Immahnoob said: These are absolutely perfect and unbiased choices. Whoever made it...bravo.destructo22 said: You do know I'm talking about you, right?Pretty much a good portion of this thread to be honest lol. At any rate, I dunno why that post applied to me. People are up and arms about censorship and mad and hurt about getting rid of important mechanics when it's not true at all. |
destructo22 said: This is literally "I don't like this data that proves me wrong :( ".These are absolutely perfect and unbiased choices. Whoever made it...bravo. At any rate, I dunno why that post applied to me. People are up and arms about censorship and mad and hurt about getting rid of important mechanics when it's not true at all. Get over yourself. |
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Immahnoob said: What fuckin data am I supposed to gather from this poll? That 42% of MAL people are weird and like petting and stroking 2D models? lmaodestructo22 said: This is literally "I don't like this data that proves me wrong :( ".These are absolutely perfect and unbiased choices. Whoever made it...bravo. At any rate, I dunno why that post applied to me. People are up and arms about censorship and mad and hurt about getting rid of important mechanics when it's not true at all. Get over yourself. |
| I would've considered getting this game otherwise, but censoring a completely innocuous extra feature and no dual audio? I'll pass. |
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Immahnoob said: Manjuu said: No, it's not possible for now.A bit curious about all the hacking stuff, is it still impossible to put CFW on OFW 10.4 without a hardmod? Damn, I wanted to quit this cycle of providing wasted money to Nintendo. Guess I'll just settle for a flashcard sometime soon. |
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destructo22 said: Immahnoob said: What fuckin data am I supposed to gather from this poll? That 42% of MAL people are weird and like petting and stroking 2D models? lmaoThis is literally "I don't like this data that proves me wrong :( ". Get over yourself. If you think there are 1455 people browsing this topic just waiting to pounce on a poll, you're pretty misguided. |
| I think some of you don't realize that games are censored in every country, not just the USA. Australia outright bans some games due to their violence.. same thing with Germany. It's rare in Japan, but they went as far as censoring The Last of Us, Fallout 3, Gears of War and a couple others. |
| Mannn that was a feature i was looking forward to :( |
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FilthyFatso said: Just because it happens everywhere doesn't mean we should tolerate it.I think some of you don't realize that games are censored in every country, not just the USA. Australia outright bans some games due to their violence.. same thing with Germany. It's rare in Japan, but they went as far as censoring The Last of Us, Fallout 3, Gears of War and a couple others. |
PeenusWeenusCaimFeb 6, 2016 1:03 AM
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Thrashinuva said: Looking at this poll again, I honestly don't know the source of people that voted, so I'll take that back. It might not necessarily be everyone from MAL that interacted with this poll, but my question still stands. How am I supposed to know? What group of people is this data supposed to represent? When was the poll opened and closed? Where was this poll posted? Why are these choices so biased? These are just arbitrary numbers to me without any type of credible meaning in the grand scheme of things. Posting this poll to begin with doesn't help any argument whatsoever.destructo22 said: What fuckin data am I supposed to gather from this poll? That 42% of MAL people are weird and like petting and stroking 2D models? lmao If you think there are 1455 people browsing this topic just waiting to pounce on a poll, you're pretty misguided. |
destructo22 said: You mean, that about 88% of fans are against it being removed.Immahnoob said: What fuckin data am I supposed to gather from this poll? That 42% of MAL people are weird and like petting and stroking 2D models? lmaoThis is literally "I don't like this data that proves me wrong :( ". Get over yourself. That makes you a minority, a misguided one too. FilthyFatso said: As someone else said, just because it happens often, it doesn't mean it's right.I think some of you don't realize that games are censored in every country, not just the USA. Australia outright bans some games due to their violence.. same thing with Germany. It's rare in Japan, but they went as far as censoring The Last of Us, Fallout 3, Gears of War and a couple others. We're against censorship anywhere in fiction. |
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Immahnoob said: destructo22 said: You mean, that about 88% of fans are against it being removed.What fuckin data am I supposed to gather from this poll? That 42% of MAL people are weird and like petting and stroking 2D models? lmao That makes you a minority, a misguided one too. You are delusional if you think that a poll of 1500 people in the internet is an actual representation of the potential buyers of the game. Also you don't even know how to read your own poll. |
Vanisher said: Sorry, statistics disagree, if I give Fates 1.4m copies sold, I have a margin of error of 3%.Immahnoob said: You mean, that about 88% of fans are against it being removed. That makes you a minority, a misguided one too. You are delusional if you think that a poll of 1500 people in the internet is an actual representation of the potential buyers of the game. Also you don't even know how to read your own poll. 1.5k people are a great sample, you just don't like being proven wrong. I mean, you have yet to explain how my favorites factor in my choice of not buying the game/being against the censorship in the game and you still haven't backed up your claims about "quality". So I guess you've given up on those, admitting defeat. Really, there's no need to enter another argument and get destroyed, it won't do you any good. And no, I've read the poll just fine, as long as they're not part of the 12%, it's all that matters after all, since the "I don't have a strong opinion" isn't necessarily "I am against censorship" but it does not exclude it. |
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Immahnoob said: Vanisher said: Sorry, statistics disagree, if I give Fates 1.4m copies sold, I have a margin of error of 3%.You are delusional if you think that a poll of 1500 people in the internet is an actual representation of the potential buyers of the game. Also you don't even know how to read your own poll. 1.5k people are a great sample, you just don't like being proven wrong. I mean, you have yet to explain how my favorites factor in my choice of not buying the game/being against the censorship in the game and you still haven't backed up your claims about "quality". So I guess you've given up on those, admitting defeat. Really, there's no need to enter another argument and get destroyed, it won't do you any good. And no, I've read the poll just fine, as long as they're not part of the 12%, it's all that matters after all, since the "I don't have a strong opinion" isn't necessarily "I am against censorship" but it does not exclude it. Oh you didn't understand? I thought I was clear. Your taste is shit dude, you are the target demographic for this shitty features. |
Vanisher said: Prove the bolded parts.Immahnoob said: Sorry, statistics disagree, if I give Fates 1.4m copies sold, I have a margin of error of 3%. 1.5k people are a great sample, you just don't like being proven wrong. I mean, you have yet to explain how my favorites factor in my choice of not buying the game/being against the censorship in the game and you still haven't backed up your claims about "quality". So I guess you've given up on those, admitting defeat. Really, there's no need to enter another argument and get destroyed, it won't do you any good. And no, I've read the poll just fine, as long as they're not part of the 12%, it's all that matters after all, since the "I don't have a strong opinion" isn't necessarily "I am against censorship" but it does not exclude it. Oh you didn't understand? I thought I was clear. Your taste is shit dude, you are the target demographic for this shitty features. |
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| Mods please shut this thread down...its getting worse and worse by the hour. |
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Immahnoob said: Right. I'm a a minority according to a meaningless poll that could've come from anywhere. It doesn't even address the original point of my saying that barely any content, that we know of, was cut out from the Japanese version.destructo22 said: You mean, that about 88% of fans are against it being removed.What fuckin data am I supposed to gather from this poll? That 42% of MAL people are weird and like petting and stroking 2D models? lmao That makes you a minority, a misguided one too. |
destructo22 said: Who cares about your original point? The problem isn't how much content was cut, the idea that it was cut that matters. Immahnoob said: Right. I'm a a minority according to a meaningless poll that could've come from anywhere. It doesn't even address the original point of my saying that barely any content, that we know of, was cut out from the Japanese version.You mean, that about 88% of fans are against it being removed. That makes you a minority, a misguided one too. And I don't give one slight fuck if you don't like my data, this has went through NeoFAG, Fire Emblem subreddit, Serenes Forest forum (another Fire Emblem community) and the Gamergate hubs. And 3 of those tend to have the most retarded pro-censorship fuckheads you can find, funnily enough, they weren't enough to sway the results in any way. |
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Immahnoob said: You're the one that quoted me on it to begin with. I wasn't talking about this stupid controversy of censorship and localization. I'm talking about the amount of alleged content Spooks is talking about.destructo22 said: Who cares about your original point? The problem isn't how much content was cut, the idea that it was cut that matters. Right. I'm a a minority according to a meaningless poll that could've come from anywhere. It doesn't even address the original point of my saying that barely any content, that we know of, was cut out from the Japanese version. And I don't give one slight fuck if you don't like my data, this has went through NeoFAG, Fire Emblem subreddit, Serenes Forest forum (another Fire Emblem community) and the Gamergate hubs. |
destructo22 said: Stupid controversy? Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it stupid. And @Spooks is right, they'll butcher the game.Immahnoob said: You're the one that quoted me on it to begin with. I wasn't talking about this stupid controversy of censorship and localization. I'm talking about the amount of alleged content Spooks is talking about.Who cares about your original point? The problem isn't how much content was cut, the idea that it was cut that matters. And I don't give one slight fuck if you don't like my data, this has went through NeoFAG, Fire Emblem subreddit, Serenes Forest forum (another Fire Emblem community) and the Gamergate hubs. |
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Immahnoob said: Oh, I understand it fine. And it IS stupid. Anyone that knows Nintendo and has a any slight understanding of localizing and the Western game market should have known that petting mechanic would've never been in the English release. No way in hell. destructo22 said: Stupid controversy? Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it stupid. And @Spooks is right, they'll butcher the game.You're the one that quoted me on it to begin with. I wasn't talking about this stupid controversy of censorship and localization. I'm talking about the amount of alleged content Spooks is talking about. And please enlighten me on how they'll butcher the game. You're just riding this train like everyone else. If Nintendo really does alter the game to the point that it affects gameplay, then that's a problem. Small shit like this....not even worth arguing about. |
destructo22Feb 6, 2016 10:08 AM
| I'm not sure if some of you guys are just dense or trolling? Regardless of how "shit taste" you think some of these features are, or how they don't affect the gameplay or whatever excuse. Censoring it because you don't like it and then selling the game for the same exact price is bullshit. I'm not going to speak for anyone else on this thread but as I've said several times before I'm only pissed off at the fact that they keep censoring these games and selling them at full price. We should be getting the same exact game, period. If people get offended they can either not buy the game, or fuck off. If you guys become complacent and allow this kind of thing because they censored something you didn't care about and it was a "lol non-traversey." Then they will continue to do this kind of shit until we got back to how it was a couple of years ago. Where the main branch of Nintendo stopped localizing games because they felt the Western (specifically American) market wasn't worth it. |
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| When you get angry over the lack of breast sliders, skimpy clothing on a 12 year old girl, and a petting simulator... Ya might wanna rethink things. Censorship has been around before most of you were born. Either way, it makes zero sense to censor a niche game. Mostly fans of the fire emblem series will buy it. |
FilthyFatsoFeb 6, 2016 10:35 AM
destructo22 said: No, it's not. And LOL at you just making a statement against all known facts.Immahnoob said: Oh, I understand it fine. And it IS stupid. Anyone that knows Nintendo and has a any slight understanding of localizing and the Western game market should have known that petting mechanic would've never been in the English release. No way in hell. Stupid controversy? Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it stupid. And @Spooks is right, they'll butcher the game. And please enlighten me on how they'll butcher the game. You're just riding this train like everyone else. If Nintendo really does alter the game to the point that it affects gameplay, then that's a problem. Small shit like this....not even worth arguing about. No, if you'd know anything of Treehouse AND Marketing, you'd know that this is a BAD CHOICE. They're losing more customers because of this. How? Soleil's conversation will change, they already started altering ages on characters, they've took out the petting minigame, and knowing Treehouse, this isn't the last thing they'll do. Censorship IS NEVER good, and it's always worth arguing against censorship. You just like being a Nintendo apologist. FilthyFatso said: It doesn't matter how much it was around, it shouldn't be anymore, especially when you get to win out of supporting freedom of expression.When you get angry over the lack of breast sliders, skimpy clothing on a 12 year old girl, and a petting simulator... Ya might wanna rethink things. Censorship has been around before most of you were born. Either way, it makes zero sense to censor a niche game. Mostly fans of the fire emblem series will buy it. And yes, it makes zero sense that they censored this game, you're right. |
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| Censorship is needed in most cases. There are numerous studies that have been published by specialists in the mental health field that have shown video game violence and sexual themes increase the odds of young adolescents becoming psychopaths, pedophiles and rapists. It can also lead to obesity, depression, and homophobia. |
FilthyFatso said: Censorship is needed in most cases. There are numerous studies that have been published by specialists in the mental health field that have shown video game violence and sexual themes increase the odds of young adolescents becoming psychopaths, pedophiles and rapists. It can also lead to obesity, depression, and homophobia. Uh... I'm usually against the people that whine about irrelevant censorship, but this is something else... holy shit. |
FilthyFatso said: Okay, now it's obvious you're just trolling. Get out of my thread.Censorship is needed in most cases. There are numerous studies that have been published by specialists in the mental health field that have shown video game violence and sexual themes increase the odds of young adolescents becoming psychopaths, pedophiles and rapists. It can also lead to obesity, depression, and homophobia. |
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TR-8RCaim said: FilthyFatso said: Okay, now it's obvious you're just trolling. Get out of my thread.Censorship is needed in most cases. There are numerous studies that have been published by specialists in the mental health field that have shown video game violence and sexual themes increase the odds of young adolescents becoming psychopaths, pedophiles and rapists. It can also lead to obesity, depression, and homophobia. I think you should write Nintendo a very strongly worded letter about the importance of petting your characters. |
FilthyFatso said: I think you should try growing up a little.TR-8RCaim said: Okay, now it's obvious you're just trolling. Get out of my thread. I think you should write Nintendo a very strongly worded letter about the importance of petting your characters. |
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TR-8RCaim said: FilthyFatso said: I think you should try growing up a little.I think you should write Nintendo a very strongly worded letter about the importance of petting your characters. I think you should stop being so sensitive. I'm afraid you might cry soon. |
FilthyFatso said: TR-8RCaim said: I think you should try growing up a little. I think you should stop being so sensitive. I'm afraid you might cry soon. I think you're the sensitive one, trolling aside, i suppose you cant even wipe your own ass because holy shit... you cant even perform a basic human function which is distinguishing between reality and fiction. Numerous Studies? If i even cared to justify your shitty argument, i'm sure i could find just as many "studies" that prove the opposite. Sure, some kids are pretty impressionable, but most of them aren't completely retarded and if there is any kind of problem, it's likely not the kids fault, rather the parents for their lack of interest in their kids hobbies. |
FontSize72LOL said: I think you're the sensitive one, trolling aside, i suppose you cant even wipe your own ass because holy shit... you cant even perform a basic human function which is distinguishing between reality and fiction. Numerous Studies? If i even cared to justify your shitty argument, i'm sure i could find just as many "studies" that prove the opposite. Sure, some kids are pretty impressionable, but most of them aren't completely retarded and if there is any kind of problem, it's likely not the kids fault, rather the parents for their lack of interest in their kids hobbies. You almost make it too easy. |
FilthyFatso said: FontSize72LOL said: I think you're the sensitive one, trolling aside, i suppose you cant even wipe your own ass because holy shit... you cant even perform a basic human function which is distinguishing between reality and fiction. Numerous Studies? If i even cared to justify your shitty argument, i'm sure i could find just as many "studies" that prove the opposite. Sure, some kids are pretty impressionable, but most of them aren't completely retarded and if there is any kind of problem, it's likely not the kids fault, rather the parents for their lack of interest in their kids hobbies. You almost make it too easy. Nice bait account, breh. Why don't you post on your main ;) |
Immahnoob said: destructo22 said: No, it's not. And LOL at you just making a statement against all known facts.Oh, I understand it fine. And it IS stupid. Anyone that knows Nintendo and has a any slight understanding of localizing and the Western game market should have known that petting mechanic would've never been in the English release. No way in hell. And please enlighten me on how they'll butcher the game. You're just riding this train like everyone else. If Nintendo really does alter the game to the point that it affects gameplay, then that's a problem. Small shit like this....not even worth arguing about. No, if you'd know anything of Treehouse AND Marketing, you'd know that this is a BAD CHOICE. They're losing more customers because of this. How? Soleil's conversation will change, they already started altering ages on characters, they've took out the petting minigame, and knowing Treehouse, this isn't the last thing they'll do. Censorship IS NEVER good, and it's always worth arguing against censorship. You just like being a Nintendo apologist. Battlechili said: destructo22 said: I don't think anyone claimed that they were important mechanics, because whether or not they're important does not matter at all with regards to why the censorship is wrong.These are absolutely perfect and unbiased choices. Whoever made it...bravo. At any rate, I dunno why that post applied to me. People are up and arms about censorship and mad and hurt about getting rid of important mechanics when it's not true at all. I don't see the removal of the petting mechanic as censorship, but as part of the localization process. The petting mechanic, in my eyes, isn't offensive or disgusting enough to warrant its removal being a part of censorship. |
| I'm wondering what guide line or check list they use when censoring things. There is little transparency. A lot of it seems random. Although fictional, children are targeted the most. You'd be hard pressed to convice anyone of importance in the West that it's okay to depict children in sexually compromising positions. |
| It's pretty fucking ironic that someone with a Monogatari avatar is pro-censorship. If that series were a game, it would be facing the same butchering in this situation. |
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Just ignore the fucker and move on. It's the best solution for faggots that crave attention. |
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TR-8RCaim said: Just ignore the fucker and move on. It's the best solution for faggots that crave attention. Oh you're finally back. Are you done crying your eyes out now? Are you ready to put your big boy pants on Mr. Sensitive? |
Narmy said: It's pretty fucking ironic that someone with a Monogatari avatar is pro-censorship. If that series were a game, it would be facing the same butchering in this situation. Who said I was pro-censorship? Are you refering to what I wrote earlier when I was being obviously sarcastic? TR-Caim took it seriously and ran with it because he has the awareness of a kidney bean. Or the statements I made a few pages ago denouncing censorship and saying it sucked? |
FilthyFatsoFeb 6, 2016 7:58 PM
FilthyFatso said: Narmy said: It's pretty fucking ironic that someone with a Monogatari avatar is pro-censorship. If that series were a game, it would be facing the same butchering in this situation. Who said I was pro-censorship? Are you refering to what I wrote earlier when I was being obviously sarcastic? TR-Caim took it seriously and ran with it because he has the awareness of a kidney bean. Or the statements I made a few pages ago denouncing censorship and saying it sucked? Do you have a Monogatari avatar? pls learn to read |
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I think he just gave away his main account -_-. |
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| This is my main =) And I thought I read Matsutaro, so my mistake. |
| This thread is like Nichegamer all over again, better get out before i even say i'm getting the game... too late. |
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iamDTS said: This thread is like Nichegamer all over again, better get out before i even say i'm getting the game... too late. The majority of people here are probably getting it. But they need to QQ about it first. |
| In reality Nichegamer will never win or have the thing they want. The people who don't care outnumber those who want it. Of course I'm mad about it but after a few day of thinking about it, I don't care about anymore. If anything gamer should be getting on Nintendo and not at each other. I mean who did't see this coming after what they did to Fatal Frame. I just think Nintendo of America is trying to keep a image of being family friendly, Yes other game/company beside Nintendo sometime censored too but Nintendo of America tend to do it the most. |
zetsubousei_hero said: In reality Nichegamer will never win or have the thing they want. The people who don't care outnumber those who want it. Of course I'm mad about it but after a few day of thinking about it, I don't care about anymore. If anything gamer should be getting on Nintendo and not at each other. I mean who did't see this coming after what they did to Fatal Frame. I just think Nintendo of America is trying to keep a image of being family friendly, Yes other game/company beside Nintendo sometime censored too but Nintendo of America tend to do it the most. That's probably the most disheartening part of it all: The inevitability. That and how easily the community can be manipulated into turning on itself. |
 destructo22 said: No one gives a fuck what you see or not, it's censorship by definition. I don't think you understand how retarded your position is. You called it "localization", but how can you define it as such when there's literally no cultural reason for the removal? Hell, removals BY localization are censorship in every case, unless you can point out some that aren't.I don't see the removal of the petting mechanic as censorship, but as part of the localization process. The petting mechanic, in my eyes, isn't offensive or disgusting enough to warrant its removal being a part of censorship. Do we have no notion of head stroking? Is that what you're telling me? Oh, OH. I know! The cultural difference comes from people seeing the "petting minigame" as "creepy", "disgusting", etc, right? There you have it. All you need is either it to be "offensive", "objectionable", "immoral", etc for it to be "censorship". iamDTS said: Go on, support censorship, don't ask yourself why Nintendo censors even more content afterwards. This thread is like Nichegamer all over again, better get out before i even say i'm getting the game... too late. zetsubousei_hero said: And this is false. I can already tell you that the people that do care and want it, outnumber the people that don't want it.In reality Nichegamer will never win or have the thing they want. The people who don't care outnumber those who want it. Of course I'm mad about it but after a few day of thinking about it, I don't care about anymore. If anything gamer should be getting on Nintendo and not at each other. I mean who did't see this coming after what they did to Fatal Frame. I just think Nintendo of America is trying to keep a image of being family friendly, Yes other game/company beside Nintendo sometime censored too but Nintendo of America tend to do it the most. It doesn't matter what the people that don't care think, after all. They don't care, so that means the optional content can be in or out for them. |
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 Oh, and thank god we have this. We will know what Treehouse is doing. |
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Immahnoob said: That's exactly what the reason is. Name me games in the West that have Nintendo involved that would have the mechanic of petting 2D human characters. You probably won't be able to name a lot because that kind of thing barely has an existence overseas. And they're rare because it's not part of the Western game culture, especially North America. So culturally, there's a huge difference between Japan, and in this instance, North America.No one gives a fuck what you see or not, it's censorship by definition. I don't think you understand how retarded your position is. You called it "localization", but how can you define it as such when there's literally no cultural reason for the removal? Hell, removals BY localization are censorship in every case, unless you can point out some that aren't. Do we have no notion of head stroking? Is that what you're telling me? Oh, OH. I know! The cultural difference comes from people seeing the "petting minigame" as "creepy", "disgusting", etc, right? There you have it. All you need is either it to be "offensive", "objectionable", "immoral", etc for it to be "censorship". |
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