_Mawr_ said: 3looming said: clown ass bait. dystopian capitalism forces ppl into bad decisions, just take the L and accept it Nothing what i said is in conflit with what you said was meant to be a response to OP, sry |
| -- art-house/psychological/stylish/philosophical anime enjoyer with yuri bias and the attention span of a smol-antlered creature -- |
| Isn't that the point of the whole show? The characters have their own ambitions to the point where they commit irrational actions to achieve those ambitions. Saying that this kind of story will ruin the medium is plain stupid. These kinds of tragedies have already been depicted in classical literatures. |
| Uh huh, you gave Redo of Healer a 10 your opinions are not to be taken seriously |
| how is cyberpunk going to ruin the medium when rent-a-girlfriend classroom of the elite stepsister is my ex all aired in the past few months? |
| Man, MAL has an empathy problem |
| Yeah the plot was just too trash for this to be ranked this high imo. Solid anime that embodied the game but the thing was just pure aesthetic. |
Mathi786 said: I know everyone's simping for this anime really hard but hear me out All i wanna ask is "don't you think it was all pointless", To make my point more clear I want to appreciate the good things I mean visuals, sound tracks,color schemes, choreography and ofc feels, it had all that but what about logic, if I sum up the story it goes like this A boy lost his mum and than started hanging out in bad gatherings than got addicted to things that were bad for him, went crazy killed innocent people and than died, This was the fucking story why would someone give about something so idiotic, can't these people think for second, and are we supposed to root for these guys? What's next, making a show about serial killers and justifying their killing habits? All i wanna say is that I wholeheartedly agree with what that doctor guy said when giving David his last medicine "Go be a legend or whatever the fuck you people do" This show reminded of a much better show named bungou stray dogs, character in that show had the same circumstances but they weren't bad and selfish people, they helped each other out and became people unlike David and his friends and the end the conclusion show gave us was so mediocre, Lucy went to the moon as a bloody tourist, David gave his life so Lucy could get a vacation how dumb is that🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Anyway this show was done amazing but it had no logic behind it and the only character with a bit of a brain was Lucy but she was always naked Which is so annoying and distracting (and incredibly sexy ofc) So well m giving it 7 just bcz of how well done it was but I hope they don't keep making these kinda shows, it'll Ruin the anime as a medium Edit: A lot of people are saying that characters made bad decisions bcz of circumstances and I just fail to see how that would actually work, why couldn't David honor his mom's dream and try to be better or why did he kept upgrading until he became less human and more machine, someone said there are no other career choices other than being a cyberpunk but there were police officers and other corporate people like that innocent women which David shot just bcz he was losing it, he made her son an orphan bcz he slipped a bit, What m saying is that circumstances are not an excuse for killing people or being a bad person I really thought we were beyond "if every character is not a paragon of morality and logic then that is bad writing." Guess some people never learn. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
Mathi786 said: BlueSpirit9319 said: [I am concluding now. Last thing i want to say is don't dare talk shits about Lucy or I will Kill you 🔫. And yes I am a simp proudly You're doing that bcz of all those naked scenes right? It's opposite for me, I would've liked her very much if she was just teasing her hotness, but nope she was naked almost the whole show and that was a real turn offl Character design exists lmao |
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| The genre of "enterprising gangster rises to the top of the criminal underworld, ends up dying at the end" is a very old one. There were plenty of such movies in the 1930's; the original "Scarface", "The Public Enemy", "Little Caesar", etc. I wouldn't call these pictures "pointless"; they're tragedies, one of the oldest type of human stories, passed down from the ancient Greeks. They're also frequently morality tales, which are "merely" hundreds of years old. There's an awful lot to criticize Edgerunners for, but not its subgenre. |
Mathi786 said: CickNipolla said: how is cyberpunk going to ruin the medium when rent-a-girlfriend classroom of the elite stepsister is my ex all aired in the past few months? These shows aren't made to be taken seriously nor do they take themselves seriously like edge runners you dont think a show like classroom of the elite is meant to be taken seriously? lol |
| really gave more context for some of the actions for me, especially david! tl;dw david doesn't really have a dream, he's a blank slate that doesn't mind helping other people with their dreams, and he's deluded into trying to live up to his moms and maines expectations, otherwise he feels their deaths would mean nothing. |
Mathi786 said: Who the fuck is talking about morality, can't you even read now? So you're just outright not aware of what you yourself are talking about. That would, at the very least, explain why you'd spout such nonsense. I was talking about intelligence and yes we if people are dumb enough to make stupid decisions every step of the than that's bad writing for sure Evidently I need to elaborate. What you think of as "intelligence" is actually omniscience. You want the cast to intrinsically know, predict, even, what the "right" decision is in every scenario. This may be apparent to you, the viewer - though based on your comments I doubt even that - but the characters, having intentions, formative experiences, weaknesses and beliefs of their own, do not have such a perspective. The point of the show is to demonstrate how such a situation is destructive to the human psyche, figuratively and literally. Your expectations of everyone being perfect and immediately solving everything with smiles and sunshine simply isn't met here, and for the better. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| First Polish turd IP friendo? |
I may make you feel but I can't make you think.  |
| Ive watched this show and im happy to rate your comment as invalid. Troll me, I troll you. Next eps pls!! CickNipolla said: how is cyberpunk going to ruin the medium when rent-a-girlfriend classroom of the elite stepsister is my ex all aired in the past few months? |
 To have you, Id give a billion lives A-Chan best girl |
| the story is pretty basic in this show but i think what makes it is everything around the story (even though even some of that isn't that good) idk over all i think its a good show but its definitely overhyped and overrated. |
| >All i wanna ask is "don't you think it was all pointless" It was, thats the whole point of the story. |
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| This is a bit meta, but being familiar with most of Trigger's work I couldn't help but fall into the mindset of the protagonist. The basic plot structure in Trigger Studio anime are always the same. The main character IS always special. They ARE "built different". Throughout my entire watching of Edgerunners I was begrudgingly waiting for the moment where David surpasses the limits of his powers and morbs everyone, but I was pleasantly surprised to actually see his actions have consequence. I thought it was refreshing to see Trigger Studio subvert their own formula. |
| Signature is too edgy for me. |
| You must be a big fan of Requiem of a dream |
| One more thing. Have you never heard of a tragedy? "Protagonist ultimately falls due to a combination of circumstance and character flaw" is like the most basic interpretation of a Greek tragedy. You can prefer stories where the protagonist overcomes their flaws, but you know your entire critique of Edgerunners is that it's a tragedy? |
| Signature is too edgy for me. |
| I do like Cyberpunk Edgerunners a lot, but I agree that David made a lot of stupid and wrong choices. But they look stupid in our eyes, but maybe not for him. Okay, he is a fictional person, but still, choices you make are based on what you have been through, what you have seen, your memories etc. Choices you made are based on the reality you live in, and everyone has their own reality. To say if he really make good or bad choices, we need to stand in his shoes. The hatred and problems he had, made him the person he is. In his eyes, those choices where right. We look things from a other perspective, because we have a other reality. And sometimes choices are made for you. For example out of emotions or instinct. And even though David was a bit childish at times, he was full of hate and I think that hate and his emotions made a lot of choices for him, whether he wanted or not. |
Toonen1988Oct 2, 2022 1:04 PM
| "Most people talk about killing time while time is killing them. You can outrun everything but you'll never outrun the hands of time. Use it wisely before you expire". - Toonen1988 "Cyberpunk show us the dark side, reveiling the dangerous side effects of the drug of futurism." - Indigo Gaming |
| Bro this ain't fucking Fairy Tail You watched how fucked up was the setting in episode 1 and decided to continue. Now don't bitch about it. What else did you expect? David and Lucy in a wedding for the final episode 😂 this ain't My Dress up Darling |
anikevinOct 2, 2022 11:15 PM
samthestan said: Hard disagree! This is "the struggles of being poor" the anime. Scrapping by for money, oppressed by a shitty capitalist system, vices surrounding young impressionable people, it's a recipe for failure. That's what our main characters are, failures. As corny as it sounds, the main characters were failed by a corrupt society that gave them no legs to stand on. This is a problem that we're facing today. Mega corporations getting away with shady shit on the daily, getting paid scraps so we can get by, never being able to retire! Just replace cyberware with drugs and it's basically society in 2077. This anime is a grim hyperbolized view of our future society. Is it fon a be that frame for frame? probably not but the signs are certainly pointing towards it. Perfect explanation. It seems like this show has brought a ton of new people into the genre. Cyberpunk isn't a style, it's a genre defined by its themes. |
Mathi786 said: Either you're not hearing me or haven't seen the show, Oh I'm hearing you alright. The problem here is that, as I pointed out before, you're utterly lost when it comes to thinking about what you're saying. I'm pointing out how this is the case, how what you think characters should actually be doing ignores the actual ideas behind the show, and you're attempting to respond to this by simply repeating your errors over and over. I m not talking about omniscience or whatever fancy word you're using to sound smart, Tell me what you think omniscience means, without looking it up, and why that isn't what you're actually speaking about. Prove to me I'm "using it to sound smart," and not just outright correct. I m simply talking about a better choice, David literally had no stakes in the story and he did everything on the rule of "this might happen as well", And now you're plain making shit up. David's sanity, life, reputation and bonds were all at stake, and there was never any such "rule" guiding his actions. To ask me if I had watched the show, and then to claim this, comical, truly comical. its as simple as taking poison on regular basis,.if you do that you can't blame the city or circumstances, it just you own fault, Really? Why can you not blame circumstances? You should by now know that that's entirely the point of the show and the Cyberpunk genre as a whole, so do elaborate on how you just "can't." Look I think m not getting to you but I want to you to imagine yourself or people around you as david and think what would a sane simple person who doesn't want to die would do if you still think what David is ok than so be it Now this is rather funny, because in your attempt to try and explain your point you've exposed precisely what's wrong with it. You are imagining yourself as David, you see that he doesn't do what you would, therefore you think he's dumb and the show is awful. But you aren't David. This isn't some half-arsed Isekai ooh-look-the-main-character-is-a-gamer-with-no-friends-he's-totally-you. He found something that, in his eyes, was worth more than his own life, and so didn't mind dying. You, sat at home, just cannot fathom that, and so you fail to understand the show. Actually, that bears repeating. You are saying the show is bad because the protagonist isn't you. Think about that for a moment. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
Mathi786 said: Now if you say David isn't a sane person or this is a story of a dumb character than get the fuck out of here, you don't understand fundamentals of storytelling No, it would seem it's you that very, very clearly doesn't. As more than one person in this thread has pointed out, bad decisions made based on character flaws are the foundation of a tragedy. O_T_T had you pinned from the start. You keep suggesting over and over again that, essentially, "if every character (David) is not a paragon of morality and logic then that is bad writing." So what if circumstances aren't an excuse to do bad things? We're not watching the story of a hero. So what if he and others make imperfect decisions? We're not watching the story of perfect people. Your criticism of this show is based on the most mundane misunderstanding of the genres of cyberpunk and tragedy. You are free to dislike it, that's valid. Personally, I thought the biggest flaw of the show was the pacing. However, I would advise against pretending to know the "fundamentals of storytelling" any further. |
Mathi786 said: BlueSpirit9319 said: [I am concluding now. Last thing i want to say is don't dare talk shits about Lucy or I will Kill you 🔫. And yes I am a simp proudly You're doing that bcz of all those naked scenes right? It's opposite for me, I would've liked her very much if she was just teasing her hotness, but nope she was naked almost the whole show and that was a real turn offl I just wrote whole fucking book and u just have to quote that part dawg 💀 |
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Mathi786 said: you stated we're not watching a story of a hero, if you say than I have no other complain, Then we've come to an understanding, as long as you're able to recognize that just because you can't sympathize with the character doesn't mean others can't. You're under no obligation to like the characters of Edgerunners, I just feel as though there's no point in a moral grandstand claiming that it's bad writing because the characters are not good or wise people and you couldn't connect to them. |
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