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What do you think of the police?
Bunch of pussies
5.1%
5
Bunch of pansies
3.1%
3
Bunch of clowns
13.3%
13
Bunch of arseholes
6.1%
6
Bunch of morons
10.2%
10
Bunch of heroes
38.8%
38
Bunch of bullies
14.3%
14
Bunch of dickheads
9.2%
9
98 votes
Nov 3, 2020 3:02 PM
#101
| @Zeroflamez what does this have to do with using guns over tasers? "If they shoot it's to seriously hurt/kill you" why can't that be done with tasers? Also you just ignored 90% of my first reply to that user |
Nov 3, 2020 3:17 PM
#102
| I was training to be a police officer before now. I can say most police don't practice what is taught in the Academy. |
Nov 3, 2020 3:23 PM
#103
Idania said: @Zeroflamez what does this have to do with using guns over tasers? "If they shoot it's to seriously hurt/kill you" why can't that be done with tasers? Also you just ignored 90% of my first reply to that user Because tasers aren't 100% reliable and doesn't work for every scenario? It isn't uncommon for people to get tased and shake it off like it's nothing. If someone is running at a cop with a weapon and the taser misses or the doesn't put the person down the cop is most likely dead or seriously hurt. That's why a gun is a thousand times more reliable. That's the reality of it. I don't know why a lot of people who are anti police don't understand this. As I've said before if you are complying and doing what is asked of you MOST times you will not be shot. Of course the possibility is always there but your chances are MUCH MUCH lower if you don't act like an asshole and reach in your pocket when you were told not to. |
Nov 3, 2020 3:37 PM
#104
| @Zeroflamez "Because tasers aren't 100% reliable" HAHAHA nothing is 100% reliable dude, or even 95%. And people shouldn't be looking for things to be. "If someone is running at a cop with a weapon and the taser misses or the doesn't put the person down the cop is most likely dead or seriously hurt." well, the police are human & so are the criminals, so police's life isn't more precious/important. This ESPECIALLY applies if the criminal has mental-illness. (unless the criminal has committed some GRAVE crimes/has a functioning mind) "I don't know why a lot of people who are anti police don't understand this" I'm not anti police "As I've said before if you are complying and doing what is asked of you MOST times you will not be shot. Of course the possibility is always there but your chances are MUCH MUCH lower if you don't act like an asshole and reach in your pocket when you were told not to." I agree with this statement! |
Nov 3, 2020 4:06 PM
#105
Idania said: @Zeroflamez "Because tasers aren't 100% reliable" HAHAHA nothing is 100% reliable dude, or even 95%. And people shouldn't be looking for things to be. "If someone is running at a cop with a weapon and the taser misses or the doesn't put the person down the cop is most likely dead or seriously hurt." well, the police are human & so are the criminals, so police's life isn't more precious/important. This ESPECIALLY applies if the criminal has mental-illness. (unless the criminal has committed some GRAVE crimes/has a functioning mind) "I don't know why a lot of people who are anti police don't understand this" I'm not anti police "As I've said before if you are complying and doing what is asked of you MOST times you will not be shot. Of course the possibility is always there but your chances are MUCH MUCH lower if you don't act like an asshole and reach in your pocket when you were told not to." I agree with this statement! Nothing is 100% reliable you're right but the point still stands that gun is more reliable than taser. Higher chance of a bullet stopping someone in their tracks than a taser. Yes a police's life is just as important as a criminals. That also means that the cop has every right to defend themselves even if it includes killing a criminal that is trying to kill them. Yes I agree if a person has a mental illness the cops should make an effort to detain the person if they can safely do so. If not and they end up having to kill this individual or seriously hurt them then that's just the unfortunate reality. Can't save everyone. |
Nov 3, 2020 9:27 PM
#106
SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: I agree police unions protect bad cops too much so they should have their power reduced or taken away completely. SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: If theres no representation in office for them thats where they can make their own political party. For the most part when someone is killed by the cops its usually because they had a weapon and were threatening the officers life, movements like blm have interfered with policing so much that police officers are now afraid to shoot someone rushing at them with a machete because of the color of their skinSargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: It doesn't matter if a third party isn't going to win, in a democratic system you aren't supposed to riot because you dont get your way you are supposed to start your own party its irrelevant whether or not you win. Like I said there is no right wing representation in canada but you dont see us burning stuff down, we have our own new political party and we build on it instead of throwing a temper tantrum in the streets.SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: Business owners are admired by the right wing so they wouldn't be attacked by right wingers, nah right wing people just respect law and order so they are way less likely to commit violence against cops or business owners or innocent bystanders even, why do you think the riot police always have their backs to trump supporters when they try to break up a conflict? its because they know that nobody on that side is going to try to harm them. No it doesn't trap them because they aren't being held at gunpoint or being forced to only vote red or blue, they choose to vote for dems so they get what they vote for, they dont get to waste their own votes and limit their choices and then throw a tantrum and burn everything down. If they dont like any of the options they have the option to start their own political party and build support with other disenfranchised voters, rioting just further enforces the two party system with "their guy vs our guy" politics.SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: This just means that they are voluntarily trapping themselves in the 2 party system so they cant just trap themselves and then turn around and play the victim. Most if not all rioters are left wing though considering all the riots have occurred at left wing protests and the riots usually result in violence against police and business owners both of which aren't things that centrists or right wingers would commit violence against.SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: Doesn't this mean they truly dont care? If they did care wouldn't they be voting third party? Even if they weren't satisfied burning down buildings isnt acceptable behavior considering there is a simple alternative right there for those who dont feel represented by republicans or democrats.RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? "Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests." Such as great model for society... "How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here?" Important rights such as Affirmative Action, oh wait, that is a Privilege. "The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter" While I am not very knowledgeable on Federal powers, they are were very limited during the riots, such as just some Federal agents, whereas the Governor needed to call for the National Guard, and the Federal Government wasn't willing to call on the military. These riots happened during a Pandemic, and the fact that the US government just let that happen, shows how weak they are. "Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden." Biden will still do more of the Leftist agenda, than Trump did for his supporters. "Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are." This is a misunderstanding of how American Democracy works, the electoral college is about State representation, and is completely fair. This is why we need protests and further riots. The very fact you can say this, shows the privilege you have, any right wing person saying that would be arrested. "but people need to listen to these protesters." No they don't. um, okay? Rights isn't privilege umm wtf Biden is more of a centrist than anything, the left agenda. You mean believing climate change is real lol But the american democracy is ruled by small states that making it not really a democracy. Why shouldn't the most popular person win? Wouldn't that be more fair? SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? This is why we need protests and further riots Lmao imagine having the privilege to not worry about your business being burned down or your employers business being burned down, also insurance companies drag out the payment process for a very very long time which usually ends up in the owner losing their livelihood for a pretty long time so "they have insurance" doesn't justify burning down someones business. Nobody else cares about change hence why the two party system still exists, why should the majority of people who like the status quo be forced to submit to rioters and protesters with unreasonable demands? I worked for a small business actually so yes it was a concern. Lots of people really hate the two party system actually. So I think it's strange you would say otherwise People being hired not based on merit, but because of their group is a Privilege. Calling Biden a centrist is just untrue, the reason why Leftists don't like him, is because he isn't as far left as them. So you are saying those backwater, provincial small states shouldn't get representation. The US is a federal country, that means the states get representation. If you think those small states are preventing your side from getting power, it just shows how unpopular your ideology is. It's not a privilege, white people given jobs way more over poc and if we don't give them jobs they'll never get out of the poverty we put them in. White people aren't losing jobs over poc. This just isn't happening Yes, I think you just proved my point about Biden lol No I'm saying that the electoral vote doesn't work for the country. Most people hated Trump. Then why did he win? So strange :/ I live in Wisconsin, I am the small states. The left has won the popular vote for the last few elections yet republicans are still in power. Something about that sits wrong with me SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: If so many people supposedly hate the two party system why do they keep playing into it? Its not hard to vote third party like the Libertarian party or whatever left wing party there is instead of the Republicans or Democrats. There is a clear alternative and people dont take it this doesn't mean protesters get to go apeshit and break everything. Imo its a vocal minority that dislikes the 2 party system and most people are just "grilling" so they could care less and the status quo works for them.RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? "Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests." Such as great model for society... "How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here?" Important rights such as Affirmative Action, oh wait, that is a Privilege. "The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter" While I am not very knowledgeable on Federal powers, they are were very limited during the riots, such as just some Federal agents, whereas the Governor needed to call for the National Guard, and the Federal Government wasn't willing to call on the military. These riots happened during a Pandemic, and the fact that the US government just let that happen, shows how weak they are. "Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden." Biden will still do more of the Leftist agenda, than Trump did for his supporters. "Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are." This is a misunderstanding of how American Democracy works, the electoral college is about State representation, and is completely fair. This is why we need protests and further riots. The very fact you can say this, shows the privilege you have, any right wing person saying that would be arrested. "but people need to listen to these protesters." No they don't. um, okay? Rights isn't privilege umm wtf Biden is more of a centrist than anything, the left agenda. You mean believing climate change is real lol But the american democracy is ruled by small states that making it not really a democracy. Why shouldn't the most popular person win? Wouldn't that be more fair? SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? This is why we need protests and further riots Lmao imagine having the privilege to not worry about your business being burned down or your employers business being burned down, also insurance companies drag out the payment process for a very very long time which usually ends up in the owner losing their livelihood for a pretty long time so "they have insurance" doesn't justify burning down someones business. Nobody else cares about change hence why the two party system still exists, why should the majority of people who like the status quo be forced to submit to rioters and protesters with unreasonable demands? I worked for a small business actually so yes it was a concern. Lots of people really hate the two party system actually. So I think it's strange you would say otherwise people always want to vote for the person they think will win. I'm not saying people are like a third party. Just people want to not only really have a choice of two parties. The idea of a third party winning is crazy since most people vote and don't think too hard about it and just cause something is the status quo doesn't mean it can't hurt people just cause something is the status quo doesn't mean it can't hurt people I never suggested anything like that, im just saying people seem relatively content with the status quo outside of a vocal minority. If people want to have more choices they have to take the action to back other parties, looting and burning doesn't bring about that third or 4th option it just cements the current two options which are our guy vs their guy. The idea of a third party winning is crazy since most people vote and don't think too hard about it This is what I mean, the reason why they just vote and dont think too hard about it is because they are for the most part satisfied with the current status quo and the majority of americans do this, to them politics is like this big game of red vs blue based purely on entertainment. Thing is, people hate politics. They hate talking about them. They thing both the far right and far left are crazy. I don't think that means they are satisfied by the two party system, more if they don't want deal with it because their rights aren't up in the air every 4 years People do vote a third party still. But people want to vote fro someone who they think will win, like either of the two candidates. And rioters aren't all the libtards or voting third party. Really there's no correlation with either Well don't you think the two party system traps them? Like you have no choice and saying ig most leftists vote third party it'll fix it won't. While lots of people don't care for the two party system, people also think anything else sucks. Right wing people can commit violence against business owners just like left wing people do. I think it's also interesting how you point out that right wing extremist wouldn't hurt officers. Maybe because the officers are working in a right leaning direction. Hence why the left would "attack" them, not like police attacked first ever Respect law and order, lol. They do that because it benefits them, laws are catered to please the right. Only in recent years were the left able to get pro-lgbt laws. White people don't have to worry about being hated for being white, poc do thou. The right isn't protesting things that would move our society forward, they're moving society back. (fighting against abortion, rights for lgbt people, justice for poc ect.) You're acting like cities are being burnt everyday with these protests. They aren't, most protests are peaceful. And even with the peaceful protests, no one was listening. That's why people are rioting, not because they just wanna burn shit for kicks. I mean sure you can say rioting furthers the two party system but at the end of the day rioting is the means to an end. If the left didn't have to riot for justice, they wouldn't. People don't want to be violent because it will make them look bad Yeah but the thing about this guy or this guy is that is how it is. People don't know more. They think any further left politics is just crazy talk. So they vote democrat thou they want just the less crazy candidate. People just vote for the nicer person even if their policy sucks. Which is why the campaigns are always putting down the other candidate, calling them crazy and such. The two party system destroys democracy, people only have two choices. Well there yes is other options them winning is impossible for tons of fucking reasons I've said before. Voting has no choice really because of stuff like the electoral college People don't know more. They think any further left politics is just crazy talk. Ah I see the problem now,I might be getting this wrong but since your favored ideology isnt accepted by people you think rioting and forcing it on them is somehow good and moral? were the left able to get pro-lgbt laws. White people don't have to worry about being hated for being white, poc do thou. Have you heard of critical race theory? More than 70% of the population supports LGBT people in the US just because the right wing boogeyman gets power doesn't mean that the LGBT community is going to get nuked with gay marriage being repealed. That's why people are rioting, not because they just wanna burn shit for kicks. I mean sure you can say rioting furthers the two party system but at the end of the day rioting is the means to an end. This doesn't justify rioting though, there is another alternative called voting for who you like or starting your own party, Canada is pretty far left but you dont see the Canadian right burning stuff down because the centrist conservative party doesn't represent them, they started their own party called the PPC and they vote for that party instead of throwing a temper tantrum in the streets and burning everything down. Abortion doesn't move a society forward though it moves it back, it moves us back to the time where Aztecs were like sacrificing children in temples. Well there yes is other options them winning is impossible for tons of fucking reasons I've said before. Voting has no choice really because of stuff like the electoral college It seems like you just want to force left wing policy onto others lmao, you can start your own party and gain support or vote third party you aren't entitled to the privilege of having your ideology adopted by the state unless you win a presidential election. That is wrong. I know plenty of people aren't going to become leftist anytime soon. I get it, but I don't want to encourage violence. I am only understanding of why the rioters did what they did. I mean yes ofc most people do support lgbt, good but there was in the supreme court talk of getting rid gay marriage laws since it goes against their freedom of religion. (source:https://time.com/5896742/conservative-supreme-court-justices-target-gay-marriage/) Again acting like it's burning down cities every day. Most blm protest are peaceful. I don't know too much about Canada's voting system but the thing is I know America had the electoral college is the only way Republicans are still getting into office as the popular vote has dyed out. And I don't even wanna try and debate you on abortion cause that just won't work. Literally the chances of a third party winning are impossible, it's just not happening. And like I said again and again, the electoral college makes it so two parties are the only two options for most American citizens People are protesting because there is no representation for them in office. And people are dying, cops are killing people. The right is a lot of white men, this is a fact not to like insult you or something. If white men were being killed like poc were by cops the right wouldn't riot because they think any criminal deserved their death. Which is not true. People are dying more from police than these protests as again most are peaceful. Calling the biggest civil rights movements in history a riots just looks bad because one it's not true and I don't think you mean what I'm taking it as. People are dying more from police than these protests as again most are peacefu The George Floyd protests alone killed like 30 people (They have since dropped this number to 19+ and removed it from google so you actually have to read the wikipedia page instead of it popping up right away but other sources say atleast 26 have died), if you look at where the "mostly peaceful" comes from and look at the methodology used in mapping the protests you can see its total bs and a fake number, it counts someone waving a sign on a street corner as a protest and doesn't take into account the size of a protest, without fail every single protest has turned into a riot. Well I cannot see the video you put I will take on everything else you said. Are there times cops need to kill people in self defense? Yes ofc. But cops are killing innocent people like Brennona Taylor who wasn't even the person they were after, and also wasn't holding the weapon. Cops are trained to shoot people to not kill yet they are killing people. People who don't have weapons. Cops are meant to bring people into custody, not kill people since they are judges or juries. Plus cops are not being charged like they should. As lot of cops are told to not tell on each other so it creates a circle of bad behavior. The people who are getting killed don't get a trial as they are sentenced to death, but cops are getting off so easy unlike the people they killed. Actually I went to a blm protest, no riot happened just people in the streets walking. It was my whole city fucking out there plus I live close to all the protests. Sure this is my own experience so it might not mean much to you but tell me why blm protester want to be violent? People have been protesting police violence peacefully for a bit but the thing is, they got fired from their job. Plus peaceful looks better fro the movement, so it's not riots for random reasons. That is a protest, few people holding up signs is a protest It doesn't need a certain number of people to be one Police violence is so much higher, which is why you aren't seeing results for it. Since deaths from protests are so much lower than police violence Cops are trained to shoot people to not kill yet they are killing people. This is false though, cops are trained to shoot to kill because you are only supposed to draw your gun when you plan on neutralizing an immediate threat and the neutralization will probably end up killing the person so they have to take that into account. But cops are killing innocent people like Brennona Taylor I agree this is wrong but it cant be blamed 100% on the cops, no-knock warrants are a violation of property rights and police shouldn't even be allowed to do no-knocks or be ordered to do no-knocks in the first place so politicians are also to blame.But that doesn't happen, cops are pulling on unarmed people and not just a threat. Cops always feel threatened when they are often the ones with more power. Yes no knock warnings are fucked but at the end of the day they are cops working the the fucked up system. ACAB stands. They're job is to hurt people, they are still in the wrong |
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SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: Nah cops are supposed to protect private property, life and stability, their job isnt to harm people. Which unarmed person did cops pull their guns on though?SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: I agree police unions protect bad cops too much so they should have their power reduced or taken away completely. SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: If theres no representation in office for them thats where they can make their own political party. For the most part when someone is killed by the cops its usually because they had a weapon and were threatening the officers life, movements like blm have interfered with policing so much that police officers are now afraid to shoot someone rushing at them with a machete because of the color of their skinSargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: It doesn't matter if a third party isn't going to win, in a democratic system you aren't supposed to riot because you dont get your way you are supposed to start your own party its irrelevant whether or not you win. Like I said there is no right wing representation in canada but you dont see us burning stuff down, we have our own new political party and we build on it instead of throwing a temper tantrum in the streets.SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: Business owners are admired by the right wing so they wouldn't be attacked by right wingers, nah right wing people just respect law and order so they are way less likely to commit violence against cops or business owners or innocent bystanders even, why do you think the riot police always have their backs to trump supporters when they try to break up a conflict? its because they know that nobody on that side is going to try to harm them. No it doesn't trap them because they aren't being held at gunpoint or being forced to only vote red or blue, they choose to vote for dems so they get what they vote for, they dont get to waste their own votes and limit their choices and then throw a tantrum and burn everything down. If they dont like any of the options they have the option to start their own political party and build support with other disenfranchised voters, rioting just further enforces the two party system with "their guy vs our guy" politics.SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: This just means that they are voluntarily trapping themselves in the 2 party system so they cant just trap themselves and then turn around and play the victim. Most if not all rioters are left wing though considering all the riots have occurred at left wing protests and the riots usually result in violence against police and business owners both of which aren't things that centrists or right wingers would commit violence against.SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: Doesn't this mean they truly dont care? If they did care wouldn't they be voting third party? Even if they weren't satisfied burning down buildings isnt acceptable behavior considering there is a simple alternative right there for those who dont feel represented by republicans or democrats.RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? "Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests." Such as great model for society... "How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here?" Important rights such as Affirmative Action, oh wait, that is a Privilege. "The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter" While I am not very knowledgeable on Federal powers, they are were very limited during the riots, such as just some Federal agents, whereas the Governor needed to call for the National Guard, and the Federal Government wasn't willing to call on the military. These riots happened during a Pandemic, and the fact that the US government just let that happen, shows how weak they are. "Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden." Biden will still do more of the Leftist agenda, than Trump did for his supporters. "Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are." This is a misunderstanding of how American Democracy works, the electoral college is about State representation, and is completely fair. This is why we need protests and further riots. The very fact you can say this, shows the privilege you have, any right wing person saying that would be arrested. "but people need to listen to these protesters." No they don't. um, okay? Rights isn't privilege umm wtf Biden is more of a centrist than anything, the left agenda. You mean believing climate change is real lol But the american democracy is ruled by small states that making it not really a democracy. Why shouldn't the most popular person win? Wouldn't that be more fair? SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? This is why we need protests and further riots Lmao imagine having the privilege to not worry about your business being burned down or your employers business being burned down, also insurance companies drag out the payment process for a very very long time which usually ends up in the owner losing their livelihood for a pretty long time so "they have insurance" doesn't justify burning down someones business. Nobody else cares about change hence why the two party system still exists, why should the majority of people who like the status quo be forced to submit to rioters and protesters with unreasonable demands? I worked for a small business actually so yes it was a concern. Lots of people really hate the two party system actually. So I think it's strange you would say otherwise People being hired not based on merit, but because of their group is a Privilege. Calling Biden a centrist is just untrue, the reason why Leftists don't like him, is because he isn't as far left as them. So you are saying those backwater, provincial small states shouldn't get representation. The US is a federal country, that means the states get representation. If you think those small states are preventing your side from getting power, it just shows how unpopular your ideology is. It's not a privilege, white people given jobs way more over poc and if we don't give them jobs they'll never get out of the poverty we put them in. White people aren't losing jobs over poc. This just isn't happening Yes, I think you just proved my point about Biden lol No I'm saying that the electoral vote doesn't work for the country. Most people hated Trump. Then why did he win? So strange :/ I live in Wisconsin, I am the small states. The left has won the popular vote for the last few elections yet republicans are still in power. Something about that sits wrong with me SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: If so many people supposedly hate the two party system why do they keep playing into it? Its not hard to vote third party like the Libertarian party or whatever left wing party there is instead of the Republicans or Democrats. There is a clear alternative and people dont take it this doesn't mean protesters get to go apeshit and break everything. Imo its a vocal minority that dislikes the 2 party system and most people are just "grilling" so they could care less and the status quo works for them.RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? "Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests." Such as great model for society... "How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here?" Important rights such as Affirmative Action, oh wait, that is a Privilege. "The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter" While I am not very knowledgeable on Federal powers, they are were very limited during the riots, such as just some Federal agents, whereas the Governor needed to call for the National Guard, and the Federal Government wasn't willing to call on the military. These riots happened during a Pandemic, and the fact that the US government just let that happen, shows how weak they are. "Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden." Biden will still do more of the Leftist agenda, than Trump did for his supporters. "Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are." This is a misunderstanding of how American Democracy works, the electoral college is about State representation, and is completely fair. This is why we need protests and further riots. The very fact you can say this, shows the privilege you have, any right wing person saying that would be arrested. "but people need to listen to these protesters." No they don't. um, okay? Rights isn't privilege umm wtf Biden is more of a centrist than anything, the left agenda. You mean believing climate change is real lol But the american democracy is ruled by small states that making it not really a democracy. Why shouldn't the most popular person win? Wouldn't that be more fair? SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? This is why we need protests and further riots Lmao imagine having the privilege to not worry about your business being burned down or your employers business being burned down, also insurance companies drag out the payment process for a very very long time which usually ends up in the owner losing their livelihood for a pretty long time so "they have insurance" doesn't justify burning down someones business. Nobody else cares about change hence why the two party system still exists, why should the majority of people who like the status quo be forced to submit to rioters and protesters with unreasonable demands? I worked for a small business actually so yes it was a concern. Lots of people really hate the two party system actually. So I think it's strange you would say otherwise people always want to vote for the person they think will win. I'm not saying people are like a third party. Just people want to not only really have a choice of two parties. The idea of a third party winning is crazy since most people vote and don't think too hard about it and just cause something is the status quo doesn't mean it can't hurt people just cause something is the status quo doesn't mean it can't hurt people I never suggested anything like that, im just saying people seem relatively content with the status quo outside of a vocal minority. If people want to have more choices they have to take the action to back other parties, looting and burning doesn't bring about that third or 4th option it just cements the current two options which are our guy vs their guy. The idea of a third party winning is crazy since most people vote and don't think too hard about it This is what I mean, the reason why they just vote and dont think too hard about it is because they are for the most part satisfied with the current status quo and the majority of americans do this, to them politics is like this big game of red vs blue based purely on entertainment. Thing is, people hate politics. They hate talking about them. They thing both the far right and far left are crazy. I don't think that means they are satisfied by the two party system, more if they don't want deal with it because their rights aren't up in the air every 4 years People do vote a third party still. But people want to vote fro someone who they think will win, like either of the two candidates. And rioters aren't all the libtards or voting third party. Really there's no correlation with either Well don't you think the two party system traps them? Like you have no choice and saying ig most leftists vote third party it'll fix it won't. While lots of people don't care for the two party system, people also think anything else sucks. Right wing people can commit violence against business owners just like left wing people do. I think it's also interesting how you point out that right wing extremist wouldn't hurt officers. Maybe because the officers are working in a right leaning direction. Hence why the left would "attack" them, not like police attacked first ever Respect law and order, lol. They do that because it benefits them, laws are catered to please the right. Only in recent years were the left able to get pro-lgbt laws. White people don't have to worry about being hated for being white, poc do thou. The right isn't protesting things that would move our society forward, they're moving society back. (fighting against abortion, rights for lgbt people, justice for poc ect.) You're acting like cities are being burnt everyday with these protests. They aren't, most protests are peaceful. And even with the peaceful protests, no one was listening. That's why people are rioting, not because they just wanna burn shit for kicks. I mean sure you can say rioting furthers the two party system but at the end of the day rioting is the means to an end. If the left didn't have to riot for justice, they wouldn't. People don't want to be violent because it will make them look bad Yeah but the thing about this guy or this guy is that is how it is. People don't know more. They think any further left politics is just crazy talk. So they vote democrat thou they want just the less crazy candidate. People just vote for the nicer person even if their policy sucks. Which is why the campaigns are always putting down the other candidate, calling them crazy and such. The two party system destroys democracy, people only have two choices. Well there yes is other options them winning is impossible for tons of fucking reasons I've said before. Voting has no choice really because of stuff like the electoral college People don't know more. They think any further left politics is just crazy talk. Ah I see the problem now,I might be getting this wrong but since your favored ideology isnt accepted by people you think rioting and forcing it on them is somehow good and moral? were the left able to get pro-lgbt laws. White people don't have to worry about being hated for being white, poc do thou. Have you heard of critical race theory? More than 70% of the population supports LGBT people in the US just because the right wing boogeyman gets power doesn't mean that the LGBT community is going to get nuked with gay marriage being repealed. That's why people are rioting, not because they just wanna burn shit for kicks. I mean sure you can say rioting furthers the two party system but at the end of the day rioting is the means to an end. This doesn't justify rioting though, there is another alternative called voting for who you like or starting your own party, Canada is pretty far left but you dont see the Canadian right burning stuff down because the centrist conservative party doesn't represent them, they started their own party called the PPC and they vote for that party instead of throwing a temper tantrum in the streets and burning everything down. Abortion doesn't move a society forward though it moves it back, it moves us back to the time where Aztecs were like sacrificing children in temples. Well there yes is other options them winning is impossible for tons of fucking reasons I've said before. Voting has no choice really because of stuff like the electoral college It seems like you just want to force left wing policy onto others lmao, you can start your own party and gain support or vote third party you aren't entitled to the privilege of having your ideology adopted by the state unless you win a presidential election. That is wrong. I know plenty of people aren't going to become leftist anytime soon. I get it, but I don't want to encourage violence. I am only understanding of why the rioters did what they did. I mean yes ofc most people do support lgbt, good but there was in the supreme court talk of getting rid gay marriage laws since it goes against their freedom of religion. (source:https://time.com/5896742/conservative-supreme-court-justices-target-gay-marriage/) Again acting like it's burning down cities every day. Most blm protest are peaceful. I don't know too much about Canada's voting system but the thing is I know America had the electoral college is the only way Republicans are still getting into office as the popular vote has dyed out. And I don't even wanna try and debate you on abortion cause that just won't work. Literally the chances of a third party winning are impossible, it's just not happening. And like I said again and again, the electoral college makes it so two parties are the only two options for most American citizens People are protesting because there is no representation for them in office. And people are dying, cops are killing people. The right is a lot of white men, this is a fact not to like insult you or something. If white men were being killed like poc were by cops the right wouldn't riot because they think any criminal deserved their death. Which is not true. People are dying more from police than these protests as again most are peaceful. Calling the biggest civil rights movements in history a riots just looks bad because one it's not true and I don't think you mean what I'm taking it as. People are dying more from police than these protests as again most are peacefu The George Floyd protests alone killed like 30 people (They have since dropped this number to 19+ and removed it from google so you actually have to read the wikipedia page instead of it popping up right away but other sources say atleast 26 have died), if you look at where the "mostly peaceful" comes from and look at the methodology used in mapping the protests you can see its total bs and a fake number, it counts someone waving a sign on a street corner as a protest and doesn't take into account the size of a protest, without fail every single protest has turned into a riot. Well I cannot see the video you put I will take on everything else you said. Are there times cops need to kill people in self defense? Yes ofc. But cops are killing innocent people like Brennona Taylor who wasn't even the person they were after, and also wasn't holding the weapon. Cops are trained to shoot people to not kill yet they are killing people. People who don't have weapons. Cops are meant to bring people into custody, not kill people since they are judges or juries. Plus cops are not being charged like they should. As lot of cops are told to not tell on each other so it creates a circle of bad behavior. The people who are getting killed don't get a trial as they are sentenced to death, but cops are getting off so easy unlike the people they killed. Actually I went to a blm protest, no riot happened just people in the streets walking. It was my whole city fucking out there plus I live close to all the protests. Sure this is my own experience so it might not mean much to you but tell me why blm protester want to be violent? People have been protesting police violence peacefully for a bit but the thing is, they got fired from their job. Plus peaceful looks better fro the movement, so it's not riots for random reasons. That is a protest, few people holding up signs is a protest It doesn't need a certain number of people to be one Police violence is so much higher, which is why you aren't seeing results for it. Since deaths from protests are so much lower than police violence Cops are trained to shoot people to not kill yet they are killing people. This is false though, cops are trained to shoot to kill because you are only supposed to draw your gun when you plan on neutralizing an immediate threat and the neutralization will probably end up killing the person so they have to take that into account. But cops are killing innocent people like Brennona Taylor I agree this is wrong but it cant be blamed 100% on the cops, no-knock warrants are a violation of property rights and police shouldn't even be allowed to do no-knocks or be ordered to do no-knocks in the first place so politicians are also to blame.But that doesn't happen, cops are pulling on unarmed people and not just a threat. Cops always feel threatened when they are often the ones with more power. Yes no knock warnings are fucked but at the end of the day they are cops working the the fucked up system. ACAB stands. They're job is to hurt people, they are still in the wrong People are unarmed thou and getting shot. I misspoke, I mean they're job hurts people. The laws hurts people as much as it protects people. people getting put in jail for weed and such do not deserve to be for like 15 years. That's why cops are bad, because the laws are bad and they are perpetuating the system |
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Nov 3, 2020 9:44 PM
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| i don't mean to generalize but the average policeman has asshole tendencies. i don't think there is a need to be obsessive about coming to the defense of police, but at the same time maybe it's ok for people to do that because otherwise you'd just get even more people not complying with them and it'd lead to even more incidents of the george floyd variety. i think the blue lives matter thing is kinda cringey but when you have incidents like in these last few years where police get shot at and killed, it pretty much enables them even more. |
 Oh maybe, maybe it's the clothes we wear The tasteless bracelets and the dye in our hair Or maybe, maybe it's our nowhere towns or our nothing places But we're trash, you and me We're the litter on the breeze We're the lovers on the streets Just trash, me and you It's in everything we do It's in everything we do |
Nov 4, 2020 8:03 AM
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SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: I agree all drugs should be legal to sell and use but which unarmed people are getting shot? can you give me an example?SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: Nah cops are supposed to protect private property, life and stability, their job isnt to harm people. Which unarmed person did cops pull their guns on though?SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: I agree police unions protect bad cops too much so they should have their power reduced or taken away completely. SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: If theres no representation in office for them thats where they can make their own political party. For the most part when someone is killed by the cops its usually because they had a weapon and were threatening the officers life, movements like blm have interfered with policing so much that police officers are now afraid to shoot someone rushing at them with a machete because of the color of their skinSargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: It doesn't matter if a third party isn't going to win, in a democratic system you aren't supposed to riot because you dont get your way you are supposed to start your own party its irrelevant whether or not you win. Like I said there is no right wing representation in canada but you dont see us burning stuff down, we have our own new political party and we build on it instead of throwing a temper tantrum in the streets.SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: Business owners are admired by the right wing so they wouldn't be attacked by right wingers, nah right wing people just respect law and order so they are way less likely to commit violence against cops or business owners or innocent bystanders even, why do you think the riot police always have their backs to trump supporters when they try to break up a conflict? its because they know that nobody on that side is going to try to harm them. No it doesn't trap them because they aren't being held at gunpoint or being forced to only vote red or blue, they choose to vote for dems so they get what they vote for, they dont get to waste their own votes and limit their choices and then throw a tantrum and burn everything down. If they dont like any of the options they have the option to start their own political party and build support with other disenfranchised voters, rioting just further enforces the two party system with "their guy vs our guy" politics.SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: This just means that they are voluntarily trapping themselves in the 2 party system so they cant just trap themselves and then turn around and play the victim. Most if not all rioters are left wing though considering all the riots have occurred at left wing protests and the riots usually result in violence against police and business owners both of which aren't things that centrists or right wingers would commit violence against.SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: Doesn't this mean they truly dont care? If they did care wouldn't they be voting third party? Even if they weren't satisfied burning down buildings isnt acceptable behavior considering there is a simple alternative right there for those who dont feel represented by republicans or democrats.RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? "Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests." Such as great model for society... "How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here?" Important rights such as Affirmative Action, oh wait, that is a Privilege. "The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter" While I am not very knowledgeable on Federal powers, they are were very limited during the riots, such as just some Federal agents, whereas the Governor needed to call for the National Guard, and the Federal Government wasn't willing to call on the military. These riots happened during a Pandemic, and the fact that the US government just let that happen, shows how weak they are. "Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden." Biden will still do more of the Leftist agenda, than Trump did for his supporters. "Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are." This is a misunderstanding of how American Democracy works, the electoral college is about State representation, and is completely fair. This is why we need protests and further riots. The very fact you can say this, shows the privilege you have, any right wing person saying that would be arrested. "but people need to listen to these protesters." No they don't. um, okay? Rights isn't privilege umm wtf Biden is more of a centrist than anything, the left agenda. You mean believing climate change is real lol But the american democracy is ruled by small states that making it not really a democracy. Why shouldn't the most popular person win? Wouldn't that be more fair? SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? This is why we need protests and further riots Lmao imagine having the privilege to not worry about your business being burned down or your employers business being burned down, also insurance companies drag out the payment process for a very very long time which usually ends up in the owner losing their livelihood for a pretty long time so "they have insurance" doesn't justify burning down someones business. Nobody else cares about change hence why the two party system still exists, why should the majority of people who like the status quo be forced to submit to rioters and protesters with unreasonable demands? I worked for a small business actually so yes it was a concern. Lots of people really hate the two party system actually. So I think it's strange you would say otherwise People being hired not based on merit, but because of their group is a Privilege. Calling Biden a centrist is just untrue, the reason why Leftists don't like him, is because he isn't as far left as them. So you are saying those backwater, provincial small states shouldn't get representation. The US is a federal country, that means the states get representation. If you think those small states are preventing your side from getting power, it just shows how unpopular your ideology is. It's not a privilege, white people given jobs way more over poc and if we don't give them jobs they'll never get out of the poverty we put them in. White people aren't losing jobs over poc. This just isn't happening Yes, I think you just proved my point about Biden lol No I'm saying that the electoral vote doesn't work for the country. Most people hated Trump. Then why did he win? So strange :/ I live in Wisconsin, I am the small states. The left has won the popular vote for the last few elections yet republicans are still in power. Something about that sits wrong with me SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: If so many people supposedly hate the two party system why do they keep playing into it? Its not hard to vote third party like the Libertarian party or whatever left wing party there is instead of the Republicans or Democrats. There is a clear alternative and people dont take it this doesn't mean protesters get to go apeshit and break everything. Imo its a vocal minority that dislikes the 2 party system and most people are just "grilling" so they could care less and the status quo works for them.RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? "Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests." Such as great model for society... "How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here?" Important rights such as Affirmative Action, oh wait, that is a Privilege. "The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter" While I am not very knowledgeable on Federal powers, they are were very limited during the riots, such as just some Federal agents, whereas the Governor needed to call for the National Guard, and the Federal Government wasn't willing to call on the military. These riots happened during a Pandemic, and the fact that the US government just let that happen, shows how weak they are. "Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden." Biden will still do more of the Leftist agenda, than Trump did for his supporters. "Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are." This is a misunderstanding of how American Democracy works, the electoral college is about State representation, and is completely fair. This is why we need protests and further riots. The very fact you can say this, shows the privilege you have, any right wing person saying that would be arrested. "but people need to listen to these protesters." No they don't. um, okay? Rights isn't privilege umm wtf Biden is more of a centrist than anything, the left agenda. You mean believing climate change is real lol But the american democracy is ruled by small states that making it not really a democracy. Why shouldn't the most popular person win? Wouldn't that be more fair? SargonTheGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: RunescapeIsGreat said: Theonewhorules said: police do nothing but bad, all of them are corrupt since the system is corrupt I've never really been a fan of them before like blm and such since my father is very anti police. Plus my house was swatted for no reason and my dad had a gun pointed at his head, made me him more scared of cops. Cops are taught that criminals should be shot and they just shouldn't, cops aren't vigilantes, they are meant to take in a criminal, not kill them even if they did a fucking terrible crime. Bloomberry said: Where's the none of the above choice? Police were made to PROTECT us. Without them, you'd be wondering daily if that day's your last. Delusional af if you think that police should be defunded, too. BLM is just as equally as violent. If a few police are gonna represent the whole police force, why can't the BLM riots (which are 95% of all riots btw) represent the group itself? Well lots of people don't feel safe around cops. Simply because they are taking their power out of control. Plus the system is corrupt so cops have no choice but to be bad as the laws are so fucked. BLM isn't a corrupt system that puts people in jail up to 15 years for smoking pot. The violence protests is just wrong Plus Police were also hurting protesters who were peaceful. Cities are not being burnt every day like you might think. Lots of protests are peaceful are still are. And when people were protesting peacefully, they got kicked off the nfl. They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen. MLK even said "A riot is the language of the unheard." "They had no choice but to riot because that's the only way they would listen." People clearly do have a choice if they want to riot, nobody is forced to riot. Also what makes you think people care what a protest group has to say. And it seems you think protest groups rioting to force the masses to accept what the protestors want is a legitimate way of political change, it isn't, it is violence and mob rule. Your post is incredibly anti-democratic. Sure people have the choice to not riot and you know where that got protester, no where. The government didn't fucking listen. Plus anyways most of the riots were again peaceful. That's why you have stopped hearing about them in the news. Well what is a democratic way to change people? Since about half and maybe a little more support blm, isn't it the will of the people then? Society doesn't revolve around protestors. That is not how the Government works, first of all the Federal gov't doesn't have control over State laws and Policing, and the elected government in the States and Federal government serve their voters. Multiple cities were significantly affected by the riots, so arguing that the riots have stopped, doesn't undo the problems caused by the protestors. Well democracy is about representing the many interests in society, so the idea that everyone people will agree with a specific idea is unlikely, however the party that gets the most supporters win elections and put their own elected officials into office, to do the policy of their voters. Sure society doesn't revolve around protests but it can be molded by protests. How do you think any minority got some kind of rights around here? Protests, voting people in is part of it yes but protests are another way to change our society The federal government did come actually to help the states combat the riots actually. The federal government has power just they don't often use it for things that matter Thing is the whole election is rigged, no left leaning person wants Biden. That's why settling for Biden is a thing. People are just voting for who they think who has a chance at winning. Plus the electoral college is also a scam, as it's the only way Republicans are still in as much power as they are. This is why we need protests and further riots. People don't want to riot most of the time, but people need to listen to these protesters. As nothing they have done, doesn't that show that the people in power aren't representing the people of this country? This is why we need protests and further riots Lmao imagine having the privilege to not worry about your business being burned down or your employers business being burned down, also insurance companies drag out the payment process for a very very long time which usually ends up in the owner losing their livelihood for a pretty long time so "they have insurance" doesn't justify burning down someones business. Nobody else cares about change hence why the two party system still exists, why should the majority of people who like the status quo be forced to submit to rioters and protesters with unreasonable demands? I worked for a small business actually so yes it was a concern. Lots of people really hate the two party system actually. So I think it's strange you would say otherwise people always want to vote for the person they think will win. I'm not saying people are like a third party. Just people want to not only really have a choice of two parties. The idea of a third party winning is crazy since most people vote and don't think too hard about it and just cause something is the status quo doesn't mean it can't hurt people just cause something is the status quo doesn't mean it can't hurt people I never suggested anything like that, im just saying people seem relatively content with the status quo outside of a vocal minority. If people want to have more choices they have to take the action to back other parties, looting and burning doesn't bring about that third or 4th option it just cements the current two options which are our guy vs their guy. The idea of a third party winning is crazy since most people vote and don't think too hard about it This is what I mean, the reason why they just vote and dont think too hard about it is because they are for the most part satisfied with the current status quo and the majority of americans do this, to them politics is like this big game of red vs blue based purely on entertainment. Thing is, people hate politics. They hate talking about them. They thing both the far right and far left are crazy. I don't think that means they are satisfied by the two party system, more if they don't want deal with it because their rights aren't up in the air every 4 years People do vote a third party still. But people want to vote fro someone who they think will win, like either of the two candidates. And rioters aren't all the libtards or voting third party. Really there's no correlation with either Well don't you think the two party system traps them? Like you have no choice and saying ig most leftists vote third party it'll fix it won't. While lots of people don't care for the two party system, people also think anything else sucks. Right wing people can commit violence against business owners just like left wing people do. I think it's also interesting how you point out that right wing extremist wouldn't hurt officers. Maybe because the officers are working in a right leaning direction. Hence why the left would "attack" them, not like police attacked first ever Respect law and order, lol. They do that because it benefits them, laws are catered to please the right. Only in recent years were the left able to get pro-lgbt laws. White people don't have to worry about being hated for being white, poc do thou. The right isn't protesting things that would move our society forward, they're moving society back. (fighting against abortion, rights for lgbt people, justice for poc ect.) You're acting like cities are being burnt everyday with these protests. They aren't, most protests are peaceful. And even with the peaceful protests, no one was listening. That's why people are rioting, not because they just wanna burn shit for kicks. I mean sure you can say rioting furthers the two party system but at the end of the day rioting is the means to an end. If the left didn't have to riot for justice, they wouldn't. People don't want to be violent because it will make them look bad Yeah but the thing about this guy or this guy is that is how it is. People don't know more. They think any further left politics is just crazy talk. So they vote democrat thou they want just the less crazy candidate. People just vote for the nicer person even if their policy sucks. Which is why the campaigns are always putting down the other candidate, calling them crazy and such. The two party system destroys democracy, people only have two choices. Well there yes is other options them winning is impossible for tons of fucking reasons I've said before. Voting has no choice really because of stuff like the electoral college People don't know more. They think any further left politics is just crazy talk. Ah I see the problem now,I might be getting this wrong but since your favored ideology isnt accepted by people you think rioting and forcing it on them is somehow good and moral? were the left able to get pro-lgbt laws. White people don't have to worry about being hated for being white, poc do thou. Have you heard of critical race theory? More than 70% of the population supports LGBT people in the US just because the right wing boogeyman gets power doesn't mean that the LGBT community is going to get nuked with gay marriage being repealed. That's why people are rioting, not because they just wanna burn shit for kicks. I mean sure you can say rioting furthers the two party system but at the end of the day rioting is the means to an end. This doesn't justify rioting though, there is another alternative called voting for who you like or starting your own party, Canada is pretty far left but you dont see the Canadian right burning stuff down because the centrist conservative party doesn't represent them, they started their own party called the PPC and they vote for that party instead of throwing a temper tantrum in the streets and burning everything down. Abortion doesn't move a society forward though it moves it back, it moves us back to the time where Aztecs were like sacrificing children in temples. Well there yes is other options them winning is impossible for tons of fucking reasons I've said before. Voting has no choice really because of stuff like the electoral college It seems like you just want to force left wing policy onto others lmao, you can start your own party and gain support or vote third party you aren't entitled to the privilege of having your ideology adopted by the state unless you win a presidential election. That is wrong. I know plenty of people aren't going to become leftist anytime soon. I get it, but I don't want to encourage violence. I am only understanding of why the rioters did what they did. I mean yes ofc most people do support lgbt, good but there was in the supreme court talk of getting rid gay marriage laws since it goes against their freedom of religion. (source:https://time.com/5896742/conservative-supreme-court-justices-target-gay-marriage/) Again acting like it's burning down cities every day. Most blm protest are peaceful. I don't know too much about Canada's voting system but the thing is I know America had the electoral college is the only way Republicans are still getting into office as the popular vote has dyed out. And I don't even wanna try and debate you on abortion cause that just won't work. Literally the chances of a third party winning are impossible, it's just not happening. And like I said again and again, the electoral college makes it so two parties are the only two options for most American citizens People are protesting because there is no representation for them in office. And people are dying, cops are killing people. The right is a lot of white men, this is a fact not to like insult you or something. If white men were being killed like poc were by cops the right wouldn't riot because they think any criminal deserved their death. Which is not true. People are dying more from police than these protests as again most are peaceful. Calling the biggest civil rights movements in history a riots just looks bad because one it's not true and I don't think you mean what I'm taking it as. People are dying more from police than these protests as again most are peacefu The George Floyd protests alone killed like 30 people (They have since dropped this number to 19+ and removed it from google so you actually have to read the wikipedia page instead of it popping up right away but other sources say atleast 26 have died), if you look at where the "mostly peaceful" comes from and look at the methodology used in mapping the protests you can see its total bs and a fake number, it counts someone waving a sign on a street corner as a protest and doesn't take into account the size of a protest, without fail every single protest has turned into a riot. Well I cannot see the video you put I will take on everything else you said. Are there times cops need to kill people in self defense? Yes ofc. But cops are killing innocent people like Brennona Taylor who wasn't even the person they were after, and also wasn't holding the weapon. Cops are trained to shoot people to not kill yet they are killing people. People who don't have weapons. Cops are meant to bring people into custody, not kill people since they are judges or juries. Plus cops are not being charged like they should. As lot of cops are told to not tell on each other so it creates a circle of bad behavior. The people who are getting killed don't get a trial as they are sentenced to death, but cops are getting off so easy unlike the people they killed. Actually I went to a blm protest, no riot happened just people in the streets walking. It was my whole city fucking out there plus I live close to all the protests. Sure this is my own experience so it might not mean much to you but tell me why blm protester want to be violent? People have been protesting police violence peacefully for a bit but the thing is, they got fired from their job. Plus peaceful looks better fro the movement, so it's not riots for random reasons. That is a protest, few people holding up signs is a protest It doesn't need a certain number of people to be one Police violence is so much higher, which is why you aren't seeing results for it. Since deaths from protests are so much lower than police violence Cops are trained to shoot people to not kill yet they are killing people. This is false though, cops are trained to shoot to kill because you are only supposed to draw your gun when you plan on neutralizing an immediate threat and the neutralization will probably end up killing the person so they have to take that into account. But cops are killing innocent people like Brennona Taylor I agree this is wrong but it cant be blamed 100% on the cops, no-knock warrants are a violation of property rights and police shouldn't even be allowed to do no-knocks or be ordered to do no-knocks in the first place so politicians are also to blame.But that doesn't happen, cops are pulling on unarmed people and not just a threat. Cops always feel threatened when they are often the ones with more power. Yes no knock warnings are fucked but at the end of the day they are cops working the the fucked up system. ACAB stands. They're job is to hurt people, they are still in the wrong People are unarmed thou and getting shot. I misspoke, I mean they're job hurts people. The laws hurts people as much as it protects people. people getting put in jail for weed and such do not deserve to be for like 15 years. That's why cops are bad, because the laws are bad and they are perpetuating the system Here's a list I found, looking up a few names I found to be accurate. But I cannot say all are true since there's a shit ton |
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