Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse Episode 8 Discussion

TyjosAzari said:
At least Yuuya had his hero moment this episode saving Inia and Cryska for sure....

But still to me for some reason I wish he had made some comment on how cliched that girl looked with a pipe of all things...then again expecting Yuuya to throw in a witty comment is highly unlikely.

Araragi93 said:

Sure, the bullying and attempted rape was a bit extreme

gene098 said:
Okay so for the person who posted all those screen shots in the beginning.

You are imagining thins that are not happening, though it's good to rage because at those fagots for what they did you are making things up....

1)That guy did not fondle her through her clothes, as you can see his arm didn't move.

2)He did not harass her private areas.

gene098 said:
3)What he did do that was fucked up was that he started talking about striping, rapping, tieing them up, unbuckling his belt, and he licked her...hair?(Good thing her ears don't show and the animation did a good job of making it seem like he licked air instead.)

Hydnlife said:
Punk ass fucking kid got let off easy someone needed to at least snap one of their arm so they can learn a lession not mess with em, i would've done that, eff rank in those situation.

And it kinda sad now that Japanese doll and top gun are getting along now gonna miss the back and forth bickering between those to.

Aversa said:
Those kids where angry for being treated like trash but the actions they took i can conclude nothing more then the fact that they are trash.
If they don't want to be treated as trash they should not behave as trash.
And what's worse judging from the things they said they did things like that before in my opinion they should not end up as Beta food but they should suffer the same humiliation if not something worse.

Why would you worry about discrimination and who you send to the battlefield if your entire species is almost at the point of being wiped out.
You should focus on your enemy and not each other and you should send out anyone who is capable of fighting no matter where they come from or how they look or whatever there background may be.

Blitzschnell said:


You know, its possible that they were once humiliated the same way before, hence they're passing down the hate. They are still kids, and kids are easily influenced and modelled by their environment, especially this lot sent directly to war. Latrova doesn't seem to give two hoots about the lot as long as they aren't directly causing trouble, and there might be worse superiors out there.

To them, they are already treated like trash. They already given up on any hope of "escape from this life" and have to resort to such vuglar methods to vent their anger, because they simply have no luxury to do it any other way. These aren't noble kids volunteering to be soldiers. These are kids forced to be drafted into the army to defend the front lines, complete with the knowledge that Russians just fled outright to safety. It becomes a mindset of "why should I focus on the enemy and get eaten up when they are hiding in safety? The entire species is in danger and not everyone is doing their part!"

I know that shouldn't be the mentality of soldiers, but remember, they were forced to be soldiers, so their mentality is of children, utterly crushed by war and the unfairness of their own species.

I sound like defending them (and admit I am to some extent), but I'm pointing out that humans as a whole species isnt actually very noble. This anime actually pretty much depicts reality if BETA really invade our world. (Seriously, we won't just miraclously unite against them, there will be friction, notably national friction still existing.) What more can we expect out of a bunch of kids forced to fight.

Aversa said:
They mentioned striping them and then tying them up in one of the hangers to leave them to there fate in other words they where planning to have them raped and mentioned they did that before.
Public rape is the worst kind of humiliation not to mention physically and mentally harming a person in the worst kind of way it's a unforgivable act.
And they where also planning to do so themselves luckily Yuuya came in to help them just in time to stop them.
They might have been humiliated themselves but i doubt it was as bad as what they where doing.

There anger is understandable but there are other ways to deal with there anger what there doing now will only make things worse for them.
It will only result in even worse treatment then they already have.

I also mentioned in my first post that everyone who is capable of fighting or maintaining a unit should be send to the front lines no matter there background or looks.
Everyone should get the same treatment looks origins and religions should not make a difference.
I thought the Soviet Union just send everyone to the army they could no matter the background of the person but here in the Muvluv universe it appears to be different.

Blitzschnell said:


Precisely, in the MuvLuv world it is radically different. You're stating the ideal wish of sending everyone capable to the front lines, which isn't the case. Racism, Religion issues and Nationalist issues are still at play in the Muv Luv world, except this time it determines who's going to die at the front lines and who gets to be safe and play with expensive toys.

Political powers are still pulling strings, because people refuse to let go of said powers and control. That remains the sad truth.

"There are other ways to deal with their anger." I seriously doubt that sentence holds any merit. Here the kids are, deprived of basically everything except really basic needs and a death sentence to the BETA. Acting welcome and noble won't get them out of the front lines. To them, their existence is already the worst treatment possible by the their own species (referring to political powers.)

They are victims of power. Public humiliation may be a great mental trauma, but they are dying victims of power that no longer give a care about that. What they want is power, and even if it means brutally physically and mentally destroying another person they will do it, because they have reached the dead-end of despair in terms of power & control.

You're looking at this (and the world) from an idealist' point of view. Reality in the MLA universe isn't like that.

Now even I'm feeling I'm giving too much pity to those kids (who don't deserve it), but I guess I took a too-serious outlook at this anime.

Aversa said:
Again those kids even if you say that dealing with there anger in other way doesn't hold any merits to them, what there doing now will only come back to haunt them.
What do you think will happen to them when the political powers learn what they where doing.
The girls would get the same treatment they gave there victims the guys will probably get tortured.
They didn't take the consequences of there actions into account.

Blitzschnell said:
A good read for those complaining about inconsistency.



So basically, MLA:TE was planned to be like Episodes 3-5. Episodes 1-2 were created with contrast on purpose, but proved too popular they decided to make the series somewhat like that. But they needed time, so they extended fanservice episodes (codenamed Intermission) as 6-7, so they had time to make serious arcs.

So basically, 1-2 is action-mecha, 3-5 was tamed-down arc, 6-7 was fanservice & intermission to last minute changes, 8-onwards is back to serious action since it was so welcomed.

Expect 1 last inconsistency around episode 10, because the director was changed at that point of time.

With all these last minute changes, no wonder the director was dead-exhausted and made so many mistakes, not the mention the crazy animation he did in 1-2 that he probably needed to replicate 8-onwards.

LordofHomo said:

You have God awful reading comprehension. The vast majority of that was talking about the light novel series, not the anime.

Episodes 1 & 2 are an anime original attempt to replicate the original VN trilogy and a poorly executed one at that. There's no way they changed the story due to the popularity of episodes 1-2 because most of the story has already been written, years ago. That entire blog post is about how they had to make an intermission to expand the plot of the light novels, when they were still being published. Because of TE's unexpected popularity, they had to write the intermission chapters, to stall and give themselves time to write what came next. This was back in 2007-8, before your much lauded episodes 1-2 of TE were a twinkle in anyone's eyes; there was no last minute change with regards to the plot or tone of the show.

The only bit about the TE anime in that post is about how he expected them to use two episodes for the intermission chapters and how he thinks that "two episodes is a bit long" and that they're light on fluff, though it does replicate important convos word for word in the second episode at least. He even states that there's nothing to say about the anime episodes themselves.

tl;dr - Episodes 1-2, or their popularity, did not have any influence on the story because the story of TE, because it was penned years ago. If you'd read that blog post properly, you'd have realised most of it was about the LNs, which episodes 1-2 have/had absolutely zero impact upon.

The anime seems inconsistent because the staff behind it are horrendously bad. Not because of reception of the first two episodes; they were just created to sucker in 14-year-old gore fanatics to give a taste of what ML can be like, which worked pretty well.

If you're going to be a secondary, apply yourself at the very least, because anyone who's even remotely familiar with the series knows that the TE LN series was written a while ago and would be able to deduce that the staff of the 2012 anime have almost zero effect on the story or direction it takes, apart from perhaps, the very end, which may or may not differ from the future VN.

Blitzschnell said:

Precisely, in the MuvLuv world it is radically different. You're stating the ideal wish of sending everyone capable to the front lines, which isn't the case. Racism, Religion issues and Nationalist issues are still at play in the Muv Luv world, except this time it determines who's going to die at the front lines and who gets to be safe and play with expensive toys.

Phaetons_Folly said:

The Ironic thing is that racism, nationalism and religious differences the grounds for not allowing people to fight. A government can’t last without the support of its military so minorities rarely get to fight and are put under a tight leash if they do. The anti-Russian sentiment in that unit was so widespread and accepted that I don’t understand why they haven’t already mutinied. They would most likely only have to kill only a few officers to take control of the base, and then they can bargain with the government for whatever concessions they want to have in order to keep on fighting.

Phaetons_Folly said:

The Ironic thing is that racism, nationalism and religious differences the grounds for not allowing people to fight. A government can’t last without the support of its military so minorities rarely get to fight and are put under a tight leash if they do. The anti-Russian sentiment in that unit was so widespread and accepted that I don’t understand why they haven’t already mutinied. They would most likely only have to kill only a few officers to take control of the base, and then they can bargain with the government for whatever concessions they want to have in order to keep on fighting.