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| I just checked it for the lol. Soo stupid. |
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ukonkivi said: ... And then you grew up into "OMG HE ACCIDENTALLY SAW SCHOOLGIRL PANTIES AND GOT BEAT UP FOR IT.XDDDDDDDDD" humor? I hope not. Gangler said: ArtRodriguez said: I get it "PANTY IS A BIG FUCKING SLUT" I don't need the same joke over and over again. Lol. That panty is such a slut for having a healthy libido. HUDeHurDehHur. Get it? Because women aren't supposed to enjoy sex? Sometimes I forget that the best comedy occurs in the real world. Awesome responses right here. lol'd hard. By the way, I love you Gainax. |
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| I was skeptical about this anime at first but now after watching it I must, Gainax you've done it again. There is nothing you can't make awesome. |
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| Wow! Panties turn into a gun and stockings turn into a sword. O.O Awesome! Very good and hilarious series. It was way better than what I expected. :) Looking forward to the next episode. |
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| Awesome... |
| Really liked this episode it made me laugh and the animation was awesome haven't seen anything like this its like an adult powerpuff girls xD alsooo the transformation scene was awesome the song in the background was great can't wait for next episode :D |
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| Really liked this episode it made me laugh and the animation was awesome haven't seen anything like this its like an adult powerpuff girls xD alsooo the transformation scene was awesome the song in the background was great can't wait for next episode :D |
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| Well, it was fun I guess, I especially liked the course pursuit in the second half. But it's still not as trippin' and hilarious as Dead Leaves or Re: Cutie Honey. The transformation scene was mindblowing though. |
| Fantastic!! |
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| What the hell did i just watch? It feels like my brain just got raped ....in a good way. Epic. |
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| It was....strange? The animation was interesting, if at least unique to anime. I still have a soft spot for older cartoons, and it does remind me of it. I know some people don't mind it as much, but the humor was a bit too much for me, personally. It felt like a mix of PPG and Adult Swim, the latter I'm not terribly crazy about. Maybe they'll try some different jokes later on? |
| (◕ᴥ◕し) Hello! Did you know? Barnacles have the largest penis to body size ratio of the animal kingdom. |
| I love transformation scene :D |
| Crazy, just crazy. In a good way |
I have my own anime blog. It's called Anime Viking. Hope you'll you read it! |
| Thought I would hate this, boy was I wrong! |
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| shit rocks... haven't laughed so much in weeks |
| GAINAX can do no wrong. |
| This looks like something from Japan and something from America had a baby. Wich is awesome. |
| I started with low expectations, but that just made the awesomeness even awesomer! Seriously, this was like the funnies thing ever. I love how it mixes Japanese and Western animation style~ Hooray for Panty and Stocking! |
| The sex jokes became tiresome immediately (I dread to think how sick of them I'll get by only a few more episodes in) and I can't say it was very funny. The second segment worked fairly well as a pure action piece, though. Though I appreciate it for doing something different, I''m not sure what the idea behind the American-iod art style and English (or at least Roman alphabetical) textual onomatopoeia is. So far we've only got crass stereotypes like slutty blondes, swearing, guns, and the presence of a few black people. |
| Power puff girls gone horribly horribly wrong... Not my style but ill keep watching if it gets better. |
busterbeam said: He didn't actually use that word but I suppose you have given an accurate overlay of the words connotations under certain contexts. Is this an issue?Xerain said: big FU to the moe capitalization over the past few years favorite shows: nanoha, haruhi does "moeshit" just mean "show with cute girls that I don't like" now? Anyway the shows you just listed contain elements of moe but ultimately have other selling features for people who don't want half an hour of watching bunnies chew on clovers. This would exempt them from his dislike of excessive use of moe since he watches them for other reasons. A person may dislike romance anime but this does not preclude him from enjoying any show where the male lead takes an interest in a female. If it did it would rule out a ridiculous number of shows in genres that he does enjoy. This is the same principle. |
busterbeam said: It has multiple definitions which can make it confusing and sometimes a source of conflict. "moe" doesn't mean "half an hour of watching bunnies chew on clovers". as far as I know it means either 'sperging out over a certain type of anime gir'l, or 'a certain type of anime girl that's cute and innocent' - I might be somewhat off base but it has nothing to do with the writing style of an anime or whether it has actual content or just kawaii desu shit. The bunnies on clovers thing was figurative of course. When Xerain mentioned the capitalization of moe it seemed to me he was referring to attempts to forcefully produce shows that pander to fans of moe. The classic example is K-On where we literally just watch girls who are cute and innocent be cute and innocent for the half hour timeslot. No plot, no character growth or development, not even a basic level of conflict in most episodes. Just four moe archetypes being moe. Personally while such shows are not always to my taste I'm not opposed to them either. I really just wanted to point out that just because Xerain enjoyed two shows that are known to have moe/ bring about feelings of moe in their viewers doesn't invalidate his statement against the "moe capitalization over the past few years". Hopefully this has cleared up any confusion regarding my own statement. Edit. As far as your later addtion goes you've basically described the culture and the counter culture that occurs whenever change takes place. There's a faction of people who embrace that we have petite and often female action leads now, while the other desperately clings to the muscle men of the eighties and nineties. It's like this http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/23/ |
GanglerOct 5, 2010 12:05 AM
| last I checked fanservice and moe were pretty separate. At least in the context your using it in. In fact frequent oversexualization can detract from the innocence which we mentioned as a factor. Anyway yeah, nanoha is hella moe. I don't think that invalidates the notion that a someone who isn't predisposed towards moe would enjoy nanoha for it's other selling points. Seriously, especially once you get into A's there is more than enough action to satisfy the needs of an action fan. If you like compelling characters the nanoha cast is believable multidimensional regardless of moe. The characters grow throughout the show, it has a great soundtrack, and it offers an alternate take on a genre some people might not always enjoy, or maybe just want to see explored beyond the treatment it normally recieves. It can satisfy a viewer on so many levels beyond the mentioned moe factor. Also I think it's starting to get weird how much you dwell on the sexualization of certain characters. Last I watched nanoha wasn't portrayed sexually once. On a couple occasions we saw a tasteful nighty. There were a couple moments where the ermine (or whatever he was) was made uncomfortable by her casualness with him due to her not yet understanding that he was human (and also her child like innocence). Even then he wasn't horny or anything. He was just being a gentlemen. I admittedly haven't gone browsing through all the promotional art but I don't think that many of us check out the magazine ads before watching it. Moe is often asexual (though not always so). The ratio of sexualized female moe inducing characters wouldn't be any higher than the ratio of sexualized female characters in general. Let's face it, the anime industry knows their target audience and they know what sells. |
busterbeam said: moe is pretty fetishistic among otaku brah nanoha was based on a porno game and while the series rarely sexualizes its little girl characters (although it does sometimes - there are a few obviously sexual panty and ass shots of them even in the first season) and a lot of the promotional art is so fanservicey it hurts. so not only is it moe as hell, it also goes out of its way to pander to people who like moe characters in a sexual way. but this isn't about Nanoha and it would be nice if we didn't derail this thread - it's about this show's fans not shutting up about how the simple fact that Panty is a slut is somehow supposed to"troll bad moe anime and the idiots who like it" when that is not the case. it gives people the wrong idea about this show and makes them think that it's some kind of amazingly intellectual satire when it really isn't, and it doesn't try to be - it's just dumb fun. very well executed, mastefully animated and well directed dumb fun, but dumb fun nonetheless. it's just annoying seeing one of my favorite cartoons in years breed so much hate when it didn't even intend to do so. People who want to get their rocks off will. If it can be enjoyed on a non-sexual level then it's best to look at it as such because it can always be enjoyed on a sexual level. The satire vs simple fun debate isn't new. It's often the case that there's exactly the amount of message you want to read into any given work. Which is the valid opinion just depends on who you ask. Haters gonna hate, over-intellectuals gonna over-intellectualize (if that works). You can do it with any show. Chill beach. Is it a simple sitcom taking place in a canadian city or is it a chilling commentary on canadian life (forgive the pun). Is Will and grace a paint by the numbers sitcom making fun at the expense of homosexuals or is it a satire of how homosexuals are depicted in the media? I once had a hell of a time trying to figure out all the symbolism in sayonara zetzubou sensei. It all fell apart in the second season. |
| Yeah, we don't all read the interviews. I think I read two interviews about gurren lagann once when I was looking for hints of when they might do something new but it's not something consistently engaged in. As far as the overall intelligence factor goes, just because you have one group of people who feel superior to another group of people doesn't mean you the listener should actually expect a matching level of intelligence. The highschool football team taught us that real quick and if you were in the chess club it wouldn't be hard to find idiots there either. There's always been that aspect of any artistic medium too. Is it more important what the writers intentions were or what the reader thought he was reading? Many would say that regardless of whether or not the author meant for his book to be a statement on a particular political agenda, as long as the readers are finding it in there then it can be said to be a message the book portrays. Similarly one could argue that if there is a large faction that enjoys the show as satire, then satire has become an aspect of the show, regardless of the creators intentions. As far as I'm concerned however you find enjoyment should be pursued. If it pleases you watch cute characters being cute for hours on end then who am I to criticize? If you want to look for statements and messages in your shows then why the hell not? Undeserved arrogance is another issue entirely found in every facet of society. Blue collar workers feel like they've lived more than white collar workers, white collar workers feel like they've earned more than the blue collars. Whatever your position in life is if you have the need to feel superior you will find the reason. |
| Lol they won't. Half the readers right now are thinking about what huge dicks we are for holding this moderately text heavy debate, let alone the fact that some of it strayed a bit off topic and that we've conveyed a healthy dose of that same arrogance we were just talking about. It'll probably be pretty evenly divided between people who deny what we've said and people who are just unrepentant. It's like whenever the ethics of piracy comes up in a forum. Half of them come up with justifications about how music costs too much and they have to fight the machine and all sorts of nonsense, the other half just say that they know it's wrong but simply don't care. Seriously, just enjoy the ride. Much of the argument will probably die as the series continues, until then you can`t let misinformation or ignorance on the internet bother you. Heck in my opinion the controversial stuff is the good stuff. A discussion can only go on for so long and be so meaningful if everyone is in agreement. |
| I love the fact that two anime original shows this season (PSG & SD) redefined "mahou shoujo transformation" sequence e.g Panty&Stocking slutty pole dancing and Takuto fabulous transformation in a mecha :D Fabulous season anyone? |
| Couldn't help but love this series :DD The whole style of the show and the madness was something that really made me interested, and I've never laughed as much while watching anime XD Really looking forward to the next eps~ :3 |
Kagura89 said: I love the fact that two anime original shows this season (PSG & SD) redefined "mahou shoujo transformation" sequence e.g Panty&Stocking slutty pole dancing and Takuto fabulous transformation in a mecha :D Fabulous season anyone? Fabulous to the max. "KIRABOSHI!" |
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Gangler said: There's always been that aspect of any artistic medium too. Is it more important what the writers intentions were or what the reader thought he was reading? Many would say that regardless of whether or not the author meant for his book to be a statement on a particular political agenda, as long as the readers are finding it in there then it can be said to be a message the book portrays. Similarly one could argue that if there is a large faction that enjoys the show as satire, then satire has become an aspect of the show, regardless of the creators intentions. As far as I'm concerned however you find enjoyment should be pursued. If it pleases you watch cute characters being cute for hours on end then who am I to criticize? If you want to look for statements and messages in your shows then why the hell not? Agreed. Gangler said: It's like whenever the ethics of piracy comes up in a forum. Half of them come up with justifications about how music costs too much and they have to fight the machine and all sorts of nonsense, the other half just say that they know it's wrong but simply don't care. ... not agreed. busterbeam said: "moe" doesn't mean "half an hour of watching bunnies chew on clovers". as far as I know it means either 'sperging out over a certain type of anime gir'l, or 'a certain type of anime girl that's cute and innocent' - I might be somewhat off base but it has nothing to do with the writing style of an anime or whether it has actual content or just kawaii desu shit. Not this either, to be honest. Moe means a lot of things. And has become another word to describe the Bishoujo type aesthetic. People are understandably tired of using the word Japan simply uses for "animation" to describe the art aesthetic common to Japan. busterbeam said: I just find it hilarious how every bandwagon-jumper is bitching about moe KILLING ANIME :'( even when they watch extremely otaku-centric shows like Nanoha with innocent cute young girl leads (that are often sexualized in both the show itself and the promotional art) OH SO AGREED. |
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ukonkivi said: Gangler said: It's like whenever the ethics of piracy comes up in a forum. Half of them come up with justifications about how music costs too much and they have to fight the machine and all sorts of nonsense, the other half just say that they know it's wrong but simply don't care. ... not agreed.. So then do you subscribe to the notion that high prices justify theft? Or is there some other reasoning behind what appears to be a disagreement with my use of the word nonsense? |
| Today I learned: K-On! is directed by a woman and Nanoha is a spin-off an eroge. Gangler said: Is it OK if I do both? As far as I'm concerned however you find enjoyment should be pursued. If it pleases you watch cute characters being cute for hours on end then who am I to criticize? If you want to look for statements and messages in your shows then why the hell not? I like K-On! and I think this show is a parody of both western and eastern animation with a healthy dose of awesome. My opinion might change since it's likely the creators are actually very simple and didn't intend to make a parody, just like Hideaki Anno didn't actually put any of the symbolism into Eva based on a master plan, he was just trolling us. In both cases, I choose the option that makes the most sense to me and/or the option that allows me to justify my opinion of the show, in Eva's case, the show sucks, in P&S's case, it's awesome. Also, piracy discussion :| |
kuroshiroi said: is it OK if I do both? I would think so.Best of all worlds has always been my policy. |
| WTF?! But I love this trash. |
Gangler said: So then do you subscribe to the notion that high prices justify theft? I subscribe to the notion that it's silly to consider piracy theft. There is already a huge thread about this discussion I have not been to in forever.:/ This discussion probably goes there. In the great pile of re-hashed piracy discussion. kuroshiroi said: Also, piracy discussion :| I am so sorry! Ehem.. uhhh. I like Ritsu and Azusa. That is my favorite part about watching K-On! And I like Stocking, because I am a Gothic Lolita and Kuudere nut. Kuudere personalities for some reason just make me swoon. |
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ukonkivi said: Fair enough. Thanks for the answer. No reason to take that discussion any further in this thread. Gangler said: So then do you subscribe to the notion that high prices justify theft? I subscribe to the notion that it's silly to consider piracy theft. There is already a huge thread about this discussion I have not been to in forever.:/ This discussion probably goes there. In the great pile of re-hashed piracy discussion. kuroshiroi said: Also, piracy discussion :| I am so sorry! Ehem.. uhhh. I like Ritsu and Azusa. That is my favorite part about watching K-On! And I like Stocking, because I am a Gothic Lolita and Kuudere nut. Kuudere personalities for some reason just make me swoon. Azu-nyan is incontrovertibly adorable. I don't even know what it is about her but the charm is irresistible. I'm intrigued by stocking but I don't think I've seen enough of her to form a solid stance yet. She might come out on top or I might just write her off as another shallow archetype filling space. The coming episodes will tell. |
Superluccix said: 1. First off, there is a character in this anime, from what I've heard, looks just like a character in the American Cartoon, Invader Zim (I never watched Invader Zim so I dont know) http://www.buzzyworld.com/zim/archives/downloads/gir_suit_stand.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.buzzyworld.com/zim/archives/downloads/&h=600&w=440&sz=41&tbnid=kUGurfuTSW2MEM:&tbnh=262&tbnw=192&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgir&zoom=1&q=gir&hl=&usg=__cbLvBfHWSWUjcxrahn2mGWVUQ6o=&sa=X&ei=NfGrTJ-FDNSrnge8iP3rBg&ved=0CBkQ9QEwAA" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.buzzyworld.com/zim/archives/downloads/gir_suit_stand.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.buzzyworld.com/zim/archives/downloads/&h=600&w=440&sz=41&tbnid=kUGurfuTSW2MEM:&tbnh=262&tbnw=192&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgir&zoom=1&q=gir&hl=&usg=__cbLvBfHWSWUjcxrahn2mGWVUQ6o=&sa=X&ei=NfGrTJ-FDNSrnge8iP3rBg&ved=0CBkQ9QEwAA now you can be the judge. |
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