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Aug 4, 2019 8:13 AM
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https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/80195357

It’s a anime from A Japanese studio. Put it on MAL.
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Aug 4, 2019 10:28 AM
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Oh wow, that looks cool.
It is an American series, but RWBY's manga was added here for the fact that it was partially Japanese.
They do have Japanese seiyuus, so hopefully, it will be added? It all depends though because technically anything with a Japanese dub can be on MAL at that point.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satelight - Satelight is Japanese... so technically yes, it should be here.
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Satelight is a Japanese studio, yes, but that's a common misconception among some users. Unfortunately for them database guidelines clearly state that productions where only the animation is outsourced are not allowed.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101
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Leknaat said:
Satelight is a Japanese studio, yes, but that's a common misconception among some users. Unfortunately for them database guidelines clearly state that productions where only the animation is outsourced are not allowed.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101


The original creator LeSean Thomas went to Japan to get this made. I don’t think it’s American produced at all or outsourced it should be here on MAL.
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Aug 4, 2019 11:55 AM
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Bunille said:
Oh wow, that looks cool.

They do have Japanese seiyuus, so hopefully, it will be added? It all depends though because technically anything with a Japanese dub can be on MAL at that point.
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Yes. On Netflix is says it’s starring:Yoshitsugu Matsuoka, Hinaki Yano, Shiori Izawa

Seiyuus. So anime
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Aug 5, 2019 7:58 AM
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Old_School_Akira said:
Bunille said:
Oh wow, that looks cool.

They do have Japanese seiyuus, so hopefully, it will be added? It all depends though because technically anything with a Japanese dub can be on MAL at that point.
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Yes. On Netflix is says it’s starring:Yoshitsugu Matsuoka, Hinaki Yano, Shiori Izawa

Seiyuus. So anime


According to that logic, the japanese Dub of 'Avengers: Endgame' is also anime, because seiyuus are involved.

That's some of the stupidest ass arguments I've ever heard.
I probably regret this post by now.
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Leknaat said:
Satelight is a Japanese studio, yes, but that's a common misconception among some users. Unfortunately for them database guidelines clearly state that productions where only the animation is outsourced are not allowed.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101


Wouldn't the Porter Robinson music video Shelter not be allowed on Mal by those rules?
It's currently got a page
Aug 5, 2019 12:24 PM
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Pullman said:
Old_School_Akira said:


Yes. On Netflix is says it’s starring:Yoshitsugu Matsuoka, Hinaki Yano, Shiori Izawa

Seiyuus. So anime


According to that logic, the japanese Dub of 'Avengers: Endgame' is also anime, because seiyuus are involved.

That's some of the stupidest ass arguments I've ever heard.


It wasn’t a argument. I was just answering Bunille’s question 🙄

Anidb and Anime planet added Cannon Busters as “Anime” so why can’t MAL?

https://anidb.net/anime/13348

https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/cannon-busters-2019

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Aug 5, 2019 3:37 PM
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TwinBee20 said:
Leknaat said:
Satelight is a Japanese studio, yes, but that's a common misconception among some users. Unfortunately for them database guidelines clearly state that productions where only the animation is outsourced are not allowed.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101


Wouldn't the Porter Robinson music video Shelter not be allowed on Mal by those rules?
It's currently got a page


The director, character designer, editor, and producers were Japanese too. So it's not an outsourced production.

Old_School_Akira said:


Anidb and Anime planet added Cannon Busters as “Anime” so why can’t MAL?

https://anidb.net/anime/13348

https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/cannon-busters-2019



AniDB and Anime-Planet are different websites with different rules.
AniDB has stuff animated in Indonesia http://anidb.net/anime/9201
MAL doesn't allow Indonesian animation.

Anime-Planet has shows animated entirely by Americans in America.
https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/castlevania
MAL doesn't allow American animation.

In 10 days when Cannon Busters comes out, look at the credits of it and post screenshots. MAL will accept it if it meets the database guidelines. But as of this moment, from the press releases available, Cannon Busters does not meet MAL's database definition of anime.

On the flipside, a show such as https://myanimelist.net/anime/16774/Inferno_Cop does meet MAL's definition yet this show does not meet AniDB's definition.
Aug 7, 2019 8:40 PM

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"1. The following entries are allowed in the anime database:
Professionally produced, animated works created:
in Japan for the Japanese market;"

This was created in Japan for the Japanese as well as a global market, so it should be here.
Outsourced would mean being created in Japan but not be accessible to the Japanese. This wasn't created for the American. Canon Busters is getting a worldwide release that includes Japan.
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lanblade said:
Old_School_Akira said:


Anidb and Anime planet added Cannon Busters as “Anime” so why can’t MAL?

https://anidb.net/anime/13348

https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/cannon-busters-2019



AniDB and Anime-Planet are different websites with different rules.
AniDB has stuff animated in Indonesia http://anidb.net/anime/9201
MAL doesn't allow Indonesian animation.

Anime-Planet has shows animated entirely by Americans in America.
https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/castlevania
MAL doesn't allow American animation.

In 10 days when Cannon Busters comes out, look at the credits of it and post screenshots. MAL will accept it if it meets the database guidelines. But as of this moment, from the press releases available, Cannon Busters does not meet MAL's database definition of anime.

On the flipside, a show such as https://myanimelist.net/anime/16774/Inferno_Cop does meet MAL's definition yet this show does not meet AniDB's definition.





At least tell why SuperCrooks is considered to be Anime when there is barely any information on it?


https://myanimelist.net/anime/39520/Super_Crooks

Another Netflix original anime

>American produced . Like cannon busters. https://twitter.com/mrmarkmillar/status/1105353561553162242

>will be Animated by a Japanese studio. Like Cannon busters (not out sourced)

>based off a western comic book . Like cannon busters

MAL put SuperCrooks on MAL and calls it anime when it doesn’t seem that different from Cannon Busters from what I can tell.
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Aug 8, 2019 9:21 PM
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At least tell why SuperCrooks is considered to be Anime when there is barely any information on it?

This entry is in queue, like a lot of other random stuff that gets submitted by users daily. Of course, Super Crooks will be denied as it doesn't meet database guidelines either.
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Are there people that don't understand how the queue works? If you find an entry with 0 members and you can't add it to your list, its not actually on MAL. Its just another submission by users, 90% of which get deleted as the DB mods go through the queue because most of those submissions either are duplicates of other submissions, or don't meet the guidelines.


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gonna be pretty annoying if they don't add it. I agree with everyone above who explained why it belongs.
Aug 15, 2019 1:10 AM

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I just watched episode 1. It's pretty good.
I like the Japanese voices and the English dub too.
It gives me Space Dandy vibes.
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The credits of the series are in Japanese (Kanji), the anime was produced by a Japanese animation studio and the original version, according to Netflix, is Japanese (I read "Audio: Japanese (Original")). So please, this is an anime like any other.
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There is thread for this on /r/anime subreddit. This series is also listed on AniDB, Kitsu and Anime-Planet. Netflix says this is anime. Japanese audio track on Netflix is flagged as original track. This is made by Japanese studio. If this is not anime then nothing is anime.

I hate these "incomplete" database websites like MAL. It forces me to use many alternate websites to track what I watch and read. It is really pain in to keep all these up to date. I really wish that there would be a one big database website which would list everything. Currently I'm using MAL, AniChart, Anilist, Manga Updates, Novel Updates, Goodreads, mydramalist.com, Trakt.tv and Notepad++ to track my interests. Tracking for webnovels are even worst because there are no big database for them. Manga, manhua and manhwa are also somewhat pain to track. Also western databases like IMDb are all really horrible.
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Leknaat said:
Satelight is a Japanese studio, yes, but that's a common misconception among some users. Unfortunately for them database guidelines clearly state that productions where only the animation is outsourced are not allowed.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101


Then tell me why is here Chinese short animation from Honkai Impact 3: Reburn (Smartphone game)?:
https://myanimelist.net/anime.php?id=37879
Aug 15, 2019 9:31 AM
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@LoveMyMemory, could you please post screenshots with the credits? Or anyone else for that matter... that would be very helpful.

@RavenWolf1, how is Chinese animation related to this topic? Apparently you are not familiar with MAL's database guidelines at all.

Cannon Busters was released today. You could like give some time for it to be reviewed again before you REEEE about not having it. :)
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One of the staff member Thomas Romain (working at Satelight since a long time, like on Macross Delta recently) said it's produced in Tokyo. https://twitter.com/Thomasintokyo/status/1162030323149889536

It's an international team but it is made in japan, co-produced between Satelight and Yumeta company as we can see here : https://i.paste.pics/ec0ddc074b2094b5832640b1abb8aaf8.png

Here another screen where you can read "Kantoku" just before the name of LeSean : https://i.paste.pics/88dda412c6d07774cbf56a2a8952f403.png

For the end credits it's in japanese too : https://i.paste.pics/1e609183b11904b471722594e7366317.png

The credits are full japanese BTW but just in case you don't know yet, japanese animation is changing to a more international production, due to a lack of people in the local industry. there's gonna be more series like Cannon Busters in the future, so maybe it's time to change your politics about what is anime and what is not.

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Old_School_Akira said:


Yes. On Netflix is says it’s starring:Yoshitsugu Matsuoka, Hinaki Yano, Shiori Izawa

Seiyuus. So anime


According to that logic, the japanese Dub of 'Avengers: Endgame' is also anime, because seiyuus are involved.

That's some of the stupidest ass arguments I've ever heard.


Actually, the seiyuus are involved on it as the original voice actors, the ones that recorded it first. According to Netflix, the original audio for Cannon Busters is japanese, and not english. So, his argument is tecnically correct.

Even when we have some anime productions like that Batman OVAs, the new Saint Seiya or Animatrix on MAL, that don't even have japanese as their original audio. There is no reason to not put Cannon Busters in the MAL database as an anime.
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thank you guys for helping out. I'll hook you up with an entry in just a minute!
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skypytenshi said:

The credits are full japanese BTW but just in case you don't know yet, japanese animation is changing to a more international production, due to a lack of people in the local industry. there's gonna be more series like Cannon Busters in the future, so maybe it's time to change your politics about what is anime and what is not.

Dearly : A french journalist.


Yeah. I see anime is coming more mainstream and anime production is coming to be more hybrid productions between different countries. There are going to be lots more "anime series" which are hard to say are they anime. I might even predict that in future Chinese, Korean and western "anime" productions will surpass Japanese production. Chinese cultural output alone might even surpass western cultural output in future. Furthermore Japanese population is shrinking which makes their cultural output shrink too. It is important to Japan studios to make collaborations if their industry want to survive because their local audience is shrinking fast and international audience is exploding in astronomical numbers. They have to cater international customers.

Gone are days when Japan could only care about domestic customers. Japanese are forced to reach out to international customers or they will face same destiny than what happened to their phone industry (flip phones). And this is not only anime industry. This is Japan as whole.

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Shows where all work, aside from the animation, was done outside of Japan/Korea/China (e.g. directing, script, etc.). For example, if a US company outsources only the animation of a particular work to Japan, it will not be included in our database.


The rule actually doesn't mean international release projects are actually out. The problem comes down to figuring out where the work was done. However, as someone else noted - Cannon Busters actually lists the Japanese voice actors as the original audio, but the English subtitles match the Japanese audio and not the English dub, but the audio description is also in Japanese. This is a stark contrast to Castlevania and Neo Yokio where the original audio is clearly marked as English.

Of course, the source material is not Japanese, but Studio Ghibli has drawn from source material outside of Japan, so why not other studios?

This being said, MAL hasn't ruled on this yet either as the show was just released, but chances are they're waiting to see whether the series has the qualifications due to the fact Castlevania and Neo Yokio - also labeled as Netflix original Anime - did not.

P.S. Someone asked why works from Chinese and Korean studios are allowed, but by that questions logic the database shouldn't include manhua or manhwa. People aren't used to seeing Animation from either of these countries because the studios don't have a foothold like the ones in Japan do, but they do qualify based on the fact comics from China and Koirea are allowed.

Edit: Looks like others have said what I said before posting. L:)
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added here: https://myanimelist.net/anime/40256/Cannon_Busters

feel free to submit any missing staff members/characters. Thank you.
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added here: https://myanimelist.net/anime/40256/Cannon_Busters

feel free to submit any missing staff members/characters. Thank you.


They recently added a new key visual here: https://twitter.com/Cannon_Busters/status/1162046292974944259

but other than that. Thank You.
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I add Yann le Gall 'cause he said he work on Main BG and prop design but i don't see Prop Designer in the proposition on MAL so, just add Background Artist. https://twitter.com/Yann_Le_Gall/status/1161980622417457152
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It isn’t a Anime. It is a western Animation. Cannon Busters is done by foreigner. Who doesn’t understand anime. Its’ vision isn’t Japanese. Cannon Busters is westernized Japanese ideas. It ceases being a Anime when The Japanese ideas/perspective gets westernized. It is basically like The Simpsons but the animation is done in Japan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/10/netflixs-seis-manos-was-made-to-be-diverse-and-inclusive/96021/amp/


https://sakuraanimenews.com/2018/04/19/animegate-19-04-18/
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It isn’t a Anime. It is a western Animation. Cannon Busters is done by foreigner. Who doesn’t understand anime. Its’ vision isn’t Japanese. Cannon Busters is westernized Japanese ideas. It ceases being a Anime when The Japanese ideas/perspective gets westernized. It is basically like The Simpsons but the animation is done in Japan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/10/netflixs-seis-manos-was-made-to-be-diverse-and-inclusive/96021/amp/


https://sakuraanimenews.com/2018/04/19/animegate-19-04-18/
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There are several multi-national collaborations in the database, so this should be on there too. Anime is an evolving medium and there are no valid "purity tests" - it's good that this was added.
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It really isn’t Anime. It isn’t evolving Anime but devolving it into The Simpsons.

@Nyron
Cannon Busters is a western animation. Not a anime. It westernized Japanese Ideas, and ceases from being Anime.

Cannon Busters isn’t “evolving” Anime. Anime is already evolved. Please don’t try to convince me and other people who disagree with you otherwise.
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@lordsamhain
Repeating the same stuff at me doesn't change the fact that no one cares about your embarrassingly narrow idea of what anime is that you're seemingly afraid to even have challenged. Telling people to not try to convince you otherwise is telling them you don't have faith in what you stand for.
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I really don’t have a narrow idea what Anime is. One sculpture is made of glass the other is made of trash. You cannot call the trash sculpture as the same as the glass sculpture.

Cannon Busters is done by a American. It westernized Japanese ideas. It ceases to be so. It looks like westerners are infiltrating Anime and turning it to edgy cartoons for hipsters.
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@lordsamhain There are hundreds of series and movies that adapt Western ideas and properties into anime that are quite acclaimed. Moreover, Cannon Busters takes a lot of concepts from those series, mainly Bebop and a few others. So how can you say it Westernized Japanese ideas, when its inspiration was inspired by American ideas? You shouldn't speak about things you obviously don't understand. I would also stop reading websites about "animegate."
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@lordsamhain
Why does everything you write read like an AI trying to mimic the stereotypical weeb? Is it because everything you're saying is parroted from other people? Is that also why you still don't get that no one cares about your narrow minded idea of what anime is? Is that why you're still not picking up on the fact that I'm only here to mock you?
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lordsamhain's views are pretty common because younger/more ignorant people think that all their favorite shows and songs and movies were created in a vacuum by a spark of genius, when the reality is that everything is a remix of other things. Tekkonkinkreet was also directed by a baka gaijin white boi and it's one of the best anime films of all time. Trigun, Gungrave and Blood Blockade are all by Yasuhiro Nightow, a Japanese person, but take nearly all of their inspiration from Western comics and action figures. Steven Universe and Star vs the Forces of Evil are an amalgam of references to things like DBZ, Utena and Sailor Moon, which themselves were based on things that weren't even Japanese.

the argument that Cannon Busters, which was drawn and produced by a Japanese staff, and basically directly spun off of 90's anime series, isn't an anime is just especially smooth-brained, though.
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@Dysisa

I really do understand. Anime japanizes western ideas, because they infuse their own cultural perspective. Cannon Busters changes the aesthetics of Anime and turning it into western animation/cartoons. Look no further than the 4Kids dub of One Piece. Everyone was mad because localized/westernized Japanese ideas. Fans were pretty mad.
I knew about Animegate for a long time.
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"Because the animation looks similar to the western cartoons so therefore x anime must be made by America."

............. What did I just read?

According to your logic, I guess Avatar: The Last Airbender was made by Japan as the art style look similar to Japan animations, even though the show was in fact made by America and none of the staffs are Japanese.

I never watch this show but based on the staffs listed on MAL and Wikipedia page, aside of the director and scriptwriters was American, most of the staffs are Japanese and it's made by the Japan animation studio. So, how is this not made by Japan?

Also, your argument about One Piece doesn't even make sense and it has completely nothing to do with whatever Cannon Busters is western animation or not.


Based on your comments, I don't think you actually know the difference between Anime (Japanese animation) and Cartoon (Western animation).
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