Illegal Streaming and Downloading

Motivation
Some of the motives for engaging in the illegal activity of copyright infringement are the following:[7]

Pricing – unwillingness or inability to pay the price requested by the legitimate sellers

Unavailability – no legitimate sellers providing the product in the country of the end-user: not yet launched there, already withdrawn from sales, never to be sold there, geographical restrictions on online distribution and international shipping

Usefulness – the legitimate product comes with various means (DRM, region lock, DVD region code, Blu-ray region code) of restricting legitimate use (backups, usage on devices of different vendors, offline usage) or comes with annoying non-skippable advertisements and anti-piracy disclaimers, which are removed in the pirated product making it more desirable for the end-user

Shopping experience – no legitimate sellers providing the product with the required quality through online distribution and through a shopping system with the required level of user-friendliness

Anonymity - Downloading works does not require identification whereas downloads directly from the website of the copyright owner often require a valid email address and/ or other credentials

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement

ZetaZaku said:
Is it really illegal if you watch TV-rips? Everyone is free to record their favorite show. If they share it for free it's no big deal. DVD/BD rips are a different thing though. Sharing those is illegal.

Nidstang said:
I really do not care to be brutally honest. I mean, I DON'T have the money, and because of that he wants me to wait till I watch a show. I'm not gonna do that.

1) Illegal Streaming and Downloading in USA(and AUS, CA etc) is not necessary, because of legal alternatives which are also free (crunchyroll, hulu and others)

2) Illegal Streaming and Downloading is „morally“ wrong, and you shouldn‘t do it.

3) Even if you buy the BluRay etc. later it‘s still bad to use illegal services.

4) Anime is not expensive, buying things is possible

4.2) Hobbies are supposed to be costly,

you cannot have a Hobby that doesn‘t cost money.

Orsonius said:
Look at Shingeki no Kyoujin. It airs right now, people can watch it thanks to torrents and streams, the sales for not only preorders but also the Manga has gone up greatly.

Orsonius said:
So apparently the MAL community is pretty protective of their illegal downloading habbit.

Are there any more crusaders like him?
Why does he give a shit about what other people do? It's not like it affects him.
He can buy his shit and leave everyone alone.

Also I think thanks to torrents and streams sales for many titles go up.

Look at Shingeki no Kyoujin. It airs right now, people can watch it thanks to torrents and streams, the sales for not only preorders but also the Manga has gone up greatly.

And something else has been mentioned what I think is true.

There is no inherent benefit in watching it on "legal streaming sites"

A) Do I think streaming is inferior compared to downloading (or buying) so Crunchy Roll doesn't offer me a better alternative to Torrents
B) Are other streaming sites for free as well, and have a larger pool on what I can watch, without region restriction
C) Fansubs can have their benefits over Crunchsubs.

nub said:
But breakin' the law feels so good...

Orsonius said:

Why does he give a shit about what other people do? It's not like it affects him.

Nidstang said:
I never realized how many there were that hated Arkada. How amusing.

RarityRoyale said:
Screw that guy. I stream almost everything I watch illegally and then buy the DVD after if I feel that it's worth it. And the only reason I can afford to do that is because I'm a teenager with a part time job who has every living necessity provided for her. Not a lot of people can afford to buy everything they watch, so I say to pirate on!

Orsonius said:
Look at Shingeki no Kyoujin. It airs right now, people can watch it thanks to torrents and streams, the sales for not only preorders but also the Manga has gone up greatly.

Orsonius said:


I never hated him, I just find him unpleasant, his reviews are never really critical, he seems to be happy with everything. And his jokes are vicariously embarrassing.

Also he wears clothing like he is cosplaying on some anime convention, which makes him look like a douche.

Mem521 said:


Don't forget he has no other hobby but anime apparently.

I for example spend all my hard earned money on Music equipment, like Cabs, Amps and Guitars. Those are fucking expensive.
I also buy a lot of other things I either do as a hobby or need that have no free alternative.

If I'd spend it all on anime, I basically would have to give up on everything else.

Nidstang said:
And who cares about the fucking dub?! That's not a factor that decides if the show is good or bad.

Orsonius said:


Oh man you have no idea how much I hate that.
Maybe the only thing I really hate about him.
Why is he so obsessed with dubs.

First of: Not everyone is american or native english speaker.
These people don't give a shit about the american dub, they don't care about the voiceactors or how well it sounds.

American VA < Japanese.
Because it's fucking japanese in the first place. Watching shows dubbed is retarded, in any medium. Not only does meaning get lost, the actors also convey emotions with their original voices.

Mostly american dubs for anime sound really awkward because 'murricah! Everyone sounds so damn off.

Argh.

mitch3315 said:
Tell him to get back to me when:

1. Crunchyroll stream all airing series
2. When Crunchyroll stop region locking content

Mem521 said:
He also talks about how anime is cheaper comparatively, but it is still very very expensive all together. Paying $35 for 12 episodes isn't cheap at all (even though for the amount of entertainment you get for your money is good), by the time you buy a whole series you're paying over $100. How many series and how many movies are you going to pay over $100 for? It’s a wealthy guy with lots of wall scrolls and extra cash that can spend it on all that stuff.

SaberRitsu said:

Anyway bottom line, downloading and illegal streaming isn't the problem. It's the fact that people aren't buying anime as a result. It's very much possible to download and buy anime. It's just that a lot people take the easy way out because they think their dollar won't make a difference. But when you consider there's about million other people who think the exact same way as you, there's definitely some amount of money that the creators are entitled to but won't be getting.

SaberRitsu said:

People say that we don't make a difference but it's been proven time and time again that we do. Just look at Watamote. Or Trigun. Or The Big O. Of course there are definitely circumstances where buying anime is not an option. But judging by the responses, I'd say a large majority of you do not fall into that category.

SaberRitsu said:

As for where I stand, I download a majority of my anime (You tell me how to buy Heartcatch Precure and I'll be right on board) but I still actively buy anime when I'm not spending money on other things. I also have a CR membership and watch anime on there every now and then

SaberRitsu said:

However, I find illegal streaming to be the absolute worst option of watching anime. Not only does it not support the creators but it looks fucking horrible. Crunchyroll is fine because of the higher quality video and HD but I can't fathom why anyone would want to stream anime like that. If you aren't intending on supporting the work of the creators, you could at least download a high quality version of it so you can appreciate the work they put into it.

4) Anime is not expensive, buying things is possible

Jaguer91 said:
He... I've never paid for watch anime and I don't think I do.
If I have the option to watch it for free, why would I pay?
Besides most anime don't deserve a cent.

crosby_87 said:


Just curious, how much would you sell 12 episodes for? Plus I doubt what he meant was that you had to buy every single anime you want to watch.

destinyunknown said:


Why would you buy food in the supermarket when you can steal it? Don't use that logic because it's a complete fallacy.

KAIOKEN1113 said:
I find streaming alright (like animefreak.tv), if once in awhile the user supports an industry by buying the anime (obviously ones they really like) but I am not too much of a fan of downloading anime.

destinyunknown said:


Why would you buy food in the supermarket when you can steal it? Don't use that logic because it's a complete fallacy.

I never post here and I'm not on any ''side'' of the argument (because where I live, Spain, you actually have to pay for music / films / series you download ''ilegally'' even if you don't do it and before you do so, so I'm actually paying for this, lol...)

daintybiscuit said:
I'd watch this video if he wasn't so goddamn long-winded. seriously, really?

Orsonius said:


Why no? It makes no logical sense to dislike it compared to watching shows on shit like animefreak (with terrible quality and taht stupid logo).



I just don't find it good to be downloading it to your computer if it is already available find and dandy for streaming, I dont know what streaming sites you have been on, but anime freak doesnt have a logo, the visual and audio quality isnt terrible, it looks the same, the variety of anime is HUGE both new and old, if ads are really that much for you use adblock, the buffer really depends on your internet connection and video player (all the popular series will have that good video player). Every single X on that chart is invalid except for 2, one being the future viewing which in my opinion is quite stupid, and 2, which it really didnt say but is somewhat like it, many series not have a dub attached to it. Now I read earlier you said that you prefer sub anyways, so that shouldnt matter to you.

KAIOKEN1113 said:


I just don't find it good to be downloading it to your computer if it is already available find and dandy for streaming, I dont know what streaming sites you have been on, but anime freak doesnt have a logo, the visual and audio quality isnt terrible, it looks the same, the variety of anime is HUGE both new and old, if ads are really that much for you use adblock, the buffer really depends on your internet connection and video player (all the popular series will have that good video player). Every single X on that chart is invalid except for 2, one being the future viewing which in my opinion is quite stupid, and 2, which it really didnt say but is somewhat like it, many series not have a dub attached to it. Now I read earlier you said that you prefer sub anyways, so that shouldnt matter to you.

destinyunknown said:


When you buy any sort of media player (be it a computer, an Ipod, an mp3, a TV and even a computer monitor) you're forced to pay a ''special tax'' which was enforced to ''prevent piracy''. The logic behind that tax is, supposedly ''we know you're going to download stuff ilegally so we're going to make you pay for it'' (or I guess so).

You also have to pay that tax if you buy a music album, a film dvd or whatever because the government assumes you're going to copy it and distribute it amongst your friends.

So yeah I know what I'm talking about, lol.

And I'm not going to bother arguing about the stealing / downloading thing because I honestly don't feel like it, but it's not as paper clear as you said. Not by any means. So stop being so condescending.

Orsonius said:


On your pc you can watch it whenever you like, it does not require internet connection. You can put it on your tablet, even phone or laptop and watch it in the train, on vacation (without internet), or anywhere you like.

The logo is apparently not on animefreak (mistaken it with anime44)

The audio is terrible, the picture as well see here I just took some screenshots:



Future viewing is stupid?
I love future viewing, I watch either episodes or entire shows more than one time, for example with friends. I just take my laptop to their place and we watch a nice BD rip together.

KAIOKEN1113 said:

Okay, with the black borders, I must say there is, but DEFINITELY not as much as that comparison shows, obviously it will have borders when it isnt a 16:9 show (meaning old), but even so, it does have just a TINY border somewhere on the video regardless of the aspect ratio. For sound, I still dont understand, because to me, it sounds fine, it isnt like I cant hear them. And finally, one point was the "skippable opening and ending, and also going back and forth requires buffer" Like I said, it depends on the video player. Once you load the page with the video, if it completely black with just a small play button in the middle of it, then yes, it is shit. But that usually is only for unpopular anime. As for popular/normal anime, once the page loads, if the option is 2UPLOADS or the Anime Freak Video Player, it barely takes any time to load the video, then immediately starts playing, and easily can skip the opening and ending (if you want an example, go to Fairy Tail episode 175 which has both good players)