| So its not a secret that this series has plot holes, or lack of cohesion. But how many? Let's try to count them, list anything that doesn't make sense, or seem ridiculous to you: 1. After 500 years, Humans seems to know NOTHING about the conditions of Mars before landing. Especially with us having already THREE Satellites orbiting Mars at this very moment! I would imagine people should be able to see EVERYTHING on Mars easily, already(especially since the Cockroaches are not shown underground) 2. After 500 years, geopolitical relations were relative unchanged from today. "Gran Mexico" is still ruled by the Drug Lords in the North. Russia still has "Born communists". Adolf is the name of the German character(he was even referred to just the "German") 3. After 500 years, dressing is relatively the same. The Mexican characters pretty much dressed in today's clothes in the series, and all act like stereotypical Japanese Anime teenagers. 4. After 500 years, where it's stated in the series "If there's one thing Earth doesn't need, it's more humans", the first mission ONLY had 7 or so people to EXTERMINATE a population that's on the scale of a planet! And the technology is only advanced to the point of being slightly better than today's standards, to thing we should have found a way to fly a SPACESHIP. The same population also has a girl who thinks "Cockroaches are gross", why did she sign up for the mission, then!? 5. After 500 years, the interior of the homes still look the same, steel fences are still used, and life has pretty much unchanged. |
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Estherella said: I am going reread this manga(Shudders) to see what else is wrong with it. Because when I first started, it was actually pretty cool... And I was shocked kinda.LOLED! Can you imagine this series having an anime? I dunno what the rest of the world would think of it. Except nothing good came from it. ZetaZaku said: 6. After 500 years, the Russian guy still sang the Lion King theme song. Where?? |
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GodlyKyon said: Estherella said: I am going reread this manga(Shudders) to see what else is wrong with it. Because when I first started, it was actually pretty cool... And I was shocked kinda.LOLED! Can you imagine this series having an anime? I dunno what the rest of the world would think of it. Except nothing good came from it. ZetaZaku said: 6. After 500 years, the Russian guy still sang the Lion King theme song. Where?? Well the selling point of the series is pointless death and maybe the survival theme with the whole cockroach thing. The stereotypes in it are so stereotypical that it's funny on so many levels xD seriously, i don't know if anyone can bear the series because it has already offended some people X'D....that whole cockroach evolution thingie |
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Estherella said: GodlyKyon said: Estherella said: I am going reread this manga(Shudders) to see what else is wrong with it. Because when I first started, it was actually pretty cool... And I was shocked kinda.LOLED! Can you imagine this series having an anime? I dunno what the rest of the world would think of it. Except nothing good came from it. ZetaZaku said: 6. After 500 years, the Russian guy still sang the Lion King theme song. Where?? Well the selling point of the series is pointless death and maybe the survival theme with the whole cockroach thing. The stereotypes in it are so stereotypical that it's funny on so many levels xD seriously, i don't know if anyone can bear the series because it has already offended some people X'D....that whole cockroach evolution thingie 6. After 600 years(sorry about the number in the OP, it really is closer to 600), The Uniform of the Colleges/High Schools are still the same in Japanese Schools as most of the modern day "Old" Uniforms. 7. After 600 years, people are still able to threaten others with pregnancy that didn't happen. Even now there are technology that can EASILY disproven false accusations, shouldn't you be able to I dunno, tell the difference faster now? 8. After 600 years, Japan not having Nuclear weapons is still a big deal, and the UN still matters(doesn't suggest to be more or less effective than today's UN). Shouldn't the world in the future have FAR more devastating powers by that point? 9. The author wants us to believe the power of the Insects scale up to human sizes. Such as Cockroaches to 2 meter tall humanoid African tribesmen. This is completely contradictory to science. Part of the reason why animals like that were able to fly, jump so high would be because of their sizes. Having an insect jump 10 times it's height is completely different to the amount force that needs to overcame compared to a human. But the author tries to explain everything with science and force us to swallow it down 11. The author quotes "Favorable variations tends to be perserved" from Darwin. But provides NOTHING that supports that for the Cockroaches to expand to what? 200 times their size is NECESSARY or favorable. He says radiation and cold temperature to be the reason(-82 F/C)... Do I even need to explain how dumb this is? In fact, nothing in the series up to chapter 40-something even suggests that the evolutions might be, ya know, engineered by humans? Something that is far more believable. The cockroaches TODAY are believed to be able to survive nuclear fallout, and there are NO other organisms on mars! And that's all I remember from Chp 1-3, I probably missed a ton |
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| All i could say is if you dont have science knowledge, it is easy to stomach it down but if u do, u'll probably have hard time accepting it. But pretty much, those things are not feasible in real life and has zero chance of it ever happening. If anything that i'm bothered with is the fact that the buildings, infrastructure and technology didn't seemed to advance all that much in that 500 years. The only thing that stays true is the information about insects coz i researched on them. That whole transformation with animals thing really reminded me of one of those japanaese superheroes show that i used to watch when i was young. Man, you must hate the series pretty much to paid so much attention to the details o-0 |
EstherellaSep 28, 2013 10:50 PM
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Estherella said: All i could say is if you dont have science knowledge, it is easy to stomach it down but if u do, u'll probably have hard time accepting it. But pretty much, those things are not feasible in real life and has zero chance of it ever happening. If anything that i'm bothered with is the fact that the buildings, infrastructure and technology didn't seemed to advance all that much in that 500 years. The only thing that stays true is the information about insects coz i researched on them. That whole transformation with animals thing really reminded me of one of those japanaese superheroes show that i used to watch when i was young. Man, you must hate the series pretty much to paid so much attention to the details o-0 I hate how this series is popular. And I just flipped through chapter 1-3 to see what's wrong, and sure enough... There were If the series didn't try to use Science, it would've been infinitely better. The tipping point was when I noticed that the author used the wrong Chinese word, and it made me realize "wow, this guy is pretty ignorant or he is playing his readers for dumbasses" But yeah, the whole cockroaches evolve in 500 years and we don't notice it is fucking stupid. The clothing, infrastructure, and everything else that would've underwent drastic changes did not change is the biggest problem. I mean, the author seriously expects us to believe the High School uniform and society structure of go to college = success will be the same? Even the countries like Gran Mexico changed, and the Rome Federation is formed. seriously... It would've made sense if it was set in present-day. But anyhow, it's a bad series for people with critical mind, like me. |
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GodlyKyon said: Estherella said: All i could say is if you dont have science knowledge, it is easy to stomach it down but if u do, u'll probably have hard time accepting it. But pretty much, those things are not feasible in real life and has zero chance of it ever happening. If anything that i'm bothered with is the fact that the buildings, infrastructure and technology didn't seemed to advance all that much in that 500 years. The only thing that stays true is the information about insects coz i researched on them. That whole transformation with animals thing really reminded me of one of those japanaese superheroes show that i used to watch when i was young. Man, you must hate the series pretty much to paid so much attention to the details o-0 I hate how this series is popular. And I just flipped through chapter 1-3 to see what's wrong, and sure enough... There were If the series didn't try to use Science, it would've been infinitely better. The tipping point was when I noticed that the author used the wrong Chinese word, and it made me realize "wow, this guy is pretty ignorant or he is playing his readers for dumbasses" But yeah, the whole cockroaches evolve in 500 years and we don't notice it is fucking stupid. The clothing, infrastructure, and everything else that would've underwent drastic changes did not change is the biggest problem. I mean, the author seriously expects us to believe the High School uniform and society structure of go to college = success will be the same? Even the countries like Gran Mexico changed, and the Rome Federation is formed. seriously... It would've made sense if it was set in present-day. But anyhow, it's a bad series for people with critical mind, like me. Popularity? You meant in japan? Terra Formars is not known to anyone oversea at all and i don't see it ever becoming a bit hit either simply coz of you know OBVIOUS reasons. There's also that japanese favouritism in the manga too. <.>... |
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Estherella said: GodlyKyon said: Estherella said: All i could say is if you dont have science knowledge, it is easy to stomach it down but if u do, u'll probably have hard time accepting it. But pretty much, those things are not feasible in real life and has zero chance of it ever happening. If anything that i'm bothered with is the fact that the buildings, infrastructure and technology didn't seemed to advance all that much in that 500 years. The only thing that stays true is the information about insects coz i researched on them. That whole transformation with animals thing really reminded me of one of those japanaese superheroes show that i used to watch when i was young. Man, you must hate the series pretty much to paid so much attention to the details o-0 I hate how this series is popular. And I just flipped through chapter 1-3 to see what's wrong, and sure enough... There were If the series didn't try to use Science, it would've been infinitely better. The tipping point was when I noticed that the author used the wrong Chinese word, and it made me realize "wow, this guy is pretty ignorant or he is playing his readers for dumbasses" But yeah, the whole cockroaches evolve in 500 years and we don't notice it is fucking stupid. The clothing, infrastructure, and everything else that would've underwent drastic changes did not change is the biggest problem. I mean, the author seriously expects us to believe the High School uniform and society structure of go to college = success will be the same? Even the countries like Gran Mexico changed, and the Rome Federation is formed. seriously... It would've made sense if it was set in present-day. But anyhow, it's a bad series for people with critical mind, like me. Popularity? You meant in japan? Terra Formars is not known to anyone oversea at all and i don't see it ever becoming a bit hit either simply coz of you know OBVIOUS reasons. There's also that japanese favouritism in the manga too. <.>... YES in Japan. You don't see the sales of this thing? Last time I saw it, it was selling for 300-400k copies each volume when the relative successful series sell for 100k. This manga is BEYOND popular. 12. Japan has a disproportional amount of representation in the Astronauts. Considering it's CURRENT declining fertility rates, it should have FAR less representation. 13. U-NASA is persumed to be the only operating agency that does space exploration. The author clearly has not read Uchuu Kyoudai and that even JAXA has ambitions of exploring space. More over, it assumes an agency that is more than 500 years old would pretty much operate in the same manner. 14. "I am still an American!" Author assumes just by being American a character will act in a certain way. This is the biggest problem with him killing off the characters, they're simply too generic for me to give 2 shits about them. And the author obviously have favorites that he won't kill off like Michelle Davis, the captain, Hiramazu, most of the Japanese cast. Author definitely do not like Chinese, China's still not important? But overall, all the complaints I have can be summed up in 5: 1. Infrastructure - why is it the same as today's? Why are buildings the same as today's or worse? Why are there still wires? 2. Social relations - why is it the same as today's? Gran Mexico is dominated by Drug Cartels(still?). Japanese has universities that you need to be good in to get in government etc. Why hasn't Digital education taken off? Why are the clothes the same? 3. Geo-politics - Why are some countries the same still, and some barely changed in terms of country's name such as the Roman Federation, but next to no change culturally? Why are there no major African countries besides South Africa?(or is Mars Africa?) 4. Evolution - Why does the author try to info dump the readers in attempt to impress them, but avoid making sense of the fundamentals? Why do animals evolve so fast, especially when there's no need for them to and there isn't even a hint of doubt on how they evolved in the first palce? All these concerns make me doubt whether the author has ever even stepped outside of his/her region. EDIT: OH, also, 15. After 600 years, Female Genital Mutilation is still being practiced. What's more, if the author is trying to parallel the Universe to our timeline then he is failing to acknowledge that South Africa does NOT practice FGM, in the only country from Africa |
GodlyKyonOct 15, 2013 5:23 PM
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JOHJhann said: Maybe a lot of it does not make sense, but mix of genre is very good and well written. Well written in the sense of what? Why is it a good mix of genres? All j see is science fiction and battle... Which isn't exactly creative. The series has no actually research or depth behind, meaning its fluff and lacks awareness of the series's inherent disbelief. Whatgood writing.what good mix of genres? |
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| To be honest, i really just enjoy it for the bug triva/knowledge (i find it rather fascinating since i'm not a fan of bugs irl) and the art work is pretty good in my opinion. I mean yea plot holes exist everywhere but to nit pick over stuff like "People wear the same clothes 600 years in the future" is a little bit much. |
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Pesti13nce said: To be honest, i really just enjoy it for the bug triva/knowledge (i find it rather fascinating since i'm not a fan of bugs irl) and the art work is pretty good in my opinion. I mean yea plot holes exist everywhere but to nit pick over stuff like "People wear the same clothes 600 years in the future" is a little bit much. That is just one of the MANY things that shows lack of creativity on the author's side while he acts like this is a SCIENTIFIC series. Drug Cartels ruling "Gran Mexico" that much later? Weapons having virtually no advancement? The hubs, the location, the comparisons to modern... Look, all those are factors leading to it being a bad series. It's uniqueness isnt' even well done and it shouldn't pretend to be something that it is not. |
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| Haha, rejoice everyone cause now you have a reason to continue this discussion since the anime adaptation is on the way. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-02-07/terraformars.tv-domain-registered-before-important-announcement Estherella said: LOLED! Can you imagine this series having an anime? I dunno what the rest of the world would think of it. Now we can see what most people think about it :P But I bet it'll most likely be the same reaction as Shingeki no Kyojin. |
EasyGo-er said: Haha, rejoice everyone cause now you have a reason to continue this discussion since the anime adaptation is on the way. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-02-07/terraformars.tv-domain-registered-before-important-announcement Estherella said: LOLED! Can you imagine this series having an anime? I dunno what the rest of the world would think of it. Now we can see what most people think about it :P But I bet it'll most likely be the same reaction as Shingeki no Kyojin. I highly doubt it... SnK actually had a decent story with some solid mechanism behind it. This series barely has any special girls in it, mostly just generic(actually, count the whole cast it) But still, this series is just SHIT |
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GodlyKyon said: EasyGo-er said: Haha, rejoice everyone cause now you have a reason to continue this discussion since the anime adaptation is on the way. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-02-07/terraformars.tv-domain-registered-before-important-announcement Estherella said: LOLED! Can you imagine this series having an anime? I dunno what the rest of the world would think of it. Now we can see what most people think about it :P But I bet it'll most likely be the same reaction as Shingeki no Kyojin. I highly doubt it... SnK actually had a decent story with some solid mechanism behind it. This series barely has any special girls in it, mostly just generic(actually, count the whole cast it) But still, this series is just SHIT What mechanism, 3DMG? See them threads about it. Anyway, you =/= the world. Trust me, haha. You're talking about this SHIT series that was voted as No.1 manga for boys in 2012 which will be adapted to a media that revolves around those people that vote for this SHIT. What do you expect? |
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EasyGo-er said: GodlyKyon said: EasyGo-er said: Haha, rejoice everyone cause now you have a reason to continue this discussion since the anime adaptation is on the way. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-02-07/terraformars.tv-domain-registered-before-important-announcement Estherella said: LOLED! Can you imagine this series having an anime? I dunno what the rest of the world would think of it. Now we can see what most people think about it :P But I bet it'll most likely be the same reaction as Shingeki no Kyojin. I highly doubt it... SnK actually had a decent story with some solid mechanism behind it. This series barely has any special girls in it, mostly just generic(actually, count the whole cast it) But still, this series is just SHIT What mechanism, 3DMG? See them threads about it. Anyway, you =/= the world. Trust me, haha. You're talking about this SHIT series that was voted as No.1 manga for boys in 2012 which will be adapted to a media that revolves around those people that vote for this SHIT. What do you expect? Yes yes, I know about the G Force that will be exerted on the user, but I was talking about the tid-bits that were revealed in each of the mid-segments of episodes, industrialized towns, inner walls having more advanced technology etc. The world seems rich with information and early foreshadowings hinted at the villains, overall, it was well thought-out When I talk about the girls, I meant as in as much fanservice as it has, the girls are nothing to obsess over as they die pretty frequently and are basically clones of each other with minor differences. Nothing else to say now other than, I hope this shit provokes a lot of LOL on the internet when it becomes a show. |
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| Who would ever thought it would get an anime adaption o.0 Can't say i was surprised about it though since now i got something to look forward: how the audience are going to react to this and how they are going to adapt the anime. This anime will probably gather quite a lot of hype because of its theme but whether it will fulfill the expectations of majority of the people is another case since gantz anime is only so-so. I doubt this will get the same amount of hype as Snk for many reasons: Snk happened to be released at the right time when the anime industry was filled with so many slice-of-life and fan-service/harem series since it has been over a few years since a dark survival apocalypse themed series have been released. It was about time people were fed up with the same sort of themes so this sort of shift have attracted the attention of the media. Secondly, terra formars have a mixed review with a lot of people (well mainly the western side of the world, not so sure how it fare in asian country though), so there will probably be a lot of controversy surrounding it. I am already seeing signs of people bashing the series on a number of aspects. But it'll depends on how the visuals is going depicted and the story is going to progress. I personally don't have any problems with the series because it's easy for me to switch my mind off so i actually enjoyed the series despite its flaws. It wasn't the worst series that i have read but it have the entertaining factors that does the job for me. There are already people saying that it's so bad it's so good o_o I would also like to point out that Terra Formar have far more things in common with gantz instead of Snk in terms of nudity, sexuality, senseless killing, random death and huge cast of characters with names. The only prominent things they share is the survival themes and nothing else. You can say quite a few aspect of the series have several elements that serve very little purpose and impact to the story. Based on my deductions, Terra Formar will predominantly attract more male audience than female which is obvious since the series is aimed at a male demographic. However, one of the reason why Snk was so popular with both the male and female fan base because it doesn't discriminate sexes and showcased signs of gender equality to some extent unlike most other shounen series which mainly sexualize female and heavily embed some traditional gender value (such as female being more elegant and ladylike/wear skirt/weak/damsel in distress and boys have to be masculine and strong). :X But since this won't apply to Terra Formars, it is likely female audience won't be interested in it unless there are other aspects that can draw them into it. Even in terms of mystery and world-building, it's very vague compared to snk. But ofcourse, things might be different in the anime. At least, i hope the studio will improve the manga by doing the right thing that the manga didn't do >.< These are merely based on my observations from years of hanging out with female anime fans so i can relate to the sort of things that will interest them/reasons as to why they would watch a certain shounen series. On a side note, from the sound of it, it seemed like the anime will probably release somewhere in late 2014-mid 2015 o-0 |
EstherellaFeb 14, 2014 1:05 AM
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Estherella said: Who would ever thought it would get an anime adaption o.0 Can't say i was surprised about it though since now i got something to look forward: how the audience are going to react to this and how they are going to adapt the anime. This anime will probably gather quite a lot of hype because of its theme but whether it will fulfill the expectations of majority of the people is another case since gantz anime is only so-so. I doubt this will get the same amount of hype as Snk for many reasons: Snk happened to be released at the right time when the anime industry was filled with so many slice-of-life and fan-service/harem series since it has been over a few years since a dark survival apocalypse themed series have been released. It was about time people were fed up with the same sort of themes so this sort of shift have attracted the attention of the media. Secondly, terra formars have a mixed review with a lot of people (well mainly the western side of the world, not so sure how it fare in asian country though), so there will probably be a lot of controversy surrounding it. I am already seeing signs of people bashing the series on a number of aspects. But it'll depends on how the visuals is going depicted and the story is going to progress. I personally don't have any problems with the series because it's easy for me to switch my mind off so i actually enjoyed the series despite its flaws. It wasn't the worst series that i have read but it have the entertaining factors that does the job for me. There are already people saying that it's so bad it's so good o_o I would also like to point out that Terra Formar have far more things in common with gantz instead of Snk in terms of nudity, sexuality, senseless killing, random death and huge cast of characters with names. The only prominent things they share is the survival themes and nothing else. You can say quite a few aspect of the series have several elements that serve very little purpose and impact to the story. Based on my deductions, Terra Formar will predominantly attract more male audience than female which is obvious since the series is aimed at a male demographic. However, one of the reason why Snk was so popular with both the male and female fan base because it doesn't discriminate sexes and showcased signs of gender equality to some extent unlike most other shounen series which mainly sexualize female and heavily embed some traditional gender value (such as female being more elegant and ladylike/wear skirt/weak/damsel in distress and boys have to be masculine and strong). :X But since this won't apply to Terra Formars, it is likely female audience won't be interested in it unless there are other aspects that can draw them into it. Even in terms of mystery and world-building, it's very vague compared to snk. But ofcourse, things might be different in the anime. At least, i hope the studio will improve the manga by doing the right thing that the manga didn't do >.< These are merely based on my observations from years of hanging out with female anime fans so i can relate to the sort of things that will interest them/reasons as to why they would watch a certain shounen series. On a side note, from the sound of it, it seemed like the anime will probably release somewhere in late 2014-mid 2015 o-0 I am not surprised at all, this gets 300k-400k sales in Japan quite easily. |
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