Sciadopitys said: Not like any of those crackpot 'conspiracy theories' are literally in their own mission statements and manifestos or anything like that. The burden of proof is on you. (For any of the claims you have made.) You'll need to describe which version of the conspiracy theory you adhere to, then support it with the quotations of these mission statements that allegedly coincide with it. (And not just something vague, but actual declarations that they intend to create a literal one world government, kill off most of humanity, or whatever it is you believe.) |
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H-A-M-M-Y said: I myself lost a total of 57 friends and relatives. You... you good man? I know it depends so much on where you're at, too. Like apparently 1950s Iran had very comparable living conditions to the US at the time; current day Iran not so much. Statistically there's more slaves in today's world than ever before, but they're pretty much all in West Africa and the Pakistan regions so as Westerners it's very much an 'out of sight, out of mind' situation. *sigh* |
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Sciadopitys said: It would be superfluous for me to cite every single instance from different arms of the same monster. Some of these thinktanks even have their own websites which are open to the public ( I'm not linking them here ). The ideology behind the NWO itself is something far bigger than just a small circle of individuals. Herbert George Wells wrote a non-fiction book actually titled, "The New World Order" which was used as an advisory work by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights for drafting the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" in 1948. Wells himself was well known to be a Globalist with strong Socialist leanings. It doesn't get any more in your face than that. The 'NWO conspiracy theory' itself ( I'm using that as a singular ) was never debunked because it was never really a theory at all - it is an actual thing. That's even discounting all the instances that dignitaries outright said "New World Order" in front of millions of people on the camera. Checkmate. You didn't even describe which version of the NWO conspiracy you believe. Contrary to what you claim, there are numerous variants. Some involve most of humanity being exterminated. The phrase new world order has been around a long time and can refer to many different things, including any policy that vaguely affects things on a global scale. The fact that politicians have used the phrase or that authors have described their vision of a new world order doesn't prove anything. You want me quoting you chapter and verse? It's not happening on MAL. If you're really curious, you can look it up your own flipping self. As a matter of fact, I have read hundreds (if not thousands) of pages on the topic. There is no evidence that those with political and economic power are conspiring to create a literal one world government. What it comes down to is whether the public has any reason to trust these bureaucrats, politicos, 'experts' and 'philanthropists'. Of course, the image of it that is sold to the public is the sanitized watered-down one with epic promises of peace, love, sunbeams and rainbow dreams. The lyrics from John Lennon's "Imagine" are a famous example. The words sound all nice and sweet until one understands what they are actually saying....or put more precisely, what it would mean giving up. Hard pass. People are already pretty distrusting of politicians and the like. |
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| And certainly the 2020s is worse than the 2010s. Every passing decade is worse than the prior decade. And if we make it to the 2030s, it will be doubtly even worse than the 2020s. Assuming that NTHE hasn't arrived by then. |
Sciadopitys said: Well what do you think? Is society in a better place now since these wonderboys set about "making the world a better place"? You need only to look around you to see the fruits of their programs. It's not that mysterious. You're avoiding the question. You did not describe the version of the conspiracy you believe. Translation: "Don't believe your lying eyes and defer to me instead!" Sounds legit. So...you can't present any real evidence of the New World Order conspiracy to create a one world government? What a surprise... You are the one saying "trust me, bro" without backing it up. |
SmugSatokoApr 15, 5:45 PM
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SmugSatoko said: You're avoiding the question. You did not describe the version of the conspiracy you believe. I don't think he even knows what version he beliefs or he would have answered who he thinks has power and what their end goal is. |
traed said: I don't think he even knows what version he beliefs or he would have answered who he thinks has power and what their end goal is. He did just post this in a thread about aliens, so it's safe to say he's the type who believes things without evidence. (Though I already knew that.) Sciadopitys said: According to William Bramley's book "The Gods of Eden", they are not only here but have been for quite some time...they also seem to love making people miserable through their many front groups acting on "the world stage" ( to word it in Globalist Speak ). |
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Sciadopitys said: Did you even read the book? Nice try, but as I already explained, the burden of proof is on you. If you claim leprechauns exist, you have to prove they exist. Others don't have to prove leprechauns don't exist. Oh, and wild claims and hearsay (like in books of that nature) are not evidence. |
SmugSatokoApr 15, 6:28 PM
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Sciadopitys said: I never said that the author was able to confirm this, only that they made a case arguing that there could be something going on with that. I can see that subtlety and nuance is not your strong suit. Oh, but you did say this: Sciadopitys said: According to William Bramley's book "The Gods of Eden", they are not only here but have been for quite some time...they also seem to love making people miserable through their many front groups acting on "the world stage" ( to word it in Globalist Speak ). I can see that honesty is not your strong suit. All sorts of unlikely things are technically possible...but that would be missing the point. Sciadopitys said: It's not technically a 'conspiracy' if they wrote it down where anyone not of their intended audience can access it. You wanted more and this was all you got. I do not owe you a comprehensive explanation. You have done little else than probe and gaslight, demanding to know everything about what I know while not revealing anything substantial about yourself or your intentions. Nobody with any brains is going to believe that you were not playing dumb to get as much as you could out of me. I'm not cooperating with your little e-interrogation. Sayonara. Nope, I merely requested that you substantiate your claims. You were unable to do so...and the reason is obvious: it's bullshit. So many things you have said are laughably untrue. And nobody with any brains is going to take your assertions seriously. |
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Sciadopitys said: Smuggo from the start: "The NWO doesn't exist!" Smuggo after: "Okay, the NWO exists as an entity...now prove that their alleged nefarious programs have negatively impacted society! I bet you can't do that!" No, I never said that. (Just because some organizations you mentioned exist does not mean the NWO exists...) I asked for you to describe which version of the conspiracy theory you believe, and you couldn't even handle that much. Any number of things can be said to negatively impact society. That is entirely irrelevant to whether NWO conspiracy theories are true, or to what extent they are true. |
SmugSatokoApr 15, 7:43 PM
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Sciadopitys said: Nearly everything that has ever happened under the auspices of those organs which you conveniently only now assert 'do not prove that it is a thing' are all interrelated. Again, I do not owe a comprehensive explanation to you, especially since you would obviously never be satisfied no matter what ( I can tell ). I could present reams and it would do no good. I am uninterested in continuing this. I guess you take the win. Here's your cigar chico. I'm sorry that you don't care enough to show any evidence at all, but alrighty. I did not "conveniently only now" assert that the existence of the listed organizations does not prove the NWO also exists; I explicitly stated that from the onset, since it's kind of obvious logic. It's about as silly as pointing out any random bank as proof of the NWO. |
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H-A-M-M-Y said:
I myself lost a total of 57 friends and relatives.
I myself lost a total of 57 friends and relatives.
You... you good man?
I know it depends so much on where you're at, too. Like apparently 1950s Iran had very comparable living conditions to the US at the time; current day Iran not so much. Statistically there's more slaves in today's world than ever before, but they're pretty much all in West Africa and the Pakistan regions so as Westerners it's very much an 'out of sight, out of mind' situation. *sigh*
| @KingOfPneumos Yeah, I'm better now. Thank you for asking. ^^ Also, true. Even in Iran (I've actually been there), there are places that are far worse than others. Like, when I was in Tehran and talked about visiting the southern and eastern regions, people looked at me as if I were mentally ill. Tehran itself wasn't half-bad, but it is a step-down from what it used to be. And regarding slavery and bonded labour, I believe one reason why it's exploded is due to the growing wealth gap. Also, many of the poorer people have been forced into poverty and have entered modern slavery in a bid to survive. This is what's happening here in Pakistan, especially after the floods and the current recession. |
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@KingOfPneumos
Yeah, I'm better now. Thank you for asking. ^^
Also, true. Even in Iran (I've actually been there), there are places that are far worse than others. Like, when I was in Tehran and talked about visiting the southern and eastern regions, people looked at me as if I were mentally ill. Tehran itself wasn't half-bad, but it is a step-down from what it used to be.
And regarding slavery and bonded labour, I believe one reason why it's exploded is due to the growing wealth gap. Also, many of the poorer people have been forced into poverty and have entered modern slavery in a bid to survive. This is what's happening here in Pakistan, especially after the floods and the current recession.
Yeah, I'm better now. Thank you for asking. ^^
Also, true. Even in Iran (I've actually been there), there are places that are far worse than others. Like, when I was in Tehran and talked about visiting the southern and eastern regions, people looked at me as if I were mentally ill. Tehran itself wasn't half-bad, but it is a step-down from what it used to be.
And regarding slavery and bonded labour, I believe one reason why it's exploded is due to the growing wealth gap. Also, many of the poorer people have been forced into poverty and have entered modern slavery in a bid to survive. This is what's happening here in Pakistan, especially after the floods and the current recession.
| @H-A-M-M-Y I recall watching a video on exactly that - how families will be forced into generational slavery because of taking on debts. I wish I knew more about that sort of thing but finding reliable information by sifting through the modern media-scape takes a lot of time.. |
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| Of course you can argue older generations were worst, but talking generally about what people on this site have lived through, we're in an awful decade. Everybody just chasing money and 'fame' at the cost of others livelihoods, not to mention inflation, Covid, and the general isolation people are facing. It's so hard trying to meet new people, have relationships, and just generally live your life comfortably now. |
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