| Things are the way they are now because of the change in direction(both from the show's director and the animation director) and Production I.G actual inability to keep the amounts of details needed before (hence design changes). Both things came together against the series, so you will neither get the cleanness from before, neither will get the amount of Sakuga. That said, while things will not look as good as they were, they will still look good enough when it matters(games, and important moments). |
| Animation is good as ever. Plus it didn't have much opportunities to shine since we haven't had a game yet. Just character designs changed because Chief Animation Director had changed. |
| I just got finished binging the entire series to catch up and I. Can’t say I’ve noticed anything really different except for the fact them at we aren’t in the middle of a hype match rn idk what y’all are on about |
| HA! Be thankful we can still get a quality of animation this good in this day and age of anime. Like, outside of Unlimited budget works Ufotable and Wit Studios when they bring their A game you can't expect much anymore. |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| It's tru8e the animation changed and in the last episode, the 4th, it was quite noticeable. I think we've just been spoiled by great moments of animation in the previous season. Storywise though, it's great as ever and that's what matter in the end. |
| miss the old anime art style, especially for how Hinata was drawn. His hair looked fluffier before?? if they wanted to make it look more like the manga why didn't they do that from the beginning. also wtf is this lol he looks cheaply drawn from afar  |
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sunsetocean said: if they wanted to make it look more like the manga why didn't they do that from the beginning. also wtf is this lol he looks cheaply drawn from afar Manga artstyles change. At the beginning the manga looked like S1 but around the Shiratorizawa match it started changing. The anime's just changing to fit the manga's change. The first pic is a little off-model but every show has those, it's not a big deal. He looks perfectly fine in the 2nd picture. It's a long shot and not a key animation AND he's in motion. Of course he isn't gonna be very detailed?? |
| I bet this season won't have THAT many important moments so I don't mind if the animation isn't as clean. The only thing that I don't like is the new designs; not sure if the studio messed up the manga design or if it's just that weird-looking, it looks downgraded imo. |
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Tsukizono said: Well, of course we aren't used to it: it's been around 60 episodes of one design, only to discard it. SaiDrew said: I bet this season won't have THAT many important moments so I don't mind if the animation isn't as clean. The only thing that I don't like is the new designs; not sure if the studio messed up the manga design or if it's just that weird-looking, it looks downgraded imo. Nah, it looks exactly like the manga actually. Most manga readers love it, i think you anime onlys are just not used to the manga artstyle LOL. Here are some examples: Akaashi - https://twitter.com/dorkuto/status/1196370290223267846 Hinata's "I want to beat you" to Hyakuzawa - https://twitter.com/mariaflora1208/status/1224694153012842496 Hinata's nosebleed - https://twitter.com/lovingkenhina/status/1220817137083785216 I guess this sucks for me. |
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I read the manga and I don't like the designs either. The anime designs have always been superior, not to mention it's terrible to change them after so many seasons. Kageyama and Asahi look like completely different people. Suga lost his definitive look and now look like another generic boy. |
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| I'm quite surprised that they decided to drop quality of animation. I thought Haikyuu was great success, so it could expect even higher budget and instead got lower. Any reasons? Now character design leans into more like 'cute' theme, instead of cool. They say they want to match manga style, but what about moments where they focus on one character and it supposed to be better drawn (not sure how its called). In previous seasons there were plenty of moments that there were scenes so well drawn you could say its promotion art or fanart, like Nishinoya receiving moments or Kageyama's focus moments and in this season? I cant really see them at all (or they dont looks as cool as before bc of character design?). All things I fell in love in anime Haikyuu (thats why i preferred anime than manga, even when I started as manga reader) are just not there anymore. Maybe when serious matches will come they will try more, but now I cant feel passion like when after cool service or receiving you just wanted to go and play volleyball as well. Now its a bit like it was in Naruto, when there were episodes with different directors and animators and watchers just needed to dont mind it until something cool in plot will happen and they will hire better ones. Sadly this wont happen with Haikyuu. Anyone knows Japanese response about quality drop? |
Shiro-cat said: I'm quite surprised that they decided to drop quality of animation. I thought Haikyuu was great success, so it could expect even higher budget and instead got lower. Any reasons? Now character design leans into more like 'cute' theme, instead of cool. They say they want to match manga style, but what about moments where they focus on one character and it supposed to be better drawn (not sure how its called). In previous seasons there were plenty of moments that there were scenes so well drawn you could say its promotion art or fanart, like Nishinoya receiving moments or Kageyama's focus moments and in this season? I cant really see them at all (or they dont looks as cool as before bc of character design?). All things I fell in love in anime Haikyuu (thats why i preferred anime than manga, even when I started as manga reader) are just not there anymore. Maybe when serious matches will come they will try more, but now I cant feel passion like when after cool service or receiving you just wanted to go and play volleyball as well. Now its a bit like it was in Naruto, when there were episodes with different directors and animators and watchers just needed to dont mind it until something cool in plot will happen and they will hire better ones. Sadly this wont happen with Haikyuu. Anyone knows Japanese response about quality drop? First of all, the budget is not so important in anime production as the same budget is distributed to all series. I don't think there is a difference on this point. The new season has mainly a new staff. Mainly made up of people who have worked on Haikyuu (and other ProdIG series like Kaze ga Tsuyoku). There are also some key animators like Mukouda (I think). The artstyle has been redesigned by Kishida so that the chara designs are more like manga. (Admit that the chara design has changed a lot in the manga) My personal opinion: I think this is not the best part of Haikyuu, an arc containing many, many trainings. (Possibly the worst in the manga) So the spectators are a bit biased compared to the intense matches of the previous two seasons. (+/- nostalgia) Regarding the visuals, some people point out that the animation does not show when the hand hits the ball or that the timing is not always very well managed. Overall, I don't really see a glaring difference between the previous seasons and the current season. But I must admit that the most important point (for me) is pacing and I recognize it's not systematically well executed. Particularly the second part of episode 3. (and a bit for episode 4) Generally speaking, I also think this season is trying to be too much like the support. Imo, an adaptation is not that. But also bring some variations or improvements to give an interest to this so-called adaptation. Not just get the "color version manga with animation". |
TuyNOMFeb 21, 2020 2:05 PM
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| Tsukizono, we get it, man, you like Haikyuu but nothing can change the fact that the production quality of the show in this season took a dunk. The animation is virtually nonexistent, there's more time showing still frames than motion. Even during some dialogue only scenes they don't even show the speaking person face, they show the back of people or even the freaking floor. And the characters may have been changed to resemble the designs from the manga, but that doesn't justify them looking way worse than they originally did. The new ones are way uglier than the old ones and that's a fact. Kageyama's eyes seem like they will pop out of his head any minute. And it obviously originated from the manga, but the storyline in this season is a disaster. I'm fine with training arcs but the execution here is plain terrible. 7 episodes in and only 2 signifcant moments have ocurred. This season is a waste of time. |
| well we haven't really gotten much PROPER games like the last couple of seasons. i haven't even noticed the lack, but the scenes where it's MEANT to have good animation..... does have good animation. the only thing that's changed is the art style but honestly i've barely noticed that. |
TuyNOM said: First of all, the budget is not so important in anime production as the same budget is distributed to all series. I don't think there is a difference on this point. Not sure what you mean here, so every anime in this season have the same budget or every season of haikyuu had it? Tsukizono said: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/113140 - sure, just ignore these amazing moments of animation. It's not like S1-3 didn't have any still frames??? They're used effectively definitely. I can count wayy more than 2 significant moments. Kageyama's "I'll be going ahead", Washijo and Hinata talking, Hinata under the mats, Split step moment, Hinata asking Ushijima for advice, Hoshiumi's spike, Goody two shoes, Hinata and Hyakuzawa's moment, Kindaichi and Hinata talk about what happened in middle school, Washijo's hunger speech, "You can fly higher", Return of the king of the court There are pretty much no wasted scenes in the series, everything that's happened will be relevant in the future. Even seemingly irrelevant scenes like randomly showing kinoshita serving. You know that its sport anime, not slice of life? I get these are important scenes, but still if we get one sentence that its super important per episode it doesnt make it super interesting, so I get people that can find this season the dullest one. As for that scene of king of the court you linked, I dont think its that amazing in animation comparing to super important scenes in previous seasons. I get that various people have various opinions, but no one was really complaining for previous seasons and now i heard plenty of people of doing that, but yeah thats just matter of taste right? (same like one punch man, people just didnt like change of character design right??? ) Maybe I sound as that old guy from audience who was complaining too much for karasuno, bc I rewatched 2 seasons recently, but then it made me feel more excited for watching the same scenes than watching new. Thats kind of sad. So detailed animation huh. (somehow i cant post gifs here?? )  LINK And this is from previous seasons: (second i think?)  LINK |
Shiro-catFeb 22, 2020 7:04 AM
| Okay for some reason I was really on board with the "this season looks bad" train, but I rewatched the whole thing while having my sakuga radar at maximum sensivity, and my conclusion is that it still moves really really well, animation-wise it's actually not that far from what it used to be, but the charaters are off model way more often and the design change is pretty damn distracting until you get used to it. Also, It's way closer to the manga, meaning that some scenes might have a disturbing "panel by panel" feeling. Now that I can say I'm fine with the look, the story can fully shine, and boy I think what happened in the last ep was one of the best character moment in the whole series. The whole season has been just as well written as the others, it's simply way more subtle in it's presentation. |
Shiro-cat said: TuyNOM said: First of all, the budget is not so important in anime production as the same budget is distributed to all series. I don't think there is a difference on this point. Not sure what you mean here, so every anime in this season have the same budget or every season of haikyuu had it? Tsukizono said: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/113140 - sure, just ignore these amazing moments of animation. It's not like S1-3 didn't have any still frames??? They're used effectively definitely. I can count wayy more than 2 significant moments. Kageyama's "I'll be going ahead", Washijo and Hinata talking, Hinata under the mats, Split step moment, Hinata asking Ushijima for advice, Hoshiumi's spike, Goody two shoes, Hinata and Hyakuzawa's moment, Kindaichi and Hinata talk about what happened in middle school, Washijo's hunger speech, "You can fly higher", Return of the king of the court There are pretty much no wasted scenes in the series, everything that's happened will be relevant in the future. Even seemingly irrelevant scenes like randomly showing kinoshita serving. You know that its sport anime, not slice of life? I get these are important scenes, but still if we get one sentence that its super important per episode it doesnt make it super interesting, so I get people that can find this season the dullest one. As for that scene of king of the court you linked, I dont think its that amazing in animation comparing to super important scenes in previous seasons. I get that various people have various opinions, but no one was really complaining for previous seasons and now i heard plenty of people of doing that, but yeah thats just matter of taste right? (same like one punch man, people just didnt like change of character design right??? ) Maybe I sound as that old guy from audience who was complaining too much for karasuno, bc I rewatched 2 seasons recently, but then it made me feel more excited for watching the same scenes than watching new. Thats kind of sad. So detailed animation huh. (somehow i cant post gifs here?? ) LINK And this is from previous seasons: (second i think?) LINK Exactly my thoughts. People nowadays are way too much conciliatory when it comes to animation in anime. If we don't let the creators know that we are not pleased with it, it will only get worse and worse in the future. It's the same reason why most of the anime that are being produced right now are generic pieces of shit with below-average animation, etc. It's clear that the previous seasons had the superior animation/pacing and further denying it only because "we should be glad that they even made the next season" mindset is beyond stupid. Let's not forget that it's sports anime and if the ball play looks like it's lacking speed and impact that's just really bad. And as I agree that off-courts moments are just as much important as the on-court ones, I just can't agree that they are the most important ones. I was never bored watching Haikyuu, but S4 episodes make me sleepy af. It's just boring! But it's not because of the content, it's because of the way these episodes are made. It just feels like every episode has a depression. Just compare any training match from the previous season, with any training match from this seasons, it's clearly lacking something. |
| Some of the takes in this thread are disgusting. "We have to let the creators know we aren't pleased with it or it will get worse"? Give me a break. The production values on this are still very high, higher than 90% of all other anime, DESPITE being a sports anime, which typically need many many more shots than the average anime, and features a ton of character movement. (IMO it looks great) You are simply placing the bar too high, comparing every single shot to previous seasons will only lessen your enjoyment and makes you sound entitled. |
| I don't want to pour hate on the animators or pretty much anyone, but I reeeally don't like the new style. It looks a lot worse than before. Even if it didn't look that bad I still wouldn't be the biggest fan of it since I'm already used to seeing the old design and changing it now, in fourth season, is probably not the best idea. Some people say they enjoy it because it's more similar to the manga, but I'm gonna be honest - the only reason I'm not a manga reader is because I find the art style hideous XD Anyway, Haikyuu is one of my all-time favorites and I'll still love the series no matter what it looks like. I'll just have to bear with the new style a little, until I get used to it. |
GameDSS said: Nice summary for my emotions for this season. Change in stuff members, espacially the DIRECTORS are always been "bad" (Trying different styles (art and animation) after 60 Episodes is kinda non sense.Shiro-cat said: Not sure what you mean here, so every anime in this season have the same budget or every season of haikyuu had it? You know that its sport anime, not slice of life? I get these are important scenes, but still if we get one sentence that its super important per episode it doesnt make it super interesting, so I get people that can find this season the dullest one. As for that scene of king of the court you linked, I dont think its that amazing in animation comparing to super important scenes in previous seasons. I get that various people have various opinions, but no one was really complaining for previous seasons and now i heard plenty of people of doing that, but yeah thats just matter of taste right? (same like one punch man, people just didnt like change of character design right??? ) Maybe I sound as that old guy from audience who was complaining too much for karasuno, bc I rewatched 2 seasons recently, but then it made me feel more excited for watching the same scenes than watching new. Thats kind of sad. So detailed animation huh. (somehow i cant post gifs here?? ) LINK And this is from previous seasons: (second i think?) LINK Exactly my thoughts. People nowadays are way too much conciliatory when it comes to animation in anime. If we don't let the creators know that we are not pleased with it, it will only get worse and worse in the future. It's the same reason why most of the anime that are being produced right now are generic pieces of shit with below-average animation, etc. It's clear that the previous seasons had the superior animation/pacing and further denying it only because "we should be glad that they even made the next season" mindset is beyond stupid. Let's not forget that it's sports anime and if the ball play looks like it's lacking speed and impact that's just really bad. And as I agree that off-courts moments are just as much important as the on-court ones, I just can't agree that they are the most important ones. I was never bored watching Haikyuu, but S4 episodes make me sleepy af. It's just boring! But it's not because of the content, it's because of the way these episodes are made. It just feels like every episode has a depression. Just compare any training match from the previous season, with any training match from this seasons, it's clearly lacking something. |
Shinuki_n_Reborn said: LauraBirdie said: Some of the takes in this thread are disgusting. "We have to let the creators know we aren't pleased with it or it will get worse"? Give me a break. The production values on this are still very high, higher than 90% of all other anime, DESPITE being a sports anime, which typically need many many more shots than the average anime, and features a ton of character movement. (IMO it looks great) You are simply placing the bar too high, comparing every single shot to previous seasons will only lessen your enjoyment and makes you sound entitled. It's simply the current and sad state of this forum's site, a bunch of ignorant takes without knowing anything behind it, complaining about the art when is literally the same from the manga, complaining about "lack of animation" when it's perfectly well animated and superior than 95% or even more of the season. Reason for that? it's the new trend to act like a "animation production" expert. Not even Haikyuu is able to escape the level of toxicity in this site lately "Complaining about the art when is literally the same from the manga". Well...yes ? I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who don't like how Furudate draws his characters and that prefer previous seasons' artstyle. |
| guess the show really is shit if people care so much about animation change |
| Imagine calling the last episode bad from a visual standpoint, and worse from the rest while it was actually the best looking episode this season.....maybe stop watching completely because your demands for the animation are kinda unreasonable. Season 3 was and probably will be an exception, do not expect something like that for a "simple" match. |
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