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Meusnier said: So you basically said thst as long as the fact checker didn't check all of the articles, they can still be listed as questionable?Desolated said: Meusnier said: 149597871 said: Meusnier said: Desolated said: Meusnier said: Wait, what's wrong with that? I have tons of article resources debunking all of the anti-communism myths. Or do you want me to post books and studies instead of articles?Desolated said: Deathko said: Desolated said: Deathko said: Literally why would anyone oppose a government that serves the people's interests? I'm honestly at lost. China has a very effective system for addressing complaints citizens have with the government. Which is why you don't see protests often. There's a reason why the approval rating of the government is 92%. Anyone who oppose a meritocracy for the sake of it is just trying to incite chaos.149597871 said: Desolated said: 149597871 said: I mean, the majority of the news I posted here are also still from the western media. State controlled media isn't an issue at all. Besides, China is NOT totalitarian, that's a very ignorant claim. That would imply that people who live there don't have freedom at all, while lots of people living their life sharing cute douyin videos and cosplaying and shit there. Chinese people enjoys decent liberty.Desolated said: 149597871 said: How can you blindly trust the plutocrat-run media of a country infamous of its corporatism? How many news did they pick out of bunch of news in the website? 3. One can simply cherrypick the factually correct one for the imperialist outlet, whilst cherrypicking the false one for the socialist outlet. Also that news they obviously cherrypicked haven't been updated for more than a year.Desolated said: 149597871 said: Yeah, imagine blindly believing a site which listed the ideology of a country in order to decide Press Freedom, and even wrongly at it. "Authoritarian Socialism" doesn't exist, and Vietnam and China have the same state ideology, which is Marxism-Leninism, but different branch of thought, which is Mao Zedong-Deng Xiaoping-Xi Jinping Thought for China, and Ho Chi Minh Thought for Vietnam.The Global Times as a main source, ROFL World Press Freedom Rank: 177/180 https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/global-times-china/ Thay can't even put the correct ideology, which they use as one of the indicator of the accuracy. How can you blindly trust this site as fact checker?!! How can you blindly trust the state-run media of a country infamous for its censorship? What about the failed fact checks? Well, that is the point. Nobody in their right mind would "blindly trust" western media either. It has its own fair share of dishonesty and misinformation there as well. There is a fundamental difference, however. The media in the West is not a monolith. It is not controlled by a single entity like in China and other totalitarian countries. There is no such thing as a "collective of Imperialists" that controls the flow of information and has every single outlet serve their interests. Even if you are an extremist, biased media is not good for you because it keeps you in an information blackout, which is almost never a good thing. Of course, you already know all that; you are just acting in bad faith again. "China is not totalitarian, you can cosplay and shit there. ROFL This has to be the worst definition of totalitarianism I have seen so far, but at least it is somewhat entertaining to read this crap. Hey you can cosplay as political opponents and disappear in a police station, that doesn't sound too bad. Wow I never expected any nationalist to swallow so much state propaganda, and so blindly. But I guess you're not here to make sense but instead here to spam this place with your nonsensical propaganda like the three other regulars who are getting this place closed. Too bad, you did fit well with the israeli dude who actually believes his govt when he's told israeli missiles' shrapnel bounces harmlessly off children and only hurts terrorists. That's the same level of nonsense for anyone who hasn't been fed state propaganda from birth. Now you do you, we're not gonna discuss that shit for ages, but no country ever had 92% plebicit and no political opposition because they were really nice guys lol. You're free to believe in state-approved fairy tales. Sure, no political oppositions. No uighurs and tibetans while we're at it. And destroying the earth's climate is done for your people's well-being, totally not for your leaders' wealth and power. And it has nothing capitalist lol, it's just doing exactly the same than the US did for decades, with the exact same goal. But you do you. China, anticapitalist, my ass. It's capitalist sh!thole n°1 lol. Oh well, here we go, time to dissect what you said one by one. >state propaganda I don't. In fact, most of the sources that I posted here comes from western media outlet. Even the debunking everything weird the neoconservative lies about China. And for your information, I'm not only defending China. I'm defending EVERY Already Existing Socialist countries, in which for now also includes Vietnam, Laos, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, and Cuba. I will also defend any other countries which while isn't already a socialist country, aiming to reach socialism. This includes Venezuela, Bolivia, and more recently, Peru, etc. I also would support countries which the dominant political party have socialist tendencies such as Syria. >Israeli who believes his government Again, most of the sources I read are from western sources instead of these so called "Chinese state run media". Also for your information, Israel is my #2 most hated country in the world below AmeriKKKa. I'm oppose to such oppression against the indigenous people. Unlike that Israeli guy you mentioned before, I'm not even mainland Chinese. I'm Indonesian. >no country ever had 92% plebicit and no political opposition because they were really nice guys. Stop deluding yourself with what the west tell you about what democracy is, because liberal "democracy" is NOT democracy. Literally 1 out of 11 people in China are member of the CPC, that's why CPC can accommodate the people's voice. >Uyghurs General link of information about Xinjiang: https://archive.org/details/Xinjiang/page/n1/mode/2up CLASH Podcast: Trouble on the Silk Road (very interesting podcast episode about Xinjiang) https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-55-trouble-on-21205934 Why Xinjiang? Why now? - Very good post by Prof. Roland Boer https://stalinsmoustache.org/2018/11/17/15095/ Full transcript of interview with Xinjiang government chief on counterterrorism, vocational education and training in Xinjiang http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-10/16/c_137535821.htm Ajit Singh interviewed by Eugene Puryear (Listen at 40:00-59:00) https://www.spreaker.com/user/radiosputnik/should-google-be-regulated-western-xenop China’s Xinjiang Problem made in the USA https://journal-neo.org/2015/11/10/chinas-xinjiang-problem-made-in-usa/ China’s Uyghur problem: the unmentioned part https://journal-neo.org/2018/10/05/china-s-uyghur-problem-the-unmentioned-part/ What about the Uyghurs? (By Prof. Roland Boer - brilliant article) https://stalinsmoustache.org/2018/09/15/what-about-the-uyghurs/ Inside America’s meddling machine: the US funded group that interferes in elections around the globe (MUST WATCH) - see second half for Uyghur section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzIJ25ob1aA Xinjiang - the new Great Game (very good) https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09/24/xinjiang-the-new-great-game/ From Idlib to Xinjiang - Uyghur fighters trained for terror (excellent read) https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/09/26/from-idlib-to-xinjiang-uyghur-fighters-trained-for-terror/ Most of what we hear about China is Red Scare, Yellow Peril propaganda http://armedwithapen.com/anti-china-propaganda/ China launches anti-poverty drive in restive Xinjiang https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/china-launches-anti-poverty-drive-restive-xinjiang-180218150517058.html Fighters from Xinjiang join ISIS https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/isil-video-threatens-china-rivers-bloodshed-170301103927503.html If China Is Anti-Islam, Why Are These Chinese Muslims Enjoying a Faith Revival? http://time.com/3099950/china-muslim-hui-xinjiang-uighur-islam/ “China is not eradicating Islam” - a thread by Ian Goodrum https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1004884261051092993.html China bans anti-Islam terms from social media http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1067405.shtml No, the UN did not report China has massive internment camps for Uighur Muslims https://grayzoneproject.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/ Syria says up to 5,000 Chinese Uighurs fighting in militant groups https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-china/syria-says-up-to-5000-chinese-uighurs-fighting-in-militant-groups-idUSKBN1840UP Turkey’s misguided Syrian policy fanning Uyghur insurgency against China http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/turkeys-misguided-syrian-policy-fanning-uyghur-insurgency-against-china/ Chinese Uyghur colonies in Syria a challenge for Beijing http://www.atimes.com/chinese-uyghur-colonies-syria-challenge-beijing/ Xinjiang, what a wonderful place (article by the Chinese ambassador to Indonesia) http://www.thejakartapost.com/academia/2018/09/25/xinjiang-what-a-wonderful-place.html Soft landing in Xinjiang http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1123066 >Tibet It's funny that the western left mention Tibet's Theocratic Monarchy as being oppressed while simultaneously hates Saudi's Theocratic Monarchy, as well as starting a twitter trend that advocates abolishing the British Monarchy. China freed Tibet from its monarch. Dalai Lama poem about Mao https://stalinsmoustache.org/2018/09/19/like-the-sun-shining-over-the-world-the-dalai-lamas-poem-praising-mao-zedong/ Mao’s liberation of Tibet https://stalinsmoustache.org/2018/09/19/maos-liberation-of-tibet/ Tibet is pulling its weight as part of China https://stalinsmoustache.org/2018/03/13/tibet-pulling-its-weight-as-part-of-china/ Democratic imperialism: Tibet, China and the N.E.D. https://www.globalresearch.ca/democratic-imperialism-tibet-china-and-the-national-endowment-for-democracy/6530 Tibet, and the CIA’s anti-China crusade https://www.workers.org/ww_books/Workers_World_Tibet.pdf Lhasa: The Open City http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=7B613EA5712CB74FAC279D29C142A2A4 Friendly Feudalism - the Tibet myth http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html Tibet (with map) by Arthur Clegg, Labour Monthly, 1950 http://www.unz.org/Pub/LabourMonthly-1950feb-00086 China, Tibet, and U.S.-sponsored counter revolution https://www.liberationnews.org/08-04-01-china-tibet-ussponsored-coun-html/ Tibet now amongst fastest-growing Chinese regions http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-04/26/content_24919867.htm CIA Tibetan program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program Dalai Lama group says it got money from the CIA http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/02/world/world-news-briefs-dalai-lama-group-says-it-got-money-from-cia.html Secret Files: Untold story of CIA covert operations in Tibet https://sputniknews.com/politics/201612131048516027-china-cia-tibet/ Some thoughts on Tibet http://www.dontow.com/2008/04/some-thoughts-on-tibet/ Economic patterns of the Tibet Autonomous Region (from 1995, somewhat dated but interesting) https://case.edu/affil/tibet/moreTibetInfo/documents/TibetEconomy2.pdf Tibet’s GDP increased by 281 times in 50 years http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2015-09/06/content_21797818.htm The Imperialist Dalai Lama: ‘Too many refugees entering Europe’ https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/DalaiLamaRefugee-20160601-0014.html When serfs stood up in Tibet - Anna Louise Strong , 1959 http://www.marxistsfr.org/reference/archive/strong-anna-louise/1959/tibet/index.htm Tibet’s race riots of 2008 https://gwydionwilliams.com/42-china/tibet/the-tibetan-race-riots-of-2008/ Tibet and International Law (very good blog post) https://gwydionwilliams.com/42-china/tibet/tibet-and-international-law/ The Dalai Lama wants to return home (contemporary article) https://thewire.in/201726/dalai-lama-india-china-tibet/ Tibet: religious freedom comes with Chinese characteristics http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2021650/tibet-religious-freedom-comes-chinese-characteristics Tibetans invite US lawmakers to region https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/151/27/192/1512628335251.html >destroying the earth's climate This is simply not what's happening. China CARES a lot about climate change. China’s war on pollution will change the world https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-china-pollution/ What we can learn from China’s fight against environmental ruin https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/07/what-we-can-learn-from-china-s-fight-against-environmental-ruin China’s continuing renewable energy revolution: global implications https://apjjf.org/2014/12/12/Hao-Tan/4098/article.html Ian Goodrum: China and the Paris climate agreement (very well sourced thread. Recommended reading) https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1034219465150353408.html China will be the world's biggest champion of fighting climate change https://qz.com/833859/with-trump-as-president-china-will-be-the-worlds-biggest-champion-of-fighting-climate-change/ China is the acid test for a technology that could save the world from catastrophic climate change https://qz.com/1157788/china-is-the-acid-test-for-a-technology-that-could-save-the-world-from-catastrophic-climate-change/ China is making electric buses cheap, just like it did for solar panels https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/4/17/17239368/china-investment-solar-electric-buses-cost What does China’s ecological civilization mean for humanity’s future? https://mronline.org/2018/02/12/what-does-chinas-ecological-civilization-mean-for-humanitys-future/ Chinese government to plant 6.6 million hectares of forest https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Chinese-Government-to-Plant-6.6-Hectares-of-Forest--20180107-0006.html China to plant forest the size of Ireland in bid to become world leader in conservation http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/05/china-plant-forest-size-ireland-bid-become-world-leader-conservation/ China’s sponge cities are turning streets green to combat flooding https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/28/chinas-sponge-cities-are-turning-streets-green-to-combat-flooding?CMP=share_btn_fb High speed rail presents major opportunities for decarbonisation of transport https://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2017/december/high-speed-rail-presents-major-opportunities-for-decarbonisation-of-transport.html Hainan to evaluate officials on green vision http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201712/29/WS5a4593e0a31008cf16da41db.html Over 18,000 penalized for failing to rein in pollution http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201712/29/WS5a459336a31008cf16da41d5.html How China beats the U.S. at clean air progress https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-12-20/how-china-beats-the-u-s-at-clean-air-progress European smog could be 27 times more toxic than air pollution in China http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/european-smog-27-times-more-toxic-chinese-air-pollution-china-quality-a7572051.html China is winning environmental clean up race, minister says http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2016/02/19/china-is-winning-environmental-clean-up-race-minister-says/ ‘Hawaii of China’ dumps GDP targets to save its tropical beaches http://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2125732/hawaii-china-dumps-gdp-targets-save-its-tropical-beaches China shows global leadership in environmental governance https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/137/63/161/1512532083441.html China’s forest cover to reach 23% by 2020: UN https://www.chinadailyasia.com/nation/2016-05/27/content_15440055.html UNEP: China sets example in sustainable development https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/225/88/23/1512899319276.html China well on track with air quality goals https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/28/228/37/1512959669806.html International group praises green revival https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/227/83/243/1513054553361.html Good news - China’s dropping coal consumption putting brakes on global carbon https://www.nrdc.org/experts/barbara-finamore/good-news-chinas-dropping-coal-consumption-putting-brakes-global-carbon Greenpeace says China city air pollution drops by 10% http://www.cbsnews.com/news/greenpeace-says-china-city-air-pollution-drops-by-10-percent/ Vice-premier: China strives to enhance environmental protection https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/148/134/227/1513005689100.html Greenhouse pollution in China, India drops thanks to low-tech fixes http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060719-energy.html China cementing global dominance of renewable energy and technology https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/06/china-cementing-global-dominance-of-renewable-energy-and-technology China could have a meltdown-proof nuclear reactor next year https://www.technologyreview.com/s/600757/china-could-have-a-meltdown-proof-nuclear-reactor-next-year/ Following damage caused by economic rise, China tackles ambitious conservation experiment https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2017/0820/Following-damage-caused-by-economic-rise-China-tackles-ambitious-conservation-experiment “My job is to clean up the environment. China really wants to do that!” https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/sep/10/my-job-is-to-clean-up-the-environment-china-really-wants-to-do-that China shuts down tens of thousands of factories in pollution crackdown http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/10/23/559009961/china-shuts-down-tens-of-thousands-of-factories-in-unprecedented-pollution-crack China sees 4% drop in carbon intensity in first 3 quarters of 2017 http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/1130/c90000-9299020.html Beijing air pollution notably reduced in winter: environment minister - China Daily http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-12/03/content_35178784.htm China tops the world in renewable energy production - report http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/10/c_136432582.htm China plans to quintuple sea water desalination capacity https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/241/204/43/1513150249999.html China’s envoy: climate goals boost green finance https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/225/9/136/1513147735609.html China aims to drastically cut greenhouse gas emissions through trading scheme https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/19/china-aims-to-drastically-cut-greenhouse-gas-emissions-through-trading-scheme Donald Trump success helps China emerge as global climate leader https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/donald-trump-success-helps-china-emerge-as-global-climate-leader Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025, says study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/08/chinese-greenhouse-gas-emissions-may-peak-by-2025-says-study China is building solar roadways https://electrek.co/2017/12/21/china-solar-roadways-transparent-concrete-solar-cells-charge-cars/amp/ >it has nothing capitalist I never said that? The Special Economic Zones is capitalist, which lets foreign investor to invest there so that China can build their infrastructure on other places (because back then during the 70s China's just very poor). But approximately by 2050, China will be no longer in need of it and therefore able to reach full socialism. Oh god please if you're gonna reply this with satire remarks such as "Trust me guys! It will certainly happen!", that just rhymes the same with the right-wing crowd who say "Socialism will work this time! Trust me guys!". And I, as a leftist, won't buy such right-wing rhetoric. >it's just doing exactly the same than the US did for decades, with the exact same goal. This is a very insulting comparison. The US is a country which is build with the basis of racism and settler colonialism, has led to the genocide of about 2 millions of my countrymen, installed their corporations here to leech off our golds since 1967 until just recently that our current government can buy 51% of the corporations shares, as well as the oil in Timor Leste (which after their independence, being leeched off by Australia in exchange), has instigated a coup worldwide against a democratically elected leader, especially in Latin America, in order to install a fascist junta which would facilitate their leeching of natural resources in said countries, as well as killing the "suspected communists" and force sterilizing indigenous people. Or even publicly made a huge lie about some country in order to gain their natural resources such has the WMD claim on Iraq to justify their invasions there. CIA backed coup in my country which by extension, Suharto's presidency is literally just as bad as the Holocaust for me, as an Indonesian. China has NEVER commit such atrocities. China however, do actually extracts surplus values from these fat western countries. And this is to be expected because they have been leeched for more than a century. To be fair as an Indonesian, I would demand that the Dutch return all the surplus value which have been taken by them from us for their 300 years of colonization, as well as all those surplus value stolen by Freeport since 1967 from our golds. These are not an act of imperialism. It's simply taking back what's been taken before. China has built a lot of infrastructures in Africa, in contrast with what the corporations such as Nestle or Hershey's that only want to use child slavery of the indigenous people there in order to gain much higher profit. I thought that this post was your magnum opus, but I was apparently wrong to think so. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1940830&show=0#msg63878401 I hope at least that you realise how writing such an endless list make you look like. ¿You do not understand what is wrong with such a post? No one has time to read dozens of articles representing hundreds of pages and try addressing them one by one. This is basically what "t***" is all about. Especially in this board. What you are supposed to do normally is to engage in a conversation where the other one has a chance to reply. It is a little too easy to spam a myriad of articles and think that you did some good work. Otherwise, you are not a human being but a propaganda machine. And no one will ever fall for such a propaganda these days. If you wanted examples of bad sources, China Daily is a prime example of that: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/china-daily/ It actually gets far worse than that. He is using Xinhua as a source, which is not merely a state-run Chinese media. It is the official press agency of the Chinese Communist Party (totally free and unbiased!!). It is funny because some of his sources are outdated and not working, which proves that he just copy-pasted it from somewhere without doing any research himself. @Deathko is probably stunned. I hope he will reply after a few months when he finishes reading and fact-checking everything. Thank you for the information, I did not know about that. Desolated said: Meusnier said: Desolated said: Meusnier said: Wait, what's wrong with that? I have tons of article resources debunking all of the anti-communism myths. Or do you want me to post books and studies instead of articles?Desolated said: Deathko said: Desolated said: Deathko said: Literally why would anyone oppose a government that serves the people's interests? I'm honestly at lost. China has a very effective system for addressing complaints citizens have with the government. Which is why you don't see protests often. There's a reason why the approval rating of the government is 92%. Anyone who oppose a meritocracy for the sake of it is just trying to incite chaos.149597871 said: Desolated said: 149597871 said: I mean, the majority of the news I posted here are also still from the western media. State controlled media isn't an issue at all. Besides, China is NOT totalitarian, that's a very ignorant claim. That would imply that people who live there don't have freedom at all, while lots of people living their life sharing cute douyin videos and cosplaying and shit there. Chinese people enjoys decent liberty.Desolated said: 149597871 said: How can you blindly trust the plutocrat-run media of a country infamous of its corporatism? How many news did they pick out of bunch of news in the website? 3. One can simply cherrypick the factually correct one for the imperialist outlet, whilst cherrypicking the false one for the socialist outlet. Also that news they obviously cherrypicked haven't been updated for more than a year.Desolated said: 149597871 said: Yeah, imagine blindly believing a site which listed the ideology of a country in order to decide Press Freedom, and even wrongly at it. "Authoritarian Socialism" doesn't exist, and Vietnam and China have the same state ideology, which is Marxism-Leninism, but different branch of thought, which is Mao Zedong-Deng Xiaoping-Xi Jinping Thought for China, and Ho Chi Minh Thought for Vietnam.The Global Times as a main source, ROFL World Press Freedom Rank: 177/180 https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/global-times-china/ Thay can't even put the correct ideology, which they use as one of the indicator of the accuracy. How can you blindly trust this site as fact checker?!! How can you blindly trust the state-run media of a country infamous for its censorship? What about the failed fact checks? Well, that is the point. Nobody in their right mind would "blindly trust" western media either. It has its own fair share of dishonesty and misinformation there as well. There is a fundamental difference, however. The media in the West is not a monolith. It is not controlled by a single entity like in China and other totalitarian countries. There is no such thing as a "collective of Imperialists" that controls the flow of information and has every single outlet serve their interests. Even if you are an extremist, biased media is not good for you because it keeps you in an information blackout, which is almost never a good thing. Of course, you already know all that; you are just acting in bad faith again. "China is not totalitarian, you can cosplay and shit there. ROFL This has to be the worst definition of totalitarianism I have seen so far, but at least it is somewhat entertaining to read this crap. Hey you can cosplay as political opponents and disappear in a police station, that doesn't sound too bad. Wow I never expected any nationalist to swallow so much state propaganda, and so blindly. But I guess you're not here to make sense but instead here to spam this place with your nonsensical propaganda like the three other regulars who are getting this place closed. Too bad, you did fit well with the israeli dude who actually believes his govt when he's told israeli missiles' shrapnel bounces harmlessly off children and only hurts terrorists. That's the same level of nonsense for anyone who hasn't been fed state propaganda from birth. Now you do you, we're not gonna discuss that shit for ages, but no country ever had 92% plebicit and no political opposition because they were really nice guys lol. You're free to believe in state-approved fairy tales. Sure, no political oppositions. No uighurs and tibetans while we're at it. And destroying the earth's climate is done for your people's well-being, totally not for your leaders' wealth and power. And it has nothing capitalist lol, it's just doing exactly the same than the US did for decades, with the exact same goal. But you do you. China, anticapitalist, my ass. It's capitalist sh!thole n°1 lol. Oh well, here we go, time to dissect what you said one by one. >state propaganda I don't. In fact, most of the sources that I posted here comes from western media outlet. Even the debunking everything weird the neoconservative lies about China. And for your information, I'm not only defending China. I'm defending EVERY Already Existing Socialist countries, in which for now also includes Vietnam, Laos, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, and Cuba. I will also defend any other countries which while isn't already a socialist country, aiming to reach socialism. This includes Venezuela, Bolivia, and more recently, Peru, etc. I also would support countries which the dominant political party have socialist tendencies such as Syria. >Israeli who believes his government Again, most of the sources I read are from western sources instead of these so called "Chinese state run media". Also for your information, Israel is my #2 most hated country in the world below AmeriKKKa. I'm oppose to such oppression against the indigenous people. Unlike that Israeli guy you mentioned before, I'm not even mainland Chinese. I'm Indonesian. >no country ever had 92% plebicit and no political opposition because they were really nice guys. Stop deluding yourself with what the west tell you about what democracy is, because liberal "democracy" is NOT democracy. Literally 1 out of 11 people in China are member of the CPC, that's why CPC can accommodate the people's voice. >Uyghurs General link of information about Xinjiang: https://archive.org/details/Xinjiang/page/n1/mode/2up CLASH Podcast: Trouble on the Silk Road (very interesting podcast episode about Xinjiang) https://www.patreon.com/posts/ep-55-trouble-on-21205934 Why Xinjiang? Why now? - Very good post by Prof. Roland Boer https://stalinsmoustache.org/2018/11/17/15095/ Full transcript of interview with Xinjiang government chief on counterterrorism, vocational education and training in Xinjiang http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-10/16/c_137535821.htm Ajit Singh interviewed by Eugene Puryear (Listen at 40:00-59:00) https://www.spreaker.com/user/radiosputnik/should-google-be-regulated-western-xenop China’s Xinjiang Problem made in the USA https://journal-neo.org/2015/11/10/chinas-xinjiang-problem-made-in-usa/ China’s Uyghur problem: the unmentioned part https://journal-neo.org/2018/10/05/china-s-uyghur-problem-the-unmentioned-part/ What about the Uyghurs? (By Prof. Roland Boer - brilliant article) https://stalinsmoustache.org/2018/09/15/what-about-the-uyghurs/ Inside America’s meddling machine: the US funded group that interferes in elections around the globe (MUST WATCH) - see second half for Uyghur section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzIJ25ob1aA Xinjiang - the new Great Game (very good) https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09/24/xinjiang-the-new-great-game/ From Idlib to Xinjiang - Uyghur fighters trained for terror (excellent read) https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/09/26/from-idlib-to-xinjiang-uyghur-fighters-trained-for-terror/ Most of what we hear about China is Red Scare, Yellow Peril propaganda http://armedwithapen.com/anti-china-propaganda/ China launches anti-poverty drive in restive Xinjiang https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/china-launches-anti-poverty-drive-restive-xinjiang-180218150517058.html Fighters from Xinjiang join ISIS https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/isil-video-threatens-china-rivers-bloodshed-170301103927503.html If China Is Anti-Islam, Why Are These Chinese Muslims Enjoying a Faith Revival? http://time.com/3099950/china-muslim-hui-xinjiang-uighur-islam/ “China is not eradicating Islam” - a thread by Ian Goodrum https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1004884261051092993.html China bans anti-Islam terms from social media http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1067405.shtml No, the UN did not report China has massive internment camps for Uighur Muslims https://grayzoneproject.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/ Syria says up to 5,000 Chinese Uighurs fighting in militant groups https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-china/syria-says-up-to-5000-chinese-uighurs-fighting-in-militant-groups-idUSKBN1840UP Turkey’s misguided Syrian policy fanning Uyghur insurgency against China http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/turkeys-misguided-syrian-policy-fanning-uyghur-insurgency-against-china/ Chinese Uyghur colonies in Syria a challenge for Beijing http://www.atimes.com/chinese-uyghur-colonies-syria-challenge-beijing/ Xinjiang, what a wonderful place (article by the Chinese ambassador to Indonesia) http://www.thejakartapost.com/academia/2018/09/25/xinjiang-what-a-wonderful-place.html Soft landing in Xinjiang http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1123066 >Tibet It's funny that the western left mention Tibet's Theocratic Monarchy as being oppressed while simultaneously hates Saudi's Theocratic Monarchy, as well as starting a twitter trend that advocates abolishing the British Monarchy. China freed Tibet from its monarch. Dalai Lama poem about Mao https://stalinsmoustache.org/2018/09/19/like-the-sun-shining-over-the-world-the-dalai-lamas-poem-praising-mao-zedong/ Mao’s liberation of Tibet https://stalinsmoustache.org/2018/09/19/maos-liberation-of-tibet/ Tibet is pulling its weight as part of China https://stalinsmoustache.org/2018/03/13/tibet-pulling-its-weight-as-part-of-china/ Democratic imperialism: Tibet, China and the N.E.D. https://www.globalresearch.ca/democratic-imperialism-tibet-china-and-the-national-endowment-for-democracy/6530 Tibet, and the CIA’s anti-China crusade https://www.workers.org/ww_books/Workers_World_Tibet.pdf Lhasa: The Open City http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=7B613EA5712CB74FAC279D29C142A2A4 Friendly Feudalism - the Tibet myth http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html Tibet (with map) by Arthur Clegg, Labour Monthly, 1950 http://www.unz.org/Pub/LabourMonthly-1950feb-00086 China, Tibet, and U.S.-sponsored counter revolution https://www.liberationnews.org/08-04-01-china-tibet-ussponsored-coun-html/ Tibet now amongst fastest-growing Chinese regions http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-04/26/content_24919867.htm CIA Tibetan program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program Dalai Lama group says it got money from the CIA http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/02/world/world-news-briefs-dalai-lama-group-says-it-got-money-from-cia.html Secret Files: Untold story of CIA covert operations in Tibet https://sputniknews.com/politics/201612131048516027-china-cia-tibet/ Some thoughts on Tibet http://www.dontow.com/2008/04/some-thoughts-on-tibet/ Economic patterns of the Tibet Autonomous Region (from 1995, somewhat dated but interesting) https://case.edu/affil/tibet/moreTibetInfo/documents/TibetEconomy2.pdf Tibet’s GDP increased by 281 times in 50 years http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2015-09/06/content_21797818.htm The Imperialist Dalai Lama: ‘Too many refugees entering Europe’ https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/DalaiLamaRefugee-20160601-0014.html When serfs stood up in Tibet - Anna Louise Strong , 1959 http://www.marxistsfr.org/reference/archive/strong-anna-louise/1959/tibet/index.htm Tibet’s race riots of 2008 https://gwydionwilliams.com/42-china/tibet/the-tibetan-race-riots-of-2008/ Tibet and International Law (very good blog post) https://gwydionwilliams.com/42-china/tibet/tibet-and-international-law/ The Dalai Lama wants to return home (contemporary article) https://thewire.in/201726/dalai-lama-india-china-tibet/ Tibet: religious freedom comes with Chinese characteristics http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2021650/tibet-religious-freedom-comes-chinese-characteristics Tibetans invite US lawmakers to region https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/151/27/192/1512628335251.html >destroying the earth's climate This is simply not what's happening. China CARES a lot about climate change. China’s war on pollution will change the world https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-china-pollution/ What we can learn from China’s fight against environmental ruin https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/07/what-we-can-learn-from-china-s-fight-against-environmental-ruin China’s continuing renewable energy revolution: global implications https://apjjf.org/2014/12/12/Hao-Tan/4098/article.html Ian Goodrum: China and the Paris climate agreement (very well sourced thread. Recommended reading) https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1034219465150353408.html China will be the world's biggest champion of fighting climate change https://qz.com/833859/with-trump-as-president-china-will-be-the-worlds-biggest-champion-of-fighting-climate-change/ China is the acid test for a technology that could save the world from catastrophic climate change https://qz.com/1157788/china-is-the-acid-test-for-a-technology-that-could-save-the-world-from-catastrophic-climate-change/ China is making electric buses cheap, just like it did for solar panels https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/4/17/17239368/china-investment-solar-electric-buses-cost What does China’s ecological civilization mean for humanity’s future? https://mronline.org/2018/02/12/what-does-chinas-ecological-civilization-mean-for-humanitys-future/ Chinese government to plant 6.6 million hectares of forest https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Chinese-Government-to-Plant-6.6-Hectares-of-Forest--20180107-0006.html China to plant forest the size of Ireland in bid to become world leader in conservation http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/05/china-plant-forest-size-ireland-bid-become-world-leader-conservation/ China’s sponge cities are turning streets green to combat flooding https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/28/chinas-sponge-cities-are-turning-streets-green-to-combat-flooding?CMP=share_btn_fb High speed rail presents major opportunities for decarbonisation of transport https://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2017/december/high-speed-rail-presents-major-opportunities-for-decarbonisation-of-transport.html Hainan to evaluate officials on green vision http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201712/29/WS5a4593e0a31008cf16da41db.html Over 18,000 penalized for failing to rein in pollution http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201712/29/WS5a459336a31008cf16da41d5.html How China beats the U.S. at clean air progress https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-12-20/how-china-beats-the-u-s-at-clean-air-progress European smog could be 27 times more toxic than air pollution in China http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/european-smog-27-times-more-toxic-chinese-air-pollution-china-quality-a7572051.html China is winning environmental clean up race, minister says http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2016/02/19/china-is-winning-environmental-clean-up-race-minister-says/ ‘Hawaii of China’ dumps GDP targets to save its tropical beaches http://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2125732/hawaii-china-dumps-gdp-targets-save-its-tropical-beaches China shows global leadership in environmental governance https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/137/63/161/1512532083441.html China’s forest cover to reach 23% by 2020: UN https://www.chinadailyasia.com/nation/2016-05/27/content_15440055.html UNEP: China sets example in sustainable development https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/225/88/23/1512899319276.html China well on track with air quality goals https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/28/228/37/1512959669806.html International group praises green revival https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/227/83/243/1513054553361.html Good news - China’s dropping coal consumption putting brakes on global carbon https://www.nrdc.org/experts/barbara-finamore/good-news-chinas-dropping-coal-consumption-putting-brakes-global-carbon Greenpeace says China city air pollution drops by 10% http://www.cbsnews.com/news/greenpeace-says-china-city-air-pollution-drops-by-10-percent/ Vice-premier: China strives to enhance environmental protection https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/148/134/227/1513005689100.html Greenhouse pollution in China, India drops thanks to low-tech fixes http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060719-energy.html China cementing global dominance of renewable energy and technology https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/06/china-cementing-global-dominance-of-renewable-energy-and-technology China could have a meltdown-proof nuclear reactor next year https://www.technologyreview.com/s/600757/china-could-have-a-meltdown-proof-nuclear-reactor-next-year/ Following damage caused by economic rise, China tackles ambitious conservation experiment https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2017/0820/Following-damage-caused-by-economic-rise-China-tackles-ambitious-conservation-experiment “My job is to clean up the environment. China really wants to do that!” https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/sep/10/my-job-is-to-clean-up-the-environment-china-really-wants-to-do-that China shuts down tens of thousands of factories in pollution crackdown http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/10/23/559009961/china-shuts-down-tens-of-thousands-of-factories-in-unprecedented-pollution-crack China sees 4% drop in carbon intensity in first 3 quarters of 2017 http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/1130/c90000-9299020.html Beijing air pollution notably reduced in winter: environment minister - China Daily http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-12/03/content_35178784.htm China tops the world in renewable energy production - report http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/10/c_136432582.htm China plans to quintuple sea water desalination capacity https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/241/204/43/1513150249999.html China’s envoy: climate goals boost green finance https://www.chinadailyasia.com/articles/225/9/136/1513147735609.html China aims to drastically cut greenhouse gas emissions through trading scheme https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/19/china-aims-to-drastically-cut-greenhouse-gas-emissions-through-trading-scheme Donald Trump success helps China emerge as global climate leader https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/donald-trump-success-helps-china-emerge-as-global-climate-leader Chinese greenhouse gas emissions may peak by 2025, says study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/08/chinese-greenhouse-gas-emissions-may-peak-by-2025-says-study China is building solar roadways https://electrek.co/2017/12/21/china-solar-roadways-transparent-concrete-solar-cells-charge-cars/amp/ >it has nothing capitalist I never said that? The Special Economic Zones is capitalist, which lets foreign investor to invest there so that China can build their infrastructure on other places (because back then during the 70s China's just very poor). But approximately by 2050, China will be no longer in need of it and therefore able to reach full socialism. Oh god please if you're gonna reply this with satire remarks such as "Trust me guys! It will certainly happen!", that just rhymes the same with the right-wing crowd who say "Socialism will work this time! Trust me guys!". And I, as a leftist, won't buy such right-wing rhetoric. >it's just doing exactly the same than the US did for decades, with the exact same goal. This is a very insulting comparison. The US is a country which is build with the basis of racism and settler colonialism, has led to the genocide of about 2 millions of my countrymen, installed their corporations here to leech off our golds since 1967 until just recently that our current government can buy 51% of the corporations shares, as well as the oil in Timor Leste (which after their independence, being leeched off by Australia in exchange), has instigated a coup worldwide against a democratically elected leader, especially in Latin America, in order to install a fascist junta which would facilitate their leeching of natural resources in said countries, as well as killing the "suspected communists" and force sterilizing indigenous people. Or even publicly made a huge lie about some country in order to gain their natural resources such has the WMD claim on Iraq to justify their invasions there. CIA backed coup in my country which by extension, Suharto's presidency is literally just as bad as the Holocaust for me, as an Indonesian. China has NEVER commit such atrocities. China however, do actually extracts surplus values from these fat western countries. And this is to be expected because they have been leeched for more than a century. To be fair as an Indonesian, I would demand that the Dutch return all the surplus value which have been taken by them from us for their 300 years of colonization, as well as all those surplus value stolen by Freeport since 1967 from our golds. These are not an act of imperialism. It's simply taking back what's been taken before. China has built a lot of infrastructures in Africa, in contrast with what the corporations such as Nestle or Hershey's that only want to use child slavery of the indigenous people there in order to gain much higher profit. I thought that this post was your magnum opus, but I was apparently wrong to think so. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1940830&show=0#msg63878401 I hope at least that you realise how writing such an endless list make you look like. ¿You do not understand what is wrong with such a post? No one has time to read dozens of articles representing hundreds of pages and try addressing them one by one. This is basically what "t***" is all about. Especially in this board. What you are supposed to do normally is to engage in a conversation where the other one has a chance to reply. It is a little too easy to spam a myriad of articles and think that you did some good work. Otherwise, you are not a human being but a propaganda machine. And no one will ever fall for such a propaganda these days. If you wanted examples of bad sources, China Daily is a prime example of that: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/china-daily/ But then how do you suppose to change anyone's mind, if not by providing them with a handful of resources that proves your point to be true? If the resources are few, one can simply call it "fake news" while spamming actual fake news which says otherwise. The more resources that proves my point, the more believable my claims would be. Also about those media bias fact check on China Daily is really laughable: mediabiasfactcheck.com said: A factual search reveals that China Daily has not failed a fact check by an IFCN fact-checker. This does not mean that China Daily is a factual source, as the Government controls what is printed, which always supports the Communist Party of China. Overall, we rate the China Daily Questionable based on the endorsement of the Chinese Communist Government and editorial positions that promote state propaganda. "theY paSsEd thE faCt cHecK buT tHeY're prO-cHinA SO theY'rE qUestioNablE, noT fAcTUaL, aNd TherEfoRE bAD pOo PoO" Just because all the news they published are pro-china, doesn't mean that the news isn't accurate. Biased, you may say, but still factual. The fact-checker is all that matters. Also just look at how they worded the paragraph. "Chinese Communist Government", speaks volumes that this website is very much right-wing. First, the word Communist and Government is an oxymoron. Second, think of why they deem putting the word communist in the sentence necessary in the first place, if it isn't a form of Red Scare. Then there's also these "state propaganda", in which lowkey implies that state controlled media bad, private sector controlled media good. Which is very much false, because a privately owned news outlet can also have as much of a propaganda as the state owned counterpart. You cannot discuss about everything in a single conversation, this is what the idea of "thread" is all about. Using this "fence" writing is not a convincing argument. I think that you should stop writing this way that often. You have an obsession with "right-wing" to the point that you assume that provided that someone had a "right-wing bias", they would be less objective than your average member of the CCP. A quite peculiar viewpoint indeed. There is a reason to deem untrustworthy some information that cannot possibly be checked. Those private news outlets are many (and therefore, can offer many viewpoints and multiple sources of value) and penally responsible for every line they publish. State propaganda, on the other hand, can say whatever they want and never face legal consequences. Because of? Inability to read Han Zi? Or simply those people don't bother to check shit? They already checked it, as how the paragraph in the media bias fact check website is saying, and has been PROVEN FACTUAL That's all that matters. Also since when Fox News or CNN received any of these "legal consequences" you mention? Since when the CPC aren't responsible of what they wrote? Their reputation is as stake as much as the western media outlet which wrote their news. Your implications of privately owned news media outlet being better than state run news media outlet is such bullshit. Cute attempt I guess, but this is not about not being able to read Chinese. They can only partially check things as long as independent journalists cannot work in piece in China. But no, you will tell me that there is a free press there. I cannot say about the U.S.A. for sure, but in the French law, all newspapers are penally responsible for what they write and can get condemned. Because there is no higher authority to check what they say. There is no counter power. But the thing is that these checkers never check every articles published by the media. Which means by using this very logic, all media outlet are questionable. |
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