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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- lol oh wow Elevator drop was overrated and in the end did almost no damage, except for europe having no more energy(nobody cares). Shitty death for one of the best characters in the series. being killed by faggy emotional son = gtfo One of the clowns is killed off quickly, nothing of value was lost. Episode rating 1/5 sure felt like a gundam seed destiny episode |
TechnicsMKIIFeb 1, 2009 12:24 AM
| stupid andrei is stupid |
| One of the best S2 episodes. And to think I was scared that this would not live up to greatness of 16.... So it seems, that we will get a timeskip, next episode. |
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| hamlet 2. |
Frito said: hamlet 2. My thoughts exactly! |
| Man, the best character just died. I hope this series doesn't fail in the end. |
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| He's the kind of character expected to be killed off soon or later unfortunately, but I seriously don't want him to die... Pretty much one of the few I really look up to in Gundam 00. What an unhappy week this week; We have in Clannad, and now in Gundam 00 |
| Andrei will regret this in the future. That, without doubt. It just confirms that Federation and A-Laws are full of retarded emos who wants revenge: -Billy: destroy CB at all cost because their tactician dumped you. -Graham: fight with the strongest without considering the situation + revenge -Ali: it's fun to kill and watch others suffer -Andrei: kill father because blame everything on them. -Louise: Kill CB because refuse to see the truth At least Mannequin has some common sense left. Ribbons wants to become god. That can't be good. You don't get peace with a megalomaniac as leader. Their own existence is a mistake on its own. Worse is that they don't realize it and think they're righteous and better than anyone else... So without elevator = energy crisis = chaos 4 months time jump this time. I wonder if Fed will once again blame everything on CB and Katharon.... And no, this does not make going to space faster. They are in an energy crisis, they have to dealt with that first. DeltaPlus said: Elevator drop was overrated and in the end did almost no damage, except for europe having no more energy(nobody cares). try to live without electricity. No electricity = no food = starvation = riot = destruction of civilization. quentinlau said: What an unhappy week this week; We have in Clannad, so it happens in episode 16 (not that I watch that series, but I knew the endings in the game....worst ending ever (in terms of sadness, not quality), I wonder why everyone must die) |
wakka9caFeb 1, 2009 12:26 PM
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| 00 Raiser really is a terrible Gundam. This is all opinions and subjective I'm sure, but 0 Raiser not only destroyed 00 Gundam's positive aesthetics, but also its positive story value. It's pretty much made the entire support network of Celestial Being and the other Meisters feel entirely worthless. The 'big bad Innobaitas' are treating as nothing more than mere Windam pilots from GSD now, and super weapons episodes ago that required incredibly strategy and cunning to defeat can be defeated by a 100 mile long beam saber. It was just total trash in my opinion. I've never been a big fan of Celestial Being proper, but why have them exist anymore? So Lyle can get his rushed, expected to be awful romance with Anew? Throw on another worthless subplot when there's 50 bigger things to resolve in the meantime. As for the Sergei thing, as much as I love his character, I can't feel anything for his death. He was defeated by a terrible character whose spent the whole season whining or calling Louise a man and telling her to get back in the kitchen who was another piece of character wood on to the pile of underdeveloped characters. It almost feels as if S2 is systematically destroying all the power block aces so we have no choice but to root for Celestial Being. Ali? He's now a wooden henchman serving Ribbons who is nothing but a bleating goat waiting to be slaughtered against 00 Raiser. Graham? He's dead, reborn as an egotistical maniac with no honor or pride except his own. Soma? She's a typical useless Gundam female character, relying entirely on her already useless boyfriend. All we're left is Patrick, and hopefully he isn't ruined too. |
Shinigami_Grahf said: If you're complaining about all these things, why don't you just go and try to make a better anime? Oh wait, you can't because you're just an observer. So just shut up, or don't watch at all. People like you who tries to act all professional with their pathetic reviews should just shut up, and go jump in a hole.00 Raiser really is a terrible Gundam. This is all opinions and subjective I'm sure, but 0 Raiser not only destroyed 00 Gundam's positive aesthetics, but also its positive story value. It's pretty much made the entire support network of Celestial Being and the other Meisters feel entirely worthless. The 'big bad Innobaitas' are treating as nothing more than mere Windam pilots from GSD now, and super weapons episodes ago that required incredibly strategy and cunning to defeat can be defeated by a 100 mile long beam saber. It was just total trash in my opinion. I've never been a big fan of Celestial Being proper, but why have them exist anymore? So Lyle can get his rushed, expected to be awful romance with Anew? Throw on another worthless subplot when there's 50 bigger things to resolve in the meantime. As for the Sergei thing, as much as I love his character, I can't feel anything for his death. He was defeated by a terrible character whose spent the whole season whining or calling Louise a man and telling her to get back in the kitchen who was another piece of character wood on to the pile of underdeveloped characters. It almost feels as if S2 is systematically destroying all the power block aces so we have no choice but to root for Celestial Being. Ali? He's now a wooden henchman serving Ribbons who is nothing but a bleating goat waiting to be slaughtered against 00 Raiser. Graham? He's dead, reborn as an egotistical maniac with no honor or pride except his own. Soma? She's a typical useless Gundam female character, relying entirely on her already useless boyfriend. All we're left is Patrick, and hopefully he isn't ruined too. |
KumojakiFeb 1, 2009 5:48 PM
| reminded me of a SEED episode which is kewl . liked the episode prolly one of the best so far |
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| This episode was pretty much amazing. Got to say this show is the highlight of my week lately with how the episodes have been. |
| Tragic that the Smirnov died. I found that 00 Risers giant beam sword was pretty epic. That does reminds me of Seed with their giant movable beams. With everyone working together was another plus. So I'd have to say this is my favorite episode so far. But it sounds like the next episode will be a little slow since the preview says it'll be 4 months later and they'll probably be explaining for those 4 months. |
Shinigami_Grahf said: 00 Raiser really is a terrible Gundam. This is all opinions and subjective I'm sure, but 0 Raiser not only destroyed 00 Gundam's positive aesthetics, but also its positive story value. It's pretty much made the entire support network of Celestial Being and the other Meisters feel entirely worthless. The 'big bad Innobaitas' are treating as nothing more than mere Windam pilots from GSD now, and super weapons episodes ago that required incredibly strategy and cunning to defeat can be defeated by a 100 mile long beam saber. It was just total trash in my opinion. I've never been a big fan of Celestial Being proper, but why have them exist anymore? So Lyle can get his rushed, expected to be awful romance with Anew? Throw on another worthless subplot when there's 50 bigger things to resolve in the meantime. As for the Sergei thing, as much as I love his character, I can't feel anything for his death. He was defeated by a terrible character whose spent the whole season whining or calling Louise a man and telling her to get back in the kitchen who was another piece of character wood on to the pile of underdeveloped characters. It almost feels as if S2 is systematically destroying all the power block aces so we have no choice but to root for Celestial Being. Ali? He's now a wooden henchman serving Ribbons who is nothing but a bleating goat waiting to be slaughtered against 00 Raiser. Graham? He's dead, reborn as an egotistical maniac with no honor or pride except his own. Soma? She's a typical useless Gundam female character, relying entirely on her already useless boyfriend. All we're left is Patrick, and hopefully he isn't ruined too. In fact, you are partially correct. However, in the first half of the first season, I did not comprehend the whole point of CB and what they were trying to do back then. In Season 2, the screenwriters made their justice blatantly clear. On the other hand, it makes the villains a bit stupid and too easy to hate. Still, the plot is still pretty decent. The laser sword, though, was a bit lame. The physics of it is completely fantasy. |
wakka9caFeb 1, 2009 6:17 PM
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| I don't know if this is just me after watching the shitpile that was Afro Samurai Resurrection but that was amazing. Other thoughts: The shitty death thing was annoying... Andrei is a total bitch. The elevator drop did like 0 damage (annoying). Louise is still a cunt. And I'm sort of annoyed that Saji is getting to be a main character - die already...preferably with the aforementioned cunt. Then again maybe not...Saji isn't so annoying now. Who knows. But still wow. Great episode, still... this show delivers. Kinda. |
| fuck you andrei |
| I THINK WE ALL FORGOT ABOUT DIVINE HERE. Sarcasm aside, Sergei was an excellent character, but then, he has been death flagged for a long time coming now. And after that Death Star I troll, we should've seen this coming. I'm waiting for some Soma revenge now, though. |
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| Oh dear, A-LAWS once again proves they're nothing but ego-centric vengeful bastards. I definitely hope Andrei and Louise get killed. |
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Gradation said: If you're complaining about all these things, why don't you just go and try to make a better anime? Oh wait, you can't because you're just an observer. So just shut up, or don't watch at all. People like you who tries to act all professional with their pathetic reviews should just shut up, and go jump in a hole. You're the one getting all bent out of shape. Don't get all butt hurt because I didn't eat the episode up. Or are you the opinion police? |
Wasabi said: Oh dear, A-LAWS once again proves they're nothing but ego-centric vengeful bastards. I definitely hope Andrei and Louise get killed. noooo not Lousie! Then how will we get SajixLouise |
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| This was a pretty epic episode. Can't wait for 18~ PS: If 00 has a giant beam saber, why didn't he use it earlier against big mobs of A-LAWS. It would be like GN-Bazooka except it lasts way longer :D |
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| I find all the hate amusing, it was an epic episode, easily the best in the series so far. It's not like the Orbital Elevator is going to have zero consequences, just because everyone avoided a mass-murder (epic scene btw). And yeah, Andrei isn't my favorite character, but this is war, and people die in war. Could have been Andrei, could have been Louise, could have been a nameless grunt that shot Sergei down. In war, people die senselessly all the time, sometimes by a veteran, sometimes by a rookie, sometimes by simple bad luck, I find it amusing when people demand that every death have meaning and be at the hands of an ace in a war show. Anyway, thought it was a great ending scene, Manly Tears. As for Divine....you got owned, my friend, sorry. OO Raiser super beam saber was awesome. EDIT: I also love being one of the few people who like Saji and Louise and find their story interesting. |
Shinigami_Grahf said: You're the one getting all bent out of shape. Don't get all butt hurt because I didn't eat the episode up. Or are you the opinion police? LOL, although I didn't agree with your previous post (and I think you're just over-analyzing a bit)...I couldn't help but laugh at that post XD "opinion police" ahahahaha.....*sighs*, I'm so easily amused :(...I'm such a dork. Sushikins said: EDIT: I also love being one of the few people who like Saji and Louise and find their story interesting. Alright highfive!! I also love the Saji and Louise story :D although I'm a bit annoyed at Louise at the moment. I'm loving Saji more and more, is it just me or is he getting cooler? XD And I agree with how amusing the random hate towards this episode is. I absolutely loved this episode, I actually teared up at the part when everyone started working together *sniff*...peace is such a wonderful thing~.........until a stupid ignorant son kills his father :( The light saber thing was kinda corny...and I laughed at Divine's instant death :P |
| wow, that was a great episode. it was awesome to see everyone fighting together, even if it was just for a short while. and i was just getting to thinking that maybe hercules would make it through the episode alive and then BAM. but i was surprised about sergei. i figured he'd die at some point, but i didn't expect it to happen in this episode. i got chills when the ed started playing at that point. he was one of the few really good characters i thought, it's sad to see him go. |
| Great episode. Less talk, more giant space explosions. I also like how Hercules and Smirnov were watching the cars full of civilians tumble to their deaths, and then just gtfo of the tower. XD One thing that's always bothered me about the series is how polarized and one-dimensional "rivalries" are between the pilots. I'm a little sad to see how the Marie/douche-son subplot will turn out. Maybe Allelujah will talk her out of vengence with hot tent sex. I'm glad that they're jumping forward in time as well, so that we'll be able to see the consequences of the tower collapsing. Do the solar panels still work? Is the tower repairable? I'm intrigued. |
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Sushikins said: I find all the hate amusing, it was an epic episode, easily the best in the series so far. It's not like the Orbital Elevator is going to have zero consequences, just because everyone avoided a mass-murder (epic scene btw). And yeah, Andrei isn't my favorite character, but this is war, and people die in war. Could have been Andrei, could have been Louise, could have been a nameless grunt that shot Sergei down. In war, people die senselessly all the time, sometimes by a veteran, sometimes by a rookie, sometimes by simple bad luck, I find it amusing when people demand that every death have meaning and be at the hands of an ace in a war show. this...war is not happy fun time. people die, most people don't die epically like we usually see in anime, and while Andrei is a stupid mega douche, this is a pretty appropriate death I'd say |
wakka9ca said: The laser sword, though, was a bit lame. The physics of it is completely fantasy. have you ever tried making a GN-Drive?!!? or piloting a gundam!? oh wait... it's FANTASY thats why it's called ANIME!! it's not real!! why the laser sword have to be REAL!? OMG!! WHO CARES ABOUT PHYSICS!? |
| Changing for the Sake of the future |
| another worthless innovator died. some ok action with every actually fighting together briefly until Andrei went into retard mode, not even giving his father a chance. Hope Marie kills him in the end. After his lecturing to Louise he shows his idiot side. Was obvious Sergei was going to die sometime soon, was a crappy way for him though. Katy had a little common sense which was the only really redeeming factor. season 1 was more enjoyable. Not looking forward to more of Marrina's daycare time or more liies by the government about how it was all anti government. |
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| Epic episode! About Andrei killing Sergei. Tbh I think he was the man for the job. I agree that Andrei is a spineless bitch that has been whining whole season 2 how is dad killed his mum but that aside who was better to kill Sergei? One of the pulled from the hat innovator pilots (they seem to be only good at dying so far), Ali, Graham (they are both hot for Setsuna so I don't think they would be even remotely interested in Sergei), Patric (seems to be assigned to driving duty) or Louise? From all the characters with names on A-Laws side Andrei was the best character to kill Sergei. |
| Vae Victis |
| generaly a good episode, thou I find the giant laser sword a little iritating. I also didn't like Sergei dying, mainly becouse it seems they gonna kill all the "good guys on the wrong side" (Mannequin is the only one left I think) wich will give another "pure good vs. pure evil" crap. S1 at least had a lot of good characters with diffrent opinions how to achive peace and you could side with eaither of them. but still very enjoyable episode |
| That was the most epic/manly episode of 00 so far and Andrei is one Oedipus bitch. I know that I like talking about how military impressive the A-laws are, but their narrow mindedness is getting old. Andrei and Louise are just idiots who need to die already and Billy needs to get bitch slapped really hard. It was also kind of saddening how they killed off another innovator so easily. Anyways I kind of expected the elevator drop to be more chaotic. I'm not saying it was bad, but seeing something that large hardly destroy anything and only create a cloud of silicon was pretty disappointing. As a final thought Domon's sword is way cooler than Setsuna's |
Zehel00Feb 1, 2009 11:28 PM
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| I liked it. If the A-Laws can have a second mega-madori laser, why cant OO have a mega-laser sword? And ya know what? I like it all. I like Saji and Louise, and I hope they hook up again. Other wise, if he makes it out I guess Saji can go back to Louise's mom. I am bummed about Sergei a bit, but his character has been wrapping up, he doesn't have purpose anymore. I guess it might have been cool if he hooked up with CB. ALSO, I like Seed, and Destiny, and I ain't sorry for it neither! |
| I couldn't find a word to expressed how great this episode is. The animation and CG are really great. I want to say how amazing they portray the feeling when everyone stop fighting and start to shot those piece of trash that falling onto earth without someone orders to do it. It is like how everyone start to unite together when they realized what is right or wrong thing to do. Dreamtheater2112 said: To put it simply, NOT everyone could died in a hero way. And I thought Sergei had already done his best before he was killed.Sushikins said: this...war is not happy fun time. people die, most people don't die epically like we usually see in anime, and while Andrei is a stupid mega douche, this is a pretty appropriate death I'd sayI find all the hate amusing, it was an epic episode, easily the best in the series so far. It's not like the Orbital Elevator is going to have zero consequences, just because everyone avoided a mass-murder (epic scene btw). And yeah, Andrei isn't my favorite character, but this is war, and people die in war. Could have been Andrei, could have been Louise, could have been a nameless grunt that shot Sergei down. In war, people die senselessly all the time, sometimes by a veteran, sometimes by a rookie, sometimes by simple bad luck, I find it amusing when people demand that every death have meaning and be at the hands of an ace in a war show. |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| screw you andrei. RIP smirnov... time skip after this. that'll be interesting. also, way to grow some balls Saji, and join celestial being proper i do have to admit though, that the letter at the end made me laugh. all numbers? even if it is code... |
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| It still amuses me, ever since he sat his ass in Raiser, how Saji can take om like 10 G-forces :) Anyways, loved the ep. I almost cried but I'm over it now and can sleep. The A-LAWS are crazy and cruel! Once in a while we need a vivid reminder, which I think comes in the form of G00 well, on the consequences of war. It is a cliche story but touching. Seeing the people unable to escape the collapse (the escape shuttles) made me a little angry. That A-LAWS group just makes me mad. All of this and monopoly. I respect Mannequin (nods). Geez Ribbons, stop being so charming! I love Furuya Tohru; "Furuya = main image of Amuro", yeah right. |
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luigi21 said: thank you retarted gundam fan speaking physics lolwakka9ca said: The laser sword, though, was a bit lame. The physics of it is completely fantasy. have you ever tried making a GN-Drive?!!? or piloting a gundam!? oh wait... it's FANTASY thats why it's called ANIME!! it's not real!! why the laser sword have to be REAL!? OMG!! WHO CARES ABOUT PHYSICS!? |
| Hmmm, quite a nice episode in some areas and not so great in others. The battle with the innovator was horrible, the 00 raiser really went overboard with this one annihilating the ship in one shot T_T and the orbital elevator's falling didn't really do anything but dragged on for ages Then Hercules and Smirnov died D: *waves first at Andrei* noooo colonel D: |
| Forgot to add. The scene when Kataron, A-LAWS, Cb and the Feds come together to shoot down the heated panels was great! |
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| great ep and great ending to a graceful character. |
| This is what i am waiting for. Massive amount of beam spam but instead of fighting against each other, everyone decide to fend of the tiles. What a fucking great episode. 00 beam saber? I lol'd. I was going F YEAH until the last 2 minute... damn you Andrei you will die a horrible death for killing your own father. Devine part is quite short though, meh to me he is just a named grunt, even though bearing the name of an Innovator (besides Regene and Tieria and MAYBE Anew, the other Innovators seems like a pawn to me) |
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| Hercules and Smirnov kinda died in an instant, well not in the orbital elevators. Their deaths were kinda predicted though. And after so much hardwork for the people to build the orbital elevators, just 1 shot destroyed it. Anyway, nothing was really destroyed and the town was still protected. And i guess this also means that the peple have less energy to use. |
| ~Friendship is so sweet that it can cause tooth decay~ ~Respect the losers, cause without them, there'll be no winners~ |
| Best episode thus far. |
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| Epic episode. Especially for a mecha lover like myself. The number of Mobile Suits was truly impressive. As for Sergei's death, I'm satisfied with it. I'm sure he was as well. |
| Why good guys never eject :'( I'm gonna miss Wild Boar |
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