| For example i assume in japan that anime is popular and alot of people watch it, not saying they enjoy it, but watch it... But in places like USA or UK or Europe, its not very widely known. Is there any chance that anime will become something that everyone finds cool, and that it becomes something as popular as Simpsons or Friends like in these western countries? If that could happen, it would be pretty cool :) E.g. more children shows are animes, because most of the crap i see on TV now, im like wtf... Like today my little bro is watching this new show called "almost naked animals..." So i sat down to watch with him, got bored, played on my phone, then glimpsed at the TV to see a weird blue thing licking the sweat off his forehead and then using it to spit some shit out of his mouth... And then he drinks the salavia of 10 other weird monster things... weird huh anyways, also like for adults, or even the late night stuff for the more R rated (no... not hentai, im talking about violence etc... -_-, jeeze, some people..) Anyways, just something that i thought would be cool... edit: 5th june 2011 edit So after reading loads of replys, i agree now that anime should stay underground, it would change everything i liked about anime :P |
OtherGuyXJun 5, 2011 7:22 AM
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OtherGuyX said: But in places like USA or UK or Europe, its not very widely known. Is there any chance that anime will become something that everyone finds cool, and that it becomes something as popular as Simpsons or Friends like in these western countries? What bucket hole have you come from? If you were a fan of anime during the 90's, you'd see how far anime has gone since then. If you want anime to dominate network television, then that's a different story. That's because network TV has been dominated by more "traditional TV" (involving actors). We may call that as "Live Action". That won't change until a large enough adult fanbase actually are fans of animation and treat animation in a similar fashion as we do. |
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| It would be awesome if it did happen but I don't think it will. I kind of like it being a niche market anyway. |
shintai88 said: Soon it will be up to Hong Kong Standards. Some anime series/movies are accepted generally by anyone. Anime in my opinion doesn't get enough criticism. It needs more improvements besides animation quality until then it won't be viewed of high standards. While I don't watch a lot of tv shows in the west, anime suffers a lot from plotholes, bad/annoying characters, etc... |
| The main reason i want it to become mainstream, not dominate but mainsteram on TV is because i have no one to talk about anime in real life. Sucks being a closet fan lol :P KyuuAL said: OtherGuyX said: But in places like USA or UK or Europe, its not very widely known. Is there any chance that anime will become something that everyone finds cool, and that it becomes something as popular as Simpsons or Friends like in these western countries? What bucket hole have you come from? If you were a fan of anime during the 90's, you'd see how far anime has gone since then. If you want anime to dominate network television, then that's a different story. That's because network TV has been dominated by more "traditional TV" (involving actors). We may call that as "Live Action". That won't change until a large enough adult fanbase actually are fans of animation and treat animation in a similar fashion as we do. dude im not as old as you are... and i started watching it this year so im nto as experience so excuse me.... I know anime has gone far, but im saying that its not very well known, or talked about or respected in western country by the MASSES! hopefully in the future, anime will become something that everyone can talk freely about, or something that is just casual like "friends". Maybe even start airing all these anime movies on cinema? The reason i say this is because in my school or area, anime = hentai = messed up 4 legged 10 boobed woman with 10 penises coming out while being penetrated by some mutated horse... Yes im not even joking... thats what people think anime is.... So if i say i watch anime... they would give me weird looks and probably avoid me... Also because the amount of ecchi animes, people basically reffer me to some hentai freek if i ever did mention it. But if anime became more respected in western countries, and there were time swhere certain animes were shown, then im sure the more respected animes at 8 - 9, and then the more hardcore ones at 9 - 10 would be seen and the differences would be obviouse. so yeah... darkpally5 said: Yep, there are more english dubs now than ever, and at a faster pace, such as Durarara and Angel Beats, which already have dubs. I think it is gaining, and will continue to gain popularity. i realised that too, i was like wtf, dubs already, but yeah im gonna watch the dubs soon :P prismheart said: It would be awesome if it did happen but I don't think it will. I kind of like it being a niche market anyway. i understand what you mean... But who knows, maybe someone from this forum will become some weird billionair and dominte the planet with this impossible desire :P lol |
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taro_sado said: shintai88 said: Soon it will be up to Hong Kong Standards. Some anime series/movies are accepted generally by anyone. Anime in my opinion doesn't get enough criticism. It needs more improvements besides animation quality until then it won't be viewed of high standards. While I don't watch a lot of tv shows in the west, anime suffers a lot from plotholes, bad/annoying characters, etc... This. Anime will never be palatable as a mainstream media format if it carries on producing shows about incestous sisters, sexualised lolis and women acting as vehicles for repeated pantyshots. |
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Heart_of_Storm said: taro_sado said: shintai88 said: Soon it will be up to Hong Kong Standards. Some anime series/movies are accepted generally by anyone. Anime in my opinion doesn't get enough criticism. It needs more improvements besides animation quality until then it won't be viewed of high standards. While I don't watch a lot of tv shows in the west, anime suffers a lot from plotholes, bad/annoying characters, etc... This. Anime will never be palatable as a mainstream media format if it carries on producing shows about incestous sisters, sexualised lolis and women acting as vehicles for repeated pantyshots. hey thats only a few of them... Only incest ones are like yosu no sora and kio kaze, no others have this stuff, the rest are step sisters. The sexualised lolis would probably be banned. And the panty shots can be shot at 10 - 11 oclock + Im talking about the normal good animes with no ecchi. For example monster, or deathnote, or code geass, or even LOGH... Imagine the after effects of airing clannad? |
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| I dont think it ever will... in our lifetime atleast. seems like it would take generations for anime to not be thought as of Childish, Nerdy, or Cartoon Porn(even tho some of it is lol). |
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| Three words. New Battlestar Galactica. ... Wait that doesn't really make my point. xDD;; What I'm trying to say is this: There is already a notion in the minds of the 'masses' in the West that anime is, as you described, srsly messed up stuff that sane people don't watch for fun, in what I often think of as similar to the way sci-fi is treated (though obviously people don't generally think of sci-fi as srsly messed-up; just geeky/boring). Even the stuff that is amazing gets generally overlooked by most people who aren't already into it. So no - I think that from here, anime WILL continue to grow bigger in the West. But imo it will never be bigger/more well-accepted than sci-fi. Which is of course not as a rule well-accepted by the 'masses'. |
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| Also, anime is less mainstream in Japan than people think ^^;; It's just that in Japan it's almost impossible to not be aware of anime. That doesn't mean that the majority watch/enjoy a lot of it (they don't). |
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| A lot of anime is only known by niche audiences in Japan as well. The only stuff that "everybody knows" are Ghibli movies and long-running all-ages shows like Shin-chan, Sazae-san, Doraemon, Chibi Maruko-chan, Detective Conan, etc. And to a lesser extent, popular prime-time/morning-aired shounen and Magical Girl series like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, FMA, and Pretty Cure. Or the occasional mecha anime that gets an evening time slot like Gundam, Code Geass, or Star Driver. There's also the Noitamina block, but I don't know how successful that's been in making inroads to general audiences. But everything else airs in the kami-forsaken middle of the night and is pretty much only watched by otaku. And even admitting that you've heard of some "obscure" show like Higurashi or Amagami is enough to make you a social pariah among "normals" over there. If anime is to become more popular elsewhere, it's going to need real support from the hardcore fanbase first. That means at least watching official streams, or better yet buying the actual discs. That also means not refusing to purchase something because of the existence of a non-Japanese dub, localized subs, or other pithy complaints like subtitle colors. If sales increase, companies will be better able to expand their advertising and marketing to increase the potential audience size. Basically, accept that some sacrifices and localizations will be necessary to make content more accessible to broader audiences. If subtitles and subs are so full of untranslated words, TL notes and honorifics that only people who're already hardcore fans can understand them, it puts up a barrier to people who are not already hardcore fans. |
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| I don't really want this. I feel like us anime fans are more of an underground network of websites that a lot of people don't know about. |
| It was just 10 years ago, Heck we had anime characters in the Macy's day parade. But it's dropped of considerable. Probably because it was the hip new fad then everyone last interest. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
OtherGuyX said: prismheart said: It would be awesome if it did happen but I don't think it will. I kind of like it being a niche market anyway. i understand what you mean... But who knows, maybe someone from this forum will become some weird billionair and dominte the planet with this impossible desire :P lol That would be funny, I would love to be able to go home at night and see more Anime airing on tv, then again, internet tv seems to be taking over (or some claim). |
| Didn't Evangelion show at cinemas in the US last year? That's quite cool. WOuld have gone to see it if they showed it here in Sweden. As for the original question; I guess it's kind of accepted as its own artform around the world, but hey, cultures clash. Love Hina is considered child porn here, which is all kinds of retardation. |
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| Like others have said, we had this kind of similar experience in the '90s. Granted, it didn't take over TV like western cartoons, but it did have a good amount in the spotlight. I liked it because something I enjoyed became so wildly popular. It was on TV, there were tons of toys and VHS tapes and DVDs... plenty of household names - kids at school instantly knew what you were talking about if you said "Sailor Moon," "Pokemon," or "Dragonball Z," and not long after, "Yu-Gi-Oh" came around during that same boom. Anime was part of Saturday cartoon morning blocks. It was on after school, on Toonami. Cartoon Network made a midnight anime block and [adult swim] showed it every weekday at decent hours. It attracted attention and we had lots of companies picking up anime and working on it, and after many years of hard work, the fad has died down into something that's niche again, with a lot of previous fans remembering them as fun cartoons as they got older, and many companies that got started up have now been dead and buried. Only the fans that stuck around for the time afterwards know how the anime boom got wildly popular and then died down drastically in just a decade's worth of time. The internet helped spread awareness and let anime fans connect, but before then it was a huge phenomenon. I grew up with the anime boom. While I'm somewhat sad it's died down so fast and so much, I'm still grateful it didn't vanish completely. I remember when ADV was voted as the number one anime company, when I would come home from school and see Toonami almost nothing but anime for hours, walk into stores that had almost nothing but anime merchandise, etc. But I am happy that some people stuck around, and those who just wanted to be a part of something or wanted to try it without really caring to stick around in the long run have left. You get the people who were truly dedicated and interested in something, rather than just talking to fill the air with someone who just isn't interested in the stuff anymore and deems it all as kids stuff. Who wants to have their hobby mocked into something no one can take seriously? I kept on finding anime and reading manga and loving it. Some friends I have are like, "You're still into that? You haven't changed a bit!" and some tune me out when I suddenly mention an anime series that I'm into and go on about it for a few minutes, but hey, if they can geek over books and movies, then I can geek out over anime - it's just another entertainment form, despite what they think and how they look down on it. It might become popular again later on, especially if it gets shown on TV a lot, but now we've still got some anime on [adult swim] - just at a freaking ridiculously late time on Saturdays that pretty much is the death of any premiering series - and we have the FUNimation Channel, which shows anime 24/7. So it's not completely gone and the efforts of the old days have resorted into better dubs, more series, and more acceptance. |
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| It's possible but not likely for now. Most people have the misconception that anime is for kids so they are most likely not going to watch anime for fear of being labelled as a kid. |
| Yeah, in the 90's it was quite popular. Everyone was talking about shows like Pokemon, Dragonball/Z, and more. Then there were the many series that were not necessarily talked about as much, but still very popular on cartoon channels, especially Cartoon Network. Yu Yu Hakusho, Rurouni Kenshin, tons of Gundam shows, etc... Then outside of Shounen series, for Shoujo, I know Sailor Moon was really popular on television as well, and in terms of more Seinen series, Cowboy Bebop was also. There was also Evangelion, if it's considered Seinen. In the early 2000's, There were plenty of great series that also made it to America and survived pretty well on television, such as Full Metal Alchemist, but after the 90's anime in America has surely slowly been diminishing in popularity. So today, there isn't really much anime worth noting on cable television, or even being discussed by others (save for Pokemon, and discussions usually revolve around the games and not the shows nowadays anyways). Although, cartoon channels on cable television arguably suck nowadays compared to the 90's, though. EDIT: But now that I do think about it, every time I do mention that I'm an anime fan, people aren't so shocked or anything in a bad way, so like the posters below me said, any "shock value" is lessened, though. |
HaibaneRenmeiFanMay 24, 2011 6:08 AM
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OtherGuyX said: Like today my little bro is watching this new show called "almost naked animals..." So i sat down to watch with him, got bored, played on my phone, then glimpsed at the TV to see a weird blue thing licking the sweat off his forehead and then using it to spit some shit out of his mouth... And then he drinks the salavia of 10 other weird monster things... Are you sure he wasn't watching some kind of German porn? Anyway, I don't think making anime popular with the masses would be healthy for the real anime fans or in fact for anime itself. I mean look at what the masses consider to be good entertainment. Family Guy. American Idol. Dancing With The Stars. Jersey Shore. For anime to become accepted by these people anime would need to become something they are comfortable with. And in so doing, it would no longer be anime. |
| Anime isnt underground, but its more of a lesser known or discussed topic in public. Still it would be nice to discuss something like this to a real person... Kimimaro_GBA said: Anime is nowhere near as underground as it was a few years ago. Most people I meet know what it is and I actually know a lot of fans. Honestly, it's getting to the point where meeting an anime fan isn't such a shocking experience, which is nice. OtherGuyX said: glimpsed at the TV to see a weird blue thing licking the sweat off his forehead and then using it to spit some shit out of his mouth... And then he drinks the salavia of 10 other weird monster things... weird huh To be fair, I've seen stranger stuff in anime. Yeah i know what you mean. it would also be cooler if anime didnt mean naruto instantly. but i suppose thats life. Oh well :P |
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| I doubt it. Older people (40+) tend to see it only as cartoons. |
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| I live in Canada, but I had access to Cartoon Network thanks to the satellite and I agree with the people above me. I remember back in 1997~2005 or something like that we had a shit tons of anime selection on television that it was impossible to follow everything at the same time. Now the only things that are still airing are children anime : Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh and other stuff. They definitely need to air more anime on TV to make it popular again. Toonami doesn't exist anymore, Adult Swim is airing like 3 anime after midnight (lol). Also, in Canada, an important cartoon channel lost an anime program in 2009 that we can consider the equivalence of Adult Swim in Canada, it had aired stuff like Fullmetal Alchemist, Gundam Seed, Ghost in the Shell, InuYasha after before and after midnight. |
| I know what you mean. Cartoons nowadays are just straight up bizarre. I was flicking through channels and this one show called Flapjack comes on and it was weird and disturbing. The show that my friend recommended to me that got me to start watching anime was Death Note. ( I did watch DBZ on toonami but never went farther than that ). I even got a friend to watch death note and now he is starting to watch anime like an addict. The only other show I can think of that could get adults to accept or enjoy anime is Monster ( I know it aired on Syfy but i don't know the ratings it got. ) |
| Back when I was in the US, I used to watch Sailor Moon, Inuyasha & Pokemon; And a lot of my friends there also watched some animes like those and Yu-Gi-Oh. I didn't know one person who didn't watch Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh. |
BigLanik said: I know what you mean. Cartoons nowadays are just straight up bizarre. I was flicking through channels and this one show called Flapjack comes on and it was weird and disturbing. The show that my friend recommended to me that got me to start watching anime was Death Note. ( I did watch DBZ on toonami but never went farther than that ). I even got a friend to watch death note and now he is starting to watch anime like an addict. The only other show I can think of that could get adults to accept or enjoy anime is Monster ( I know it aired on Syfy but i don't know the ratings it got. ) lol deahnote was one of the animes that got me into anime! maybe its an anime converter!!! just tell every person you knwo to watch deathnote and they become an anime addict :P |
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| I don't think it will. The anime community is a niche even within the broader "nerd/geek" label. Anime is an acquired taste, thankfully. |
| I hope not |
| No. I can't even imagine it. |
| I must assume this question pertains largely to North America, so the real thing to ask would be if it would ever return to its former glory. To which I'll say no. The United States in particular has become particularly anal of denying anime in the name of "think of the children!", and it certainly doesn't help that that Governor Ishihara of Tokyo shares their sentiments (despite the fact that he wrote the very kind of material he wants sent to the back of the store pertaining strictly to anime and manga, but not books). |
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| Anime isn't really that obscure honestly. It may not get mainstream media recognition much, like at those award ceremonies that always say Simpsons, Spongebob, or Scooby Doo are the best cartoons of the year, but it has a lot of things other animation does not; worldwide appeal. You have anime conventions all over the US alone, and if you include Japan, Europe, other Asian countries, and so forth, that's a huge, broad range of fanbases that can't be claimed by a lot of other stuff. American cartoon's don't have conventions, and American comic books kind of got pushed out of their own Comic Con conventions and have been taken over by live-action shows and movies at those events. American cartoons only do decent in America, Europe cartoons in Europe, etcetera, while anime has fans all across the globe. One Piece is the most bought comic in the world, for example. If you look worldwide, anime is pretty open and big; it just may not look like it if you just look at television, though, since only a few shows are on it (mainly Pokemon, Naruto, and a few other toy shows) but that's more of the decline of animation in America than it is anything else (live action sitcoms like iCarly and Hole in the Wall are much cheaper to produce and yield a much bigger profit for CN and Nickelodeon) |
| Anime's mainly composed of faggotry, so no. Not until we regurgitate all of the pointless ecchi and moe. |
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| Melbester9 says let it be, so America you better watch your back or Melbester9 will getcha >:O |
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| what the hell are you talking about. anime is huge where i live in canada. i am always meeting people who watch it or know what it is. i have yet to meet someone over the age of 20 who doesn't know what anime is. in fact i think anime is a little to popular imo. hell i feel anime is almost mainstream here. |
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| By 'widely' do we mean something like 'worldwide pop-culture phenomenon' ? Or do we mean 'recognized and distinguished type (or category) of visual culture originating from Japan' ?.. Anyways.. I believe anime will never be able to break through the 'worldwide mainstream' (?).. (and that is hoping for the best) Because of many factors.. but the one that needs to be mentioned is that anime is way to.. 'japanese'. And I would NEVER want it to get less 'japanese' and at the same time to become more.. 'global'. If anime were to become TOO popular, anime would lose this distingiushing feature that is so alluring. Personally, I hope anime will never get TOO popular. |
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Valwin said: By 'widely' do we mean something like 'worldwide pop-culture phenomenon' ? Or do we mean 'recognized and distinguished type (or category) of visual culture originating from Japan' ?.. Anyways.. I believe anime will never be able to break through the 'worldwide mainstream' (?).. (and that is hoping for the best) Because of many factors.. but the one that needs to be mentioned is that anime is way to.. 'japanese'. And I would NEVER want it to get less 'japanese' and at the same time to become more.. 'global'. If anime were to become TOO popular, anime would lose this distingiushing feature that is so alluring. Personally, I hope anime will never get TOO popular. thats a good thing there, it hink the japanese culture in anime is what makes it good... Its different to our lives :) |
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KyuuAL said: OtherGuyX said: But in places like USA or UK or Europe, its not very widely known. Is there any chance that anime will become something that everyone finds cool, and that it becomes something as popular as Simpsons or Friends like in these western countries? What bucket hole have you come from? If you were a fan of anime during the 90's, you'd see how far anime has gone since then. If you want anime to dominate network television, then that's a different story. That's because network TV has been dominated by more "traditional TV" (involving actors). We may call that as "Live Action". That won't change until a large enough adult fanbase actually are fans of animation and treat animation in a similar fashion as we do. Yeah, domination of the U.S. airwaves would be difficult. Almost everyone I know has no idea what the distinction between animation (cartoons on Nickelodeon) and anime. They think its all the same. *sigh* But, I really think that it's become WAY more mainstream than it used to be in the 80's and 90's. I'm hoping one day there will be a cable network in the U.S. that everyone (Dish, DirecTv, Comcast, etc.) can watch. They could put all sorts of different anime on there and I'd watch it all day! :D |
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