GamerDLM said: Nonsense.They were were arresting those doing the violence and or being a nuisance . The curfews were also put in place because of the looters and other scum committing those acts of violence. If they were committing violence then most likely there being a nuisance to the public like blocking roads, parks and other places that everybody not just them have a right to use. "Being a nuisance" is an extremely broad vague reason to justify arresting hundreds to thousands of people. But cool goal post shift from "no cop would ever arrest you for being a peaceful protester" to "maybe they were taking up space in a public park and being a nuisance so the arrest was justified". So what you're effectively saying is peaceful protesters who take up space are no longer peaceful protestors so should they just protest from their homes in order to be peaceful in your mind? In other words they should just not protest. [/quote] The right to protest does not give the right to commit acts or violence to to be a public nuisance. IF these "protesters" were just being peaceful, not being a nuisance then none of them would have been arrested. The cops are not arresting people for I hate pigs signs IE black lives matter signs. |
ezikialrage said: The right to protest does not give the right to commit acts or violence to to be a public nuisance. IF these "protesters" were just being peaceful, not being a nuisance then none of them would have been arrested. The cops are not arresting people for I hate pigs signs IE black lives matter signs. Then you'd have to more clearly define what constitutes "being a nuisance". Especially because you provided a particular location that makes any reference to an act extremely vague in terms of a public park. Like were they being too loud? Essentially saying if a protest has chants it's a nuisance and should be arrested or disbursed. Basically if they aren't allowed to be at a public place because it bothers people then what is the appropriate way to protest other than not protesting. Inherently all protests are a public nuisance, it's a group of people gathering to challenge a status quo. Which is obviously going to be an inconvenience to people who either want to uphold the status quo, the target of the protests, or people who disagree with the message. |
Bayek said: traed said: And what exactly did Kyle Rittenhouse do wrong? A lawful militia that defends property from rioters isn't white supremacy. Those aren't interchangeable terms.Chris Wallace: "You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland." Rittenhouse was teamed up with a militia. Chris Wallace didn't mention Proud Boys it was the thing Biden said after Trump asked for a name (is this an improv skit now? Lol) and Trump ran with it. Come now you know that's not true. Also anything too early wouldn't be relevant to the question. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/09/30/proud-boy-arrested-on-six-felony-charges-in-portland/#3f2e29d6e2f4 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/nyregion/proud-boys-antifa-sentence.html https://www.foxnews.com/us/proud-boys-seattle-chop-assault-portland-protests https://www.opb.org/news/article/vancouver-patriot-prayer-tusitala-tiny-toese-plead-guilty-assault-charges/ https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/11/18/20971345/northerly-island-stabbing-thomas-christensen-sentence-proud-boys https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/court-denies-2-appeals-in-beating-of-black-man-at-charlottesville-white-nationalist-rally/2383563/ https://vtsm.org/tools/rwe-group-database/fraternal-order-of-alt-knights/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/25/judge-ups-sentence-for-bay-area-far-right-protester-kyle-stickman-chapman/ The spin tales you dug up effectively prove how relentlessly right-wing dissidents are hunted down in Trump's America. I hope you never got the wrong idea that I was defending Trump. His presidency has been a total disaster for dissident thinkers and that's why I see this disavowal game as farcical when it's ultimately inconsequential. Yeah, he can tell you to "stand by." And the moment you push back against a ravenous mob, you'll get life behind bars while Trump continues to decry socialism. Strawman. I already clearly pointed out white supremacists and militia groups were listed as seporate (though not without overlap). He made poor judgment for one thing.... While forming a militia is legal technically it's illegal to shoot people over businesses especially when it's not their own . Trump doesn't control local law enforcement. What his administration has done is help hide white supremacist terrorism. https://theintercept.com/2020/01/20/political-surveillance-police-activists-tennessee/ https://theintercept.com/2019/06/08/white-supremacist-domestic-terrorism-fbi-justice/ and defunded groups that helped change white supremacist's minds https://theintercept.com/2017/08/17/this-group-has-successfully-converted-white-supremacists-using-compassion-trump-defunded-it/ Bayek said: Silverstorm said: Nah, I'm not watching the VICE propaganda.Like literslly the user bolded Militia groups, to which America has only one legitimate type of policing -- which is supplied through the state. The country does not support armed groups w/o legal authority to enforce laws or make distinctions on crimes. This thread is full of sympathizers with ultra-nationalists groups willing to kill fellow citizens cause they got itchy fingers and half a brain working towards a goal. Like the equivalency game is brilliant: Believe in the right to live, and usually anti-abortion but kill people cause they damage non-living things in their pursuit to preserve others lives? And its almost literally not their property they are claiming to defend, rich lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTRbiBrXhWA&ab_channel=VICENews EDIT: I'll fix the YT link later Edit: Here's something simpler & easier to digest, in case anyone's wondering why Kyle Rittenhouse not only deserves sympathy, but your total support. [ ] Nice try escaping. The person behind Proud Boys is same person behind Vice...oops. Destroyed that narrative quickly. Wouldn't hold up in court. Not only is it unlikely Rittenhouse knew of any criminal record but if he did that means it was premeditated murder which is a charge worse than what he probably would be facing. That image is fake made to look legit and contains lies that use truth to make them sound more legit . Huber had a fight with his brother over his brother wanting to get him emergency mental health help. Threatened him with a knife. That's what the domestic was. Grosskreuts wasn't convicted of any felony. He had a misdermeanor for having a gun while he was drunk. He was never charged with robbery he was a suspect in a robery investigation. Rosenbaum was convicted on consensual sex with with a teen probably between 18 and 15 I assume or the charge would have been labelled class B if under 15. On top of that it was 18 years ago. That's besides the point that it doesn't justify shooting someone especially because it wasn't known to Rittenhouse. Also Rittenhouse didn't merely commit crimes in the past he was commiting crimes in the present before he even shot anyone so it really destroys this hard on crime angle you're going for. He also may have broken a law when he lied to police Im not sure on that though. |
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