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Apr 15, 2024 4:06 AM

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I think this is the expected "women are wiser" trope for this type of comedy,, especially since the target audience is men. Many guys are quite neutral towards shows where female characters are idealized and male characters are portrayed mockingly (not within the confines of Western shows, of course), while you are unlikely to find a shoujo with a mirror attitude. You can compare this with BL and yuri. In the sense that while many fujoshi advocate for female characters and demand that they be treated with respect, dislike or even intolerance of male characters in male part of yuri fandom has long been a meme.

However, if I recall the author's last great work, Mitsudomoe, I would say that it was, on the contrary, very sarcastic or even mocking towards the female characters, while the male ones were portrayed with good-natured irony and sympathy. However, given the premise, perverted and stupid male characters would clearly make the show quite problematic.

Apr 15, 2024 4:06 AM

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Laplace_kun said:
I am only halfway in this show.

And I have noticed one thing. The male middle schoolers are significantly portrayed to be more disgusting than the female ones. Obviously, Adachi himself is soloing for the team. While I appreciate the attempt to portray awkward teenage horniness appropriately, it feels even more weird when the female cast is directly implied to be in something like a moe world. What is the reason for this?

1. To make the main lead Ichikawa look better (I mean I already like him, so it's not necessary)

2. Males have late puberty, meaning girls reach sexual maturity earlier.

3. The author is female (Idk) and has her limitations portraying male teenagers

4. The girls are simply better at hiding their pervy side.

Feel free to share your thoughts! Btw I am absolutely enjoying this show.

(Im a male highschool student)
I think the female auther humbled us 💀

though i have one problem teenage boys are this pervy as is portrayed in the anime, we are weird in more ways than just purvy idk how to explain but
IT IS EHAT IT IS

Also as once a wise man said (there is nothing more gay than teenage boys) also I ain't gay

Apr 15, 2024 4:08 AM

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Laplace_kun said:
I am only halfway in this show.

And I have noticed one thing. The male middle schoolers are significantly portrayed to be more disgusting than the female ones. Obviously, Adachi himself is soloing for the team. While I appreciate the attempt to portray awkward teenage horniness appropriately, it feels even more weird when the female cast is directly implied to be in something like a moe world. What is the reason for this?

1. To make the main lead Ichikawa look better (I mean I already like him, so it's not necessary)

2. Males have late puberty, meaning girls reach sexual maturity earlier.

3. The author is female (Idk) and has her limitations portraying male teenagers

4. The girls are simply better at hiding their pervy side.

Feel free to share your thoughts! Btw I am absolutely enjoying this show.

K ima be serious its probably buz in most anime guys are shown as purvy, love panties and hentai kina stuff so the auther probably when with the flow

Apr 15, 2024 4:14 AM

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From my experience (I grew up in america🤢) it depends on the group of guys. I had a lot of different groups of friends. Some groups would be more pervy than others. Like one group, thats all they would talk about. Which girl was the hottest in class which one had the nicest butt, stuff like that. Once I got into high school. I started to gravitate away from those guys because it was cringe after a while, always talking about the same girls and what they wanted to do to them. It got old and really annoying quick. Yet the main guy in that group always fucked. It was crazy how many girls were always around him. He was like the “pick up artist guy” from the show. I honestly connected SO much with Ichikawa when he was sitting there talking to him self about how annoying those group of guys were cause I went through the same thing kinda. But there are my thoughts

Apr 15, 2024 4:15 AM

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SkypeUwU said:

Laplace_kun said:
I am only halfway in this show.

And I have noticed one thing. The male middle schoolers are significantly portrayed to be more disgusting than the female ones. Obviously, Adachi himself is soloing for the team. While I appreciate the attempt to portray awkward teenage horniness appropriately, it feels even more weird when the female cast is directly implied to be in something like a moe world. What is the reason for this?

1. To make the main lead Ichikawa look better (I mean I already like him, so it's not necessary)

2. Males have late puberty, meaning girls reach sexual maturity earlier.

3. The author is female (Idk) and has her limitations portraying male teenagers

4. The girls are simply better at hiding their pervy side.

Feel free to share your thoughts! Btw I am absolutely enjoying this show.

K ima be serious its probably buz in most anime guys are shown as purvy, love panties and hentai kina stuff so the auther probably when with the flow

Ya that makes since too

Apr 15, 2024 4:20 AM

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The series is about Ichikawa growing out of some of those same types of behaviors and attitudes. The other boys are there for contrast.

tormaidApr 15, 2024 4:27 AM

Apr 15, 2024 4:31 AM

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Laplace_kun said:
I am only halfway in this show.

And I have noticed one thing. The male middle schoolers are significantly portrayed to be more disgusting than the female ones. Obviously, Adachi himself is soloing for the team. While I appreciate the attempt to portray awkward teenage horniness appropriately, it feels even more weird when the female cast is directly implied to be in something like a moe world. What is the reason for this?

1. To make the main lead Ichikawa look better (I mean I already like him, so it's not necessary)

2. Males have late puberty, meaning girls reach sexual maturity earlier.

3. The author is female (Idk) and has her limitations portraying male teenagers

4. The girls are simply better at hiding their pervy side.

Feel free to share your thoughts! Btw I am absolutely enjoying this show.

the way i see it is that its told from ichikawas perspective, so he's seeing more of that side that boys tend to hide from girls. it might have been the opposite if it were told from yamadas perspective, for example.

Apr 15, 2024 4:34 AM

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The series is about Ichikawa growing out of some of those same types of behaviors and attitudes. The other boys are there for contrast.

@tormaid This then creates the male equivalent of a "not like other girls" mentality, which is not the best approach to perceiving an entire gender.

Apr 15, 2024 5:34 AM

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I think the author has made the guys the normal level of pervy (including the mc) but has chosen for the others to more openly express it (because they aren't socially withdrawn like Ichikawa) and the uses that openness for some light hearted comedy.

as for realism, some of the stuff I head from guys at school even at 13/14 years old was way more raunchy than this, and japan is supposed to be a country where kids tend to be have those conversations quite often.

Apr 15, 2024 5:39 AM

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Nah, i’m not gonna hate but the cast is pretty lame. I do think you might be over analyzing the series. imo to make all the boys (aside from ichikawa) complete pervs and dumbasses is just bad writing. The girls are not particularly mature either theyre just not weirdos. And senpai too he is just a ‘cool kid’ who likes yamada. But that is to be expected considering it is mostly focused on ichikawa

Apr 15, 2024 6:55 AM

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guys, remember that both main characters are 14 y/o,
I think the level of perv. the author shows is pretty normal. By the way, I didn't know there was an ONA, where can I watch it please

Apr 15, 2024 6:59 AM

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Laplace_kun said:
1. To make the main lead Ichikawa look better (I mean I already like him, so it's not necessary)

2. Males have late puberty, meaning girls reach sexual maturity earlier.

3. The author is female (Idk) and has her limitations portraying male teenagers

4. The girls are simply better at hiding their pervy side.

Feel free to share your thoughts! Btw I am absolutely enjoying this show.

You just described every wacky Comedy-Romance, ever.
It's how the genre works.

Merve2LoveApr 15, 2024 7:32 AM

Apr 15, 2024 7:15 AM

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Merve2Love said:

Laplace_kun said:
1. To make the main lead Ichikawa look better (I mean I already like him, so it's not necessary)

2. Males have late puberty, meaning girls reach sexual maturity earlier.

3. The author is female (Idk) and has her limitations portraying male teenagers

4. The girls are simply better at hiding their pervy side.

Feel free to share your thoughts! Btw I am absolutely enjoying this show.

You just described every whacky Comedy-Romance, ever.
It's how the genre works.

provide some examples of those shows (just 10 will do)

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo

Apr 15, 2024 7:16 AM

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sloth848 said:
Nah, i’m not gonna hate but the cast is pretty lame. I do think you might be over analyzing the series. imo to make all the boys (aside from ichikawa) complete pervs and dumbasses is just bad writing. The girls are not particularly mature either theyre just not weirdos. And senpai too he is just a ‘cool kid’ who likes yamada. But that is to be expected considering it is mostly focused on ichikawa

Kinda hard to make a cast of 14 year olds interesting without making some absurd situations arise. They can't make them too intricate or the audience will have to begin suspending disbelief.

Apr 15, 2024 7:17 AM

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RobertBobert said:
@tormaid This then creates the male equivalent of a "not like other girls" mentality, which is not the best approach to perceiving an entire gender.

He’s literally not like other guys his age, though, that’s the point: he’s matured a lot over the course of the series—unlearned his sexist tendencies and antisocial behavior. You don’t have to take that as some commentary on boys in general if you don’t want to, that’s just his own personal character arc in the story.

Apr 15, 2024 7:43 AM

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Merve2Love said:

Laplace_kun said:
1. To make the main lead Ichikawa look better (I mean I already like him, so it's not necessary)

2. Males have late puberty, meaning girls reach sexual maturity earlier.

3. The author is female (Idk) and has her limitations portraying male teenagers

4. The girls are simply better at hiding their pervy side.

Feel free to share your thoughts! Btw I am absolutely enjoying this show.

You just described every whacky Comedy-Romance, ever.
It's how the genre works.

provide some examples of those shows (just 10 will do)

You mean:
Series where the male protagonist is significantly more pervy than every female, sidecharacters mainly existing so they can fawn over the MC, lots of awkward teenage-horniness and tropes like "Hidden pervy side of girls" and "Anime-Girls beeing sexually more mature/restrained" ?

You really think these are hard to find? xD

Yeah...No.
As I said, buddy, pretty much every Entrance to the Genre. It really is what it's is all about, most of the time.

You'll find them :)
Don't mistake me for your personal research guy or anything, Im sorry...that's not what we're doing, right now.

Apr 15, 2024 8:38 AM

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If you want a show where the girls are really pervy, It's been a while buy I believe 'O Maidens in your savage season' was like that.

Apr 15, 2024 8:43 AM

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I like this better than most romance anime. Even if he hesitates, he shows more signs of growth in about any of the genre I have seen. The majority of the animes tend to follow they got together because the guy was nice to the girl once, and they fell in love. At least they were friends for a while before they became boyfriend and girlfriend. You can somewhat see a change through the series instead of being stuck in a mood throughout the series.

Apr 15, 2024 8:46 AM

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J2C said:
guys, remember that both main characters are 14 y/o,
I think the level of perv. the author shows is pretty normal. By the way, I didn't know there was an ONA, where can I watch it please

It’s on Hidive . It’s an extra episode at end of last season

Apr 15, 2024 9:09 AM

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RobertBobert said:
@tormaid This then creates the male equivalent of a "not like other girls" mentality, which is not the best approach to perceiving an entire gender.

He’s literally not like other guys his age, though, that’s the point: he’s matured a lot over the course of the series—unlearned his sexist tendencies and antisocial behavior. You don’t have to take that as some commentary on boys in general if you don’t want to, that’s just his own personal character arc in the story.

@tormaid Did Ichikawa ever share these tendencies at all? He never exhibited a "horny teen boy" mentality (even being the one who actively criticized Adachi for it), while at the same time being the only antisocial edgy teenager in the cast. Also, I wouldn't say that Ichikawa should represent "not like the other guys", because even though he is a fairly likable and memorable character, he is still a self-insert for teenagers who use the edgy persona to mask loneliness.

Apr 15, 2024 11:07 AM

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Merve2Love said:
You mean:
Series where the male protagonist is significantly more pervy than every female, sidecharacters mainly existing so they can fawn over the MC, lots of awkward teenage-horniness and tropes like "Hidden pervy side of girls" and "Anime-Girls beeing sexually more mature/restrained" ?

You really think these are hard to find? xD

Yeah...No.
As I said, buddy, pretty much every Entrance to the Genre. It really is what it's is all about, most of the time.

You'll find them :)
Don't mistake me for your personal research guy or anything, Im sorry...that's not what we're doing, right now.

You can choose not to answer, no problem. Though before making such a claim it's appreciable to either back it up or make the sarcasm clear. Otherwise your input has no value whatsoever. Not that I have the right to demand that... Also you have distorted my points to make up your own tropes. I wouldn't have bothered if the sheer gender inequality wasn't so sharp here. Because they have almost everything else down nicely.

Btw even Komi san anime has a balanced cast. There are female and male pervs. Anyway, I don't think this conversation will lead to anything productive...

Laplace_kunApr 15, 2024 12:39 PM

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo

Apr 15, 2024 11:13 AM

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Moppit said:
I like this better than most romance anime. Even if he hesitates, he shows more signs of growth in about any of the genre I have seen. The majority of the animes tend to follow they got together because the guy was nice to the girl once, and they fell in love. At least they were friends for a while before they became boyfriend and girlfriend. You can somewhat see a change through the series instead of being stuck in a mood throughout the series.

As I said, I am fond of Ichikawa. It's the supporting male cast so far, which has a highly contrasting display compared to the female cast.

"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo

Apr 15, 2024 11:31 AM

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The reason is that animanga is generally pretty blatantly sexist, to both genders, when it comes to stereotyped behavior.

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Feb 3, 2025 11:13 PM

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I'm not sure what you guys are smoking, but this anime has one of the more realistic portrayals of 13-14 year old schoolers in media. First of all, women reach puberty much earlier on average, and they go through it faster, at 14-15 many have already completed their puberty or are close to it and stop growing physically. It's similar in mental sense. And at this age boys are the horniest and honestly the way they were portrayed here is pretty tame. Back in my middle-school days, some boys at 13-14 even sexually harassed girls, touched them inappropriately, this was super common. Most boys have already watched porn and fapped, and talked about sex to each other, and yeah, a few have already started their sexual life. And men and women have a different sexuality to begin with, girls usually don't want to bang every hot guy they see, but guys do feel attracted to every hot girl. Women in general don't act openly horny, especially in Japan.

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