President Donald Trump Tells Hate Group Proud Boys to ‘Stand Back and Stand By’

SargonTheGreat said:
This is just blatant misinformation lmao, Proud Boys a hate group? ahahahahahaha they dont even try to make the propaganda believable anymore ahahahaha at most they can be called a chauvinist movement. He probably told them to stand by incase antifa start rioting.

ProfessionalNEET said:
"Stand Back and Stand By" sounds kind of vague. I'm not sure whether I should interpret it as a call to not engage in violence, or as a call to hold back for now, but be prepared for violence when "the time is right". I suspect it may just be a way for Trump to avoid explicitly condemning the Proud Boys, while simultaneously avoiding praising them. I do wonder though if groups like the Proud Boys will function as Trump's Brown Shirts in the future.

SargonTheGreat said:
of course splc what a joke lmao. Did Chris Wallace call Proud Boys a hate group? even if he did I could care less what Chris Wallace thinks, the guys basically a liberal in a neocons clothing lmao. Can you name any murders or riots carried out by the proud boys?

SolidusSmoke said:
Meanwhile his daughter married an orthodox jew. Trumps a Nazi tho.. right?

SolidusSmoke said:
Biden delivered a eulogy for Senator Robert Byrd a well documented decades old racist and member of the KKK.

"If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black" - Joe Biden


But uh. yeah. Let's go with the racist Trump narrative and push it hard.
Meanwhile his daughter married an orthodox jew. Trumps a Nazi tho.. right?

SargonTheGreat said:
Not really, im pretty sure someone who is anti-semetic wouldn't let a jew marry his daughter and then proceed to take political advice from said jew.

ProfessionalNEET said:

Yeah, it's kind of weird when you have marginalized groups advocate for their marginalization. Well at least we can say bigots are becoming more diverse, for whatever that's worth.

In regards to Cubans, my understanding is they came to the U.S. under much different circumstances than other Hispanic groups did. Firstly, a lot of Cuban immigrants came from wealthy families and fled from Cuba after Castro took. This wealth, combined with a distaste for communism, seems to have pushed their politics to the right. Additionally, perhaps to make Castro's Cuba look bad, my understanding is that the U.S. has been unusually generous in regards to letting in Cuban immigrants. The U.S. used to have a policy known as Wet feet, dry feet, in which any Cuban who set foot on U.S. soil would be allowed to obtain permanent residency a year later. Meanwhile, millions of Mexicans can't even get legal residence status after living in the U.S. for decades. Still, it is kind of weird for Cuban-Americans to associate with white nationalists.

ProfessionalNEET said:

Yeah, it's kind of weird when you have marginalized groups advocate for their marginalization. Well at least we can say bigots are becoming more diverse, for whatever that's worth.

SargonTheGreat said:
of course splc what a joke lmao. Did Chris Wallace call Proud Boys a hate group? even if he did I could care less what Chris Wallace thinks, the guys basically a liberal in a neocons clothing lmao. Can you name any murders or riots carried out by the proud boys?

Megatronsmurf said:

It benefits a Cuban or other race centred groups, to destabilise the US political system. in return for allowance that Cuban ( or other) interests are unaffected directly by race segregation and far right nationalist policies openly. In that way the enemy of my enemy is my friend works mutually beneficial under a “truce”. while neither party actually agrees with the other and can allow for “open racism” within the groups parameters enforcing segregation and racial purity etc as long as they stay connected on the mutual ideas and policy of race purity, political governance and nationalism etc

Which is how proud boys is Organization is set out.

deg said:
but antifa though - Trump

--ALEX-- said:
@ProfessionalNEET
BTW, Cubans are the weirdest Hispanic group of them all....these people are usually very right-wing despite the fact that the Right-Wing time after time are absolutely mercilessly against Hispanics and Immigrants.

Hillary_Clinton_ said:


Yes, but antifa, unironically.

30+ dead over the the weekly far-left antifa/BLM rioting since Summer. One targeted execution by a self-described "100% antifa."

Proud Boys are a goofy CivNat libertarian frat and the worst they do is punch the occasional antifa thug, usually in self-defense. If they're supposed to be one of those spooky "neo-fascist" "hate groups" you people clutch your pearls about, you must be desperate for bad guys.

Silverstorm said:
Take away is what the progressives have said since 2014--

I'm not sure I followed how you made the jump from NEET's post to yours. What is a "race- centered group"? would be a nice, as well as a clearer followup to your post-- cause it seems disconnected

Megatronsmurf said:


Well I guess a race centred group can be a mix of many races however they all agree on racial “purity” segregation and “open racism” within the confines of their specific group while outwardly projecting a cohesive uniformed message.

For example they would say within the confines of their “safe spaces” I don’t not like you because you’re black/white/Hispanic/Asian I just want my specific group black/white/Hispanic/Asian to not “mix” . But we can all go for a drink down the pub together. Together they form a “race centric” group like the proud boys who openly express racism when it’s safe to do so behind closed doors and are open to a race war where sides are picked by race and “purity” standards within their specific racial groups. While also being able to form larger group power to push those far right agendas.

So for example having a Cuban as the head of a group like that benefits the Cuban segregation policy and anti American ideologies while also being able to operate within the borders of America freely with the larger groups blessings to push policies that benefit them. With the caveat that they agree to the ideology of race segregation racial purity and other right wing agendas as long as they’re not affected by that group directly because of their participation in that groups overall management.

Sort of how not everyone on MAL likes each other but as an Internet body they scream on mass LET YOUR INNER WEEB FLAG FLY FREE or some garbage a thinly veiled banner of “anime” over a larger group of disenfranchised individuals who separate are just individuals with different ideologies but together make up a juggernaut of anime weebs.

Hillary_Clinton_ said:


Here's that weird paternal/condescending racism against hispanics white leftists all have. You realize not all hispanic people are illegal immigrants, right, you absolute mong? There are very good reasons a hispanic who's here legally would not want people to come into the country illegally.

Gee, why do Cubans lean right? Could it have anything to do with the fact they're from CUBA actually know what Communism looks like, and know that it should be avoided? Hmmm, mysteries.

Bob-o-Dominador said:
Moderator: President Trump, people say that you and white supremacists are too close, what you think about it?

Trump: Antifa bad.

You know that race relations are fucked when the President is too afraid to even say anything about the most overtly racist groups in America.

JFuji said:
I see the far left extremist will never wake up.

Folks if a group is using food trucks to sneak in fireworks into riots. If they use warehouses and have people crate riot gear, makeshift shields, and weapons.. They are using private servers to communicate and set up their actions... We are really sticking to this 'ideology not an organization' line..?

Just admit that you support their actions but you are too much of a coward to actually go out in the streets with them.

Hillary_Clinton_ said:


It's called 'not accepting the premise.'

If Biden isn't responsible for what Biden voters who are shooting people and setting buildings on fire are doing, why is Trump responsible for naaaahtzeeeees?

Biden can't even say "law and order," lol, he knows he'll lose antifa voters.

--ALEX-- said:

Dude I’m NOT White.

I’m Hispanic.

And I know a LOT about Cubans since...

#1 I live in Florida

#2 I interact with them all the time

#3 The girl I fuck is White Cuban

Yes, they lean Right due to the Communist thing....but that’s mostly the OLD Cubans....thankfully millennial Cubans don’t seem to have that same train of thought.

See, here’s what many of them don’t seem to understand....Trump and the GOP do not give a single fuck about Cuba. The old school Cubans have this obsession with Cuba where they keep thinking the U.S will one day “free” Cuba, that’s NEVER going to happen.

Secondly, they did NOT come to the U.S “legally” the majority came to the U.S because of the “wet feet dry land” provision that pretty much said any Cuban that made it to Florida was allowed to stay because they were treated like political dissidents.

This is BULLSHIT, the majority of them gave zero fucks about politics, like every single other IMMIGRANT they just wanted to come to America for a better life.

So a Mexican who had to come through the dessert and was caught was deported BACK because Mexico (despite being a MILLION times more dangerous than Cuba) is not a Communist haven so it’s ok to send them back...but Cubans have been the ONLY Hispanic group to be given a special exception.

Lastly, they are IGNORANT on the matter of Democracy, they automatically dislike any Democratic candidate because in their twisted little heads they believe they’re “socialist” or “communist” and they fled Cuba for that very reason.

Cuba is a real shithole and the U.S has nothing in common...Bernie is not Fidel....and Biden is not even close to Bernie!

So their justifications are retarded.

Against this...it’s mostly the old school Cubans who think like this, millennial Cubans have a better sense of this country and don’t buy into their parents bs.

Bob-o-Dominador said:


I see you will never stop falling into fake news, wake up, even the fucking FBI don't have Antifa as an Hate group

Hillary_Clinton_ said:


There was a time when the FBI refused to hire anybody who's not white, you wouldn't have questioned or criticized that either if you were alive at the time. You're an authority worshipper.

--ALEX-- said:

Dude I’m NOT White.

I’m Hispanic.

And I know a LOT about Cubans since...

#1 I live in Florida

#2 I interact with them all the time

#3 The girl I fuck is White Cuban

Yes, they lean Right due to the Communist thing....but that’s mostly the OLD Cubans....thankfully millennial Cubans don’t seem to have that same train of thought.

See, here’s what many of them don’t seem to understand....Trump and the GOP do not give a single fuck about Cuba. The old school Cubans have this obsession with Cuba where they keep thinking the U.S will one day “free” Cuba, that’s NEVER going to happen.

Secondly, they did NOT come to the U.S “legally” the majority came to the U.S because of the “wet feet dry land” provision that pretty much said any Cuban that made it to Florida was allowed to stay because they were treated like political dissidents.

This is BULLSHIT, the majority of them gave zero fucks about politics, like every single other IMMIGRANT they just wanted to come to America for a better life.

So a Mexican who had to come through the dessert and was caught was deported BACK because Mexico (despite being a MILLION times more dangerous than Cuba) is not a Communist haven so it’s ok to send them back...but Cubans have been the ONLY Hispanic group to be given a special exception.

Lastly, they are IGNORANT on the matter of Democracy, they automatically dislike any Democratic candidate because in their twisted little heads they believe they’re “socialist” or “communist” and they fled Cuba for that very reason.

Cuba is a real shithole and the U.S has nothing in common...Bernie is not Fidel....and Biden is not even close to Bernie!

So their justifications are retarded.

Against this...it’s mostly the old school Cubans who think like this, millennial Cubans have a better sense of this country and don’t buy into their parents bs.

--ALEX-- said:

Dude I’m NOT White.

I’m Hispanic.

And I know a LOT about Cubans since...

#1 I live in Florida

#2 I interact with them all the time

#3 The girl I fuck is White Cuban

Yes, they lean Right due to the Communist thing....but that’s mostly the OLD Cubans....thankfully millennial Cubans don’t seem to have that same train of thought.

See, here’s what many of them don’t seem to understand....Trump and the GOP do not give a single fuck about Cuba. The old school Cubans have this obsession with Cuba where they keep thinking the U.S will one day “free” Cuba, that’s NEVER going to happen.

Secondly, they did NOT come to the U.S “legally” the majority came to the U.S because of the “wet feet dry land” provision that pretty much said any Cuban that made it to Florida was allowed to stay because they were treated like political dissidents.

This is BULLSHIT, the majority of them gave zero fucks about politics, like every single other IMMIGRANT they just wanted to come to America for a better life.

So a Mexican who had to come through the dessert and was caught was deported BACK because Mexico (despite being a MILLION times more dangerous than Cuba) is not a Communist haven so it’s ok to send them back...but Cubans have been the ONLY Hispanic group to be given a special exception.

Lastly, they are IGNORANT on the matter of Democracy, they automatically dislike any Democratic candidate because in their twisted little heads they believe they’re “socialist” or “communist” and they fled Cuba for that very reason.

Cuba is a real shithole and the U.S has nothing in common...Bernie is not Fidel....and Biden is not even close to Bernie!

So their justifications are retarded.

Against this...it’s mostly the old school Cubans who think like this, millennial Cubans have a better sense of this country and don’t buy into their parents bs.

--ALEX-- said:

Dude I’m NOT White.

I’m Hispanic.

And I know a LOT about Cubans since...

#1 I live in Florida

#2 I interact with them all the time

#3 The girl I fuck is White Cuban

Yes, they lean Right due to the Communist thing....but that’s mostly the OLD Cubans....thankfully millennial Cubans don’t seem to have that same train of thought.

See, here’s what many of them don’t seem to understand....Trump and the GOP do not give a single fuck about Cuba. The old school Cubans have this obsession with Cuba where they keep thinking the U.S will one day “free” Cuba, that’s NEVER going to happen.

Secondly, they did NOT come to the U.S “legally” the majority came to the U.S because of the “wet feet dry land” provision that pretty much said any Cuban that made it to Florida was allowed to stay because they were treated like political dissidents.

This is BULLSHIT, the majority of them gave zero fucks about politics, like every single other IMMIGRANT they just wanted to come to America for a better life.

So a Mexican who had to come through the dessert and was caught was deported BACK because Mexico (despite being a MILLION times more dangerous than Cuba) is not a Communist haven so it’s ok to send them back...but Cubans have been the ONLY Hispanic group to be given a special exception.

Lastly, they are IGNORANT on the matter of Democracy, they automatically dislike any Democratic candidate because in their twisted little heads they believe they’re “socialist” or “communist” and they fled Cuba for that very reason.

Cuba is a real shithole and the U.S has nothing in common...Bernie is not Fidel....and Biden is not even close to Bernie!

So their justifications are retarded.

Against this...it’s mostly the old school Cubans who think like this, millennial Cubans have a better sense of this country and don’t buy into their parents bs.

ProfessionalNEET said:
I'm gonna drop this video in here for people who would like to learn more about antifa and why they do what they do. It's an hour long, but you can watch it in small bits or wait until you have enough time to watch it in one go.

Bob-o-Dominador said:


I see you will never stop falling into fake news, wake up, even the fucking FBI don't have Antifa as an Hate group -Because it is an ideology- while the Proud Boys are but Trump won't even denounce the proud boys. mean while Biden will say directly to the camera that he don't even agree with defound the police and that cops aren't bad, who do you think is the candidate of the extreme?

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/09/donald-trump/biden-campaign-says-he-doesnt-want-defund-police/

Here is the politc violence from bouth side, as it was made before the riots I think that maybe they could got one or two deaths as coming from lefties but it don't fucking matter compared to 329

right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

JFuji said:


Ah yes. So all those images taken of the weapons confiscated in the truck was all a set up? The Seattle Police department is fake news now..? All those homemade spike strips, machetes, and other weapons didn't exist..? All of the violence and destruction is either fake or done by right wingers..? I'm going to guess that someone this clueless either doesn't live in America or watches a certain news network exclusively.. As I said, just another coward that will just stoke the flames from afar but would never get out and do anything. Much like many of the leftist on this website.


Ok man, if it makes you sleep better at night calling Antifa an 'idea'. By all means. They just happen to show up to threaten or torch small businesses at the same time. They just happen to be well organized and have all the supplies they need well stocked and ready to go. It's just a massive coincidence that just keeps on happening all across the country.

Hillary_Clinton_ said:
Anyway. Both sides of the spectrum are reluctant to condemn violence on their own end, because they see their own side's violence as a deterrent against the other side, and don't feel threatened by the violent goons on their own side. Lemmings seek security before anything else, and a violent mob who agrees with you is security.

JFuji said:


Ah yes. So all those images taken of the weapons confiscated in the truck was all a set up? The Seattle Police department is fake news now..?

SargonTheGreat said:
An organization can exist without a structure like anonymous the hacker group for example, for political organizations that commit violence being a decentralized organization with no clear structure is a benefit,

SargonTheGreat said:
why do you think antifa runs like a holacracy? its because that is the most effective style of organization that minimizes risks of the organization getting caught by feds and gives the ability to brush off concerns about their organized activity and lets antifa call themselves an ideology. Since every and anyone can call themselves antifa this lets antifa cells dismiss concerns about them orchestrating violence since they can just say they arent an organization and that the violent event was a coincidence.