Who do you think should have won the Juuni Taisen? POLL
| Also why do you think they should have won. |
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| For me I think Ox should have won because he was the most skilled fighter. |
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| If we ignore Rat's ability I would say Monkey. I think she was potentially the strongest, sadly she got sliced trying to reason with the insane Rabbit. Rabbit, Ox and maybe even Sheep if he didn't meet Tiger also had a chance to win. |
| The zodiac ranking shouldve gone like this Winner: Monkey Runner up: Ox 3rd place: Tiger 4: Dragon 5: Boar 6: Snake 7: Chicken 8: Dog 9: Sheep 10: Rabbit 11: Horse 12: Rat Monkey should've won obviously. She's like the most powerful, and she's very experienced in wars and shit. Rabbit had the upper hand after he killed snake, if he hadn't he'd be as useless as Rat. |
| Well no one should have been able to kill Dragon except Chicken. Only thing that should have beaten him is if Dog or Sheep made it past the 12th hour. Since I never think Sheep/dog ever make it to the 12th hour, Dragon would just tie with whoever is left, be it Monkey or Ox. |
AnimeAdamOP said: Well no one should have been able to kill Dragon except Chicken. Only thing that should have beaten him is if Dog or Sheep made it past the 12th hour. Since I never think Sheep/dog ever make it to the 12th hour, Dragon would just tie with whoever is left, be it Monkey or Ox. in the LN it's said the dragon can fly higher than chicken's birds. And monkey is very powerful, if she can sense dragon and throw rabbit all the way up to the sky to slay dragon she can do anything. |
| The point of Rat winning the Juuni Taisen, was the fact that he didn't deserve to win, in fact, he didn't win, he just survived it like how a rat would. It's pointless to justify who should have won based on personal preference because no one could have "won" other than Rat, not because he took an active role in trying to win, but rather because he did what he could to survive. While I would normally say Monkey or Rabbit, based on the fact that I am a Monkey based on the monthly Chinese Zodiac calendar, and that Rabbit is my favorite character respectively, I don't think either could have won. For example, Monkey couldn't have won, because, by nature, Monkeys tend to both do what they believe is right, and they also tend to plan several steps ahead based on their analysis of the situation. This is very easy to take advantage of, because, as demonstrated with her fight with Rabbit, she planned out Rabbit's abilities perfectly, but she didn't think Rabbit would have the dead Snake of all things, aiding and assisting him, until it was too late. I cannot tell you how many times a similar situation has happened to me with a person that is a (monthly) Rabbit Zodiac sign, in my life. I don't claim to be an expert on how the Zodiac signs interact, for there is still a lot I need to learn about human interaction in general. What I can say, however, is that Rat is the only that can "win" the Juuni Taisen, because he was the one who put the deepest thought in his future (aka his ability/ zodiac defined personality), even if he couldn't handle the pressure of that memory later on. The show goes out of its way to characterize Rat as just a lazy teenager that had no business being in the Juuni Taisen, winning the Juuni Taisen, and wanting to forget it all happened. Sound familiar? The first half sounds like every self-insert protagonist, while the second half sounds like every [millennial] teenager... But no, that must be a coincidence, right? Get over yourselves and just accept the result, maybe [you] will actually come to like the series when [you] overcome [your] own biases. |
| Rabbit. All of the rest are actually fucking weak. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
| The power to see into the future, or in this case see different possibilities of the future, is the most overpowered ability in fiction in general imo. But if we're excluding Rat, I think Monkey had the best chance of winning. Don't believe we even saw anything close to her full power, which was disappointing. Though if I'm disregarding skills and what not, I'd want Chicken to win since I liked her the most. |
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Protaku said: The power to see into the future, or in this case see different possibilities of the future, is the most overpowered ability in fiction in general imo. But if we're excluding Rat, I think Monkey had the best chance of winning. Don't believe we even saw anything close to her full power, which was disappointing. Though if I'm disregarding skills and what not, I'd want Chicken to win since I liked her the most. It's so overpowered, and yet he couldn't even impress the girl he likes using it. We didn't see anything close to Monkey's full power, yes, but she was never going to use her full power anyway because all she thought of was peace, despite being in a freaking war. I liked Chicken too, I wished I could have seen more of her, but let's be honest, if she didn't die from Ox, she would have died from Rabbit, like all the others. |
Draconix814 said: Protaku said: The power to see into the future, or in this case see different possibilities of the future, is the most overpowered ability in fiction in general imo. But if we're excluding Rat, I think Monkey had the best chance of winning. Don't believe we even saw anything close to her full power, which was disappointing. Though if I'm disregarding skills and what not, I'd want Chicken to win since I liked her the most. It's so overpowered, and yet he couldn't even impress the girl he likes using it. We didn't see anything close to Monkey's full power, yes, but she was never going to use her full power anyway because all she thought of was peace, despite being in a freaking war. I liked Chicken too, I wished I could have seen more of her, but let's be honest, if she didn't die from Ox, she would have died from Rabbit, like all the others. Who knows, if Rat could see 1000 possibilities instead of 100 maybe one of them could have won her heart. For Monkey, if push came to shove I'm pretty sure she would use her full power; I believe she only perished because she was dead set on trying to restrain Rabbit so remove that clause and you get one badass Monkey chick. I'm pretty sure even the most devout pacifist wouldn't just let themselves be killed. Yeah, Chicken was pretty weak, but I still liked her. Her backstory engaged me a bit more than the others. Who knows though, her birds picked apart Boar pretty effortlessly. If she couldn't shoo them away with machine guns that never had to reload, I think Rabbit would have a much harder time shooing them away with machetes. |
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psychogum said: The zodiac ranking shouldve gone like this Winner: Monkey Runner up: Ox 3rd place: Tiger 4: Dragon 5: Boar 6: Snake 7: Chicken 8: Dog 9: Sheep 10: Rabbit 11: Horse 12: Rat Monkey should've won obviously. She's like the most powerful, and she's very experienced in wars and shit. Rabbit had the upper hand after he killed snake, if he hadn't he'd be as useless as Rat. I love how people are constantly measuring who is most "powerful", to justify who would win, when it really doesn't come down to power, but rather personality. While Monkey may or may not be the most powerful, she was never going to use that power, because she naively decided to follow her ideals, over her own survival. She's like Shirou Emiya, do you know how many times he had to be brought back to life before he learned his lesson? Ox and Tiger were technically the runner-ups, so I can't really argue with that, the rest is basically your biased assessment on who should have won based on your personal preference. Though, I am not exactly sure how you reached the conclusion that Rabbit would be as useless as Rat if he didn't get Snake's head. From the looks of it, Rabbit was the one who dominated the war, simply because of his tendency to plan and strategize ahead; this is the personality of the Rabbit, according to the Chinese Zodiac calendar, typically the type to take control of situations and always planning ahead. And like I said before in this forum, Rat is useless on purpose. Rat seems to represent every [millennial teenager] self-insert anime protagonist that gets sucked into a war they were never involved in, using his super-ultra power and stuff and winning by letting everybody else kill each other off. The show goes out of its way to get you to dislike this character by having him forget everything that happened in the Juuni Taisen and letting him live his useless existence, so I don't quite understand your criticism. |
Protaku said: Draconix814 said: It's so overpowered, and yet he couldn't even impress the girl he likes using it. We didn't see anything close to Monkey's full power, yes, but she was never going to use her full power anyway because all she thought of was peace, despite being in a freaking war. I liked Chicken too, I wished I could have seen more of her, but let's be honest, if she didn't die from Ox, she would have died from Rabbit, like all the others. Who knows, if Rat could see 1000 possibilities instead of 100 maybe one of them could have won her heart. For Monkey, if push came to shove I'm pretty sure she would use her full power; I believe she only perished because she was dead set on trying to restrain Rabbit so remove that clause and you get one badass Monkey chick. I'm pretty sure even the most devout pacifist wouldn't just let themselves be killed. Yeah, Chicken was pretty weak, but I still liked her. Her backstory engaged me a bit more than the others. Who knows though, her birds picked apart Boar pretty effortlessly. If she couldn't shoo them away with machine guns that never had to reload, I think Rabbit would have a much harder time shooing them away with machetes. Thank you for proving my point. Rat's ability isn't "the most overpowered ability in fiction". This is a war. Push came to shove when it started, it's her fault for letting herself get killed because she was preoccupied with making peace. That's the point of her death. While her ideals are absolutely necessary, the way she goes about it just ends up hurting her and others in the end... wait a minute, isn't that her backstory? Rabbit is a strategizer, that's why he dominated the war. He would have killed Dragon and had him kill her. Chicken's crows can't reach Dragon's heights, after all. |
Draconix814 said: psychogum said: The zodiac ranking shouldve gone like this Winner: Monkey Runner up: Ox 3rd place: Tiger 4: Dragon 5: Boar 6: Snake 7: Chicken 8: Dog 9: Sheep 10: Rabbit 11: Horse 12: Rat Monkey should've won obviously. She's like the most powerful, and she's very experienced in wars and shit. Rabbit had the upper hand after he killed snake, if he hadn't he'd be as useless as Rat. I love how people are constantly measuring who is most "powerful", to justify who would win, when it really doesn't come down to power, but rather personality. While Monkey may or may not be the most powerful, she was never going to use that power, because she naively decided to follow her ideals, over her own survival. She's like Shirou Emiya, do you know how many times he had to be brought back to life before he learned his lesson? Ox and Tiger were technically the runner-ups, so I can't really argue with that, the rest is basically your biased assessment on who should have won based on your personal preference. Though, I am not exactly sure how you reached the conclusion that Rabbit would be as useless as Rat if he didn't get Snake's head. From the looks of it, Rabbit was the one who dominated the war, simply because of his tendency to plan and strategize ahead; this is the personality of the Rabbit, according to the Chinese Zodiac calendar, typically the type to take control of situations and always planning ahead. And like I said before in this forum, Rat is useless on purpose. Rat seems to represent every [millennial teenager] self-insert anime protagonist that gets sucked into a war they were never involved in, using his super-ultra power and stuff and winning by letting everybody else kill each other off. The show goes out of its way to get you to dislike this character by having him forget everything that happened in the Juuni Taisen and letting him live his useless existence, so I don't quite understand your criticism. Biased assessment? How about I read the LN? That's how I formed my opinion thank you very much. I did actually consider the fact that Sharyuu is a committed pacifist before putting her at the top, because even then she still has a very powerful influence towards others, which is how in the sequel. Rabbit is a good strategist, without that he's nothing. And like rat it was just his luck that monkey was there to distract snake. Otherwise he wouldn't have had the upper hand and would be dead as soon as he confronted boar. He can't fight for shit, it's been pointed a lot of times in the novel. That's why he is in the sequel. Like I said, he's almost as useless as rat. I wouldn't put Boar so high up if I was bias. I don't even like her. |
| Wow, this is so depressive. 30 people in this thread voted for a communist world dystopia... Also, the argument that she was the most powerful is objectively not true, since she clearly lost to Rabbit. |
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Mummykun said: Wow, this is so depressive. 30 people in this thread voted for a communist world dystopia... Also, the argument that she was the most powerful is objectively not true, since she clearly lost to Rabbit. Um, that's not how power works, you know. She was outsmarted, not over-powered. We have no idea how this fight would have went if she was serious to kill. In terms of raw power, Monkey is stronger than Rabbit. He won because she is pacifist and wanted only to disarm him. If things went a little different (say, if Rabbit was in his zombie-like state), it would have ended pretty bad for him. It was also stated that she can mainupalte solids gases and liquids, very handful ability she shown only few times and never- in actual battles. I agree that Rabbit is OP and a great strategist, but she's more experienced fighter than him. To me winners (if there's no Path available for Rat to win) are: 1) Monkey 2) Rabbit 3) Ox / Horse (because of the defense and depends who would have fought him) |
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