Attack on Titan
HalfMetalJacket said: I don't get the point of your argument. Removing anything good about a series will only leave the bad behind. The audio is the positive. Of course its going to be bad if you remove, its a part of the experience. The music and placement of it has had such an impact that, without it, it'd be an entirely different show. Take the tension added by the female titan chase at the end of ep18 as an example: the build-up to Annie being shown; the quick stop-start the music did when Annie squashed the two reinforcements... it wasn't the video so much as it was the audio that sent chills down my spine. Another recent example would be when Eren decided to sit on Annie for a few mins in ep21: the way the music gradually pumped up, along with his speech, made it only a minor complaint that Eren wasted time monologuing. What I'm trying to say is that the music/voice acting scores an easy 10/10 whilst the other aspects score lower. That's all. Nothing terribly complicated. And while this may differ from person to person, I'd be surprised if you could find someone that wouldn't go with audio as Shingeki's single most impressive aspect out of story, characters, animation, etc. |
AironicallyHuman said: A mature person can be objective. An idiot can't. Ya'll should keep this in your mind's eye. I love/d the manga. I love parts of the anime. But, overall, it's nowhere near polished enough as an adaptation to be worthy of the highest praise. It's small-minded to look at, say, ep21 then ignore the episodes where nothing happened/nothing was animated. There's nothing to argue about: the music and audio in general has carried the show over its weaker moments. Without the audio side... not pretty. I feel that if instead of aiming to make this as long as they could for a first season and took off a couple eps.. So instead of 25 eps maybe 21-23, they could've improved the pacing by a lot a gotten rid of those unnessacary filler parts and fixed it so there weren't those eps were almost nothing happened.. Also I agree, I love the show but I am personally tired of people only looking at the good and refusing to admit the flaws. Those fans that act like it is the perfect adaption and try to justify every thing that contradicts that.. Yes, it's a good adaption but it is no where near perfect. |
AironicallyHuman said: HalfMetalJacket said: I don't get the point of your argument. Removing anything good about a series will only leave the bad behind. The audio is the positive. Of course its going to be bad if you remove, its a part of the experience. The music and placement of it has had such an impact that, without it, it'd be an entirely different show. Take the tension added by the female titan chase at the end of ep18 as an example: the build-up to Annie being shown; the quick stop-start the music did when Annie squashed the two reinforcements... it wasn't the video so much as it was the audio that sent chills down my spine. Another recent example would be when Eren decided to sit on Annie for a few mins in ep21: the way the music gradually pumped up, along with his speech, made it only a minor complaint that Eren wasted time monologuing. What I'm trying to say is that the music/voice acting scores an easy 10/10 whilst the other aspects score lower. That's all. Nothing terribly complicated. And while this may differ from person to person, I'd be surprised if you could find someone that wouldn't go with audio as Shingeki's single most impressive aspect out of story, characters, animation, etc. Main point is; Remove everything good (OST for example) and your left with everything else. Lose the stunning animation sequences for that matter, and you don't have much to praise for this adaption. You can apply this to anything really. Not an adaption, but remove Cowboy Bebop's OST and you've got random scenes that seem time wasting without OST. So much for an audiovisual masterpiece. It wouldn't be so touted. Not that I hate it though, having a blast with it. Heck, its the same as watching a horror movie in broad day light while muted. Seems we were agreeing on the same thing then again. Argument was pointless. |
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A1B2C3 said: grumpytoast said: AironicallyHuman said: A mature person can be objective. An idiot can't. Ya'll should keep this in your mind's eye. I love/d the manga. I love parts of the anime. But, overall, it's nowhere near polished enough as an adaptation to be worthy of the highest praise. It's small-minded to look at, say, ep21 then ignore the episodes where nothing happened/nothing was animated. There's nothing to argue about: the music and audio in general has carried the show over its weaker moments. Without the audio side... not pretty. I feel that if instead of aiming to make this as long as they could for a first season and took off a couple eps.. So instead of 25 eps maybe 21-23, they could've improved the pacing by a lot a gotten rid of those unnessacary filler parts and fixed it so there weren't those eps were almost nothing happened.. Also I agree, I love the show but I am personally tired of people only looking at the good and refusing to admit the flaws. Those fans that act like it is the perfect adaption and try to justify every thing that contradicts that.. Yes, it's a good adaption but it is no where near perfect. I agree it just hurts the show and future shows to not give any criticism to producers who will do whatever they can get away with.. I just can't get into the show when i know what's going on behind the scenes and that it's about to end in a cliff hanger 10 minutes before the show ends... and ya every show's flawed.. but the best ones have very few. You know of spoilers already? If not, then the cliffhanger really might catch you off guard, just saying. Criticism is how things get better in the first place. Hopefully the Studio acknowledges some niggles and will do what they can to make the second season better. Hopefully the studio keeps our criticisms in mind when the second season comes out. Hope for better pacing and more consistent animation quality (they've got years to make it now, no excuses). |
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A1B2C3 said: Nvm i see you've watched very little. I'm trying to remember what I've watched, so yeah, the list is small. Wouldn't get much bigger either. I wouldn't change my score for SNK though, regardless of how much I've watched. Are you going disregard everything I've said now? Just because my list is small, you think my perspective is? |
HalfMetalPriestSep 15, 2013 8:43 PM
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A1B2C3 said: HalfMetalJacket said: A1B2C3 said: Nvm i see you've watched very little. I'm trying to remember what I've watched, so yeah, the list is small. Wouldn't get much bigger either. I wouldn't change my score for SNK though, regardless of how much I've watched. Are you going disregard everything I've said now? Just because my list is small, you think my perspective is? Nononono I was just saying that for the question "do you talk about every show you watch while it airs?" Seeing as you've seen so little i though the question wouldn't be answerable due to not watching much as they aired. I definitely respect and agree with most of what you have said. Wouldn't blame you if you doubted me though. I try my best to remain open. |
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A1B2C3 said: HalfMetalJacket said: A1B2C3 said: Jinkuro said: The pacing could have been a lot better, but i'd rather have a slow paced show and get a full second season tbh. Why? That's just a waste of time for poorly told 2 seasons... sounds like you are a shounen never ending story guy.. The slow pacing, slight filler and recaps are necessary weasels to allow the first season of SNK to end the best way possible to pave the way for season 2. When season 2 comes out, hopefully there is enough material to avoid the same draggy issues of the first season. By upping the pace, removing long recaps and taking away slight filler, the consequences are MUCH worse than slow pacing. Remember Naruto? The anime series eventually wound up catching up with the manga. Filler arcs followed. Not going to say the rest. The same thing will happen to SNK if they try to up the pace. Still going to end the anime in 25 episodes anyway for season 2? Well you've just run into a quarter of a new arc ahead of the current one, leaving an iffy season conclusion. Don't worry man, you've pointed out a perfectly reasonable issue with the series. Trost Arc being the obvious offender. But keep in mind what I've stated, and you'll see why it must be done. I get why it's being done, and you admit it's flawed, so why is it in the top 10? I'm in no way an action buff btw. and naruto isn't a good example of good story telling.. the manga is still shounen - i.e. drag it out as long as possible. I don't consider this story shounen, it's more action, adventure, mystery with shounen pacing. Not the manga though. - that depends how it plays out but I do believe they have answers to these questions. Estherella said: That is the actual flaw of the story. Not just the anime but the SNK manga is a very slow paced and slow developed story. Didn't notice it in the manga but when you see an anime version of the adapted series, the flaws becomes really visible. When you mentioned whether some of us viewers were frustrated about it, well, i'm actually used to it because i know how slow the story progresses. I'm not irritated at all because i'm used to slow paced story. :X I read the manga and it's way faster paced than the anime. Also the anime has fillers. Also it tries really hard to make the conversations as long as possible taking pauses and trying to get to the end for a cliff hanger. Again I am enjoying it mare than hating it I just don't see how it's considered top tier production... Why do you still give it a 10 when you understand all these flaws and understand that the pacing is "the actual flaw of the story."? Just wondering your reasoning, you don't seem to give them out easily. That is because i'm a loyal mangareader to the original series. I've seen many adaptions in the past but all of them sunk the boat for me. Regardless of those flaws that you've mentioned, so what? It doesn't really change the fact i thoroughly enjoyed it with all my heart and it was the greatest thing that i could wish for. I'm not elitist or some sort of critical reviewer. Why is rating relevant to this? You like, you like. You don't so you don't. It' just that simple. I love aspects of the shows that people don't. One of the reason why i like SNK so much was because i have a thing for apocalypse series and this is one of the very few apocalypse series that i think conveyed the effect of despair and hopelessness really well. I also like how the series provide some insights that are relevant to our world. Not to mention, those lengthy dialogues in SNK is one of the aspect of the show that i actually enjoyed because it tells me something about their values, attitudes and beliefs in their universe. Though, it should be shorten as some people have already said. You are also severely mistaken if you think the pacing in the manga is any better than the anime contents itself. I've already seen people complaining about the pacing and the story being dragged on. There's a difference between reading manga and watching anime. In manga, you can read as fast as you want but you may not necessary be able to identify the issues with pacing. These are some of the things that a lot of people think so as well. It's not just me in that regard. There are already people who quit reading the manga because it was very slow-paced. It was actually the main reason why i placed SNK on hold as well for two years because i couldn't stand the pacing. Even at the start of the series, the pacing itself was pretty bad in the manga. I thought the first few chapter was incredibly rushed and you can really tell that the author was pretty new to this. The story-telling wasn't as effective and great either and it was very confusing but these aspects improve as the series progresses particularly during the female titan arc. There are a lot more flaws that i could point out in regard to other aspects of the series but the positive side of it has redeemed itself for the negative aspects. Take in mind that the studio is pretty new as well so i applaud them for going so far. There are no series that are PERFECT. None at all. But then again, if there wasn't any other good animation or good music, i probable wouldn't be able to give the same ratings as i have now. Every series have a flaw even the most regarded and highest scored series on MAL. Not to mention, i use a very high rating system where i normally rate anything between a 7-10. To me, it's just impossible for there to be any series that are so bad to the point that it's unwatchable. Maybe except for a few series. If i were to rate every series based on pacing, then some of the ones that i regarded as masterpiece will never deserve the rating they have noe. I've read a handful of manga and anime that are very slow paced series so i don't have these issues at all as i've mentioned. P.S- Also, can people stop treating fans as blind idiots? Just because they are a fan of something, it does not mean they are just blind fanboys. Honestly, fans are not stupid, you know. Even though i'm a big fan of SNK, i recognize those flaws. |
EstherellaSep 16, 2013 3:09 AM
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Estherella said: A1B2C3 said: HalfMetalJacket said: A1B2C3 said: Jinkuro said: The pacing could have been a lot better, but i'd rather have a slow paced show and get a full second season tbh. Why? That's just a waste of time for poorly told 2 seasons... sounds like you are a shounen never ending story guy.. The slow pacing, slight filler and recaps are necessary weasels to allow the first season of SNK to end the best way possible to pave the way for season 2. When season 2 comes out, hopefully there is enough material to avoid the same draggy issues of the first season. By upping the pace, removing long recaps and taking away slight filler, the consequences are MUCH worse than slow pacing. Remember Naruto? The anime series eventually wound up catching up with the manga. Filler arcs followed. Not going to say the rest. The same thing will happen to SNK if they try to up the pace. Still going to end the anime in 25 episodes anyway for season 2? Well you've just run into a quarter of a new arc ahead of the current one, leaving an iffy season conclusion. Don't worry man, you've pointed out a perfectly reasonable issue with the series. Trost Arc being the obvious offender. But keep in mind what I've stated, and you'll see why it must be done. I get why it's being done, and you admit it's flawed, so why is it in the top 10? I'm in no way an action buff btw. and naruto isn't a good example of good story telling.. the manga is still shounen - i.e. drag it out as long as possible. I don't consider this story shounen, it's more action, adventure, mystery with shounen pacing. Not the manga though. - that depends how it plays out but I do believe they have answers to these questions. Estherella said: That is the actual flaw of the story. Not just the anime but the SNK manga is a very slow paced and slow developed story. Didn't notice it in the manga but when you see an anime version of the adapted series, the flaws becomes really visible. When you mentioned whether some of us viewers were frustrated about it, well, i'm actually used to it because i know how slow the story progresses. I'm not irritated at all because i'm used to slow paced story. :X I read the manga and it's way faster paced than the anime. Also the anime has fillers. Also it tries really hard to make the conversations as long as possible taking pauses and trying to get to the end for a cliff hanger. Again I am enjoying it mare than hating it I just don't see how it's considered top tier production... Why do you still give it a 10 when you understand all these flaws and understand that the pacing is "the actual flaw of the story."? Just wondering your reasoning, you don't seem to give them out easily. That is because i'm a loyal mangareader to the original series. I've seen many adaptions in the past but all of them sunk the boat for me. Regardless of those flaws that you've mentioned, so what? It doesn't really change the fact i thoroughly enjoyed it with all my heart and it was the greatest thing that i could wish for. I'm not elitist or some sort of critical reviewer. Why is rating relevant to this? You like, you like. You don't so you don't. It' just that simple. I love aspects of the shows that people don't. One of the reason why i like SNK so much was because i have a thing for apocalypse series and this is one of the very few apocalypse series that i think conveyed the effect of despair and hopelessness really well. I also like how the series provide some insights that are relevant to our world. Not to mention, those lengthy dialogues in SNK is one of the aspect of the show that i actually enjoyed because it tells me something about their values, attitudes and beliefs in their universe. Though, it should be shorten as some people have already said. You are also severely mistaken if you think the pacing in the manga is any better than the anime contents itself. I've already seen people complaining about the pacing and the story being dragged on. There's a difference between reading manga and watching anime. In manga, you can read as fast as you want but you may not necessary be able to identify the issues with pacing. These are some of the things that a lot of people think so as well. It's not just me in that regard. There are already people who quit reading the manga because it was very slow-paced. It was actually the main reason why i placed SNK on hold as well for two years because i couldn't stand the pacing. Even at the start of the series, the pacing itself was pretty bad in the manga. I thought the first few chapter was incredibly rushed and you can really tell that the author was pretty new to this. The story-telling wasn't as effective and great either and it was very confusing but these aspects improve as the series progresses particularly during the female titan arc. There are a lot more flaws that i could point out in regard to other aspects of the series but the positive side of it has redeemed itself for the negative aspects. Take in mind that the studio is pretty new as well so i applaud them for going so far. There are no series that are PERFECT. None at all. But then again, if there wasn't any other good animation or good music, i probable wouldn't be able to give the same ratings as i have now. Every series have a flaw even the most regarded and highest scored series on MAL. Not to mention, i use a very high rating system where i normally rate anything between a 7-10. To me, it's just impossible for there to be any series that are so bad to the point that it's unwatchable. Maybe except for a few series. If i were to rate every series based on pacing, then some of the ones that i regarded as masterpiece will never deserve the rating they have noe. I've read a handful of manga and anime that are very slow paced series so i don't have these issues at all as i've mentioned. P.S- Also, can people stop treating fans as blind idiots? Just because they are a fan of something, it does not mean they are just blind fanboys. Honestly, fans are not stupid, you know. Even though i'm a big fan of SNK, i recognize those flaws. It's not so much as treating every fan as a blind fanboy but those fans that try so hard to knock down the fact that it has faults and cover up and deny that it does.. And trust me there are many fans for snk especially who do this and try to find every mean possible to justify any faults.. The pacing in the manga isn't the best.. But it is still better than the anime.. The anime purposely draws out scenes and dialogues... They even add scenes that are totally uneccasary to the story and the characters and some of the added scenes don't even make sense.. Like the ep with them leaving the forest I wonder it the animators even thought it through or if they just wanted some sorta sob story, what ever their reason it ruined the nice pacing the previous eps had (in my opinion).. Some instances they even go as far as to cut scenes from the manga and then add their own in order to justify what is going on in their version instead of just sticking to the original (they cut several moments important to Annie's character growth and relationship to eren and then later in the series added their own which change the outlook on Annie's character).. I agree with you there are no series that are perfect.. Every series has flaws including snk and pacing is one of them.. Not to say that it ruins the series or anything.. No way, its still very enjoyable and I myself will probably give it a high 7 or an 8 depending on how they decide to end it... But you all should just accept that some people don't like the pacing and their opinion on that shouldn't detract from you enjoying the series or them enjoying the series as a whole. |
grumpytoast said: Estherella said: A1B2C3 said: HalfMetalJacket said: A1B2C3 said: Jinkuro said: The pacing could have been a lot better, but i'd rather have a slow paced show and get a full second season tbh. Why? That's just a waste of time for poorly told 2 seasons... sounds like you are a shounen never ending story guy.. The slow pacing, slight filler and recaps are necessary weasels to allow the first season of SNK to end the best way possible to pave the way for season 2. When season 2 comes out, hopefully there is enough material to avoid the same draggy issues of the first season. By upping the pace, removing long recaps and taking away slight filler, the consequences are MUCH worse than slow pacing. Remember Naruto? The anime series eventually wound up catching up with the manga. Filler arcs followed. Not going to say the rest. The same thing will happen to SNK if they try to up the pace. Still going to end the anime in 25 episodes anyway for season 2? Well you've just run into a quarter of a new arc ahead of the current one, leaving an iffy season conclusion. Don't worry man, you've pointed out a perfectly reasonable issue with the series. Trost Arc being the obvious offender. But keep in mind what I've stated, and you'll see why it must be done. I get why it's being done, and you admit it's flawed, so why is it in the top 10? I'm in no way an action buff btw. and naruto isn't a good example of good story telling.. the manga is still shounen - i.e. drag it out as long as possible. I don't consider this story shounen, it's more action, adventure, mystery with shounen pacing. Not the manga though. - that depends how it plays out but I do believe they have answers to these questions. Estherella said: That is the actual flaw of the story. Not just the anime but the SNK manga is a very slow paced and slow developed story. Didn't notice it in the manga but when you see an anime version of the adapted series, the flaws becomes really visible. When you mentioned whether some of us viewers were frustrated about it, well, i'm actually used to it because i know how slow the story progresses. I'm not irritated at all because i'm used to slow paced story. :X I read the manga and it's way faster paced than the anime. Also the anime has fillers. Also it tries really hard to make the conversations as long as possible taking pauses and trying to get to the end for a cliff hanger. Again I am enjoying it mare than hating it I just don't see how it's considered top tier production... Why do you still give it a 10 when you understand all these flaws and understand that the pacing is "the actual flaw of the story."? Just wondering your reasoning, you don't seem to give them out easily. That is because i'm a loyal mangareader to the original series. I've seen many adaptions in the past but all of them sunk the boat for me. Regardless of those flaws that you've mentioned, so what? It doesn't really change the fact i thoroughly enjoyed it with all my heart and it was the greatest thing that i could wish for. I'm not elitist or some sort of critical reviewer. Why is rating relevant to this? You like, you like. You don't so you don't. It' just that simple. I love aspects of the shows that people don't. One of the reason why i like SNK so much was because i have a thing for apocalypse series and this is one of the very few apocalypse series that i think conveyed the effect of despair and hopelessness really well. I also like how the series provide some insights that are relevant to our world. Not to mention, those lengthy dialogues in SNK is one of the aspect of the show that i actually enjoyed because it tells me something about their values, attitudes and beliefs in their universe. Though, it should be shorten as some people have already said. You are also severely mistaken if you think the pacing in the manga is any better than the anime contents itself. I've already seen people complaining about the pacing and the story being dragged on. There's a difference between reading manga and watching anime. In manga, you can read as fast as you want but you may not necessary be able to identify the issues with pacing. These are some of the things that a lot of people think so as well. It's not just me in that regard. There are already people who quit reading the manga because it was very slow-paced. It was actually the main reason why i placed SNK on hold as well for two years because i couldn't stand the pacing. Even at the start of the series, the pacing itself was pretty bad in the manga. I thought the first few chapter was incredibly rushed and you can really tell that the author was pretty new to this. The story-telling wasn't as effective and great either and it was very confusing but these aspects improve as the series progresses particularly during the female titan arc. There are a lot more flaws that i could point out in regard to other aspects of the series but the positive side of it has redeemed itself for the negative aspects. Take in mind that the studio is pretty new as well so i applaud them for going so far. There are no series that are PERFECT. None at all. But then again, if there wasn't any other good animation or good music, i probable wouldn't be able to give the same ratings as i have now. Every series have a flaw even the most regarded and highest scored series on MAL. Not to mention, i use a very high rating system where i normally rate anything between a 7-10. To me, it's just impossible for there to be any series that are so bad to the point that it's unwatchable. Maybe except for a few series. If i were to rate every series based on pacing, then some of the ones that i regarded as masterpiece will never deserve the rating they have noe. I've read a handful of manga and anime that are very slow paced series so i don't have these issues at all as i've mentioned. P.S- Also, can people stop treating fans as blind idiots? Just because they are a fan of something, it does not mean they are just blind fanboys. Honestly, fans are not stupid, you know. Even though i'm a big fan of SNK, i recognize those flaws. It's not so much as treating every fan as a blind fanboy but those fans that try so hard to knock down the fact that it has faults and cover up and deny that it does.. And trust me there are many fans for snk especially who do this and try to find every mean possible to justify any faults.. The pacing in the manga isn't the best.. But it is still better than the anime.. The anime purposely draws out scenes and dialogues... They even add scenes that are totally uneccasary to the story and the characters and some of the added scenes don't even make sense.. Like the ep with them leaving the forest I wonder it the animators even thought it through or if they just wanted some sorta sob story, what ever their reason it ruined the nice pacing the previous eps had (in my opinion).. Some instances they even go as far as to cut scenes from the manga and then add their own in order to justify what is going on in their version instead of just sticking to the original (they cut several moments important to Annie's character growth and relationship to eren and then later in the series added their own which change the outlook on Annie's character).. I agree with you there are no series that are perfect.. Every series has flaws including snk and pacing is one of them.. Not to say that it ruins the series or anything.. No way, its still very enjoyable and I myself will probably give it a high 7 or an 8 depending on how they decide to end it... But you all should just accept that some people don't like the pacing and their opinion on that shouldn't detract from you enjoying the series or them enjoying the series as a whole. That's SOME. Seriously, it's really ignorant to say that just because you met some that are blind, other fans are automatically assumed to be the same as well. I actually seen lot and lot of idiots like that who just insult the fanbase and hate on the series, does that mean all of them are like that? No, i don't think so. I don't understand this logic at all. These sort of fans appears on every series why limit it to a certain series? But that's a whole another issue. Plus, i don't see anything wrong or bad with defending the series if they have a good justification. It's those that are unreasonable and unjustified that can't be taken seriously. If i were to insult other series without a reason, other fans would defend the series with good justification as well. Defending the series =/= Being blind and fanboyism. Just because you're criticizing the series =/= hater. Same deal! But you're right about everyone have their own opinions and all i've been doing was expressing my opinions. What i was trying to address to the person i was replying to was that MY RATINGS or whoever's ratings should not have matter in the first place. Everyone have their own way of rating and opinions and I don't see why everyone should rate the way just because someone said you should yet. Yet, here i am trying to justify why i gave it a 10 because i was questioned. To be honest, why really bother? Why does it matter to another person how i rate? =_= It's not about accepting opinions but rather it's about respecting other people's opinions. Why should people have to explain why he/she don't like a certain something? 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EstherellaSep 16, 2013 6:42 AM
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A1B2C3 said: Estherella said: grumpytoast said: Estherella said: A1B2C3 said: HalfMetalJacket said: A1B2C3 said: Jinkuro said: The pacing could have been a lot better, but i'd rather have a slow paced show and get a full second season tbh. Why? That's just a waste of time for poorly told 2 seasons... sounds like you are a shounen never ending story guy.. The slow pacing, slight filler and recaps are necessary weasels to allow the first season of SNK to end the best way possible to pave the way for season 2. When season 2 comes out, hopefully there is enough material to avoid the same draggy issues of the first season. By upping the pace, removing long recaps and taking away slight filler, the consequences are MUCH worse than slow pacing. Remember Naruto? The anime series eventually wound up catching up with the manga. Filler arcs followed. Not going to say the rest. The same thing will happen to SNK if they try to up the pace. Still going to end the anime in 25 episodes anyway for season 2? Well you've just run into a quarter of a new arc ahead of the current one, leaving an iffy season conclusion. Don't worry man, you've pointed out a perfectly reasonable issue with the series. Trost Arc being the obvious offender. But keep in mind what I've stated, and you'll see why it must be done. I get why it's being done, and you admit it's flawed, so why is it in the top 10? I'm in no way an action buff btw. and naruto isn't a good example of good story telling.. the manga is still shounen - i.e. drag it out as long as possible. I don't consider this story shounen, it's more action, adventure, mystery with shounen pacing. Not the manga though. - that depends how it plays out but I do believe they have answers to these questions. Estherella said: That is the actual flaw of the story. Not just the anime but the SNK manga is a very slow paced and slow developed story. Didn't notice it in the manga but when you see an anime version of the adapted series, the flaws becomes really visible. When you mentioned whether some of us viewers were frustrated about it, well, i'm actually used to it because i know how slow the story progresses. I'm not irritated at all because i'm used to slow paced story. :X I read the manga and it's way faster paced than the anime. Also the anime has fillers. Also it tries really hard to make the conversations as long as possible taking pauses and trying to get to the end for a cliff hanger. Again I am enjoying it mare than hating it I just don't see how it's considered top tier production... Why do you still give it a 10 when you understand all these flaws and understand that the pacing is "the actual flaw of the story."? Just wondering your reasoning, you don't seem to give them out easily. That is because i'm a loyal mangareader to the original series. I've seen many adaptions in the past but all of them sunk the boat for me. Regardless of those flaws that you've mentioned, so what? It doesn't really change the fact i thoroughly enjoyed it with all my heart and it was the greatest thing that i could wish for. I'm not elitist or some sort of critical reviewer. Why is rating relevant to this? You like, you like. You don't so you don't. It' just that simple. I love aspects of the shows that people don't. One of the reason why i like SNK so much was because i have a thing for apocalypse series and this is one of the very few apocalypse series that i think conveyed the effect of despair and hopelessness really well. I also like how the series provide some insights that are relevant to our world. Not to mention, those lengthy dialogues in SNK is one of the aspect of the show that i actually enjoyed because it tells me something about their values, attitudes and beliefs in their universe. Though, it should be shorten as some people have already said. You are also severely mistaken if you think the pacing in the manga is any better than the anime contents itself. I've already seen people complaining about the pacing and the story being dragged on. There's a difference between reading manga and watching anime. In manga, you can read as fast as you want but you may not necessary be able to identify the issues with pacing. These are some of the things that a lot of people think so as well. It's not just me in that regard. There are already people who quit reading the manga because it was very slow-paced. It was actually the main reason why i placed SNK on hold as well for two years because i couldn't stand the pacing. Even at the start of the series, the pacing itself was pretty bad in the manga. I thought the first few chapter was incredibly rushed and you can really tell that the author was pretty new to this. The story-telling wasn't as effective and great either and it was very confusing but these aspects improve as the series progresses particularly during the female titan arc. There are a lot more flaws that i could point out in regard to other aspects of the series but the positive side of it has redeemed itself for the negative aspects. Take in mind that the studio is pretty new as well so i applaud them for going so far. There are no series that are PERFECT. None at all. But then again, if there wasn't any other good animation or good music, i probable wouldn't be able to give the same ratings as i have now. Every series have a flaw even the most regarded and highest scored series on MAL. Not to mention, i use a very high rating system where i normally rate anything between a 7-10. To me, it's just impossible for there to be any series that are so bad to the point that it's unwatchable. Maybe except for a few series. If i were to rate every series based on pacing, then some of the ones that i regarded as masterpiece will never deserve the rating they have noe. I've read a handful of manga and anime that are very slow paced series so i don't have these issues at all as i've mentioned. P.S- Also, can people stop treating fans as blind idiots? Just because they are a fan of something, it does not mean they are just blind fanboys. Honestly, fans are not stupid, you know. Even though i'm a big fan of SNK, i recognize those flaws. It's not so much as treating every fan as a blind fanboy but those fans that try so hard to knock down the fact that it has faults and cover up and deny that it does.. And trust me there are many fans for snk especially who do this and try to find every mean possible to justify any faults.. The pacing in the manga isn't the best.. But it is still better than the anime.. The anime purposely draws out scenes and dialogues... They even add scenes that are totally uneccasary to the story and the characters and some of the added scenes don't even make sense.. Like the ep with them leaving the forest I wonder it the animators even thought it through or if they just wanted some sorta sob story, what ever their reason it ruined the nice pacing the previous eps had (in my opinion).. Some instances they even go as far as to cut scenes from the manga and then add their own in order to justify what is going on in their version instead of just sticking to the original (they cut several moments important to Annie's character growth and relationship to eren and then later in the series added their own which change the outlook on Annie's character).. I agree with you there are no series that are perfect.. Every series has flaws including snk and pacing is one of them.. Not to say that it ruins the series or anything.. No way, its still very enjoyable and I myself will probably give it a high 7 or an 8 depending on how they decide to end it... But you all should just accept that some people don't like the pacing and their opinion on that shouldn't detract from you enjoying the series or them enjoying the series as a whole. That's SOME. Seriously, it's really ignorant to say that just because you met some that are blind, other fans are automatically assumed to be the same as well. I actually seen lot and lot of idiots like that who just insult the fanbase and hate on the series, does that mean all of them are like that? No, i don't think so. I don't understand this logic at all. These sort of fans appears on every series why limit it to a certain series? But that's a whole another issue. Plus, i don't see anything wrong or bad with defending the series if they have a good justification. It's those that are unreasonable and unjustified that can't be taken seriously. If i were to insult other series without a reason, other fans would defend the series with good justification as well. Defending the series =/= Being blind and fanboyism. Just because you're criticizing the series =/= hater. Same deal! But you're right about everyone have their own opinions and all i've been doing was expressing my opinions. What i was trying to address to the person i was replying to was that MY RATINGS or whoever's ratings should not have matter in the first place. Everyone have their own way of rating and opinions and I don't see why everyone should rate the way just because someone said you should yet. Yet, here i am trying to justify why i gave it a 10 because i was questioned. To be honest, why really bother? Why does it matter to another person how i rate? =_= It's not about accepting opinions but rather it's about respecting other people's opinions. Why should people have to explain why he/she don't like a certain something? They don't like it so be it, some do so be it. Nothing's wrong with that. All right, well I got my answer anyways. People have different ways they see the rating system of 1-10. And I understand that it's only some/few people who practice crazy fanboyism. then there's you who actually gives constructive criticism and is a fan. I'm out, you silly geese I didn't mean for it to come out that way.. I know not every fan is an over the top fanboy and I know snk isn't the only series that has them.. I'm not trying to hold every one here to the same standards of fanboyism... It's just there are some (not all) and there is nothing wrong with justifying a series you like but some of them do it blindly and refuse to admit its faults... I don't mind anyone giving it a ten.. It's your choice and opinion on the show.. Even I have shows that I know have faults and that others don't rate as highly of as me but the over all amount I enjoy the series has me giving it a ten.. I'm just tired of some of the fans (not you and not all) that act like its the most perfect god sent thing ever and practically worship the series and refuse to see its faults.. But whatever.. If they want to do that they can.. I don't really care anymore.. Haha some of the theories they come up with are crazy though and I wonder if some people are actually reading the story or just skipping over to parts they like aha |
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Manderton said: Read a few chapters of the manga and decided it wasn't my thing. The beginning of the manga isn't well executed tbh. First and esecond episode does it justice. |
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grumpytoast said: I didn't mean for it to come out that way.. I know not every fan is an over the top fanboy and I know snk isn't the only series that has them.. I'm not trying to hold every one here to the same standards of fanboyism... It's just there are some (not all) and there is nothing wrong with justifying a series you like but some of them do it blindly and refuse to admit its faults... I don't mind anyone giving it a ten.. It's your choice and opinion on the show.. Even I have shows that I know have faults and that others don't rate as highly of as me but the over all amount I enjoy the series has me giving it a ten.. I'm just tired of some of the fans (not you and not all) that act like its the most perfect god sent thing ever and practically worship the series and refuse to see its faults.. But whatever.. If they want to do that they can.. I don't really care anymore.. Haha some of the theories they come up with are crazy though and I wonder if some people are actually reading the story or just skipping over to parts they like aha Sorry for misinterpreting your response and overreacting as well :X It's just that the way you phrased makes it sound like that. It's just that I'm really really sick and tired of ignorant people that are quick to judge whenever it comes to fanbase and it's the most stupid thing ever seemingly as a few fanboys represent thousands of fans out there. Sometime, i even wonder if they are actually fans at all seemingly as though some are deliberately ticking people off. Either way, It's just really unfair to those fans that actually genuinely loves and acknowledge the flaws of the series to have their points and discussion to be condemned into sheer fanboyism by others, especially when there are people who spent an hour trying to justify their points. .-. There are certainly some really whacky theories that came out of nowhere, though i'm not really surprised. Many of my friends who read SNK only read for the sake of reading it rather than making an attempts to actually understand the story or even picking up the clues. That's also the main reason why many people did not figure out who the female titan was even in the manga unlike the anime where everything was just too obvious. I guess it's too much of an effort for some people to even bother doing that. There are some really good analysis and theories on the other hand in some of the forums though and they are an interesting read. |
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HalfMetalJacket said: Manderton said: Read a few chapters of the manga and decided it wasn't my thing. The beginning of the manga isn't well executed tbh. First and esecond episode does it justice. Not going to lie but the first few chapters of the manga were pretty shit in terms of story telling but the plot kept me interested and i only began to immerse into the story at Female Titan arc. The first few episodes of the anime does the manga justice and improved the quality a lot. |
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| Damn it!! >.< I read the thread title which state 'dislike' so I immediately enter the thread and vote 'no' only to discover the poll question state 'like' XD Obviously I like both the anime and manga :D |
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| I don't dislike it but it's quite overrated, this is strictly speaking about the 25 episodes of this anime only. The plot moved too slow, there were times where it felt like nothing happened, and the parts that filled in weren't overly interesting. And in the end not all that much happened either, people talk about some amazing story but not only was it not amazing but not enough happened. It's hard to judge the story on these 25 episodes but that's all you can do. The shock value that they tried to use so much wore out quite quickly as well, and the gruesome deaths that a lot of people love and make a big deal out of, well, read a seinen manga. It's nothing new, it's almost as if a lot of the SnK fanboys have never seen such violence in a series before. I can't fault the production of the series though, the music was very good, though certain tracks got tiresome cause they tried to use it for "impactful" moments too much, it felt at times like they were trying too hard. The visuals, though, were stunning. The cast though, well, other than Naruto, it probably has to be the worst cast for a big name series. Eren is an average protagonist and Mikasa pretty much has nothing to her other than her obsession with Eren which is boring anyway. This whole "Mikasa is hot" thing is bs, it doesn't make her a good character. Hanji is probably the best character since she's actually smart, entertaining and not some boring person standing around with her jaw dropped doing nothing in every scene cause she has no intelligence or courage(granted it was the first war for a lot of them but if you're not ready then why did you join?). Armin is also a shout for best character because he had great character development, going from useless crybaby to one of the better characters in the show and, in the end, being really useful and perceptive. Levi is cool cause there's more to him than the cold exterior that he shows, he's also rather perceptive and smart/wise. Pixis wasn't in it enough and same goes for Irvin. Other than that everybody was just extremely mundane. Sasha, all she had was the potato scene, though somehow that kept people thinking that she's actually noteworthy. That said, I'm not a hater, I don't dislike this show at all, I still gave it an 8/10 but it does have some glaring flaws that even the amazing production can't make up for. Even the manga, which is better than the anime and has had some good bits since the point where the manga ended, still hasn't touched on the story enough. I'm hoping the story starts getting better sooner rather than later but it's not something I'll drop even if it does take time. I have faith! |
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| Yup, this anime is quite mediocre. |
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| Hate i mostly see as a complement. Everything that gets good get hated eventually. The thing is, because it is in the top 30. Haters probably feel the need to stand out, and prove all those likers wrong. Personally i think someone is a bit retarded if they don't see that the makers put much work in this anime. Srry haters that's my honest opinion, you don't want me to lie to you guys don't you? |
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| Personally I really enjoy SnK and look forward to each new manga chapter. The anime, while deviated from the manga in a lot of areas, was an amazing adaptation. I think SnK deserve the popularity and attention it go but I can also see why people think it's overrated, specifically Levi who the author never intended to become as popular as he did. It seems like a lot of the fandom jumped on the Levi bandwagon, mainly fujioshi who are known for being the ones that buy merchandise obsessively... just look at some of the stupid merchandise they have or the Lawson advertisements. They pander so hard to yaoi fangirls it's pathetic and embarrassing to see since the actual show has no fanservice at all. Then there is Levi spin-off in a shoujo magazine to pander to the fangirls as well, which is taking away from the mystery of Levi's character. If anybody should be writing Levi's past it should be the author himself not give it to someone else to fill out. Long story short, I think this show deserved success because the story is good and consistent but the amount of popularity it got turned it into a cash cow that is pandering to fandom which I don't like. Just looking at the merchandise I can see how much of a sellout it has become. |
bloodswordzkill said: [...] It seems like a lot of the fandom jumped on the Levi bandwagon, mainly fujioshi who are known for being the ones that buy merchandise obsessively... just look at some of the stupid merchandise they have or the Lawson advertisements. They pander so hard to yaoi fangirls it's pathetic and embarrassing to see since the actual show has no fanservice at all. Then there is Levi spin-off in a shoujo magazine to pander to the fangirls as well, which is taking away from the mystery of Levi's character. If anybody should be writing Levi's past it should be the author himself not give it to someone else to fill out. [...] I think you should read that: http://soltarination.tumblr.com/post/69150083053/about-how-canon-kuinaki-sentaku-a-choice-without |
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| I usually heavily criticize popular shows (SAO, Danganronpa, Clannad: AS, WA2 etc.) but this was one of the shows that I legitimately enjoyed throughout. Whilst it's not the best thing ever (I like a lot of anime more than SnK), it still deserves it's popularity. I adore the ideas of it, the dystopian setting, the mystery behind it and the suspense it creates. |
Willard_Filmore said: I understand that some people just don't care for the show. However, it's different when they just rip away at it. I personally love the show, but I can point out its flaws here and there. The only time someone really "hates" it, is when they're doing it because they think it's "overrated". The common arguments are: "Eren is a crybaby of a main character and is too cliche." (Oh I'm sorry every character has to be badass and not show emotion. Besides, he saw his mom get devoured right in front of him. I'd be pretty damn pissed too) "Armin is the most useless character ever." (You obviously don't know shit) "The plot is not original." (I can understand that, but they took a good take on a common plot) "Summaries mother f*cker." (Yes...) "Too many flashbacks." (This is only partially true, some of them add a lot of effect) "It drags on too much." (The only time it really dragged on was during the time he had to prove to them he was human and their time in the Forest of Giant Trees before Eren goes ape shit on FT) "The mysteries are weak." (You have no idea what is coming) "The training time skip was too much!"(I can't believe you feel like watching a show about people for TRAINING 5 YEARS, SO INTERESTING) There are tons of others I could think of, but I don't feel like typing them. If you look at the reviews on this site, it seems that all of the bad ones are all by the same person but reworded. Just remember, if you love it, someone hates it. Love the way you address the common criticisms mate. I have heard the common criticism that the show has "massive pacing issues" which are a "serious flaw" all too often. When I enquire as to what exactly people mean by this they offer the training period as an example. But you are spot on, why would anyone want to watch years of training... And SnK spends a few episodes on their training anyway, it isn't like they just resort to one simple montage. With that in mind I will link Team America's clip satirising the montage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFrMLRQIT_k |
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| I dislike it. The plot makes no sense and it's confusing for me. And half of the time when I was reading the manga, I had no idea what was going on. Plus the character development was slow and everyone just looked like crap. And due to the overwhelming fanarts and fans in general it gets annoying for me to watch it. Another reason I don't like it is because it's way too plain, I like to see either comedy or action with lot of special powers like Fairy tail, it's great, nice fights, cool magics/special powers, etc. or like DBZ where they have the strongest fighters in the world and they save the world multiple times from beings who can destroy many planets. |
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| I didn't like it honestly. I think it has some good elements, but they made many things really bad. For example Annie, she has big role in the plot and they characterised her really badly. They didn't ever make her motives clear. I think many other characters are really shallow. |
| I have mixed feelings on the show. While the animation and sound I really enjoyed along with the action scenes, the characters and plot absolutely bring it down. The main characters are flat and boring, while none of the supporting characters are memorable at all outside of the constant posts the fanbase makes about Levi and Sasha. The plot is just slow and boring now. I enjoyed when it started out fast paced and mysterious with the titans, but the entire political aspect they introduce with the world-building really drags on and on. |
| I didn't really get/enjoy it till episode 4. after that it was ALL WIN. |
iCards said: I didn't really get/enjoy it till episode 4. after that it was ALL WIN. It was better without Titan shifters though. |
| And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible. |
| Lol after reading some arguments why they dislike AoT, I feel like killing myself. |
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genesic123 said: jeirin said: I honestly enjoy this series. A lot. I always enjoy talking about SNK to my friends and I love the humor and posts about SNK on Tumblr. In fact, I have a bad habit of getting really excited about it and talking about it to my sister. I tried getting my sister into it but for some reason after watching the first few episodes she claims that it's one of the worst anime series she's ever seen. She's always bashing it and it really aggravates me. I understand that she doesn't like it but it seems like she's always overreacting. It seems a lot of people really enjoy this series so it got me curious, does anyone actually dislike SNK? I don't mind if you do but I honestly just want to know if there are people who hate it just as much as my sister does. Also, if you dislike it I'd like to know why. I won't argue with anyone, I'm honestly just curious. I thought it lived up to the hype for the first few episodes . Then it quickly turned into your typical shonen. 1.Everybody was completely ret@rted in the face of mikasa to make her a "strong woman". 2.The plot was shonen-dragged on.it was so bad later on.Armins plot armored answers.The plans are so deliberately dumb. 3. And.Titanman. I like it,but it is just your typical shonen in the end.No way would i call it a masterpiece of storytelling. It had great animation only. 1. She's one of the best soldiers in the military. Of course people are scared of her. 2. What exactly is dragged out? How are Armin's plans "plot armored"? What makes the plans dumb? 3. I wouldn't call Aren's transformation typical........ This show is in no way a "typical shonen" in any sense of the word. |
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robis798 said: Lol after reading some arguments why they dislike AoT, I feel like killing myself. |
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robis798 said: Lol after reading some arguments why they dislike AoT, I feel like killing myself. |
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