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| Break was right. Break is always right... XD |
| ^ and that is the problem , Break is always right ! Poor Elliot would love to see it translated , i just keep thinking about it |
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| I BLOODY KNEW IT. That was the most beautiful fake out ever. I will forever believe in Break. Poor, poor Elliot. Damn, he killed almost his entire family. I wonder if Oz... well Jack... killed Yura or not. That was a pretty dramatic goodbye panel but then the Elliot revelation was even more dramatic. Holy crap too much to deal with. AND JACK DFGHJKKJHGFD ETA: JACK DFGHJHGFGH NO SERIOUSLY IT'S ALMOST FEBRUARY, RIGHT? |
adamantineJan 21, 2011 1:09 AM
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Neiru2012 said: Break was right. Break is always right... XD That, that was my reaction. OH MY GOD BREAK WAS RIGHT BREAK WAS RIGHT BREAK WAS RIGHT I hope Oz killed Yura for good. I think it's high time his yandere self got the taste of blood. >_> |
| A question I have is who cut off the guy's head while Break was still holding Elliot? Break said that as long as Elliot was restrained, neither Elliot nor any of Fianna's children can use the power of Humpty Dumpty. Is anyone besides those with the power of Humpty Dumpty (Queen of Hearts) massacring people at the mansion? |
| Okay, I'm not reading any of the comments (spoilers ><) but.. where did you people find this? O.O |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| The translation is out. You can find it here. |
Neiru2012 said: The translation is out. You can find it here. Thank you! You're my hero! - Oh. My God. What an epic chapter. I really started to love this manga now. Guess I'll have to make room for it on my list of favourites. Okay, first - yay, Jack! Second, I really hope he killed Yura. Also, omg Break was right! Damn, I was really hoping that he made a mistake. Although it was really sad/depressing, I like Elliot even more now. But if he forgets about everything again and tries to do something to Vincent, I hope he gets stabbed. Which brings me to another point - this chapter needed more Vincent. He's the only person who could have made it even more epic. Damn it. And it was quite obvious that Elliot is the new Glen from the beginning so that wasn't such a shock. I still feel so sorry for him... Why did he kill them though? |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| You're welcome! But I think this chapter is actually suggesting Leo is the new Glen, since Humpty protects Glens and it was protecting Leo. Also, it was Leo who composed Lacie. I'm still hoping all this can be explained in another way, though, since I think Elliot fits the part of Glen better than Leo (especially given Elliot's chemistry with Oz/Jack). As for Vincent, his part in this chapter was subtle but potentially important. I thought it was interesting was how he reacted to seeing Jack. At first I just thought it was cute, but now I think it could be significant. Vincent likes Jack a lot, as far as we know, and holds him in very high esteem. Perhaps he wouldn't easily believe that a brat like Oz could be Jack's reincarnation, and figured the rest of Pandora are suckers, so didn't think twice about screwing Oz over several times. But now that he's seen Jack in Oz for himself, maybe his tendency to screw with Oz might change. Maybe he'll start working against the Baskervilles from the inside if he isn't already. This could be bad timing for a change of heart if the thing Break was about to tell Gil was that Vince is in league with the Baskervilles. |
| OHMYGAW. I had to read the chapter twice to understand what was happening xD Lately all these PH chapters have been a big mindfuck, in my opinion. But that's why it makes SOOOO GOOOD! |
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Neiru2012 said: You're welcome! But I think this chapter is actually suggesting Leo is the new Glen, since Humpty protects Glens and it was protecting Leo. Also, it was Leo who composed Lacie. I'm still hoping all this can be explained in another way, though, since I think Elliot fits the part of Glen better than Leo (especially given Elliot's chemistry with Oz/Jack). This |
| Maan, Pandora Hearts is getting INTENSE. I feel so sorry for Elliot these days, but such drama is also appealing to me. My love for Elliot seems to upgrade every chapter. And I too think it'll be cooler if Elliot is the new Glen rather than Leo. Hahaha, well I'm already getting impatient for next chapter! |
| OH MY GOD. Yeah, that last chapter was EPIC. The first part with Oz and Alice made my heart pound, ahaha must be weird (I'm just an Oz x Alice fan, understand me please xD) especially the phrase that Oz said when he said that he will "protect her" in some way! I was also happy that Oz/Jack killed Yura, he was such a pain... And like the others said, it is now obvious that Elliot and Leo are somehow connected to Glen, what's left now is what Break told Gil... Oh and yeah. Break would be a good fortune-teller. Can't wait for the next chapter! >w< <3 (Oz-samaaa~) *run* |
Neiru2012 said: You're welcome! But I think this chapter is actually suggesting Leo is the new Glen, since Humpty protects Glens and it was protecting Leo. Also, it was Leo who composed Lacie. I'm still hoping all this can be explained in another way, though, since I think Elliot fits the part of Glen better than Leo (especially given Elliot's chemistry with Oz/Jack). Oh god... Facepalm. I can't believe I totally missed that. Now everything makes much more sense (the very end of this chapter too) Me too. But then again, Leo is more like Glen, in a way. Neiru2012 said: As for Vincent, his part in this chapter was subtle but potentially important. I thought it was interesting was how he reacted to seeing Jack. At first I just thought it was cute, but now I think it could be significant. Vincent likes Jack a lot, as far as we know, and holds him in very high esteem. Perhaps he wouldn't easily believe that a brat like Oz could be Jack's reincarnation, and figured the rest of Pandora are suckers, so didn't think twice about screwing Oz over several times. But now that he's seen Jack in Oz for himself, maybe his tendency to screw with Oz might change. Maybe he'll start working against the Baskervilles from the inside if he isn't already. I know. But I've figured all that out because a friend sent me that page when Vincent sees Jack(in Japanese. Before I even read the chapter. I hate spoilers.). So I was hoping he'd get a bigger part. Neiru2012 said: This could be bad timing for a change of heart if the thing Break was about to tell Gil was that Vince is in league with the Baskervilles. Oh... Crap. Also, the hand on Elliot's seal is soon going to make a full circle. Should we be worried about that? Oo |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| wow chapter break was spot on... |
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| Break your awesomeness never fails to amaze me :o ! |
| It's getting better and better and better... =D Poor Elliot. But then again, if not him then who? I wonder if Break told Gilbert about Vincent's connection with the Baskervilles?! The next one will be BIG! Everyone's reaction + more Vincent (possibly Jack x Vincent). |
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GothicQueen said: Also, the hand on Elliot's seal is soon going to make a full circle. Should we be worried about that? Oo Elliot's contractor seal might be going a lot slower than Oz's because Humpty Dumpty is able to spread the burden of the contract across many contractors (the Fianna children), so I would expect Elliot and Oz to make a full circle and get dropped into the Abyss to meet Alyss at the same time. Who knows, tho... I just re-read chapter 50, and that combined with 57 makes me think very strongly that Leo is the new Glen. This would mean that Elliot is this Glen's "Jack" (ie: best friend). If Leo is Glen, I think he remembers a lot more than he lets on about. The Fianna children are scared of him, he's a musical genius, he hangs out by himself most of the time, and he's afraid of changing into something that might be an enemy of Elliot. He might remember Glen to such an extent that he's avoiding all things that remind him of Glen. He absolutely will not let anyone cut his hair. Leo is the one whose hair would match old Glen's perfectly if he cut it. Leo also says that the world depresses him, as did Glen. And, on top of this, he puts on gigantic glasses, and any time that happens, you KNOW there'll be a dramatic reveal scene coming up when he takes them off. If this is all true, then Leo might realize that Oz is his old "Jack," and in chapter 50 Leo asked the old "Jack" to protect the new "Jack" by repeating Jack's words to Oz, asking him to "kill me with your own hands" if he changes into an enemy of the new "Jack." BY THE WAY, I think TBA jumped the gun translating the 2nd to last page of 57 chapter. The Japanese language uses very little pronouns, and Jun Mochizuki especially is known to take advantage of this for an extra level of vagueness. So, in the lower left panel, where Leo is translated as saying "Elliot... say my... name..." in the Japanese is simply "Elliot... say... (my/your/its/the) name..." Given that the next page is half dead Elliot with (Humpty's?) blood in his mouth, I think the flashback is about Leo trying to get Elliot to establish a contract with Humpty by saying its name. There's a closeup of this flashback all the way back in page 40 of chapter 50, too. |
| The scenes are cool. No doubt from Jun Mochizuki sensei, though-- Oz and Alice's scenes are the coolest there, and btw.. |
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| That was kind of confusing, but amazing nonetheless. I loveeeee the whole thing with Elliot, it's a nice little twist of things. I can't actually remember what Break said, but apparently he was right so...go Break??? Ugh I hate having to wait a month. :( |
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| That was a lot to take in for one chapter and I'm thoroughly confused. Might haft to back and read the other ones again. |
| PH is the best manga i have ever read, how can it be so good, omg. Even though i get really confused sometimes, especially because i'm not that good in english, but still! But i kinda didn't understand the ending with Elliot killing his mother or whatever, could someone give me a little explanation, please? ;o; |
| Explanation: Elliot was the Head Hunter all along. He just didn't remember this because Humpty Dumpty kept repressing all the memories that traumatized Elliot. Elliot contracted with the Humpty Dumpty chain and it made him kill anyone who was threatening Leo, including all of his siblings and his mother who was about to stab Leo. Humpty Dumpty is the chain that's supposed to be drawn to and protect Glen's soul. This, combined with the fact that it was Leo who composed "Lacie" and many other factors, lean heavily in favor of Leo being Glen's reincarnation and not Elliot. At least that's how I interpreted this chapter. I hope it's helpful. ^_^; For more on the Leo vs Elliot as Glen comparison: here's a list of reasons. Also, since Jack's reincarnation (Oz) looks just like him, here's a comparison of Leo's appearance side by side with Glen: Edit: If you're confused by the very end, where it looks like Elliot's half dead, that's a flashback from when Elliot and Leo went to look for the lost kids from Fianna who wandered into the Sablier time warp. It was said in chapter 50 that Elliot tripped and hit his head, and doesn't remember what happened. It looks like this was when he contracted with Humpty Dumpty, and the scene is of Elliot with Humpty's blood in his mouth and Leo trying to get him to say Humpty's name to seal the contract. I guess Humpty was able to revive Elliot from whatever stabbed him that time. |
Neiru2013Jan 23, 2011 9:01 AM
| Another thing: Who's Celia? Another mysterious unknown woman? Alice-Lacie-Celia. Are these all sisters or something? Or are they all the same person? Oh snap! I knew something was fishy about the part when Break suspected Elliot and wanted him to show his chest. I didn't get it at first either. I used to think the new Glen was Elliot because of his nightmares and memories and whatnot... However, this chapter totally implied that Leo is Glen's new vessel. Elliot's vague memories are actually about the killings he made under the control of Humpty Dumpty, since he is one of Humpty Dumpty's contractors, so he forgets most of the bad memories. And Humpty Dumpty protects Glen's soul, therefore it made Elliot stab even his own mother when she tried to kill Leo. IT ALL MAKES SENSE WAAAH. The last page made me confused at first because I wasn't sure whether it was still a flashback or not, but it must be a flashback about the contract, because Elliot is wearing different clothes there. |
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Neiru2012 said: Explanation: Elliot was the Head Hunter all along. He just didn't remember this because Humpty Dumpty kept repressing all the memories that traumatized Elliot. Elliot contracted with the Humpty Dumpty chain and it made him kill anyone who was threatening Leo, including all of his siblings and his mother who was about to stab Leo. Humpty Dumpty is the chain that's supposed to be drawn to and protect Glen's soul. This, combined with the fact that it was Leo who composed "Lacie" and many other factors, lean heavily in favor of Leo being Glen's reincarnation and not Elliot. At least that's how I interpreted this chapter. I hope it's helpful. ^_^; Wow okay I understand now. It makes a lot more sense when explained thanks for that! :) And the whole Leo being Glen thing explains why Leo's hair is always a mess and in front of his face. Got it. |
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Neiru2012 said: Explanation: Elliot was the Head Hunter all along. He just didn't remember this because Humpty Dumpty kept repressing all the memories that traumatized Elliot. Elliot contracted with the Humpty Dumpty chain and it made him kill anyone who was threatening Leo, including all of his siblings and his mother who was about to stab Leo. Humpty Dumpty is the chain that's supposed to be drawn to and protect Glen's soul. This, combined with the fact that it was Leo who composed "Lacie" and many other factors, lean heavily in favor of Leo being Glen's reincarnation and not Elliot. At least that's how I interpreted this chapter. I hope it's helpful. ^_^; It was extremely helpful and you spared me a lot of reading :) |
Neiru2012 said: For more on the Leo vs Elliot as Glen comparison: here's a list of reasons. Also, since Jack's reincarnation (Oz) looks just like him, here's a comparison of Leo's appearance side by side with Glen: O_O Yeah.. Okay, after reading this: Neiru2012 said: Edit: If you're confused by the very end, where it looks like Elliot's half dead, that's a flashback from when Elliot and Leo went to look for the lost kids from Fianna who wandered into the Sablier time warp. It was said in chapter 50 that Elliot tripped and hit his head, and doesn't remember what happened. It looks like this was when he contracted with Humpty Dumpty, and the scene is of Elliot with Humpty's blood in his mouth and Leo trying to get him to say Humpty's name to seal the contract. I guess Humpty was able to revive Elliot from whatever stabbed him that time. I'm suddenly not convinced that Elliot's seal is moving slower than Oz's. Now I'm worried again. Btw. I love you, Neiru2012. x) You're comments always make so much sense and you're so observant. Yeah, hopefully I didn't sound too creepy. |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
GothicQueen said: Btw. I love you, Neiru2012. x) You're comments always make so much sense and you're so observant. Yeah, hopefully I didn't sound too creepy. Tee-hee-hee! Nope, not creepy. ^_^ As for Elliot's seal, I just base it on what Barma said here: the seal will move as quickly/slowly as the amount of contractors Humpty Dumpty has. |
misherux said: I haven't seen the raw for that chapter to see if Vincent used a gender-neutral reference that was translated as "she." The Japanese language avoids gender-specific pronouns like the plague unless it's an insult, leading to unintentional mistranslations by both official and fan sources when it's unclear who a character is talking about; ex: Break translated as calling Intention of the Abyss a "him", Baskervilles translated as calling Zwei (Echo) a "he". Vincent doesn't know who the Head Hunter is. If he did he would've killed them already. I think he's referring to HH as a "she," or it was just translated as a "she," because the HH chain is Queen of Hearts (true form of Humpty Dumpty, apparently), and it's "she" who is doing the actual killing. Maybe there's more than one HH, too. Or maybe Barma was wrong and Humpty Dumpty and Queen of Hearts are actually separate chains. That would explain how beheadings could take place while Elliot was restrained by Break (which was supposed to cut off all power from Humpty Dumpty, unless Elliot isn't the original contractor; and he seems to be the original contractor, since his Humpty is a different color - white - than everybody else's Humpty - black). Edit: checked raws. Vincent just calls HH "yatsu" (a kind of insulting term for "person") as far as I can tell. If somebody can double check, that'd be cool, since I only found some grainy raws on youtube. ^^; |
Neiru2013Jan 24, 2011 6:55 AM
| Now let's just hope that Vincent won't find out who's the Head Hunter... Neiru2012 said: As for Elliot's seal, I just base it on what Barma said here: the seal will move as quickly/slowly as the amount of contractors Humpty Dumpty has. Yeah, I know. It makes perfect sense, but Oz made a contract with Alice long before Elliot did with Humpty Dumpty, and his seal only moved twice (or three times?) while Elliot's is...at number 9 (lol, sorry, it just reminds me of a clock xD). |
kawaiiyurisJan 24, 2011 7:19 AM
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| I still think it's really silly of Vincent to think the HH tried to kill Gil. It's the f'ing HEAD-hunter, not a covert poisoner. *mental image of Humpty with a chemistry set* I really wanna know who poisoned Gil. Eh... I'm pretty sure that Oz made a contract with Alice waaay after Elliot made one with Humpty. The time that Elliot and Leo went to look for the lost children happened before Leo was accepted by Duke Nightray as Elliot's bodyguard, before the beheadings of the Nightray family members started and, if Elliot is the original contractor, before the Fianna kids started contracting with Humpty. So yeah, a while ago. |
Neiru2013Jan 24, 2011 12:32 PM
| Oh god... MAL is being retarded again... I didn't write that comment twice Oo Neiru2012 said: I really wanna know who poisoned Gil. This. Neiru2012 said: Eh... I'm pretty sure that Oz made a contract with Alice waaay after Elliot made one with Humpty. The time that Elliot and Leo went to look for the lost children happened before Leo was accepted by Duke Nightray as Elliot's bodyguard, before the beheadings of the Nightray family members started and, if Elliot is the original contractor, before the Fianna kids started contracting with Humpty. So yeah, a while ago. Oooh. Everything makes sense now. Thanks! I got kinda confused over some things;; |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| Oh my god, Break was right! I love this chapter! Some moments of Oz and Alice <3 and some memories of Jack with Glen. Can't wait for next chapter! |
| I'm confused. Who is head hunter and who is Glen. I would have thought that Leo was Glen given the fact that he wrote Lacie and not Elliot. The Oz Elliot chemistry is good perception however i find it irrelevant in a way. For me, it's the relationship between Elliot and Leo in comparison to Glen and Jack that's important. It's basing a current situation with something that has happened before. Leo composing Lacie while Elliot performed it,while 100 yearsago, Glen composed Lacie and Jack made a watch specifically for the song. Not sure if it's correct but in a way I remember, it was jack who found glen much like Elliot finding Leo GothicQueen said: Now let's just hope that Vincent won't find out who's the Head Hunter... Neiru2012 said: As for Elliot's seal, I just base it on what Barma said here: the seal will move as quickly/slowly as the amount of contractors Humpty Dumpty has. Yeah, I know. It makes perfect sense, but Oz made a contract with Alice long before Elliot did with Humpty Dumpty, and his seal only moved twice (or three times?) while Elliot's is...at number 9 (lol, sorry, it just reminds me of a clock xD). No, it means that Elliot made a contract Long before Oz and Alice did. The More Contractors, THE SLOWER it gets.So if Elliot is the head hunter, he must have had contract for longer because the clock moves slower than Oz's yet, it's already pointing on Nine. Which then disproves an event some said about him being knocked out and gaining the contract when looking for Oz in the hole. It's not to say however that event never happened. I just think his contract happened way before the incident and there was another accident that happened. Also, coming up with the theory that like most orphan children, Elliot is another part of the chain. he is easily accessible as well as his lack of memories, also disguising something troubling him much like what the kids who have contract are like e.g Phillip a contractor just wants to believe his father is alive while Elliot just wants to believe his contract isn't there. I reckon that Leo,who i think is glen actually is the true holder of the Humpty Dumpty.I mean, sure it might go against the idea of why he would kill members of nightray family but then again, he isn't part of the Nightray family (or so it would seem) and we don't know enough about him to assume that he has no reason to kill the nightrays . ahwell, guess we have to wait another month.... |
Neiru2012 said: You're welcome! But I think this chapter is actually suggesting Leo is the new Glen, since Humpty protects Glens and it was protecting Leo. Also, it was Leo who composed Lacie. I'm still hoping all this can be explained in another way, though, since I think Elliot fits the part of Glen better than Leo (especially given Elliot's chemistry with Oz/Jack). It's been looking more and more like Leo might be Glen to me as well. Possibly both he and Elliot are Glen- maybe the fight with Jack split his soul or something? Just a thought, but it is seeming like Leo's it as well as Elliot. |
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| Neiru, you should win an award for your amazing explanations. After I read this chapter, I thort maybe Elliot was humpty and Leo was Glen, AND YOU MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR! Damn, your amazing >u< ELLIOT! D'X I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A A MASIVE HUG! |
| Thanks, mina-san, I'm glad my explanations were helpful! ^_^ (and, yes, poor Elliot T_T) |
Neiru2013Jan 28, 2011 7:56 PM
| I want to thank Neiru as well, chap was confusing and thanks to your explanations I was able to understand much more ^^ Neiru2012 said: I just re-read chapter 50, and that combined with 57 makes me think very strongly that Leo is the new Glen. This would mean that Elliot is this Glen's "Jack" (ie: best friend). If Leo is Glen, I think he remembers a lot more than he lets on about. The Fianna children are scared of him, he's a musical genius, he hangs out by himself most of the time, and he's afraid of changing into something that might be an enemy of Elliot. He might remember Glen to such an extent that he's avoiding all things that remind him of Glen. He absolutely will not let anyone cut his hair. Leo is the one whose hair would match old Glen's perfectly if he cut it. Leo also says that the world depresses him, as did Glen. And, on top of this, he puts on gigantic glasses, and any time that happens, you KNOW there'll be a dramatic reveal scene coming up when he takes them off. If this is all true, then Leo might realize that Oz is his old "Jack," and in chapter 50 Leo asked the old "Jack" to protect the new "Jack" by repeating Jack's words to Oz, asking him to "kill me with your own hands" if he changes into an enemy of the new "Jack." I didn't think about this much , but you're right. Leo is just like second Glen.. Shame I really wanted Elliot to be.. And when I was reading the chap and looking at Glen and Jack hairs, I began to look for character with hair similar to Glen and Leo came to my mid as well Ouch, sorry for this chaotic post , it looked better in my mind ^^' I just reread previous chaps and I didn't lost hope that Elliot is Glen . |
StripFeelingJan 28, 2011 8:09 PM
| Sorry for my English ^^' If you notice any mistakes, please tell me about it ^^ Thanks for corrections ^^ |
Neiru2012 said: Explanation: Elliot was the Head Hunter all along. He just didn't remember this because Humpty Dumpty kept repressing all the memories that traumatized Elliot. Elliot contracted with the Humpty Dumpty chain and it made him kill anyone who was threatening Leo, including all of his siblings and his mother who was about to stab Leo. Humpty Dumpty is the chain that's supposed to be drawn to and protect Glen's soul. This, combined with the fact that it was Leo who composed "Lacie" and many other factors, lean heavily in favor of Leo being Glen's reincarnation and not Elliot. At least that's how I interpreted this chapter. I hope it's helpful. ^_^; For more on the Leo vs Elliot as Glen comparison: here's a list of reasons. Also, since Jack's reincarnation (Oz) looks just like him, here's a comparison of Leo's appearance side by side with Glen: Edit: If you're confused by the very end, where it looks like Elliot's half dead, that's a flashback from when Elliot and Leo went to look for the lost kids from Fianna who wandered into the Sablier time warp. It was said in chapter 50 that Elliot tripped and hit his head, and doesn't remember what happened. It looks like this was when he contracted with Humpty Dumpty, and the scene is of Elliot with Humpty's blood in his mouth and Leo trying to get him to say Humpty's name to seal the contract. I guess Humpty was able to revive Elliot from whatever stabbed him that time. My savior, thank you so much for the explanation ♥ Really helped me n___n |
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