So I'm a Spider, So What? (light novel)
| The human side of the story just bores me out to no end. I simply don't care about some jealous idiot or some bland MC who has a bro-complex or some obsessive imouto or some dude with gender dysphoria etc. I just want to see spider chick having her own adventure and evolving, for some reason I keep thinking about Watamote when I see this female MC. Maybe some brief mentioning of the human side is fine but it greatly annoys me to see the human part sometimes wastes like half of the ep, similar to how I had to endure the sections with Salsa in GoT. A story with multiple POV is great if you enjoy all POV and it appeals to a more diverse fanbase but sometimes it's a chore to watch if you don't care about some characters and their POV What do you think? Will you enjoy this show more with less human screen time or not? |
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Futari_no_Ossan said: The human side of the story just bores me out to no end. I simply don't care about some jealous idiot or some bland MC who has a bro-complex or some obsessive imouto or some dude with gender dysphoria etc. I just want to see spider chick having her own adventure and evolving, for some reason I keep thinking about Watamote when I see this female MC. Maybe some brief mentioning of the human side is fine but it greatly annoys me to see the human part sometimes wastes like half of the ep, similar to how I had to endure the sections with Salsa in GoT. A story with multiple POV is great if you enjoy all POV and it appeals to a more diverse fanbase but sometimes it's a chore to watch if you don't care about some characters and their POV What do you think? Will you enjoy this show more with less human screen time or not? Short answer - No. Long answer - What would be end goal of said evolutionary spider adventure? Fighting monsters each week till the end of time? Would that be an interesting story? Thats just straight up uninspired powerfantasy wish-fulfillment. i mean there is an audience for that - but that's not waht spider is about. |
Talmer said: Short answer - No. Long answer - What would be end goal of said evolutionary spider adventure? Fighting monsters each week till the end of time? Would that be an interesting story? Thats just straight up uninspired powerfantasy wish-fulfillment. i mean there is an audience for that - but that's not waht spider is about. I was thinking something along the line of Kumoko being like Kuroko and just having fun doing random things as a spider while getting as edgy and cringy as possible. Nothing really happens in Watamote too isn't it? I'm not too opposed to the idea of a future conflict with the human side but Jesus H Christ this author just makes the human side as generic isekai as possible so it'd have been nice to get it skimped through as fast as possible and just a couple mentions here and there to set things up, not prolonged scenes of the teacher yapping on and on about lessons in class or random scenes of the bro-con sister stalking MC or MC fantasizing about wincest with his bro. I'm pretty sure they'll include As for the plot, is it that interesting compared to a slice-of-life show? IIRC (been a while that I read the novel) this sounds too much like the gazillionth isekai show that was done before, you know that was done in Mushoku, then SAO, then even before that .Hack series, heck even Star Ocean 3 the video game has done this trope years before. If given a choice between a slice-of-life isekai show with wish-fulfillment and yet another similar show about god manipulation then personally I'd lean towards the former if I really have to pick my poison |
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Futari_no_Ossan said: I was thinking something along the line of Kumoko being like Kuroko and just having fun doing random things as a spider while getting as edgy and cringy as possible. Nothing really happens in Watamote too isn't it? I'm not too opposed to the idea of a future conflict with the human side but Jesus H Christ this author just makes the human side as generic isekai as possible so it'd have been nice to get it skimped through as fast as possible and just a couple mentions here and there to set things up, not prolonged scenes of the teacher yapping on and on about lessons in class or random scenes of the bro-con sister stalking MC or MC fantasizing about wincest with his bro. I'm pretty sure they'll include As for the plot, is it that interesting compared to a slice-of-life show? IIRC (been a while that I read the novel) this sounds too much like the gazillionth isekai show that was done before, you know that was done in Mushoku, then SAO, then even before that .Hack series, heck even Star Ocean 3 the video game has done this trope years before. If given a choice between a slice-of-life isekai show with wish-fulfillment and yet another similar show about god manipulation then personally I'd lean towards the former if I really have to pick my poison First of all human side serves for world building and introducing forces at play. 2nd Lastly abotu what this show is about. [redacted] on the 2nd thought to much info even with triple spoiler tags. |
TalmerMar 6, 2021 8:46 PM
| I actually care more about the human side as of recent. The life of Kumoko is slowly getting more and more repetitive to me and it's interesting seeing something new from another perspective. |
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Futari_no_Ossan said: this is honestly a tiny list compared to the amount of slice of life wish fulfilment isekais you could probably find that was done in Mushoku, then SAO, then even before that .Hack series, heck even Star Ocean 3 the video game has done this trope years before. |
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Futari_no_Ossan said: The human side of the story just bores me out to no end. I simply don't care about some jealous idiot or some bland MC who has a bro-complex or some obsessive imouto or some dude with gender dysphoria etc. I just want to see spider chick having her own adventure and evolving, for some reason I keep thinking about Watamote when I see this female MC. Maybe some brief mentioning of the human side is fine but it greatly annoys me to see the human part sometimes wastes like half of the ep, similar to how I had to endure the sections with Salsa in GoT. A story with multiple POV is great if you enjoy all POV and it appeals to a more diverse fanbase but sometimes it's a chore to watch if you don't care about some characters and their POV What do you think? Will you enjoy this show more with less human screen time or not? Yes, i just thinking the same thing, i really dont care whatsoever any of the human, maybe the elf teacher and the little dragon, but the others are extremely boring, i prefer watch the spider only Maybe she can later gain some party members or friend or whatever but yes they are boring as hell |
| Yes, the show would be much better without the human side. |
Abredon said: You keep falling into the "this fits into Trope X, no now it's Trope Y, now Trope Z" traps that Okina Baba planted. linkhuesitos said: Funny enough the author himself has said that the students story was write generic on purpose (for god sake there's even a character named Sue). Hmmm... so you guys are saying it was done on purpose by the author? What's the reason for baiting the readers/viewers? Is it to make the plot twist reveal more impactful? If that's the case hopefully I'll be impressed with the twists lying ahead. The last time I was impressed with an isekai show plot twist was with Shinchou Yuusha, a short and compact series that doesn't drag on too long on its gimmick. If only Shun has some funny quirk about him like Shinchou Yusha MC that'd make it more entertaining but alas the only people I'm mildly intrigued about in the human camp are just the elf teacher and the girl brainwashed by religion |
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| For me, the problem is, there's so much to keep track of. The magic system the spider uses is complicated and adding all the drama from the humans is overwhelming. The creators haven't played their cards well, which I'm told are very good cards, so it's rather unfortunate. By the way, who's the dude with gender dysphoria? It must be one of the many pieces of info thrown at me at some point. |
Ryuk is somewhat relatable |
IamVermillion said: By the way, who's the dude with gender dysphoria? It must be one of the many pieces of info thrown at me at some point. https://myanimelist.net/character/156534/Karnatia_Seri_Anabald |
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| I don't think it would be better without the human side. It provides context for what's going on with Kumoko and invaluable world building. Plus some nice little drama. |
| Nope... You definitely wrong.. Human side of the story is important for the world building... |
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| Abredon said it well. The series has an extremely long prologue but cookie is already starting to crumble in ep9, then eps 13-24 are going to get real hectic on both sides. |
| The trouble with the future is that it keeps turning into the present. |
chaosnetwork said: My main interest is in the demons and the demon lord! She looks so epic in the opening. I'm trying to see what she's about, and I'm SOOOO glad this new episode finally introduced them! She obviously was one of the classmates. Let's see how the interaction goes when Kumoko realizes that. I'm just conjecting but isn't the demon lord and Kumoko the same person? Same voice, same spider ability, same edginess and the fact that her silk was retrieved and made into a scarf for Shun's bro suggests there's a time skip between her timeline and Shun's timeline. As to why she wages war against humans, that's something I'm looking forward to find out |
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| Why are people still asking this after episode 9 aired? Sure, it is only a glimpse of what is going on, but it should have explained a few things at least. Did you not get it? Aside from the specific reveals, the broader take-home message was that the story is intentionally misleading. |
TheDeedsOfMenMar 7, 2021 12:19 PM
| I can't stand the human side of the story. People who've read the LN explain how they are important they are, but so far they only annoy me. Futari_no_Ossan said: ...Shun's timeline. As to why she wages war against humans, that's something I'm looking forward to find out I've seen half an hour of Shun and I already want to wipe out humanity |
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Futari_no_Ossan said: I'm just conjecting but isn't the demon lord and Kumoko the same person? Same voice, same spider ability, same edginess and the fact that her silk was retrieved and made into a scarf for Shun's bro suggests there's a time skip between her timeline and Shun's timeline. As to why she wages war against humans, that's something I'm looking forward to find out They have different voice actors. |
| Read the manga and find out... |
| Give me at least 5 minutes to modify my post before quoting me. (refreshing page advised) |
nakkki said: Reload said: Read the manga and find out... Yeah, and get all the mystery which was the MAIN selling point of this show taken away.. I used to read the manga, when i switched to LN, i was so annoyed with what the manga did. I actually like the manga way more. I like things in chronological order and the human side is just annoying. Yes, I know what happens, I do not care, none of them are likeable. After this is over I hope there is a fan made chronological cut. |
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Abredon said: Noy_Telinu said: I actually like the manga way more. I like things in chronological order and the human side is just annoying. Yes, I know what happens, I do not care, none of them are likeable. After this is over I hope there is a fan made chronological cut. Yeah, let's also take a famous murder mystery and recut it into chronological order based on the testimony of the witnesses, intercutting between them whenever they overlap. It won't make any sense, but It'll be in order. This is a mystery and there are many reasons for the human side of the human/demon war to be covered early. Your job is to either enjoy the story or to look for clues in everything shown. There are a lot of clues. You will not find them all, but the ones you find will increase your enjoyment. Meh, do not care for mysteries, gives me anxiety. I am the type to spoil myself to feel at ease. As I said, I know what happens, and yes, I can see the clues, still do not care for the humans. |
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| Anime watcher only, I think human side is necessary, otherwise the story is gonna fall apart rather quickly. But god, the human side of story is so fucking bad. Like, literally bad. Crap narration on their side with info dump after dump and no exposition to answer things at all. Literally seeing unknown characters with unknown motives doing stuff that give zero explanations. I seriously hope the payout when their stories meet are worth it because it's so dogshit borderline unbearable right now. At least Kumoko's actions scenes are still great. |
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| Human side is definitely weaker but I still think it's interesting to see other students and their circumstances compared to the MC. It's also good that we get to learn more about the world itself compared to the MC, who is currently stuck in a labyrinth. |
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| I usually see characters as pieces of the narrative anyway. I don't usually try to self-insert as them very hard or care about them on a deeply emotional level or anything. There are some exceptions, of course. But even if I don't care about most of them so deeply, they can still be successful as narrative devices. ...Hey, maybe that is another reason why I don't like wish fulfillment self-insert stories. |
| I'm fully aware... -_- |
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Abredon said: <partway through reading a murder mystery> X <who later turns out to be the murderer> is boring! Let's take out all the scenes involving X - then it would be better! Kumo is like a murder mystery, except withness is hallucination, detective died dozen years ago, and the murder didn't happen yet. Abredon said: And War and Peace is Boring - Let's take out all the French language! Who needs the backdrop of the Napoleonic War when showing the effects of the Napoleonic period on Russian aristocrats? War and Peace wasn't a book made as entertainment, common people wouldn't have access to it anyway, it was a kind of essay to be read by intellectuals which happens to have some fictional characters. |
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Abredon said: <partway through reading a murder mystery> X <who later turns out to be the murderer> is boring! Let's take out all the scenes involving X - then it would be better! And War and Peace is Boring - Let's take out all the French language! Who needs the backdrop of the Napoleonic War when showing the effects of the Napoleonic period on Russian aristocrats? Do you see the problem? If you take out a major plot element, the story is destroyed. This doesn't matter for an ordinary self-insert isekai, but matters a lot if there is actually a real plot. This exact thing is why the Manga is looked down upon - a major part of the story is missing. That part is necessary to the plot before too long. You mean that is why the manga is better, IT MAKES FUCKING SENSE. Look, the LN may be fine with those who like being lied and misdirected and have this shit of back and forth timeline jump while the author is snickering about pulling one over you, but I hate it. No amount of "But it is important!" is going to make me care about these humans. And yes, again, I know what happens so it isn't from not knowing. I just like simple stuff you know? No overly complex narratives and making things grand and shit. That is why I love the SOL anime and the isekai and fantasy stuff I love don't try to be epics. The manga was much more enjoyable for me to read and when they do get to the humans besides the vampire, well, maybe they will be more tolerable the 3rd time. But I doubt it. |
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Abredon said: Noy_Telinu said: You mean that is why the manga is better, IT MAKES FUCKING SENSE. Look, the LN may be fine with those who like being lied and misdirected and have this shit of back and forth timeline jump while the author is snickering about pulling one over you, but I hate it. No amount of "But it is important!" is going to make me care about these humans. And yes, again, I know what happens so it isn't from not knowing. I just like simple stuff you know? No overly complex narratives and making things grand and shit. That is why I love the SOL anime and the isekai and fantasy stuff I love don't try to be epics. The manga was much more enjoyable for me to read and when they do get to the humans besides the vampire, well, maybe they will be more tolerable the 3rd time. But I doubt it. If you don't like anime with an actual story and complex characters with hidden motivations, this isn't the anime for you. Apart from Hugo and Shun, there are NO characters in this story with simple motivations. The Manga is just hiding the unpleasant truth from you. (This is why fans of the source material don't like the Manga-it isn't telling the same story, and it's doing that in an actively harmful way.) While some might like having "Mystery on the Orient Express" done as a James Bond action movie, publishing such would be harmful to the original story (which is a Hercule Poirrot murder mystery, not a Bond Action story). Well I like this better than S2 of Slime at least. And yeah I like the manga, so... |
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| Better question: Would this show be slightly better without the human side of the SPIDER? Such retarded personality. Plus, it has nothing to do with her personality from before death. |
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akiraic said: not sure how, most of her personality has always been inside her head before and after reincarnatingBetter question: Would this show be slightly better without the human side of the SPIDER? Such retarded personality. Plus, it has nothing to do with her personality from before death. |
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| The biggest problem with telling the story chronologically, is that eventually the manga is going to be dominated by the human side of things. Telling both stories simultaneously (early on) breaks up the monotony of the MCs level grind while presenting important information about the larger world. Plus, there will eventually come a point where the story does become more linear (once the MC joins her “party” and they start working their way time-wise towards the events portrayed in the human side of the story). I understand that some people don’t like the complications that are written into the story. Telling it out of order, misdirection by using common tropes, using unreliable narrators who present the same events very differently, and so on. To those people, I can only say that I respect your opinion and you’re free to enjoy the things you like. Also: this story is probably not for you. |
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