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maxie said: KaitoDash said: Wasabi said: KaitoDash said: But on a low side, I'm neither Japanese nor American, but I just hate racism this show is implying. I hope they will try to express it in a more pleasant way. Expressing racism in a pleasant way? How does that work? So far I have a feeling that the show is portraying American as racists against Japanese, which means that whoever in charge of this show (Japanese) is kind of a racist against American. They express the two countries in a way that makes American looks extremely bad for their racism and makes Japanese looks so good for their humbleness and whatever. And I don't appreciate this at all. I think they should not try so hard to show Japanese greatness. I don't know. I might be over-thinking things. Well, at the same time as they show americans as being bad, Yui suffers from the Japanese arrogance, which, in my opinion, is almost as bad as the racism. But yeah, in the Muv Luv universe, the Americans are asses, that's the way it's written - so you do have a point. YAMATO DAMASHII is fine if you're Ikaruga though. But Walken was a pretty cool guy for an American. At least I thought so. By the end of Alternative I think most people should be able to understand the US's support of G-bombs and other such flaws, Takeru was able to see their reasoning in it. Not only that, but it goes out of its way to mention that not all American's are like this (many of them supported Susanoo/Alternative IV instead.) Although I admit their usage of refugees over their own troops is a bit cowardly, as is their lack of S-11's, but how many American made suits are even sent on hive infiltrations? Most infiltrations haven't been done by American's so the S-11 wouldn't be as useful. I think most countries would also probably rather field refugees over their own men if they could... And even if America played a part in it, Japan was the one who needed a coup d'etat to unify itself. So yeah, nobody is perfect in the Muv-Luv universe. |
| What i don't understand here was the hatred against the Japanese even after reading some of the commends posted it's almost like there is still hatred left from WW2 here but then the Germans and that Italian guy should be hated as well. And it wasn't only the Americans who seemed to have a form of hatred against the Japanese but also the Russians. Also the words they used all came down to the Japanese being cowards who use underhanded techniques yet as far as i know of Japanese there pretty much the opposite of that. I also have questions about the units. The units they showed last episode all appeared to be older units i won't call them outdated but it's a bit strange for them to be on a test side for new units. I mean if this was 2001 why isn't there a Eurofighter Typhoon or a Sukhoi su30 especially since the F-22 Raptor was mentioned. |
KaitoDash said: It's possible. He is not the only one. We can correlate that on Jinrui and the creator's hatred for anime declining humanity.Wasabi said: KaitoDash said: But on a low side, I'm neither Japanese nor American, but I just hate racism this show is implying. I hope they will try to express it in a more pleasant way. Expressing racism in a pleasant way? How does that work? So far I have a feeling that the show is portraying American as racists against Japanese, which means that whoever in charge of this show (Japanese) is kind of a racist against American. They express the two countries in a way that makes American looks extremely bad for their racism and makes Japanese looks so good for their humbleness and whatever. And I don't appreciate this at all. I think they should not try so hard to show Japanese greatness. I don't know. I might be over-thinking things. As strange as it seems there seems to be a strong voicing out of creators or directors in anime to make clear some of their discontent. BOTH ARE BAD! While one makes anime look bad no matter what this one makes a DISGUSTING reality being tried to be eliminated resurface. This truly is sad to hear. |
Aversa said: What i don't understand here was the hatred against the Japanese even after reading some of the commends posted it's almost like there is still hatred left from WW2 here but then the Germans and that Italian guy should be hated as well. And it wasn't only the Americans who seemed to have a form of hatred against the Japanese but also the Russians. Also the words they used all came down to the Japanese being cowards who use underhanded techniques yet as far as i know of Japanese there pretty much the opposite of that. I also have questions about the units. The units they showed last episode all appeared to be older units i won't call them outdated but it's a bit strange for them to be on a test side for new units. I mean if this was 2001 why isn't there a Eurofighter Typhoon or a Sukhoi su30 especially since the F-22 Raptor was mentioned. I'm pretty sure the Eagle's, while old, are using special parts. It actually makes sense, because the Eagle has been the mainstay for a lot of forces and the US still produces and fields an incredible number of them. So furthering development for them would be a logical step since the Raptor hasn't been produced in nearly as high a quantity. They also have an Active Eagle with them which uses technology from the F-22 for example. |
| Finally watched the episode and i don't see why everyone hate Yui and not Yuuya. Seriously, he's a dick because he had hard childhood? Okay. Yui wasn't completely right though, i agree with most of things she said but him being a disgrace for Japan was rather out of place and unrelated. He's an American solder to begin with, there's no point in comparing him with Japanese army just because he's a halfbreed. Also so much QUALITY this episode, the TSF are the only good-looking thing now. |
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OrochiPL said: Finally watched the episode and i don't see why everyone hate Yui and not Yuuya. Seriously, he's a dick because he had hard childhood? Okay. This. IMO Yui is doing a good thing because she's trying to make him give it his best. She is trying to force him to suck up his pride (his "I'm an American so I don't want to have anything to do with Japanese stuff" attitude was shown more than once) and actually do his best. Instead of cheering him up, she yells at him and tells him he has no talent. It was as if she was daring him to prove her wrong so I don't really see why would she be the "bad" one. She clearly cares about him (getting him out and always being there when he's down) she's just trying to make him more determined and not to blame everything on his TSF. That aside. The episode was equal to the previous one in quality (not a good thing). So far, Yuuya completely fails as the lead for me. He just whines and complains about everything. I don't see anything interesting about him and in a time of war with most of humanity gone, I don't understand why sad childhood should be something to note. I'm pretty sure about eveyone had a sad childhood in a way. Some main characters got demoted to side characters, Inia and Cryska (or whatever their names are) are pretty interesting, I liked the bathing scene. :-3 I wonder how the hell he could just walk into a top secret area. National stereotypes are really strong with this episode. Usually, I don't mind it too much but this is really overdone. Russians/Soviets are those who first shoot/torture and then ask, Japanese are seemingly cold and proud, Americans are rasists and it goes on and on. The side characters too, tsundere, yamato nadeshiko, etc. Everyone in this show is a stereotype. It just feels wrong. I can't really like anyone knowing there's nothing else to them than that. Seriously, I wanna see the same action we saw in the first 2 episodes not character focused plot without any character development. |
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HikaruIzumi said: Seriously, I wanna see the same action we saw in the first 2 episodes not character focused plot without any character development. That's why there's 26 episodes. |
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Yumekichi11 said: Muv-Luv-er said: It's 26 or 2 cour?HikaruIzumi said: Seriously, I wanna see the same action we saw in the first 2 episodes not character focused plot without any character development. That's why there's 26 episodes. There's 24 eps and bonus footage. Source: http://www.amiami.com search for Muv Luv |
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| Not sure how much longer I can go on this one, it's honestly pretty boring. Last episode gave me hope for something to look forward to. The characters got an upgrade, but the story/plot is still just not very interesting. I'l give it a few more episodes though I suppose |
Thalos said: They might be upgrades and there still decent fighters but the main reason why i am wondering is the fact that there in a war.Aversa said: What i don't understand here was the hatred against the Japanese even after reading some of the commends posted it's almost like there is still hatred left from WW2 here but then the Germans and that Italian guy should be hated as well. And it wasn't only the Americans who seemed to have a form of hatred against the Japanese but also the Russians. Also the words they used all came down to the Japanese being cowards who use underhanded techniques yet as far as i know of Japanese there pretty much the opposite of that. I also have questions about the units. The units they showed last episode all appeared to be older units i won't call them outdated but it's a bit strange for them to be on a test side for new units. I mean if this was 2001 why isn't there a Eurofighter Typhoon or a Sukhoi su30 especially since the F-22 Raptor was mentioned. I'm pretty sure the Eagle's, while old, are using special parts. It actually makes sense, because the Eagle has been the mainstay for a lot of forces and the US still produces and fields an incredible number of them. So furthering development for them would be a logical step since the Raptor hasn't been produced in nearly as high a quantity. They also have an Active Eagle with them which uses technology from the F-22 for example. Normally during a major was and with major war i mean something that shakes up all superpowers you would see weapon development and production going up majorly. And the chances of weapons being broken also increases since there used on the battlefield everyday. Which means that older weapons get replaced allot faster then they would during peace time. The second reason why i am asking is because of Japan's unit the one Yui used during her battle was a Type 94 if i recall correctly yet they where already mentioning the Type 97 here in only a few year. And you can achieve allot with upgrades but sometimes it's just more effective to make a entirely new unit the F-22 Raptor for example looks completely different from it's predecessors the F-15 Eagle and the F-16 Falcon. |
KaitoDash said: Wasabi said: KaitoDash said: But on a low side, I'm neither Japanese nor American, but I just hate racism this show is implying. I hope they will try to express it in a more pleasant way. Expressing racism in a pleasant way? How does that work? So far I have a feeling that the show is portraying American as racists against Japanese, which means that whoever in charge of this show (Japanese) is kind of a racist against American. They express the two countries in a way that makes American looks extremely bad for their racism and makes Japanese looks so good for their humbleness and whatever. And I don't appreciate this at all. I think they should not try so hard to show Japanese greatness. I don't know. I might be over-thinking things. Well, from the crap I seen my "friendly" American neighbors say about the Japanese it does seem spot on. We got the weeaboos worshipping the Japanese then you got the Americans shitting on them. Got a lovely "love-hate" relationship between Japan & American to the point where it is getting to that disturbing line. Think I'm making shit up? Look around the web, look at some football (soccer) made comments and just listen to people out in the public. (edit: As for the neutral folks who enjoy Anime genuinely, seem to be a handful and not part of my point really.) ------- I'm on neither Yuuya's nor Yui's side. I simply see it as a lover's quarrel and maybe some BETA war tension/stress. Everybody is on edge so they're snapping at one another most likely. And ya, I'll admit this show is struggling to the point where its on the fine line of being a very bad Anime. I don't know whats keeping me attached but I'm still watching it...Wish I knew what was keeping me attached. The lover's quarrel? *shrugs*. |
EuroSubstanceJul 26, 2012 11:14 PM
| I’m really enjoying all the racial tension mainly because I can empathize with Bridges (I’m half white and half black). I get the feeling that many people don’t understand both how challenging it is to be mixed raced. The cool part is that you’re able to get multiple perspectives on the world which can be invaluable at times. Unfortunately there is no way you will ever be able to escape the fact that you’re a mutt, and mutts are never really desirable. It’s not that people don’t like mutts, it’s just that you never hear of people who would spend hundreds of dollars on one. Bridges biggest problem is that he is not at all Japanese; in fact, he doesn’t really have an identity. His Japanese father left him as a kid so he has no connection at all with the culture. It appeared that he grew up surrounded by white people, but no matter how white you act, he will never be truly recognized as white. Everyone is trying to classify him as something but none of the classifications fit for him. (I don’t know the official back-story and lore Muv-Luv so I may be completely wrong here) I get the feeling that the main reason Bridges fights is that he is trying to gain an identity that fits him. The American military is a multiethnic meritocracy so it is one of the few places where his race holds no bearing in his prospect of advancement or success. The reason Bridges’ military career isn’t looking good is not because he is half-Japanese, it is because he is too individualistic which is most likely because that was the only way he was able to handle his mixed ethnicity. In my opinion, the racism Yui is showing is the worst kind you can face if you’re biracial. Blatant racism is easy to handle; everyone can see it and its confrontational nature means that it tends to get resolved quickly. To most people what she has said to Bridges doesn’t seem that bad, but they were very biting words. All she does is tell him that he is something that she believes he should be and that he sucks at it. Yui never asks him what he think he is, she already has a preconceived notion of what Bridges is. Yui understands that Bridges isn’t fully Japanese, but she can’t understand why he isn’t even a little bit Japanese. She doesn’t understand why he doesn’t care at all about her homeland that she watched burn. I am interested in how they overcome this problem but I get the feeling it will be a copout. |
Muv-Luv-er said: YIKES! Sounds amazing for a surprise. Too bad only some blanks of female body parts and some blood that is uncensored. Most of it will be around in death black and light rays. Too bad AT-X does not uncensor either.Yumekichi11 said: Muv-Luv-er said: It's 26 or 2 cour?HikaruIzumi said: Seriously, I wanna see the same action we saw in the first 2 episodes not character focused plot without any character development. That's why there's 26 episodes. There's 24 eps and bonus footage. Source: http://www.amiami.com search for Muv Luv Also from the looks of it they might combine both 1st and 2nd games into this one with alterations or it's all new stuff? Cause to me it seems to not spoil anything lead to the end of #2, which would conclude nicely IMO with loads of gore/sex/action. Well not saying more but those 3 elements will in there censored if they should do the same as I saw of the CGs of the games. Is that right and the 2 episodes were character's past intro? This one really sounds like the start of game #1/#2 except Academy looks more military than school type. |
liemtodaisu said: However surely won't they infuse what is mentioned in your spoiler and other elements of games? For 24 episodes of development there must be more to show than just everyday lives and practices of the pilots themselves. |
| I bet those two Russian girls are part of Alternative 3. Just a hunch. It's the Russians who developed those girls after all. Inia also carries a Teddy, just like Kasumi's rabbit. |
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| The Fubuki is a rather unstable unit. It's way harder to control than the old Gekishin and probably most of America's units. But the increased manoeuvrability keeps you alive VS those BETA, so he shouldn't be complaining. He just has to get used to the extreme sensitivity of Fubuki. |
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| I wonder if this is going to have a plot later on, instead of "hey jap you suck" all the time. Oh well nonetheless pretty cool little "development". Edit: It probably will but I am just wondering how long will it take to reach there. |
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| Bring on the ownage, I don't like Yuuya at all yet, Keep laying into him Yui. |
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| seriously this bitch is ticking me off... the reason for her saying those things is that cause she was already used to it cause she once piloted one right? that's not a reason to go and dissed the person... seriously what a fucking bragging bitch.... bitch bitch bitch....!!! abusing her power... in position... bitch bitch bitch!! |
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| This episode was boring and the international stereotypes are already going at full speed in this show. Not much really that I could say was enjoyable about this episode, particularly the characters as a whole. |
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