| Shounen is a demographic. It is literally just an indicator of the target demographic of the publication the manga was in. It has no tropes or structure inherently tied to it. No, it's not a genre. If we want to make battle shounen specifically a genre, then I will only accept it being referred to as "Mahou Shounen" to make it sound as emasculating as possible while still being descriptive. |
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| It's a demographic, a bad demographic but that doesn't make it a genre. |
Roevhaal said: It's a demographic, a bad demographic but that doesn't make it a genre. A "bad" demographic? What is that supposed to mean? Boys are bad? |
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Roevhaal said: It's a demographic, a bad demographic but that doesn't make it a genre. What's so bad about an entire demographic? There are plenty of good shounen anime both inside and outside the battle shounen genre. |
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Campillo said: And DomeKano is about a love triangle between a guy and his two step sisters, it has no similarities to any BATTLE shounen Kakegurui, well Kakegurui has some similarities, Bokuben and Nisekoi are harem anime, what fucking similarities do Your lie in April, Koe no Katachi, Beck, Aria and Death Note have to Naruto, AssClass and My hero academiaKobayasan said: Ah yes who could forget the sense of adventure and the plot structure of Domexkano and Kakegurui, just like grandpa Tezuka used to make them Bro, not every fucking western movie is the same and it's a genre. Saying that there are shounen that are very different from each other is not enough to obviate that almost 75% of them share a lot of traits. Assassination Classroom is about a fucking class and it's still similar to BnHA. |
Kobayasan said: Oregairu is from Gagaga Bunko, a ''shounen'' LN publisher, however the content of said publisher tends to get manga adaptions in seinen magazines just as often as shounen magazines, examples of titles from said publisher:epidemia78 said: Oregairu isn't and has never been under the shounen tag, where did you get that idea?Mal should add "battle shonen" as a genre so shows like Oregairu aren't lumped in together with friggin Naruto. GJ-bu (no manga but clearly shounen imo) Imouto sae Ireba Ii. (seinen manga) Jintai (seinen manga) Kami Nomi zo Shiru Sekai (shounen manga) Ore, Twintail ni Narimasu. (seinen manga) Sasami-san@Ganbaranai (shounen manga but it doesn't make sense) Shimoneta (shounen manga) OreGairu (seinen manga) Black Lagoon (adaption from seinen manga, guess it's a shounen now) epidemia78 said: They are but I obviously mean that anime clearly targeted at boys tend to be badRoevhaal said: A "bad" demographic? What is that supposed to mean? Boys are bad? It's a demographic, a bad demographic but that doesn't make it a genre. holysauron said: No, there's not plenty of good shounen, you'll find the occasional good fringe series that you have no idea how it ended up in a shounen magazine. There's also a few decent series that are clearly shounen at heart but those are very rare and only reach moderate levels of good to begin with.Roevhaal said: It's a demographic, a bad demographic but that doesn't make it a genre. What's so bad about an entire demographic? There are plenty of good shounen anime both inside and outside the battle shounen genre. |
| If series like Aria and Nisekoi hadn't been published in shounen magazines nobody would ever speak of them as shounen anime... |
holysauron said: Roevhaal said: It's a demographic, a bad demographic but that doesn't make it a genre. What's so bad about an entire demographic? There are plenty of good shounen anime both inside and outside the battle shounen genre. Every male between 5 and 18 is bad, of course. On a serious note, it's probably not worth it to try and go into a discussion with folks like this fam don't bother |
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| Shounen is as much of a genre as comedy is, its more of a tag you can slap on a show whenever it has some stuff in it that fit the formula, the same way you could slap a comedy tag on something that has jokes in it sometimes You could take 2 shounen animes and realise they barely have anything in common. One piece, kimetsu no yaiba, promised neverland, death note, your lie in April and nisekoi all have the shounen tag, there are a ton of series you could just slap a shounen tag on and nobody would say anything You could say shounen tagged animes are just made with the intent of selling to the shounen demographic Same goes for seinen btw, berserk, erased, kaguya sama, Vinland Saga and ghost in the shell don't have much in common |
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Roevhaal said: Imagine calling a demographic bad. That statement goes way beyond just liking/disliking some shows. Are you sure that's the perfect way you could have worded what you're trying to say?It's a demographic, a bad demographic but that doesn't make it a genre. |
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Attackonfiller said: Roevhaal said: Imagine calling a demographic bad. That statement goes way beyond just liking/disliking some shows. Are you sure that's the perfect way you could have worded what you're trying to say?It's a demographic, a bad demographic but that doesn't make it a genre. My mean score for series tagged with each demographic: Shoujo: 4.74 Josei: 4.33 Seinen: 4.28 Shounen: 3.10 The structure of shounen and how it uses story telling to appeal to it's demographic is straight up awful >90% of the time. The genre doesn't matter much either, be it battle shounen like Fire Force, harems like Bokuben, drama like Araburu, rom-coms like Takagi-san or CGDCT like Hitoribocchi. Sure there are some freak cases (I even have a few shounen series on my favourites list) but that doesn't save the demographic from being crap as a whole. |
Roevhaal said: Attackonfiller said: Imagine calling a demographic bad. That statement goes way beyond just liking/disliking some shows. Are you sure that's the perfect way you could have worded what you're trying to say? My mean score for series tagged with each demographic: Shoujo: 4.74 Josei: 4.33 Seinen: 4.28 Shounen: 3.10 The structure of shounen and how it uses story telling to appeal to it's demographic is straight up awful >90% of the time. The genre doesn't matter much either, be it battle shounen like Fire Force, harems like Bokuben, drama like Araburu, rom-coms like Takagi-san or CGDCT like Hitoribocchi. Sure there are some freak cases (I even have a few shounen series on my favourites list) but that doesn't save the demographic from being crap as a whole. Ah, ok. I understand you. When you literally called the demographic bad it just sounded like there were some other issues you had outside of the shows mainly targeted at them lol |
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Roevhaal said: Kobayasan said: Oregairu is from Gagaga Bunko, a ''shounen'' LN publisher, however the content of said publisher tends to get manga adaptions in seinen magazines just as often as shounen magazines, examples of titles from said publisher:Oregairu isn't and has never been under the shounen tag, where did you get that idea? GJ-bu (no manga but clearly shounen imo) Imouto sae Ireba Ii. (seinen manga) Jintai (seinen manga) Kami Nomi zo Shiru Sekai (shounen manga) Ore, Twintail ni Narimasu. (seinen manga) Sasami-san@Ganbaranai (shounen manga but it doesn't make sense) Shimoneta (shounen manga) OreGairu (seinen manga) Black Lagoon (adaption from seinen manga, guess it's a shounen now) epidemia78 said: They are but I obviously mean that anime clearly targeted at boys tend to be badA "bad" demographic? What is that supposed to mean? Boys are bad? holysauron said: No, there's not plenty of good shounen, you'll find the occasional good fringe series that you have no idea how it ended up in a shounen magazine. There's also a few decent series that are clearly shounen at heart but those are very rare and only reach moderate levels of good to begin with.What's so bad about an entire demographic? There are plenty of good shounen anime both inside and outside the battle shounen genre. Or there are plenty of good shounen out there but they might just not be your thing? |
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| Shonen, Shoujo, Seinen, Josei is demographic.. But, i am not really that sure about Yaoi, and Yuri |
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shiroha said: Homoeroticsm is a specific subject matter, so yaoi and yuri should count as genres.Shonen, Shoujo, Seinen, Josei is demographic.. But, i am not really that sure about Yaoi, and Yuri |
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Halfdan1 said: epidemia78 said: Mal should add "battle shonen" as a genre so shows like Oregairu aren't lumped in together with friggin Naruto. They are both targeted at little boys so I don't see why that should happen, Oregairu is a garbage harem. It's not a fucking harem you retard. If you don't like entertainment aimed towards teenage boys then what the fuck are you even doing watching anime in the first place? |
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| Fighting-shonen is a genre like Mahou-shoujo is a genre. Shonen and shoujo aren't genres though. |
Halfdan1 said: epidemia78 said: It's not a fucking harem you retard. If you don't like entertainment aimed towards teenage boys then what the fuck are you even doing watching anime in the first place? Sure it isn't, I must have just imagined Yukino, Yui and Iroha existing then. I have nothing against shounen. I just thought it was funny you were looking down on Naruto for being childish despite it having the same demographic as Oregairu. Also your last sentence makes no sense, not every anime is aimed at teenagers. It's not a harem. It's a highschool romcom with a love triangle. Might as well call Toradora a harem as well since there's more than one girl interested in Ryuji. I said Naruto has nothing in common with Oregairu. If you think that's me being condescending towards Naruto I don't know what to tell you. No, not all anime is aimed at teen boys but the vast majority of it is. Why do I have to explain the obvious? |
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