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Jun 5, 2023 7:55 AM
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Straight to the question: was Gyokko actually weak or Muichirou is just that strong among the Hashiras?

Any of the attacks of Gyokko honestly looked like something that literally any of the Hashiras, and even our main trio could've easily countered
So looking at this fight, I feel like any of the characters could've taken him down solo
While the other upper ranks we've seen in battle so far put up much more of a fight, giving the demon slayers lot more trouble

Maybe Gyokko had more potential, but he let his status as an upper rank get to his head and think Muichirou stood no chance from the beginning, so let his guard down?

What do you think?
Jun 5, 2023 8:47 AM
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It will be explained later on, but no, Gyokko wasn't weak. Muichiro just became insanely stronger... how? Like I said, it will be explained later on in the story. :P
Jun 5, 2023 8:51 AM
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OK so yeah it's most probably a mixture of two things.
First, Gyokko is the weakest Upper moon. Even though he is placed higher, Muzan himself confirmed that Gyutaro would have been higher up the ranks if not for daki. This pretty much confirms gyokko being weaker then Gyutaro. (Also people should remember that tengen despite being weaker was able to hold on against gyutaro with just one arm. That's a hell of an achievement and makes you think gyutaro wasn't powerful by a big margin either)
Secondly, Muichiro is strong af. Tengen is on the weaker side of the list and many people consider Rengoku to be weaker then Muichiro. Tokito is on the more powerful side of the list of strongest current hashiras. Tengen would have had a hard time dealing with Gyokko.
Also an additional point to note is the mark. The mark is a significant boost to one's capabilities. This is like the 2nd or 3rd time we are seeing the mark so many people might not know its true importance. You all will get to know how much power boost a mark will give its user later on.
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Jun 6, 2023 6:10 PM
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-Aincrad- said:
Straight to the question: was Gyokko actually weak or Muichirou is just that strong among the Hashiras?

Any of the attacks of Gyokko honestly looked like something that literally any of the Hashiras, and even our main trio could've easily countered
So looking at this fight, I feel like any of the characters could've taken him down solo
While the other upper ranks we've seen in battle so far put up much more of a fight, giving the demon slayers lot more trouble

Maybe Gyokko had more potential, but he let his status as an upper rank get to his head and think Muichirou stood no chance from the beginning, so let his guard down?

What do you think?

Gyokko is the weakest I've ever seen. Battles with the spider family are more challenging

Jun 6, 2023 7:35 PM
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immanuel- said:
-Aincrad- said:
Straight to the question: was Gyokko actually weak or Muichirou is just that strong among the Hashiras?

Any of the attacks of Gyokko honestly looked like something that literally any of the Hashiras, and even our main trio could've easily countered
So looking at this fight, I feel like any of the characters could've taken him down solo
While the other upper ranks we've seen in battle so far put up much more of a fight, giving the demon slayers lot more trouble

Maybe Gyokko had more potential, but he let his status as an upper rank get to his head and think Muichirou stood no chance from the beginning, so let his guard down?

What do you think?

Gyokko is the weakest I've ever seen. Battles with the spider family are more challenging


Thats a terrible comparison tbh. Muichiro would’ve made quick work of that spider family, you’re comparing a fight from a relatively inexperienced and weak trio of Tanjiro, Inosuke, and Zenitsu to a Hashira, and one of the most talented ones at that. Look what happened when Giyu and Shinobu showed up, the spider family looked like typical spiders on the wall. Gyokko is the weakest upper moon, but comparing him to those arachnids is an insult to that weirdo lol.
Jun 7, 2023 3:00 AM
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-Aincrad- said:
Straight to the question: was Gyokko actually weak or Muichirou is just that strong among the Hashiras?

Any of the attacks of Gyokko honestly looked like something that literally any of the Hashiras, and even our main trio could've easily countered
So looking at this fight, I feel like any of the characters could've taken him down solo
While the other upper ranks we've seen in battle so far put up much more of a fight, giving the demon slayers lot more trouble

Maybe Gyokko had more potential, but he let his status as an upper rank get to his head and think Muichirou stood no chance from the beginning, so let his guard down?

What do you think?

Many reasons.
1. Muichiro is just so much stronger than tengen.
2. Gyokko was playing around cuz he thought he was weak.
3. If gyokko fought tengen, tengen would be a fish. & I'd muichiro fought gyutaro then gyutaro would get 1 tapped like gyokko.
Jun 7, 2023 3:01 AM
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OK so yeah it's most probably a mixture of two things.
First, Gyokko is the weakest Upper moon. Even though he is placed higher, Muzan himself confirmed that Gyutaro would have been higher up the ranks if not for daki. This pretty much confirms gyokko being weaker then Gyutaro. (Also people should remember that tengen despite being weaker was able to hold on against gyutaro with just one arm. That's a hell of an achievement and makes you think gyutaro wasn't powerful by a big margin either)
Secondly, Muichiro is strong af. Tengen is on the weaker side of the list and many people consider Rengoku to be weaker then Muichiro. Tokito is on the more powerful side of the list of strongest current hashiras. Tengen would have had a hard time dealing with Gyokko.
Also an additional point to note is the mark. The mark is a significant boost to one's capabilities. This is like the 2nd or 3rd time we are seeing the mark so many people might not know its true importance. You all will get to know how much power boost a mark will give its user later on.

That was never stated by muzan. Istg u ppl who say this don't read the manga with ur eyes open
Jun 7, 2023 4:54 AM
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OK yeah my mistake. I should have used different wordings. Muzan didn't specifically say that he could have been higher up the rank but that daki proved to be his weakness and he would have killed them if not for her. It could be inferred from here that gyutaro alone is far stronger than with daki.
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Jun 7, 2023 8:21 AM
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BenchNaldo said:
FZREMAKE said:
OK so yeah it's most probably a mixture of two things.
First, Gyokko is the weakest Upper moon. Even though he is placed higher, Muzan himself confirmed that Gyutaro would have been higher up the ranks if not for daki. This pretty much confirms gyokko being weaker then Gyutaro. (Also people should remember that tengen despite being weaker was able to hold on against gyutaro with just one arm. That's a hell of an achievement and makes you think gyutaro wasn't powerful by a big margin either)
Secondly, Muichiro is strong af. Tengen is on the weaker side of the list and many people consider Rengoku to be weaker then Muichiro. Tokito is on the more powerful side of the list of strongest current hashiras. Tengen would have had a hard time dealing with Gyokko.
Also an additional point to note is the mark. The mark is a significant boost to one's capabilities. This is like the 2nd or 3rd time we are seeing the mark so many people might not know its true importance. You all will get to know how much power boost a mark will give its user later on.

That was never stated by muzan. Istg u ppl who say this don't read the manga with ur eyes open

Finally someone said it
Jun 7, 2023 8:35 AM
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Putting aside the fact that Tengen vs Gyutaro fight was longer, better done, and better animated which makes us think that Gyutaro was way stronger and more challenging than Gyokko, who was really weak in the fight, there are a few key factors that we should take into account if we talk about Muichiro and Gyokko strength.

1. At the Tengen vs Gyutaro moment, Muichiro was already a stronger demon slayer than Tengen (overall, not pure strength).
2. Muichiro is a genius. He is a sun breather's descendant. He became Hashira after two months of training. Considering that, and the fact the SSV Arc takes place a few months after ED Arc, we can assume that Muichiro gained a lot of strength cause of months of training, so in Mucihiro vs Gyokko fight, he was stronger than Tengen was in his fight, even more than before.
3. As the Demon Slayers Corp Master said - Muichiro gained a lot of strength after getting out of amnesia.
4. The Mark on his cheeks
5. Gyokko was strong enough to dodge Muichiro's attacks and hit him with his poison and then trap him in the water trap. So Gyokko (without his final form) won against Muichiro but lost because of his arrogance. If he had decided to finish him off - the result would be an easy win for Upper Moon 5 against Hashira Muichiro Tokito. Later then he lost to awaked and marked Muichiro.

That means Gyokko was really strong. And it also means the Mark buff is super strong. Marked Muichiro is so much stronger overall, he would probably one-shot Gyutaro too. Without the Mark, Muichiro would have lost against Gyokko probably.












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Jun 7, 2023 5:02 PM
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tbh the problem with the matchup is that marks are just broken as hell. when people compare tengen and muichiro most people say that muichiro is stronger without mark but he was getting hit by an um4 clone and gyokko without really doing anything and if tengen had the mark he would have 1 shot gyutaro and daki at the start of the fight too. The mark just makes who ever has it MUCH stronger as you can see with tanjiro in the gyutaro and UM4 fight.
Jun 7, 2023 6:53 PM
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MusashiKarlsefni said:
immanuel- said:

Gyokko is the weakest I've ever seen. Battles with the spider family are more challenging


Thats a terrible comparison tbh. Muichiro would’ve made quick work of that spider family, you’re comparing a fight from a relatively inexperienced and weak trio of Tanjiro, Inosuke, and Zenitsu to a Hashira, and one of the most talented ones at that. Look what happened when Giyu and Shinobu showed up, the spider family looked like typical spiders on the wall. Gyokko is the weakest upper moon, but comparing him to those arachnids is an insult to that weirdo lol.


Oh, I see your point, dude. The Spider family won't survive if Muichiro is there. Two most LOL. It's just that Gyokko is a buzzkill. It made me realize that even a genius like Koyoharu Gotouge has her limits. I really miss the Iatsukan in the previous season. Gyokko is so forgettable.


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immanuel- said:
MusashiKarlsefni said:

Thats a terrible comparison tbh. Muichiro would’ve made quick work of that spider family, you’re comparing a fight from a relatively inexperienced and weak trio of Tanjiro, Inosuke, and Zenitsu to a Hashira, and one of the most talented ones at that. Look what happened when Giyu and Shinobu showed up, the spider family looked like typical spiders on the wall. Gyokko is the weakest upper moon, but comparing him to those arachnids is an insult to that weirdo lol.


Oh, I see your point, dude. The Spider family won't survive if Muichiro is there. Two most LOL. It's just that Gyokko is a buzzkill. It made me realize that even a genius like Koyoharu Gotouge has her limits. I really miss the Iatsukan in the previous season. Gyokko is so forgettable.



Yeah he really could’ve benefitted from a backstory at the very least. Other than his design, he didn’t really stand out ability wise even tho it feels like he should’ve. The mustache fish were funny tho lol

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