. Even in the anime we are first introduced to a seemingly perfect waifu material Emilia who will support and believe in the male lead 100% in a typical LN adapted anime, she, in fact, wants something in return from Subaru, it's friendship. Yep, Subaru is being 'friendzoned'. Emilia is dense as the typical RomCom protag because that not even in her wildest dream can she imagine a sane man would fall in love with a half-elf. She wants an equal position as Subaru and that's the reason she denies Subaru being her servant in episode 13; she wants to understand Subaru and that why she's asking questions about Subaru's questionable actions in episode 13; she wants trust from Subaru and that's why she's angry when Subaru broken her promise when providing any good reasons. That, for me, is enough to separate Emilia from all the generic anime heroine. To be honest, I'm neither from Emilia camp nor Rem camp. My preferred waifu is Jokes aside, the choice is ultimately falls to Subaru/author. And I would despise the author if he changes the story just to cater to certain group of fans. After all, this is a story about Natsuki Subaru's life in a different world starts anew from zero. And I'm sure most of them become Rem fans right now after episode 18 :D |
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| Eh? I love Emilia. It's just, Rem's better (Outside the plot line, of course). |
| Who hate her? That's a really strong word you are using, dislike is far more appropriate and it doesn't come without reason. Most of the people were Rem lovers, so when Subaru rejected her for Emilia in ep 18, it just makes sense those people would get pissed and trash Emilia for being his waifu or whatever. Additionally Emilia is heavily underdeveloped as a character, she is nothing special besides being Generic Sweetheart #3333 and she likely won't change anything about that until later arcs. Additionally Rem had alot of developent and her arc helps making her even more loveable by the fandom, so there'll be people who prefer her much more than Emilia for the time being. Still I don't think anyone hates her, I think people dislike her which is completely different. To the LN readers, I don't give a crap if she becomes better in the LN, this is the anime so I'm saying this based on what is shown and not what is to come so don't give me some stupid response about that. |
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| Because Rem is best gurl. Basaru x Rem. #canon OP triggered yet another shit waifu thread. lol. |
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| I hate no one but she hasn't done that much. Yeah she helps and stuff but Subaru doesn't know shit about her, let's be real. He's fallen in love for her because he expects the first nice good girl he's seen in a new fantasy world to be his princess or love. Her ideology was basically "I help you because". I am not saying that's a bad thing or anything but yeah, I don't really want her to be a perfect angel elf because I don't like those characters. At the end of the day, it's an anime what am I doing |
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NitroKageAki said: It is kinda ironic considering how much unnecessary hatred Rem had in the first cour and now this shit happens to Emilia.... Most of the characters in Re:Zero are far from being generic and 2-dimensional. They are usually introduced as some generic characters whose development will usually halt after the introduction (remember how Rem and Ram being described as some bland maid characters in the earlier discussion?), only to have their ample amount of development given as the story progresses. Like how Rem being judged as some sadist and envious freak in the earlier episode to overprotective and caring when it comes to somebody she cares about, Emilia will have her share of development in Arc 4 (season 2 for anime) as the first 3 arcs are basically about Subaru's growth as a character. Even in the anime we are first introduced to a seemingly perfect waifu material Emilia who will support and believe in the male lead 100% in a typical LN adapted anime, she, in fact, wants something in return from Subaru, it's friendship. Yep, Subaru is being 'friendzoned'. Emilia is dense as the typical RomCom protag because that not even in her wildest dream can she imagine a sane man would fall in love with a half-elf. She wants an equal position as Subaru and that's the reason she denies Subaru being her servant in episode 13; she wants to understand Subaru and that why she's asking questions about Subaru's questionable actions in episode 13; she wants trust from Subaru and that's why she's angry when Subaru broken her promise when providing any good reasons. That, for me, is enough to separate Emilia from all the generic anime heroine. To be honest, I'm neither from Emilia camp nor Rem camp. My preferred waifu is Jokes aside, the choice is ultimately falls to Subaru/author. And I would despise the author if he changes the story just to cater to certain group of fans. After all, this is a story about Natsuki Subaru's life in a different world starts anew from zero. Exactly. You think people would have learned with Rem, and fact this story long from being resolved that pretty every character will get their limelight (though those more slowly than others) when their time comes. Every other character others than Rem and Subaru has only had surfaces of their characters scratched. Even then they still played major roles in story. Subaru really won't be anywhere he is today without interactions and actions of Emilia, Reinhard, Betty and even Roswaal. So the only thing Rem has over anyone you know a bit more about her than others. |
| Oh goody, more people pulling the "J-Just wait and see, she's not a shallow character! She gets development and stuff! Just wait five years for it and you'll see!" card whenever anyone insinuates that Emilia has no characterization whatsoever (which she doesn't) |
Hongu said: Oh goody, more people pulling the "J-Just wait and see, she's not a shallow character! She gets development and stuff! Just wait five years for it and you'll see!" card whenever anyone insinuates that Emilia has no characterization whatsoever (which she doesn't) i think you mean she has no development bc characterization is the character's personality. Her characterization, direct and indirect, has already been established. Having no development won't change that at any point in the story. Once her personality changes, that will be considered a development. but i think, the very fact that she was vocally furious with Subaru in front of a packed room of people, and walked away from him after he said a number of mean things, can be considered development. People fell into the assumption that she was kind enough to follow subaru blindly. be by his side regardless of doubt. But she proved she wasn't that person and even told subaru that the emilia in his mind vs the real emilia are very different. i conclude that as development, even if small. when you compare hers to rem or subaru, then her development will fall short. as will every other character. but, as of now, she is not the "kind" emilia everyone initially saw. her character has changed. development o.o imo |
sadcyborg said: Hongu said: Oh goody, more people pulling the "J-Just wait and see, she's not a shallow character! She gets development and stuff! Just wait five years for it and you'll see!" card whenever anyone insinuates that Emilia has no characterization whatsoever (which she doesn't) i think you mean she has no development bc characterization is the character's personality. Her characterization, direct and indirect, has already been established. Having no development won't change that at any point in the story. Once her personality changes, that will be considered a development. but i think, the very fact that she was vocally furious with Subaru in front of a packed room of people, and walked away from him after he said a number of mean things, can be considered development. People fell into the assumption that she was kind enough to follow subaru blindly. be by his side regardless of doubt. But she proved she wasn't that person and even told subaru that the emilia in his mind vs the real emilia are very different. i conclude that as development, even if small. when you compare hers to rem or subaru, then her development will fall short. as will every other character. but, as of now, she is not the "kind" emilia everyone initially saw. her character has changed. development o.o imo Don't be surprised that a lot people on MAL has no idea what characterization is otherwise they would know how utterly retarded it is say how someone doesn't have one. A character without characterization cannot logically exist. Even minor tertiary characters like the 3 stooges back in arc 1 have characterization. You tell someone has no idea what they're talking about and speaking of bias when they say it. |
Iron_MawAug 6, 2016 5:01 PM
| @Rehls that's what a development is imo. keeping quiet about something and finally vocalizing your opinion is a development. finally being vocally defiant is development. i think she had every right to yell at him. she believed he would trust her and not break their promise, and then she realized her promise meant nothing to him. she told subaru that she doesn't believe he does everything for her sake. she has never been so vocal and angry before that episode. originally, emilia would keep quiet about such things, but that time she didn't. a change in character. a development. |
Hongu said: Oh goody, more people pulling the "J-Just wait and see, she's not a shallow character! She gets development and stuff! Just wait five years for it and you'll see!" card whenever anyone insinuates that Emilia has no characterization whatsoever (which she doesn't) You're confusing characterization with character development because those two aren't exactly the same thing. Sure Emilia hasn't gotten any significant character development but she has already been characterized in the show. |
| Has this bitch done anything in the whole series so far? Seriously...think about it... |
lesterf1020 said: JustALEX said: Has this bitch done anything in the whole series so far? Seriously...think about it... Hmm. OK. I will. She took the time to save Subaru from bandits when she was desperately searching for her insignia. She helped a lost little girl find her parents. She saved everyone in the loot house because if she was not there everyone would have been killed quickly by Elsa, long before Reinhardt showed up. She healed Subaru after he got his belly sliced open by Elsa. She brought Subaru to her home which allowed him to get a home, a job and meet Rem. If she had not done that he would never have met Rem. She comforted Subaru and helped him maintain his sanity when he discovered that Rem was the one who was torturing and killing him. She was partly responsible for convincing Rem that Subaru should not be killed. She exhausted herself healing Subaru when he was bitten by the mabeasts. She made a contract with Crush to get Subaru's gate healed. To do that she took him to the capital where he was able to meet Crusch and Anastasia. Had she not taken him to the capital he would not have met them and not have the army he has now. Yeah, I think she did something. ^^^^^^^^^^ *sips tea* |
| 'Cause she ain't #bestgrill. |
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| I love Emilia.. I love Rem.. Why not BOTH.. :) "I Love Remilia" LOL.. :3 |
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| Because people cares too much about shipping. |
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| because remfags. |
| why am i so well drawn into time travel stories? do i really have that many regrets? |
| and people are stupid. they blame emilia for abandoning subaru at the castle. well who's fault was it? it was all subaru's. if you dont get it, maybe you should watch this anime better and put yourselves on emilia's shoes. regarding that lack of character development thingy. maybe you should learn how to wait. re zero has a long story and wn readers say arc 4 belongs to emilia so shut up and wait because obviously, we will get to that point eventually. |
| why am i so well drawn into time travel stories? do i really have that many regrets? |
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