| I hate CGI. The few shows I've seen in CGI (Ajin and Berserk 2016) looked like absolute garbage to me. Yet I keep seeing people telling CGI is cheaper and that it's the path anime is heading towards. I'm a noob about this issue. School me. Is this really true?? |
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| Cheaper, yes, easier and more practical to drawing every frame by hand. CGI is the future, just take a look at the movie industry, now even Disney and Dreamworks two big animation companies (with arguably more budget possibilities than an anime studio) switched to computer animated images. My main concern with CGI is when the anime studios will improve it and give us something with more quality and frame rates. |
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Quetzaly said: Cheaper, yes, easier and more practical to drawing every frame by hand. CGI is the future, just take a look at the movie industry, now even Disney and Dreamworks two big animation companies (with arguably more budget possibilities than an anime studio) switched to computer animated images. My main concern with CGI is when the anime studios will improve it and give us something with more quality and frame rates. Welp, that's worrisome (at least to me). I honestly don't think I'll ever get accustomed to CGI anime. |
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cartoonartist said: Try sidonia - it's not that bad when it comes to cgi. You may change your opinion afterwards. I've seen trailers and such for Sidonia and yes it wasn't as bad as Berserk or Ajin. I still prefer my good ole 2D anime. |
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| There are about 2 main studios that did most of the full 3d cg seasonal anime at the moment - Sanzigen (Bubuki Buranki, Arpeggio), and Polygon Pictures (Knights of Sidonia, Ronja, Ajin). Sanzigen is way better than Polygon, but they are less known since they don't make anime to appeal to edgelords like op. There are also some more minor examples, like Etotama, and gdgd fairies, but these aren't 22 minutes shows, or 100% 3d. Berserk is credited to a relatively small studio, GEMBA, who also seemingly specializes in 3d cg, and this is their first bigger project, but i don't expect to see much more of them in the future. I don't think full 3dcgi shows will become the majority, or even 1/4 of anime seasons anytime soon. But we'll deffo see more of it in the future, mostly blended together with 2d animation. |
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RedaJaNai said: Quetzaly said: Cheaper, yes, easier and more practical to drawing every frame by hand. CGI is the future, just take a look at the movie industry, now even Disney and Dreamworks two big animation companies (with arguably more budget possibilities than an anime studio) switched to computer animated images. My main concern with CGI is when the anime studios will improve it and give us something with more quality and frame rates. Welp, that's worrisome (at least to me). I honestly don't think I'll ever get accustomed to CGI anime. It'll get better with time though. And I doubt that CGI will completely replace traditional animation anyway. |
| I'm fine with ajin but berserk (2016) has terrible animation imo.. I still prefer 2D xD |
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RedaJaNai said: Quetzaly said: Cheaper, yes, easier and more practical to drawing every frame by hand. CGI is the future, just take a look at the movie industry, now even Disney and Dreamworks two big animation companies (with arguably more budget possibilities than an anime studio) switched to computer animated images. My main concern with CGI is when the anime studios will improve it and give us something with more quality and frame rates. Welp, that's worrisome (at least to me). I honestly don't think I'll ever get accustomed to CGI anime. Same, I love hand draw animation but it is only a matter of time. The newer anime-watching generations will accept it easier but we will need to live the slow change. |
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romagia said: There are about 2 main studios that did most of the full 3d cg seasonal anime at the moment - Sanzigen (Bubuki Buranki, Arpeggio), and Polygon Pictures (Knights of Sidonia, Ronja, Ajin). Sanzigen is way better than Polygon, but they are less known since they don't make anime to appeal to edgelords like op. There are also some more minor examples, like Etotama, and gdgd fairies, but these aren't 22 minutes shows, or 100% 3d. Berserk is credited to a relatively small studio, GEMBA, who also seemingly specializes in 3d cg, and this is their first bigger project, but i don't expect to see much more of them in the future. I don't think full 3dcgi shows will become the majority, or even 1/4 of anime seasons anytime soon. But we'll deffo see more of it in the future, mostly blended together with 2d animation. I can't possibly phantom how you got the idea that I was a 'edgelord' but I'm not. Thanks for your input otherwise. |
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cartoonartist said: RedaJaNai said: When it comes to the question whether it should substitute 2D then my answer would be the same as yours however if you consider it as a separate animation style then I'd simply see it as something that adds up to the variety of anime in general.I've seen trailers and such for Sidonia and yes it wasn't as bad as Berserk or Ajin. I still prefer my good ole 2D anime. That's fair enough. It'd just pain me to see my personal favorites become full CGI shows. |
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RedaJaNai said: the signature, and the 'ajin and berserk' partromagia said: There are about 2 main studios that did most of the full 3d cg seasonal anime at the moment - Sanzigen (Bubuki Buranki, Arpeggio), and Polygon Pictures (Knights of Sidonia, Ronja, Ajin). Sanzigen is way better than Polygon, but they are less known since they don't make anime to appeal to edgelords like op. There are also some more minor examples, like Etotama, and gdgd fairies, but these aren't 22 minutes shows, or 100% 3d. Berserk is credited to a relatively small studio, GEMBA, who also seemingly specializes in 3d cg, and this is their first bigger project, but i don't expect to see much more of them in the future. I don't think full 3dcgi shows will become the majority, or even 1/4 of anime seasons anytime soon. But we'll deffo see more of it in the future, mostly blended together with 2d animation. I can't possibly phantom how you got the idea that I was a 'edgelord' but I'm not. Thanks for your input otherwise. |
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romagia said: RedaJaNai said: the signature, and the 'ajin and berserk' partI can't possibly phantom how you got the idea that I was a 'edgelord' but I'm not. Thanks for your input otherwise. Don't take signatures on an Internet forum too seriously mate. And I merely stated *my* opinion. Yes, to me, Ajin and Berserk visually look like garbage compared to the 2D shows I've watched so far. |
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| I feel within the next 10 years anime will be mostly CGI. It may not be completely CGI then, but we will be close to it then. CGI will get better with time, so you won't need to worry then. Or maybe you won't like it and you'll keep saying it's shit, who knows. CGI used in the 80s looked atrocious, while CGI used now looks decent. The only benefit I see is more fluid mecha fights, I wonder how good CGI mecha will look when it becomes the norm |
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cilmint said: I really don't mind CG as long as it's kept to a minimum. Like, if you can make a 2D anime and just add CG for the occasional cool effect than I have no problem with that. But yeah, anime done entirely in CG looks really off somehow. I agree with this. I recently watched Koufuku Graffiti and the bowls in it were in CGI... it didn't even bother me. It's when the whole show is in CGI that it becomes unbearable for me. |
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RedaJaNai said: it's not the opinion on them, but rather that you used them as examplesromagia said: the signature, and the 'ajin and berserk' part Don't take signatures on an Internet forum too seriously mate. And I merely stated *my* opinion. Yes, to me, Ajin and Berserk visually look like garbage compared to the 2D shows I've watched so far. from a distance they seem quite the edgy shows |
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| Are we really heading towards it becoming the norm in anime? Unfortunately yes. And people should stop using the argument "cheaper". So what if it is cheaper? Cheap =/= good. Actually it indicates the complete opposite. lol |
romagia said: You implying that Ajin and Berserk aren't trash? o__oRedaJaNai said: the signature, and the 'ajin and berserk' partI can't possibly phantom how you got the idea that I was a 'edgelord' but I'm not. Thanks for your input otherwise. |
Klad said: no,i haven't even watched them...romagia said: You implying that Ajin and Berserk aren't trash? o__othe signature, and the 'ajin and berserk' part just that they are the edgiest 3d shows to give as examples |
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| Since it's cheaper and anime is all about cost-cutting, I'm afraid we'll be seeing it more and more. I personally thought that while Ajin could've been much better, its CG wasn't that bad. Sure, I would've preferred 2D but it was watchable. Berserk's looks absolutely terrible in both the rendering and the movement. I hope that it improves as it goes on, as Ajin's did, but the trailer for episode 2 doesn't give me much hope. |
romagia said: Then how does that make the OP an edgelord... He just pointed out the obvious. nothing edgy hereKlad said: no,i haven't even watched them...You implying that Ajin and Berserk aren't trash? o__o just that they are the edgiest 3d shows to give as examples |
| Is it really the future? I don't see it THAT much... |
| Anime is an artform and is considered such in Japan by the animators who put their blood sweat and tears into the creation of their work. So while CGI is cheaper and more efficent to make it will never replace the classic feel of anime so while I think it will become more common I dont think it'll ever be the "norm". |
Klad said: giving edgy shows as example -> edgelordromagia said: Then how does that make the OP an edgelord... He just pointed out the obvious. nothing edgy hereno,i haven't even watched them... just that they are the edgiest 3d shows to give as examples |
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| i sure hope not, full CGI anime look awful |
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Klad said: romagia said: You implying that Ajin and Berserk aren't trash? o__othe signature, and the 'ajin and berserk' part The last response from romagia (above) made me confused about the point he was trying to make. For the record I like the Berserk manga and I dropped the Ajin manga. When it comes to ANIME tho, I think that both Berserk and Ajin look like garbage. |
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romagia said: I want to borrow your logic to see how far I go in lifeKlad said: giving edgy shows as example -> edgelordThen how does that make the OP an edgelord... He just pointed out the obvious. nothing edgy here |
Klad said: Are we really heading towards it becoming the norm in anime? Unfortunately yes. And people should stop using the argument "cheaper". So what if it is cheaper? Cheap =/= good. Actually it indicates the complete opposite. lol Well can't argue that. I think that the point people are trying to highlight when they say CGI is cheaper is that it's obviously more profitable for studios. |
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Klad said: reaching 8.5k shitposts on MyAnimeList since winter 2013romagia said: I want to borrow your logic to see how far I go in lifegiving edgy shows as example -> edgelord pretty far i say |
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| Hopefully not, I really can't get used to CGI, true it's cheaper, they did for Berserk 2016 bcz the budget was low, I'm only gonna keep watching it bcz it's Berserk I waited for it for too long but the CGI still is my nightmare. |
Klad said: romagia said: I want to borrow your logic to see how far I go in lifegiving edgy shows as example -> edgelord Klad said: romagia said: I want to borrow your logic to see how far I go in lifegiving edgy shows as example -> edgelord @romagia... Are you retarded? I merely gave Ajin and Berserk as examples because, well, those are the only CGI shows I've stumbled upon. So yeah, I'm not an 'edgelord'. |
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| The problem is not CGI. The problem is people who don't know what the fuck they're doing using CGI and making stuff that looks as good as games on the PS2. We need more Bubuki Buranki, we need less Berserk. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
| CGI may one day replace anime, but it doesn't really matter so long as it is high-quality. Ajin was crap, but Sidonia was pretty top-tier. And tbh, the same can be said for traditional anime, a la good old DEEN. |
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RedaJaNai said: rude tbhKlad said: I want to borrow your logic to see how far I go in life Klad said: I want to borrow your logic to see how far I go in life @romagia... Are you retarded? I merely gave Ajin and Berserk as examples because, well, those are the only CGI shows I've stumbled upon. So yeah, I'm not an 'edgelord'. and which cgi shows is an edgelord most likey to stumble upon? |
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cartoonartist said: Try sidonia - it's not that bad when it comes to cgi. You may change your opinion afterwards. Exactly, Sidonia has some really nice CGI in it especially towards middle of first season and throughout 2nd season. Some of those scenes are really breathtaking during the battles :). It just depends on how it is used and from what I have read the frame rates. Also how it is animated in general seems to have a huge difference on the outcome (use of more in-between frames so it doesn't look choppy and robotic, but to look more fluid). @OP Quit being such an edge-kun... just kidding, just wanted to jump on the bandwagon. I don't think you are an edgelord mate, since those are the first 2 titles that come to mind as they are most recent I have watched along with Sidonia no Kishi (all three shows do have edginess to them, but I doubt that makes you an edgelord just because you have seen them). Kind of stupid logic if you ask me guys... |
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| Apparently some of the posts got deleted; maybe a mod got his panties in a bunch, I don't know. Anyway thanks to everyone who contributed on the actual topic. Obviously some shows like Sidonia look better than shows like Berserk 2016 and I think that some of you are right when saying that CGI done well isn't THAT bad. Still, I'd rather watch a 2D show over a CGI show (even if the CGI is done really well), all day. |
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| the day all anime become CGI is the day i will stop watching anime |
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| CGI is extremely useful for things that are hard to animate by hand such as vehicles, dance scenes, and battle scenes. CGI is getting to the point at which you can't really tell the difference between it and the hand animated portions. I believe CGI should be used as a tool rather than an animation style since it makes animation quicker and cheaper but just like autotune and makeup it looks like shit if you use too much. |
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Arzogan said: Yeah I watched the first 10 minutes of berserk 2016 and dropped it immediately everyone looks so dead and stiff.I'm fine with ajin but berserk (2016) has terrible animation imo.. I still prefer 2D xD |
| I don't think that anime, at least in the near future, will be full-blown CGI like KoS, Ajin, and AoBS. I think what we will see is every anime having CGI backgrounds. CGI can only go so far in a medium like Anime. We need fast and reliable animation that looks good. If anime studios had the time and budget of Pixar films we would see a universal switch to CGI anime. Tl;dr: Anime won't make the full switch to CGI in the near future. |
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| Anime studios in Japan are reluctant to turn anime into a CGI fest like disney did. Japan is a country of traditions, so that's not surprising. CGI is usually just used as a way to stay economical in these times of depression. If the economy gets better again and people start spending more on anime, we'll see less CGI again. CGI is loathed as something that takes out all the personality that the animators would have put into the series. It has no soul and is trated as such by Japanese studios |
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romagia said: There are about 2 main studios that did most of the full 3d cg seasonal anime at the moment - Sanzigen (Bubuki Buranki, Arpeggio), and Polygon Pictures (Knights of Sidonia, Ronja, Ajin). Sanzigen is way better than Polygon, but they are less known since they don't make anime to appeal to edgelords like op. There are also some more minor examples, like Etotama, and gdgd fairies, but these aren't 22 minutes shows, or 100% 3d. Wait, if Sanzigen don't make anime to appeal to edgelords, why'd they make Bubuki Buranki? |
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yhunata said: for the unknowing edgelord i don't think it looks very appealingromagia said: There are about 2 main studios that did most of the full 3d cg seasonal anime at the moment - Sanzigen (Bubuki Buranki, Arpeggio), and Polygon Pictures (Knights of Sidonia, Ronja, Ajin). Sanzigen is way better than Polygon, but they are less known since they don't make anime to appeal to edgelords like op. There are also some more minor examples, like Etotama, and gdgd fairies, but these aren't 22 minutes shows, or 100% 3d. Wait, if Sanzigen don't make anime to appeal to edgelords, why'd they make Bubuki Buranki? it has mecha and colorful haired girls and looks pretty kiddy |
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j0x said: yhunata said: Wait, if Sanzigen don't make anime to appeal to edgelords, why'd they make Bubuki Buranki? whats your definition of edgelord? Bubuki Buranki is no way an edgelord from what i know Just from the OP, every single character gets a rape face. Every. Single. One of them (except for the MC because he's a pussy, apparently). Even the token cute and docile girl gets one. There is something else from the episodes themselves, but I can't remember exactly what. In fact, the edge was why I dropped the damn thing. A shame too, I quite liked the character designs. |
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