(Manga) Question about the rumbling and Eren

s1nful said:
Can anyone explain the true reason why did Eren chose to start a rumbling? I watched some youtube videos and read some forum topics but this still seems a bit complicated to me.. Is it only to protect Armin, Mikasa and the others or is it to end this whole titan cycle, or only to be free?? My head just can't handle this :D

s1nful said:
Can anyone explain the true reason why did Eren chose to start a rumbling? I watched some youtube videos and read some forum topics but this still seems a bit complicated to me.. Is it only to protect Armin, Mikasa and the others or is it to end this whole titan cycle, or only to be free?? My head just can't handle this :D

s1nful said:
Can anyone explain the true reason why did Eren chose to start a rumbling? I watched some youtube videos and read some forum topics but this still seems a bit complicated to me.. Is it only to protect Armin, Mikasa and the others or is it to end this whole titan cycle, or only to be free?? My head just can't handle this :D

s1nful said:
Can anyone explain the true reason why did Eren chose to start a rumbling? I watched some youtube videos and read some forum topics but this still seems a bit complicated to me.. Is it only to protect Armin, Mikasa and the others or is it to end this whole titan cycle, or only to be free?? My head just can't handle this :D

I read the manga when first part of the final season ended and to this day I still don't get it, I think I'll just wait for anime to finish maybe then I will understand something 😭

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s1nful said:
Can anyone explain the true reason why did Eren chose to start a rumbling? I watched some youtube videos and read some forum topics but this still seems a bit complicated to me.. Is it only to protect Armin, Mikasa and the others or is it to end this whole titan cycle, or only to be free?? My head just can't handle this :D

I read the manga when first part of the final season ended and to this day I still don't get it, I think I'll just wait for anime to finish maybe then I will understand something 😭

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Yetzest said:
Basically, Eren wanted to see “Armin’s Scene” from the very start. So he eamted to go beyond the walls. But when he accomplished that, he was disappointed with the world he saw. So he wanted to destroy that world in order to create his own utopian world, which is free.

I checked the other posts and it is kinda funny how generally everyone said “protecting his loved ones”. Eren wanted to protect his loved ones for sure, but that was not the main motive of Rumbling.

deg said:


that new OP and ED song are totally misleading them lol

or is it a sign of an anime original ending?

_spoon_ said:
unknown the writer did a terrible job of explaining it

Yetzest said:


I don’t think it is a sign of an anime original ending. To be honest, they already confirmed the ending won’t change by confirming Rumbling. Because if Eren doesn’t stop Rumbling in chapter 131, that would be inconsistent for Eren. And Isayama wouldn’t want that imo.

Yetzest said:


I don’t think it is a sign of an anime original ending. To be honest, they already confirmed the ending won’t change by confirming Rumbling. Because if Eren doesn’t stop Rumbling in chapter 131, that would be inconsistent for Eren. And Isayama wouldn’t want that imo.

Yetzest said:


I don’t think it is a sign of an anime original ending. To be honest, they already confirmed the ending won’t change by confirming Rumbling. Because if Eren doesn’t stop Rumbling in chapter 131, that would be inconsistent for Eren. And Isayama wouldn’t want that imo.

Yetzest said:


Or maybe you just didn’t understand it? Because “the writer” didn’t just explain this, “the writer” explained this explicitly. Eren’s main motive for Rumbling is not even implicit mate.

Tokoya said:
That's not what AoE is....What AoE entails is that instead of Eren stupidly allowing only 80% of the world to be destroyed via The Rumbling, instead via the anime timeline, he's going to complete it 100% thus creating the world/peace that he wants because Paradis's enemies (Whether that includes his friends or not) will all be dead

There's videos on youtube on it that details it all so if you want me to link one for you so that you can understand the bigger picture of it, I can do that

Yetzest said:


What i am saying is that there is no point in him completing the Rumbling. The Whole point of chapter 131 is Eren misunderstanding freedom. Why would he still complete the Rumbling after knowing it won’t grant him freedom?

Yetzest said:


What i am saying is that there is no point in him completing the Rumbling. The Whole point of chapter 131 is Eren misunderstanding freedom. Why would he still complete the Rumbling after knowing it won’t grant him freedom?

_spoon_ said:
It was very badly explained, the reason op, me, and many other people didn't understand it well is like I said the writer did a bad job of explaining it and made it very confusing to understand. I guess by me saying unknown at the being of my first message might have made you take it as me saying the author made no explanation so that's my bad.

Tokoya said:
Freedom for Paradis, not just himself....He doesn't do the Rumbling they get destroyed by the world, did you just forget that key plot point lol

The only way peace can be obtained is for Eren to kill them all...It's fucked up, but given the way the story has been written from the jump, it's really the only solution, because as we saw in the manga ending, Paradis/Armin trying to Talk no Jutsu the world into letting them live and co-exist peacefully ultimately fails (Which was fucking obvious from jump street) - hence why this ending in the manga is so fucking shit and makes no sense

The only thing Eren achieved is screwing over his people which is the complete opposite of his goal/who he is

Yetzest said:


Some readers not understanding doesn’t mean it is badly explained. It just means some readers didn’t have enough reading comprehension (I am not saying this to be offensive so don’t get me wrong.). Eren’s main motive was explained early in the manga and also was summarised in Chapter 131.

“Eren, why did you want to see outside?”
“Because any people who have seen those would be the freest person in the World. This is Freedom.”

Eren wanted to see “Armin’s view”. But when he went beyond he walls, he was disappointed. The world wasn’t like it was in Armin’s book. So Eren wanted to wipe this world and create his utopian world in order to see “those things” and in fact be free.

As you see his motive for Rumbling was explained PRETTY EXPLICITLY and well. It is so clear that it is not even open to interpretation. As a bonus, i don’t know which chapter it is but early in the manga, there is a panel which Eren says to Armin “I realized i wasn’t free when i see the light in your eyes when you were talking about the scene, but i couldn’t see it.”. I hope i was clear enough. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Tokoya said:
Freedom for Paradis, not just himself....He doesn't do the Rumbling they get destroyed by the world, did you just forget that key plot point lol

The only way peace can be obtained is for Eren to kill them all...It's fucked up, but given the way the story has been written from the jump, it's really the only solution, because as we saw in the manga ending, Paradis/Armin trying to Talk no Jutsu the world into letting them live and co-exist peacefully ultimately fails (Which was fucking obvious from jump street) - hence why this ending in the manga is so fucking shit and makes no sense

The only thing Eren achieved is screwing over his people which is the complete opposite of his goal/who he is

deg said:


question why do you think Eren let his friends still have their titan powers then?

his desire for the rumbling is also conflicting with second goal of saving his friends right? and he achieved both of his goals especially letting his friends live a long life

_spoon_ said:
I'm pretty sure if a lot of people didn't understand then it is badly explained, and just because you don't understand an explanation doesn't mean you lack basic reading comprehension bruh. Also, you removed a lot of dialogue when he said he wanted to become a martyr, end the cycle of hatred, wanting to save his friends, remove the titan curse etc. Multiple different motivations are explained hence why it's hard to understand. I really don't want to argue with you.

Tokoya said:
Only Eren had his powers still (It's actually one of the reasons why people think that the loop will continue and thus cause AoE because he still had his Titan markings activated despite being dead/getting rid of the powers)

But as for his friends, this was the end that Armin ultimately wanted, not Eren, and as such Eren decided to put his faith in Armin to see if he can truly achieve that freedom he always wanted (Because here, we are supposed to believe that Armin is the true hero lol), and yes Armin managed to do just that....But that was only for him and his friends....Paradis never achieved freedom from the hatred/racism/pain subjected onto them by the world because as we saw, the world came back and obliterated them, no questions asked lol (And rightfully so too)

If they were free from it all, the island would still be populated and thriving and not a wasteland

deg said:


i mean Eren could have just put all his friends to sleep via his founding titan power and the PATHS until he completed the rumbling but he did not do so so that means he knows he will not complete the rumbling since he let his friends stop him

RicCianc said:
He sacrificed himself so all the world will see him as the "devil" and Paradis as normal people, because they fought together with Marley to kill Eren.

Also to end the titan power, to save his friend and to free Ymir.

Tokoya said:
There was many things that Eren could have done that would have made a ton of sense in order to complete the Rumbling lol but yet here we are

Isayama decided to tell us that Eren, the man with all the knowledge and power in the world and then some, this vary same man whose ability surpasses space and time, that this very same man had no fucking idea what he was doing this whole time and instead decided to leave it all to Jesus Armin who in the end, contradicted his entire fucking character/goal and THANKED Eren for killing 80% of the world

I was going to respond to you too @Yetzest but your post has shown me that your head canon and just overall misinterpretation of everything is so strong that I'm not gonna even bother but what I will say about the first part is that YES, it is impossible for them achieve world peace.....That's why Eren was going to destroy the world lol

There was no conflict anymore in Paradis....That entire island was pro Eren and the only people who were trying to stop him were his friends lol - And as we saw 80-100 years later, the island was peaceful and thriving without a care in the world as a result of the psuedo freedom that Armin gave them....Imagine if they REALLY were free

Yetzest said:


AOT’s point was that world peace and ultimate freedom being impossible. As long as mankind exists mankind’s malice will never end. Even Erwin says that. As long as Eren doesn’t kill everyone including himself there won’t be peace or ultimate freedom. And as far as everyone knows, Eren killing his friends is inconsistent for his character. So that is inconsistent to theme of AOT and Eren’s character. And also as i explained, it is not a solution if you only kill the enemies instead of everyone. “Talk no Jutsu” is corny but i’ll pass not criticising it. Eren knew Paradise could get hundreds years later. The point was Eren’s friends living long lives and so on, be free by seeing the beautiful days. Eren achieved a path for his friends’ freedom, learnt and realized what really freedom was and become free at the end (Grounded). Eren achieved more than what you think. And you are criticising Eren for not achieving something that is literally impossible and only possible in 1 way which is the opposite thing he want. Ironic, isn’t it?

Tokoya said:
There was many things that Eren could have done that would have made a ton of sense in order to complete the Rumbling lol but yet here we are

Isayama decided to tell us that Eren, the man with all the knowledge and power in the world and then some, this vary same man whose ability surpasses space and time, that this very same man had no fucking idea what he was doing this whole time and instead decided to leave it all to Jesus Armin who in the end, contradicted his entire fucking character/goal and THANKED Eren for killing 80% of the world

BloodyTaer said:
Please post your manga topics in the manga forum, or is that too much for your brain to handle?

deg said:


this is the manga section

deg said:


thats the point Eren have a dilemma or conflict of interest going on with balancing him wanting to do the rumbling and him wanting his friends to have a long life and he did both good enough

Aastik_V said:


Eren is a selfish character first , he wanted to rumble the world to gain freedom , he cared for his friends but not more than his selfish goal.
He didn't know that alliance would stop him if he knew he would never fight Armin with his collosal form . The alliance heavily outpowered eren . And his " i killed 80 percent of the world so u can live with peace " comes out as an excuse to justify his horrific actions , and do you really think eren would just let his friends kill him? He did all this just to be free ain't no way a character driven by freedom would just let his friends kill him
Paradis had to live in fear that's why they established their own army and historia took the helm.
" I would end the cycle of hatred"
" I will not let fate decide the future of paradis"
Well he did not end the cycle and he absolutely let the fate decide the future of paradis.

deg said:


again you people make it seem that its a black and white thinking or Eren has all or nothing thinking going on when it comes to his goal of freedom, there are cases in the manga where Eren cared for his friends too like when he said he wanted them to have a good life instead of inheriting his Attack Titan

what im saying is Eren is having some cognitive dissonance on his mind like normal people do

Aastik_V said:


i never said that eren doesnt care about his friends , he does but not more than his own selfish goal , didnt he kill hange , wasnt she a comrade .

Yetzest said:


If you aren’t gonna care for other’s argument than don’t bother joining a thread. I debunked any of your arguments and i gave you context for manga for my every argument yet you call this headcanon and misinterpretation (probably because it proves your “headcanon and misinterpretation” to be inconsistent with Attack On Titan.). If my argument was really that bad, it wouldn’t be hard proving it to be wrong like i did to yours. You just said Eren killing his friends would be a good ending. Like man his friends are literally HIS FREEDOM. Why the hell would he do that? He was willing to even give up on Rumbling for Mikasa (chapter 123). His freedom was literally Armin’s freedom, his scene (chapter 131 and pretty much every chapter Eren mentions Armin’s book.). I suggest you to reread AOT to comprehend it’s main theme and basic parts of Eren’s characterisation before calling my elaboration a headcanon and misinterpretation without elaborating.