Alright so after watching this movie, my brain scattered all over my room. I can't understand LITERALLY ANYTHING about this movie. I want to love this series as much as I did in the Season 1, but after this.. I don't know anymore. And it was highly rated.......
Can someone kind enough to summarize and explain the whole point of this movie? I want to have a general explanation of this as soon as possible before the next movie comes up. Thanks in advance :)
it’s my fav anime ever (the movie specifically) and i didn’t understand it after my first watch either. it does have a clear message; pay extra attention to character motivations, especially homura. she acts in order to be with madoka. her taking hold of madoka was the culmination of this; homura only acts out of her own love, that’s why she’s a demon (madoka serves and helps all, that’s why she’s a god.)
in short just rewatch it and pay more attention to the characters
Incubators wanted a better method of getting energy to stop entropy or whatever so they tried to create a witch, they used Homura as a test subject with the added bonus of trying to figure out who Madoka is.
A witch is physically impossible due to Madoka’s wish but a labyrinth was still able to be created inside Homura’s soul gem, this labyrinth is where the bulk of the movie took place.
Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa went into the labyrinth to save Homura but the labyrinth wiped Madoka’s memory, in favour of Homura’s idealised version of Madoka.
As Homura realises what’s happening the labyrinth starts to collapse. This lets Madoka gain back her Memory where she sets out to save Homura.
As Madoka goes to save Homura the Incubators use this as an opportunity to learn and perhaps capture Madoka. Homura doesn’t want this so she tries to make her labyrinth collapse, effectively committing suicide. Madoka manages to save her in time though.
After Homura is brought out of the labyrinth by Madoka, Homura steals a portion of Madoka’s powers allowing her to either rewrite part of reality or gain enough power to expand her labyrinth to encapsulate the universe.
Why did Homura do this?
No one really knows but my understanding is that Homura did this to give Madoka the life she was living before, a life unaware unaware of the magical girl system. I believe this as it’s already been professed at the ending of the original series that Homura views Madoka becoming a part of the law of cycles as a fate worst than death. Wanting what’s best for Madoka is backed by how she tried to kill herself in Rebellion to stop the Incubators finding Madoka.
Incubators trapped Homura in illusion world in order to observe Madoka through her.
She eventually breaks free and then drains God Madoka off her power in order to protect her from this fate (as she tried through whole TV series), becoming her opposite. "Devil to her God" as she describes this. She then enslaves Incubators to do her bidding, which puts whole universe in peril, because they were necessary evil and can no longer hoard power from Magical Girls.
Hibiki Tachibana from Symphogear is THE worst protagonist in all anime. No hyperbole or exaggeration.
However you may need to be a little more specific😅. First half hour is a witch allusion set up by the incubators which allows for the other magical girls and civilians to enter. Second act is homura working that out, falling into despair (ala the original series) and being stoped by he other girls.
Final part is madoka coming to request her but homura uses that as an opportunity to take madoka, possibly into her lybrinth which then encapsulated the universe(theory's vary a little on that last point), all so she could save madoka.
Your free to dislike it, your not alone by any measure, however unbiastly speaking the visuals, OsT and directing are all some of the very best out there, so consider how much the last 20 minutes are really worth before u start hating it. Again my review is way more indept but feel free to ask me any questions you got👍.
There's also alot of videos on YouTube, tho any take that suggests homura is a phycopath or never cared about the other girls, is in my opinion looking at it all wrong. Enjoy😅.
I was confused by the ending too, but this essay cleared it up:
Forget what Homura says about The Power of Love. The devil lies, after all. Let's take a look at exactly what happens in the key scene when Madoka comes down for Homura.
-Madoka comes down for Homura. She is seen by everyone.
-Homura grabs Madoka's hands
-Homura's Soul Gem turns black.
-A "color worse than curses" fills Homura's Soul Gem
-Cracks appear in reality, and Madoka is split from her goddess self.
-The colours burst from Homura's Soul Gem. The cracks spread throughout the universe, followed by the colours which engulf the entire universe.
Let's analyze this point by point.
The interesting thing here is that Homura, Mami, and Kyoko can see Ultimate Madoka. Remember that in Episode 12 Kyoko and Mami didn't see what happened to Sayaka when she vanished. Here they can. Also, Kyubey's goal in the movie is to observe the Law of Cycles - and when Madoka enters Homura's barrier, she's not an omnipresent concept. Instead, she takes the form of a human with her powers and memories suppressed. With the Isolation Field destroyed, Sayaka and Nagisa unseal Madoka's memories and powers...but she still hasn't returned to being an omnipresent concept. She's now a God in Human Form, the form Kyubey was trying to see all along...because if they observe it, they can interfere with it. It's suggested that Madoka can't return to being an omnipresent concept until she deals with Homura's Soul Gem.
In other words, and in accordance with her wish, Madoka needs to erase Homura's potential witch before she can move on to the next potential witch.
Now take a look at Homura's face. She seems surprised to see Madoka. Then she reverts back to her serious persona - maybe she's thinking about what it means to see Madoka coming for her, and remembering what Kyubey told her about Madoka being observable and able to be interfered with. And then Homura grins. The grin seems like a Eureka Moment - a realization that she has just figured out how to get everything she wants. And as the movie indicates, Homura doesn't really want to be with Madoka forever in the Law of Cycles...
When Homura grabs Madoka's hands, it looks like she's stopping Madoka from purifying her Soul Gem. This is probably exactly what is going on here; Homura is keeping Madoka away from her Soul Gem, nothing more and nothing less. The only reason she can do this is because Madoka is a God in Human Form and not a concept. (Homura's wish to become someone who could protect Madoka is probably also a factor).
Homura has now stopped Madoka from purifying her Soul Gem. She has successfully blocked the Law of Cycles, just as the Isolation Field did. The Isolation Field stopped Homura's Soul Gem from becoming a Grief Seed, preventing her witch from being born. But now there is no Isolation Field. Her Soul Gem turns black because her witch is going to be born...and Madoka has failed to stop it. Homura has fulfilled Kyubey's ultimate goal...
...but then something else happens. Black smoke spills out from Homura's Soul Gem and a new color appears in it. This is strange. Kyubey hypothesized that if they blocked the Law of Cycles, magical girls would become witches again, but this is not what happens when Homura does it. Why? We'll table that for later. Right now, let us just say that Homura has stopped Madoka from preventing her witch from being born, and now Homura is in the process of becoming something other than a witch.
Because Homura is now becoming something other than a witch, Madoka's job is now technically done. She has failed to purify Homura's Soul Gem in time. She must now move on to the next potential witch and return to being an omnipresent concept. But Homura is still grabbing onto Madoka - in other words, Homura is still interfering with the Law of Cycles. She is preventing Madoka from leaving. In a sense, Homura is acting as an anchor; Madoka's role as the Law of Cycles is dragging her elsewhere, but Homura won't let her go. Madoka is now being pulled in two directions...and as a result, reality starts breaking. Eventually, the "strain" is too much and Madoka herself breaks. The part of Madoka that acts as the Law of Cycles is now freed from Homura's grasp and can continue it's role, while the human Madoka, the part Homura held onto, has been torn away from her goddess self and remains in reality. Instead of saying that Homura took Madoka from the Law of Cycles, it might be more accurate to say that the Law of Cycles broke off Madoka in order to escape Homura's grasp.
Reality cracks further as a result of the Law of Cycles losing a piece of itself. The cracks propagate throughout the universe, indicating the change in the Law of Cycles. The cracks are closely followed by the colors bursting out of Homura's Soul Gem and engulfing the universe. It's been suggested that the colors are Homura's barrier engulfing the universe, and this is probably true.
So now the big question: Why didn't Homura become a witch when she blocked Madoka?
Remember, the "color worse than curses", the color of love, only appears in Homura's Soul Gem after she blocks Madoka. Either this color was present in Homura's Soul Gem and was not noticed until then, or it only appeared after Homura prevents Madoka from purifying her Soul Gem. If the colors were present before, this would seem to contradict canon. If they appeared afterward, then again, the question is "why?". Let's go back a bit. The only reason we know that blocking the Law of Cycles will allow magical girls to become witches again is because it's what Kyubey says. But what if Kyubey was wrong?
Homura and the viewers actually know something Kyubey doesn't know for certain, and that is exactly what Madoka wished for. We know that Homura told Kyubey about the witches. We don't know what else she told or didn't tell Kyubey. Even if she did tell Kyubey about Madoka's wish, Kyubey has no way of knowing how accurate or truthful Homura is being.
Why is this important? Let's look at Madoka's wish: "I wish to erase all witches before they are born...all the witches in all the universes, both past and future...with my own hands!"
Madoka's wish is interesting because it technically hasn't come true yet. Rather, it's in the process of becoming true. As long as it's possible for witches to be born, Madoka's wish will not finish becoming true.
Therefore, if a witch is ever born, then that means Madoka's wish will not come true. Now maybe it's possible to prevent a wish from coming true, but keep in mind that this is Madoka, who had the karmic potential of a god when she made her wish, and who said she wouldn't let any rule or law stand in her way. Clearly, Madoka's wish is coming true no matter what. Which means that the birth of a witch...is impossible. This is something that Kyubey could not have known for sure, because he has no memories of Madoka's wish.
But even if it's impossible for a witch to be born, the movie shows it is possible to prevent Madoka from erasing a witch about to be born. Madoka's wish guarantees that witches will never be born again, but it does not guarantee that Madoka will purify every Soul Gem before it becomes a witch.
So how can Madoka's wish come true if she's prevented from purifying a Soul Gem before it becomes a witch? If the magical girl became a witch she would be invalidating Madoka's wish...'
'...so what if the magical girl became something other than a witch? If this is true, then the origins of The Power of Love reveals itself. Homura has blocked Madoka from erasing her witch before it is born. In order to come true, or in other words, in order to preserve itself, Madoka's wish filled Homura's Soul Gem with a new color that has never entered a Soul Gem before, and Homura becomes something that is not a witch. Homura has attempted to stop Madoka's wish from coming true, and while she has technically failed she was able to make it come true in a twisted fashion.
Now Homura could not have known what she would become. In fact, it's possible she didn't even know that she could break Madoka that way. But she knew that she could stop Madoka from purifying her Soul Gem, and (assuming this WMG is true) she may have realized Kyubey was wrong, and that she would not become a witch no matter what happens.
Remember what Homura tells Madoka before they destroy Kyubey's Isolation Field? "No matter what sin, I can take it on. No matter what I might become...I'm certain it'll be fine, as long as you're by my side." Homura's real plan was to grab onto Madoka and not let go no matter what. And it worked.
This makes interesting thematic sense. Madoka was able to destroy Kyubey's system by turning it against itself. Similarly, Homura defeats Madoka system through a bit of Loophole Abuse. Morever, the magical girls Madoka saved essentially become angels. Homura is the first magical girl to sucessfully reject Madoka's salvation, and since she can't become a witch, she becomes a demon instead.
Tldr: Homura spent like 13 years repeating the same month over and over again just to save Madoka, only for her to fade out of existence to become a law of nature. She finally got her chance to "save" Madoka at the end of the film when the isolation field prevented Ultimate Madoka from becoming omnipresent. It makes sense for Homura's character to break Madoka from her godly responsibilities. Also, if Homura went with Madoka to heaven, then the incubators would repeat the experiment with other magical girls until they were able to understand the law of cycles and go back to the old system of Magical girls and witches instead of the current Magical girls and Wraiths. Therefore, what we got in rebellion was the best possible outcome.
"A single 'thank you' is worth more than a million sorries."
Monochrosanity said: Incubators wanted a better method of getting energy to stop entropy or whatever so they tried to create a witch, they used Homura as a test subject with the added bonus of trying to figure out who Madoka is.
A witch is physically impossible due to Madoka’s wish but a labyrinth was still able to be created inside Homura’s soul gem, this labyrinth is where the bulk of the movie took place.
Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa went into the labyrinth to save Homura but the labyrinth wiped Madoka’s memory, in favour of Homura’s idealised version of Madoka.
As Homura realises what’s happening the labyrinth starts to collapse. This lets Madoka gain back her Memory where she sets out to save Homura.
As Madoka goes to save Homura the Incubators use this as an opportunity to learn and perhaps capture Madoka. Homura doesn’t want this so she tries to make her labyrinth collapse, effectively committing suicide. Madoka manages to save her in time though.
After Homura is brought out of the labyrinth by Madoka, Homura steals a portion of Madoka’s powers allowing her to either rewrite part of reality or gain enough power to expand her labyrinth to encapsulate the universe.
Why did Homura do this?
No one really knows but my understanding is that Homura did this to give Madoka the life she was living before, a life unaware unaware of the magical girl system. I believe this as it’s already been professed at the ending of the original series that Homura views Madoka becoming a part of the law of cycles as a fate worst than death. Wanting what’s best for Madoka is backed by how she tried to kill herself in Rebellion to stop the Incubators finding Madoka.
yep, Homura did nothing wrong. Its Madoka's fault, again
In order to prevent Kyubey from seeing and then confirming the Law of Cycle's existence, Homura was ready to curse and kill herself, Ascending to heaven with Madoka would be a pretty stupid thing to do,
cuz one day Kyubey most likely would be able to hax the Law of Cycle and then control it like a puppet
btw I'm wondering
does MadoKami actually know Homura would "betray" her one day? IIRC she said something like, "Now, I can see the Past and Future" she's basically Omniscient
iF thats true,
Why didnt she choose to Erase Homura's memories about her?
I'm starting to think... Deep down, Madoka actually wanted Homura to Rebel
I don’t know much, but I did like seeing Kyuubey haggard, worn and worried in the after credits scene. I’d like to see him and his friends get what they have coming in the upcoming movie.
Monochrosanity said: Incubators wanted a better method of getting energy to stop entropy or whatever so they tried to create a witch, they used Homura as a test subject with the added bonus of trying to figure out who Madoka is.
A witch is physically impossible due to Madoka’s wish but a labyrinth was still able to be created inside Homura’s soul gem, this labyrinth is where the bulk of the movie took place.
Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa went into the labyrinth to save Homura but the labyrinth wiped Madoka’s memory, in favour of Homura’s idealised version of Madoka.
As Homura realises what’s happening the labyrinth starts to collapse. This lets Madoka gain back her Memory where she sets out to save Homura.
As Madoka goes to save Homura the Incubators use this as an opportunity to learn and perhaps capture Madoka. Homura doesn’t want this so she tries to make her labyrinth collapse, effectively committing suicide. Madoka manages to save her in time though.
After Homura is brought out of the labyrinth by Madoka, Homura steals a portion of Madoka’s powers allowing her to either rewrite part of reality or gain enough power to expand her labyrinth to encapsulate the universe.
Why did Homura do this?
No one really knows but my understanding is that Homura did this to give Madoka the life she was living before, a life unaware unaware of the magical girl system. I believe this as it’s already been professed at the ending of the original series that Homura views Madoka becoming a part of the law of cycles as a fate worst than death. Wanting what’s best for Madoka is backed by how she tried to kill herself in Rebellion to stop the Incubators finding Madoka.
Best explanation I've read so far, thx for making me understand the movie