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Aug 9, 2017 11:11 AM
#901
logic340 said: hmph i'm trying my darn best here to tell you guys that Iron is the scum and not me! It's just frustrating as subbing in for inactivity is always 10 times harder!Amai_yume said: I am not reading you off other games I am reading you off this onelogic340 said: @amai_yume if I may have a moment of your time. If you are telling the truth then who do you think is more likely to be ironace's partner? coro or Luna? With the recent post from Iron that I responded too Luna > Coro. I can always link my other games from other sites. unvote: vote: amai I am so serious about this. |
Aug 9, 2017 11:15 AM
#902
logic340 said: coromandel said: How and why? What has amai done since they entered the game to garner any trust?logic340 said: ironace said: Ignorant town? Or acting?Luna said: Oh wow, a lot has happened while I was reading... ironace said: hahahahahahahhahahahahah amai you lost I had no need to see logic as he was confirmed town. I ''visited''luna vote:amai_yume In many setups if mafia members have special abilities they can use both the nightkill and the ability. So it's not impossible that you both roleblocked me and killed another person. I'm not saying I'm believing Amai's claim immediately (need to have a closer look at it), but it's not like you're completely clear here. REALLY??? FK this is geting good. I say the former? @coromandel as a new player who has heard that RB is usually mafia do you think he would be so willing to claim it? i don't know. right now, I think I believe amai more than ironace. But I need some time to let this sink in, and re-read the thread. you mean luna more than amai? abu was the bodyguard. maybe because my questions went unanswered and sidestepped but I don't feel right there at all. Now how did you feel about floofs then think about what you are hearing and would town get a watcher and tracker both? Not much, tbh. I don't think town has both a watcher and tracker either, one of them has to be lying. So it's either amai who is lying, and amai plus someone else is scum, ironnace town. Or amai is telling the truth, then ironace and luna have to be scum - as you said, tracker + watcher is unlikely. |
Aug 9, 2017 11:16 AM
#903
Amai_yume said: I mean you were inactive yourself though. I tried to get a read on you before this. I have a read on Ironace can you quote it and refute it for me so i can see where you are coming from right now. Also do you think town have a tracker and a watcher because i am more willing to lynch luna that ironace and then we can talk. logic340 said: hmph i'm trying my darn best here to tell you guys that Iron is the scum and not me! It's just frustrating as subbing in for inactivity is always 10 times harder!Amai_yume said: logic340 said: @amai_yume if I may have a moment of your time. If you are telling the truth then who do you think is more likely to be ironace's partner? coro or Luna? With the recent post from Iron that I responded too Luna > Coro. I can always link my other games from other sites. unvote: vote: amai I am so serious about this. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:16 AM
#904
Logic - innocent child Ruu - Motivator RE - Visitor Salmon - Commuter Abu - Bodyguard coro - Duelist ironace - Roleblocker Luna - Tracker Amai - Watcher |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:16 AM
#905
why would they target a player who rarely talks?Targetng a player with over 50% posts would be more wise right? Directly killing him would hurt scum more than town. |
Aug 9, 2017 11:17 AM
#906
@Luna and @Amai_yume you two need to explain why you were so against my Abu read. I want to honor his memory an lynch Luna for him as she is the most connected. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:18 AM
#907
ironace said: why would they target a player who rarely talks?Targetng a player with over 50% posts would be more wise right? Directly killing him would hurt scum more than town. Abu also said he might be protecting me or even you, though. So it wasn't clear why he ended up dead. Unless you're scum, then you'd know exactly what happened. |
Aug 9, 2017 11:19 AM
#908
coromandel said: So ironace/Luna team or Amai/Lunalogic340 said: coromandel said: logic340 said: ironace said: Ignorant town? Or acting?Luna said: Oh wow, a lot has happened while I was reading... ironace said: hahahahahahahhahahahahah amai you lost I had no need to see logic as he was confirmed town. I ''visited''luna vote:amai_yume In many setups if mafia members have special abilities they can use both the nightkill and the ability. So it's not impossible that you both roleblocked me and killed another person. I'm not saying I'm believing Amai's claim immediately (need to have a closer look at it), but it's not like you're completely clear here. REALLY??? FK this is geting good. I say the former? @coromandel as a new player who has heard that RB is usually mafia do you think he would be so willing to claim it? i don't know. right now, I think I believe amai more than ironace. But I need some time to let this sink in, and re-read the thread. you mean luna more than amai? abu was the bodyguard. maybe because my questions went unanswered and sidestepped but I don't feel right there at all. Now how did you feel about floofs then think about what you are hearing and would town get a watcher and tracker both? Not much, tbh. I don't think town has both a watcher and tracker either, one of them has to be lying. So it's either amai who is lying, and amai plus someone else is scum, ironnace town. Or amai is telling the truth, then ironace and luna have to be scum - as you said, tracker + watcher is unlikely. Only other could be you and either of them though I find that a stretch. Ironace/Luna feels right if town has all this power they need to be able to stop it. Scum duelist seems dangerous. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:20 AM
#909
coromandel said: This is a very good point that cannot be overlooked. But he didn't say it assuredly. Would scum play around with it knowing they made the kill? I just see more town coming from ace than amai or floofs slotironace said: why would they target a player who rarely talks?Targetng a player with over 50% posts would be more wise right? Directly killing him would hurt scum more than town. Abu also said he might be protecting me or even you, though. So it wasn't clear why he ended up dead. Unless you're scum, then you'd know exactly what happened. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:21 AM
#910
We cannot just lynch off information alone. We need to use behavior as well. Vote counts are telling too. Combine all three of these aspects and see what you come up with. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:22 AM
#911
logic340 said: Amai_yume said: I mean you were inactive yourself though. I tried to get a read on you before this. I have a read on Ironace can you quote it and refute it for me so i can see where you are coming from right now. Also do you think town have a tracker and a watcher because i am more willing to lynch luna that ironace and then we can talk. logic340 said: Amai_yume said: I am not reading you off other games I am reading you off this onelogic340 said: @amai_yume if I may have a moment of your time. If you are telling the truth then who do you think is more likely to be ironace's partner? coro or Luna? With the recent post from Iron that I responded too Luna > Coro. I can always link my other games from other sites. unvote: vote: amai I am so serious about this. I'm not being inactivity for the sake of inactivity! I'm actually in the midst of finals week, and I wanted to play this game even with my limited time. There is a difference between inactivity and still posting when you have a chance. |
Aug 9, 2017 11:23 AM
#912
AbuHumaid said: I'm a 2 shot bodyguard, I'll protect logic tonight hope neither of both us die though here he is saying that he will protect logic, OH!!!!!!!!!! it finally hit me! Maybe abu used both his shots the same day? |
Aug 9, 2017 11:24 AM
#913
Amai_yume said: I am not saying you are, so please of not take offense. Try to see it from my point of view. Other than floofs EoD1 push on RE which could have been an attempt to save a partner I have nothing townie from that slot. Then I ask you multiple times to explain in depth and you dodged me as I noted multiple time. You gave me kind of barebones answers about Abu (town) and Luna (unknown) while keeping quiet about everyone else. You didn't post a read list that was asked for multiple time and still have not.logic340 said: Amai_yume said: logic340 said: hmph i'm trying my darn best here to tell you guys that Iron is the scum and not me! It's just frustrating as subbing in for inactivity is always 10 times harder!Amai_yume said: I am not reading you off other games I am reading you off this onelogic340 said: @amai_yume if I may have a moment of your time. If you are telling the truth then who do you think is more likely to be ironace's partner? coro or Luna? With the recent post from Iron that I responded too Luna > Coro. I can always link my other games from other sites. unvote: vote: amai I am so serious about this. I'm not being inactivity for the sake of inactivity! I'm actually in the midst of finals week, and I wanted to play this game even with my limited time. There is a difference between inactivity and still posting when you have a chance. Without the claim info. I want to know how you feel about each player still living right now based on their behavior and nothing else. I really don't think this is asking for too much? |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:25 AM
#914
I'm also thinking: is it possible scum can tamper with invest results? like a redirector of some sorts?? I have to go for today, will be back in about 10 hours and I'll try to analyze everyone in detail tomorrow. |
Aug 9, 2017 11:26 AM
#915
If we could throw the claims out and look at behavior for now. We will come back to claims later. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:27 AM
#916
ok so i need to go now guys!!!! I have to say, this has byfar been the best mafia game i have played till now.. GG mafia, you have town all over the place.please screw up somehow everyone except for logic is a suspect :( abu was sure coro is town and luna is scum so we can have -coro/amai -amai/luna UGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Bye everyone!!! |
Aug 9, 2017 11:28 AM
#917
ironace said: I do not think that is possible there is no need to speculate on this any more. AbuHumaid said: I'm a 2 shot bodyguard, I'll protect logic tonight hope neither of both us die though here he is saying that he will protect logic, OH!!!!!!!!!! it finally hit me! Maybe abu used both his shots the same day? abu died he said he would protect me I told him since he announced that he may want to change targets, he said maybe he will change to you or coro but he didn't know. He did say to lynch luna though. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:28 AM
#918
ironace said: why not Luna/coro?ok so i need to go now guys!!!! I have to say, this has byfar been the best mafia game i have played till now.. GG mafia, you have town all over the place.please screw up somehow everyone except for logic is a suspect :( abu was sure coro is town and luna is scum so we can have -coro/amai -amai/luna UGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Bye everyone!!! |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:30 AM
#919
@togs you never lied when you said you had measures in place to stop early mass claiming. shit is confusing. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:31 AM
#920
logic340 said: ironace said: why not Luna/coro?ok so i need to go now guys!!!! I have to say, this has byfar been the best mafia game i have played till now.. GG mafia, you have town all over the place.please screw up somehow everyone except for logic is a suspect :( abu was sure coro is town and luna is scum so we can have -coro/amai -amai/luna UGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Bye everyone!!! because i didnt visit you. So amai is confirmed scum |
Aug 9, 2017 11:33 AM
#921
Things of note: -Amai_yume's timing of their evidence it's almost too damn perfect. But could be real. -Watcher and Tracker both part of town? Coro could never answer yes to this because that would mean she has to be scum. -Duelist for mafia would make them very underpowered imo. What if they duel and lose? Only way this helps is if they duel their partner and give them town credit? -Luna has nothing to report with her results. Just unlucky or mafia hiding behind no info? -People need to look at Coro and see if she is manipulating things |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:35 AM
#922
@Luna and @Amai-yume why are you too so quiet? |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:37 AM
#923
i keep coming back now since things are finally moving. Good bye for real this time!!! |
Aug 9, 2017 11:37 AM
#924
I'm looking at past games/researching for essay atm. |
Aug 9, 2017 11:39 AM
#925
logic340 said: In response to this, I do better with real time interactions. I was going to pressure red a bit before EoD, but wasn't here in time. At that time I was still null with Coro/Iron.Amai_yume said: I am not saying you are, so please of not take offense. Try to see it from my point of view. Other than floofs EoD1 push on RE which could have been an attempt to save a partner I have nothing townie from that slot. Then I ask you multiple times to explain in depth and you dodged me as I noted multiple time. You gave me kind of barebones answers about Abu (town) and Luna (unknown) while keeping quiet about everyone else. You didn't post a read list that was asked for multiple time and still have not.logic340 said: Amai_yume said: I mean you were inactive yourself though. I tried to get a read on you before this. I have a read on Ironace can you quote it and refute it for me so i can see where you are coming from right now. Also do you think town have a tracker and a watcher because i am more willing to lynch luna that ironace and then we can talk. logic340 said: hmph i'm trying my darn best here to tell you guys that Iron is the scum and not me! It's just frustrating as subbing in for inactivity is always 10 times harder!Amai_yume said: I am not reading you off other games I am reading you off this onelogic340 said: @amai_yume if I may have a moment of your time. If you are telling the truth then who do you think is more likely to be ironace's partner? coro or Luna? With the recent post from Iron that I responded too Luna > Coro. I can always link my other games from other sites. unvote: vote: amai I am so serious about this. I'm not being inactivity for the sake of inactivity! I'm actually in the midst of finals week, and I wanted to play this game even with my limited time. There is a difference between inactivity and still posting when you have a chance. Without the claim info. I want to know how you feel about each player still living right now based on their behavior and nothing else. I really don't think this is asking for too much? |
Aug 9, 2017 11:39 AM
#926
Amai_yume said: not trying to be rude but I'd really like you to look at this game if you could. Have you read D1?I'm looking at past games/researching for essay atm. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:41 AM
#927
Amai_yume said: I like real time interactions as well but we have to make the best of what we have. I have so many posts that no one has responded to with reads on Coro, ironaace, Luna, and your slot?logic340 said: In response to this, I do better with real time interactions. I was going to pressure red a bit before EoD, but wasn't here in time. At that time I was still null with Coro/Iron.Amai_yume said: logic340 said: Amai_yume said: I mean you were inactive yourself though. I tried to get a read on you before this. I have a read on Ironace can you quote it and refute it for me so i can see where you are coming from right now. Also do you think town have a tracker and a watcher because i am more willing to lynch luna that ironace and then we can talk. logic340 said: hmph i'm trying my darn best here to tell you guys that Iron is the scum and not me! It's just frustrating as subbing in for inactivity is always 10 times harder!Amai_yume said: I am not reading you off other games I am reading you off this onelogic340 said: @amai_yume if I may have a moment of your time. If you are telling the truth then who do you think is more likely to be ironace's partner? coro or Luna? With the recent post from Iron that I responded too Luna > Coro. I can always link my other games from other sites. unvote: vote: amai I am so serious about this. I'm not being inactivity for the sake of inactivity! I'm actually in the midst of finals week, and I wanted to play this game even with my limited time. There is a difference between inactivity and still posting when you have a chance. Without the claim info. I want to know how you feel about each player still living right now based on their behavior and nothing else. I really don't think this is asking for too much? I don't know what else I can do to help town here if you guys wont go over what I post. Just put the game on my shoulders and let me make the choice is my next suggestions. Burden of Prophecy rests with logic. I will take the blame for the loss if it happens. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:42 AM
#928
logic340 said: Yes, but I want a comparison to see if it's consistent with this game. That's part of how I solve games.not trying to be rude but I'd really like you to look at this game if you could. Have you read D1? |
Aug 9, 2017 11:43 AM
#929
Amai_yume said: What can I say but fair enough. Did you at least read Day 1 of this game already?logic340 said: Yes, but I want a comparison to see if it's consistent with this game. That's part of how I solve games.Amai_yume said: I'm looking at past games/researching for essay atm. sorry I guess yes at the beginning was the answer to my questions. |
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Aug 9, 2017 11:57 AM
#930
Ok I don't know what to believe at the moment and I'm pretty tired which doesn't make it better. I've never seen a mafia aligned tracker or mafia aligned watcher in my old games, but when I was having a glimpse at the Easter Egg Mafia game I saw a mafia aligned watcher, but from how I understood it the roles were randomly assigned to the factions, so not a normal game. Ironace claimed he role blocked me and my ability indeed failed, so at least the role seems to be plausible to me. On the other hand, I can't say the same about Amai. It's not even clear if she's really a watcher or something else. Also, logic said something about fear of being blocked or watched. Mafia can pick up on such things and use them for themselves. ironace is now heavily going against Amai and Amai is going heavily against ironace. They were both suspicious before so maybe they're now trying to accuse each other to make us think they're not a pair. I need to have a look at their other interactions they had in the thread. ironace claims he couldn't have visited logic because he roleblocked me, but I pointed out that in many setups a mafioso can do both the kill and use their ability (also on different people). So he's not completely clear. I'm wondering if Duelist could be a role for mafia and how they would use that. Like logic said to duel their partner and get town credit? I don't know, it just seems weird. These are my thoughts about the current situation. I agree with logic that we should look at the behavior of people. I will go through things once again tomorrow then. |
Aug 9, 2017 12:09 PM
#931
@Luna this is townie I agree with logic that we should look at the behavior of people. I will go through things once again tomorrow then Might need too look deeper into coro's quick vote change today. Coro amai isn't out of the real of possibility to me even with the vote on floofs yesterday. |
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Aug 9, 2017 2:25 PM
#932
So with how much I fought for that Abu read I think there will be a lot of information for us to gain looking into those interactions. other interesting interactions to look into: Coro/Luna Luna/ironace Amai/Coro ironace/coro |
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Aug 10, 2017 3:09 AM
#933
@Togs vote count please |
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Aug 10, 2017 3:32 AM
#934
Vote Count 3.2 Amai_yume (3): Luna, Ironace, Logic340 Luna (1): Coromandel ironace (1): Amai_yume Not Voting (0): ~ >>Day 3 Timer<< |
Aug 10, 2017 4:46 AM
#935
logic340 said: coromandel said: So ironace/Luna team or Amai/Lunalogic340 said: coromandel said: How and why? What has amai done since they entered the game to garner any trust?logic340 said: ironace said: Ignorant town? Or acting?Luna said: Oh wow, a lot has happened while I was reading... ironace said: hahahahahahahhahahahahah amai you lost I had no need to see logic as he was confirmed town. I ''visited''luna vote:amai_yume In many setups if mafia members have special abilities they can use both the nightkill and the ability. So it's not impossible that you both roleblocked me and killed another person. I'm not saying I'm believing Amai's claim immediately (need to have a closer look at it), but it's not like you're completely clear here. REALLY??? FK this is geting good. I say the former? @coromandel as a new player who has heard that RB is usually mafia do you think he would be so willing to claim it? i don't know. right now, I think I believe amai more than ironace. But I need some time to let this sink in, and re-read the thread. you mean luna more than amai? abu was the bodyguard. maybe because my questions went unanswered and sidestepped but I don't feel right there at all. Now how did you feel about floofs then think about what you are hearing and would town get a watcher and tracker both? Not much, tbh. I don't think town has both a watcher and tracker either, one of them has to be lying. So it's either amai who is lying, and amai plus someone else is scum, ironnace town. Or amai is telling the truth, then ironace and luna have to be scum - as you said, tracker + watcher is unlikely. Only other could be you and either of them though I find that a stretch. Ironace/Luna feels right if town has all this power they need to be able to stop it. Scum duelist seems dangerous. This is what I think. And I'm leaning towards ironace/Luna, because if I was voting for amai now as well, everyone would be voting for her except for herself. How do you feel about luna/ironace interaction from D1? I thought it was odd how they both voted for each other, but at the end of the day, Luna switched to Ruu and ironace unvoted Luna. You said earlier that ironace/Luna was unlikely, but I disagree. In the end they didn't hurt each other with those votes. I'm gonna look at their reasons now. I already mentioned it here: coromandel said: vote count analysis Day 1 votes ruu votes for luna coromandel votes for ironace ironace votes for logic340 red_salmon votes for AbuHumaid logic340 votes for no lynch RE1031 votes for red_salmon luna votes for ironace Togs said: logic340 unvotes Vote Count 1.0 Ironace (2): Coromandel, Luna Luna (1): ruu logic340 (1): Ironace AbuHumaid (1): red_salmon No Lynch (1): logic340 red_salmon (1): RE1031 Not Voting (2): Floofs, AbuHumaid Togs said: RE1031 votes for luna Vote Count 1.1 Ironace (2): Coromandel, Luna Luna (1): ruu logic340 (1): Ironace AbuHumaid (1): red_salmon red_salmon (1): RE1031 Not Voting (3): Floofs, AbuHumaid, logic340 logic340 votes for ruu Togs said: AbuHumaid votes for luna Vote Count 1.2 Ironace (2): Coromandel, Luna Luna (2): ruu, RE1031 logic340 (1): Ironace AbuHumaid (1): red_salmon ruu (1): logic340 Not Voting (2): Floofs, AbuHumaid red_salmon unvotes logic340 unvotes ruu votes for RE1031 Togs said: logic340 votes for luna Vote Count 1.3 Ironace (2): Coromandel, Luna Luna (2): RE1031, AbuHumaid logic340 (1): Ironace RE1041 (1): ruu Not Voting (3): Floofs, red_salmon, logic340 ironace votes for luna Togs said: logic340 votes for red_salmon Vote Count 1.4 Luna (4): RE1031, AbuHumaid, logic340, Ironace Ironace (2): Coromandel, Luna RE1041 (1): ruu Not Voting (2): Floofs, red_salmon Togs said: coromandel votes for red_salmon Vote Count 1.5 Luna (3): RE1031, AbuHumaid, Ironace Ironace (2): Coromandel, Luna RE1041 (1): ruu red_salmon (1): logic340 Not Voting (2): Floofs, red_salmon Togs said: Floofs votes for RE1031 Slightly More Official Vote Count 1.6 Luna (3): RE1031, AbuHumaid, Ironace red_salmon (2): logic340, coromandel Ironace (1): Luna RE1041 (1): ruu Not Voting (2): Floofs, red_salmon ruu votes for luna Togs said: ironace unvotes Vote Count 1.7 Luna (4): RE1031, AbuHumaid, Ironace, Ruu Red_Salmon (2): Logic340, Coromandel Ironace (1): Luna RE1041 (1): Floofs Not Voting (1): Red_Salmon luna votes for red_salmon logic340 votes for ruu luna votes for ruu RE1031 votes for ruu Togs said: Vote Count 1.8 ruu (3): logic340, Luna, RE1031 Luna (2): AbuHumaid, ruu red_salmon (2): Coromandel RE1041 (1): Floofs ruu (1): logic340, Luna, RE1031 Not Voting (2): red_salmon, Ironace Togs said: Day 1 Final Vote Count ruu (3): logic340, Luna, RE1031 Luna (2): AbuHumaid, ruu red_salmon (2): Coromandel RE1041 (1): Floofs ruu (1): logic340, Luna, RE1031 Not Voting (2): red_salmon, Ironace Floofs > RE1031 AbuHumaid > Luna Ironace > Logic340 > Luna > unvote Logic340 > no lynch > unvote > Ruu > unvote > Luna > Red_Salmon > Ruu Coromandel > Ironace > Red_Salmon Luna > ironace > Red_Salmon > Ruu Ruu > Luna > RE1031 > Luna RE1031 > Red_Salmon > Luna > Ruu Red_Salmon > AbuHumaid > unvote coromandel said: My thoughts: VC 1.0-1.1: ironace was leading in votes, a couple of other players had 1 vote on them (abu and luna being one of those) VC 1.2: RE1031 tied the votes between ironace and luna. VC 1.3: Ruu unvoted, an Abu voted for Luna instead. Again, ironace and Luna both had 2 votes at that time. VC 1.4-1.5: ironace votes for luna, luna is leading in votes with 4 and then 3 votes (because logic unvotes). VC 1.6-1.7: I unvoted ironace and voted for salmon instead. Ruu voted Luna. VC 1.8: Ruu is being voted for by Logic, Luna and RE. So the people who were leading in votes during day 1 were: ironace, luna and then Ruu. What's interesting is that Ruu's train formed during the last 3 hours before phase change. We know that 2 out of 3 players on her train are town (Logic and RE), but Luna may have voted for Ruu to save herself and could be scum imo. I need to look up her reason for voting Ruu again. Ironace's reason for unvoting Luna - I need to re-read this as well. __________________________________________________ Day 2 votes logic340 votes for luna AbuHumaid votes for luna coromandel votes for ironace ironace votes for AbuHumaid luna votes for AbuHumaid coromandel votes for Floofs coromandel votes for red_salmon Togs said: logic340 votes for red_salmon Vote Count 2.0 Luna (2): logic340, AbuHumaid AbuHumaid (2): Ironace, Luna red_salmon (1): Coromandel Not Voting (2): Floofs, red_salmon Togs said: Vote Count 2.1 AbuHumaid (2): Ironace, Luna red_salmon (2): Coromandel, logic340 Luna (1): AbuHumaid Not Voting (2): Floofs, red_salmon Togs said: red_salmon votes for coromandel Vote Count 2.2 (Unchanged) AbuHumaid (2): Ironace, Luna red_salmon (2): Coromandel, logic340 Luna (1): AbuHumaid Not Voting (2): Floofs, red_salmon Togs said: logic340 votes for luna Vote Count 2.3 AbuHumaid (2): Ironace, Luna red_salmon (2): Coromandel, logic340 Luna (1): AbuHumaid Coromandel (1): red_salmon Not Voting (1): Floofs ironace votes for luna Togs said: coromandel votes for luna Vote Count 2.4 Luna (3): AbuHumaid, logic340, Ironace AbuHumaid (1): Luna red_salmon (1): Coromandel Coromandel (1): red_salmon Not Voting (1): Floofs logic340 votes for red_salmon Togs said: coromandel votes for red_salmon Vote Count 2.5 Luna (3): AbuHumaid, Ironace, Coromandel AbuHumaid (1): Luna red_salmon (1): logic340 Coromandel (1): red_salmon Not Voting (1): Floofs luna votes for Floofs Togs said: AbuHumaid votes for red_salmon Vote Count 2.6 Luna (2): AbuHumaid, Ironace red_salmon (2): logic340, Coromandel Coromandel (1): red_salmon Floofs (1): Luna Not Voting (1): Floofs Togs said: ironace votes for red_salmon Vote Count 2.8 Coromandel (0): red_salmon (0): Not Voting (7): Amai_yume, AbuHumaid, Ironace, logic340, Coromandel, red_salmon, Luna Announcement: The Votecount has been reset. Only Coromandel and red_salmon can be voted on today. coromandel votes for red_salmon Togs said: AbuHumaid votes for red_salmon Vote Count 2.9 red_salmon (2): Ironace, Coromandel Coromandel (0): Not Voting (5): Amai_yume, AbuHumaid, logic340, red_salmon, Luna Modnote: No Lynch is still an option to be voted on today if you wish. Togs said: Vote Count 2.10 red_salmon (3): Ironace, Coromandel, AbuHumaid Coromandel (0): Not Voting (4): Amai_yume, logic340, red_salmon, Luna logic340 votes for red_salmon Togs said: Day 2 Final Votecount red_salmon (4): Ironace, Coromandel, AbuHumaid, logic340 Coromandel (0): Not Voting (3): Amai_yume, red_salmon, Luna Floofs/Amai_yume > AbuHumaid > Luna > Red_Salmon > (Vote reset) Red_Salmon Ironace > AbuHumaid > Luna > (Vote reset) Red_Salmon Logic340 > Luna > Red_Salmon > Luna > Red_Salmon > (Vote reset) Red_Salmon Coromandel > ironace > Floofs > Red_Salmon > Luna > Red_Salmon > (Vote reset) Red_Salmon Luna > AbuHumaid > Floofs Red_Salmon > coromandel My thoughts: VC 2.0: Abuhumaid and Luna were leading in votes. Ironace and Luna were voting for Abu, Abu and Logic voted for Luna. VC 2.1-2.3 logic changes his vote from Luna to Salmon. The votes are tied between salmon and abu for a while. VC 2.4-5: Luna is leading in votes. VC 2.6: Luna [Abu, ironace) and Salmon (logic, coromandel) lead with 2 votes each. Then the votes were reset. Ironace, coromandel, abu and logic voted for red_salmon. Amai_yume and Luna weren't voting for anyone. ^ Here, I find amai_yume and Luna suspicious. Why didn't they place a vote on anyone after the votes were reset? If they thought both me and Salmon are town, why didn't they go for "no lynch" instead? @Luna you even said you didn't find Salmon suspicious and that you didn't want to vote for him. You didn't vote for me either, so I'm guessing you thought we were both town? Then why didn't you try to convince people to go for no lynch instead? |
Aug 10, 2017 4:51 AM
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And I'm not sure amai would be ballsy enough to fake-claim like this as scum. it's now a her word against ironace's situation, which is something scum tend to avoid. Another thing is how ironace constantly accused people of being TPR. I've seen this happen in other games, where scum accuse people they "suspect" as TPR, because they're already mafia themselves and now said person can't be mafia. |
Aug 10, 2017 5:04 AM
#937
coromandel said: normally I would agree with you but considering we are in lylo this is the perfect time for scum to make that type of move. The timing of the claim after having no behavior for the entire game is what makes me question it everything we needed to win the game just fell right into amai's lap? This us why I want people's thoughts on floofs? If we feel like floof's is town then this information should be trustworthy?And I'm not sure amai would be ballsy enough to fake-claim like this as scum. it's now a her word against ironace's situation, which is something scum tend to avoid. Another thing is how ironace constantly accused people of being TPR. I've seen this happen in other games, where scum accuse people they "suspect" as TPR, because they're already mafia themselves and now said person can't be mafia. |
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Aug 10, 2017 5:09 AM
#938
logic340 said: can someone talk to me about this please"Everything Luna continued...." Luna said: In my post where I asked about FOS I also asked ironace a question directly which he didn't reply to. Not replying to a question can mean they just honestly didn't see it for some reason, or they did see it but decided to ignore it, trying to avoid giving a bad answer if they're not town. I wanted to know what's the case here. The way he replied now makes me think he didn't see my post. logic340 said: Luna said: ironace said: Luna said: ironace said: Oh yeah..@logic340 what is FOS? Edit...I hate my autocorect Edit..just saw the above post. @ironace: Did you see that I had asked this question before? I saw the post later on. If you saw it later, why didn't you reply to my question I had in the same post? Or did I miss something? logic340 said: ironace said: @Luna you guys posted literally like 1 minute apart. Why does him asking this question catch your interest?Luna said: ironace said: Oh yeah..@logic340 what is FOS? Edit...I hate my autocorect Edit..just saw the above post. @ironace: Did you see that I had asked this question before? I saw the post later on. I posted the actual question several minutes before this happened, in a post where I also addressed him directly. When I posted 1 minute before him I just said thanks to your answer. I just wanted to find out if he actually read my other post. logic340 said: What do you expect from him when you ask him to contribute more? Answering questions he was asked and trying to work out the game (people have different methods but he didn't do much before). logic340 said: So from experience when posts are lacking is that coming from Mafia who are struggling to hide amongst the town or townies getting themselves into trouble. What does ironace's lack of contribution mean for his alignment? Do you think he is going to sit back and not do anything as scum? Sounds counterproductive to me. Just saying that his contribution isn't enough really isn't doing it for me because something similar could be said about your early contribution and was. With Abu I feel just like Salmon does. Talk to him and his alignment will reveal itself. He's been like an open book lately. Not sure how he got mislynched in Robot Mafia. So I will give him some time to show me what he is working with. I saw enough players who did not much as mafia (as well as town, so yeah, it's not alignment indicative). I actually compared ironace's early contributions to mine in the sentence, but I want to know from Abu why he chose me and not ironace. And sure, I will talk to Abu, that's why I asked him all these questions. logic340 said: 1. How does brining up no lynch early harm town? It's something I feel that players here view negatively without really thinking about the pros and cons of a no lynch for each actual alignment. Why would it encourage people to sit back and do nothing when I have stated that we need to get out in front and catch the mafia? Why would I talk about no lynch making people feel at ease like they don't have to do anything then turn around and try to get everyone active? You say it can slow the game down why am I doing the opposite then by posting as much as I have trying to get people engaged and talking about one another? Is that the scum approach to making a No Lynch happen D1? Talking and getting people engaged is great, yes. I was mostly talking about the voting. If we're mostly talking and not voting there won't be a lot of pressure (people react differently to questions depending on if they're pressured or not, so it's helpful). In this game everyone who is active has already placed at least one vote though, so doesn't really apply here. Actually this game is a lot more active than the games I used to play. So some of my views and experience I have might actually a bit outdated. logic340 said: 2. Why would I encourage him to vote for people I though were null, town, or didn't have enough information on? Should I have been encouraging him to join your train? Like I said, everyone should form their own opinions. What's the point of telling someone to vote for player X? You can bring your case against player X and if someone agrees they will join the train. But telling someone to vote player X seems just fishy to me. 1. Sorry about that you did post the question on page 1. Now it still brings me to my question what does him missing it or asking the question again tell you about his alignment? 2. No he didn't do much before but to be fair it was like somewhere between 1am and 2am on that side of the world. I thought he was asleep before then. Now that he is back we should try to get him more engaged. I know a lot of players who don't like asking questions. Karote is a great example of this even as Conf!Town that guy barely contributes at least in a way we would really consider contribution. Everyone brings their own methods it's up to us to figure them out. If someone gets lynched for the same reasons every game is it their fault or the people lynching them? 3. Well I will look forward to Abu's answer there and it's a decent question should lead some interactions between you both. 4. Even in this current MS meta I think some of the views are outdated which is why I like to play around with NL. It's something that generally causes a reaction in town and scum either stay away or jump on trying to look townie. This is where I start looking at motive as opposed to just which side you are on. 5. While I agree these is a bit of democracy going on here. So sometimes there needs to be compromise. Also if we all come to our own conclusions and that lands us on 9 different people with 1 vote each what did we achieve? So yes I will always s encourage people to vote with me when I am confident in my reads. I surely wouldn't want him voting a town read would I? 1. See my reply to coro above ^ 2. I know that it was late for him and I only said it would be better if he contributed more from now on. I know people have different methods but refusing to work things out isn't a method I think is good. If town stays low they make themselves suspicious which helps mafia because people focus on these players then. 4. I can't say anything about the current MS meta because I didn't even read any recent games, so I will just see how things are going here now. 5. My problem was the way how you said it. It was really pushy and didn't let him room to come to his own conclusions. Since you seem to be confirmed townie now I will drop this here because it doesn't make much sense to continue this. Luna said: logic340 said: Luna said: All that lynch proves is the person was town. What if everyone on the lynch train was town. Sure we can look through the train but it really doesn't help us anymore or less than going through any other train after any other flip. People have argued that a NK doesn't offer as much information but everything that happens offers information it's just whether we figure it out or not. I like to use VCA but honestly they only really work near end game after you have 4 dead townies in them or if you catch scum and use them afterwards to find partners. I can rely on my ability but only as it helps me to assist town or give town information. I was a redirector once and knew I was going to fuck with town results so I gave up my role so that town could figure things out without being confused. I will end up doing the same thing here it's just a matter of when. I am looking for the opportune time. Though it may have passed since I am not facing any real pressure here.logic340 said: Luna said: logic340 said: Luna said: in many cases my town win percentage sits at maybe 40% my mafia win percentage is 80.%. Mislynches are what basis need for quick victory..Why hero them with a lynch for possible information? Especially in a role madness game where we could potentially be lynching a investigative pr? Again not advocating for No Lynch but we need to get after it if we're going to give ourselves a better option. logic340 said: Yes and no...I am pro lynch D1 but I am not down for any old lynch. If I feel that the lynch is on mafia or will actually provide town with information then cool. I mostly want people to know that it is a voting option and one I would choose over CFD and possibly lynching town at the EoD. Why you may ask? Because i feel like lengthening the game is very disadvantageous for mafia. If you like we can discuss why I feel NL has merits, if and only if, we cannot come to some sort of consensus on what we feel is a scum lynch option. This isn't set in stone every game brings it's different challenges but yeah. I also feel that RVS isn't need so this is my way of working around it. In what case would a lynch not provide town with information? Thoughts on Ruu and Salmon? The thing is, if someone gets lynched on D1 and an alignment is revealed, you can work much better from there on the following day(s) because you can start making better connections between players. Otherwise you will still have much less information on D2, which benefits the mafia. And yes, in role madness people have abilities to find out things during night. But these do not necessarily help a lot (people could die, be blocked, abilities redirected, framed etc. etc.). To me it seems better to work out the game with the information that's open in the thread which includes votes and the results of a lynch. But that's just my opinion. Ruu and Red_Salmon are neutral to me at the moment. Ruu hasn't said too much yet so can't say much about her, but nothing really seemed bad to me. I don't know her meta, so help me here please: What did she say or do in this game that made her suspicious to you? In your reasoning for voting here it reads to me like you're voting her for meta reasons but as I don't know these other games I don't really understand. About Red_Salmon, when I asked if everyone had played mafia before, he didn't just reply to my question but also asked me something about this game, which I liked. Gave me the feeling he's not just here to write fluff. I don't understand why he unvoted Abu though, especially after Abu's weird appearance. @Red_Salmon: Why did you unvote Abu? If a lynch doesn't happen and a night kill does we get pretty much the same information though. Again based on my experience mislynches don't actually give town much information other than the person who flipped. I found that in Robot Mafia town didn't use the information to their advantage not that it isn't there so how do you make sure we use the information from a mislynch in a productive way? I would rather save a life and keep mafia away front heir wincon then to give them a life for possible information. I feel like you defeated your own argument with the bolded because isn't all of that information that will at some point be available. Mafia only get 1 night kill they cannot restrict our information as much as you are letting on. I caught her bending the truth which is something I feel benefits mafia more than town. though she did admit to it which makes me feel a bit better but that is how she got me last time doing things I didn't expect scum to do. There's also the fact that she hasn't really given a read on me when I know she is good at reading me. She nails me as scum it's happened multiple times. Red_Salmon just got out of a game with Town Abu. I have played two games with town Abu recently and his weird appearance is pretty much just Abu. Not really enough to go either way but his first post honestly gave me town Abu vibes. If someone flips and you know their alignment upon death you can make a VCA (vote count analysis). This can help find the non town related players. Sure you can analyze the votes even if someone doesn't get lynched, but since you don't know their alignment there's not much you can do with it, vca gets more effective the more information about dead players is known. Considering the small setup there's probably 2 mafia and 1 tpr and they all have abilities. Some town roles might also have abilities that can for example block or redirect and they might use it on another townie. I generally don't like relying too much on abilities in games, especially when they're not known like here. Could you give me the posts in which Ruu said these things? "Could you give me the posts in which Ruu said these things?" - What do you mean? What did I say about Ruu here? Anyway I am not going for no lynch I am going for a scum lynch care to join me? Yeah like I said, VCA gets more effective later, but if there's no lynch it takes just longer. I meant that you said you caught Ruu bending the truth and I wasn't sure what this was about, so I asked you to link me to the posts. But I already found them now, so nevermind my question. Sure, I'm all for lynching scum today. Who are your current suspects and why? Luna said: ironace said: all caught up-I feel like an idiot -_- as i didnt read it was logic exclusive unvote Infact i was just thinking of voting for luna as well due to her ...dunno..method? of poking me for answers..seeming unnatural from the norm im used to(not that i know of much since i have technically completed only 2 games) Vote:luna this seems like a good place to start. I was trying to find out your alignment, asking questions is a key element for doing it. I could have asked you directly if you had read my post but I decided to ask in an indirect way because I thought maybe I would get more information like this. ironace said: ill ask again, why are you guys suspicious of salmon?OR am i missing something? Let's turn this question around, what do you think about Red_Salmon so far? Luna said: RE1031 said: Luna said: @AbuHumaid: Did you actually read my posts? Do you have any other reasons for voting me? Why did you prefer me over ironace even though his contributions are also lacking? How do you feel about Floofs? I'd say she's contributing less than both. Floofs hasn't said much before you asked the question, but she posted more now. Her early posts don't look scummy to me but they kind of gave me the feeling she's trying to stay in the background. I like the posts she made later, she is engaging more with other players. Not sure about her vote and the reasoning though, it didn't seem to me like a big deal. Luna said: AbuHumaid said: Luna said: what's wrong with joining the game late? timezones? Then there's Abu who joined the game late, voted me without giving a reason and when he was asked he said this: AbuHumaid said: logic340 said: it's because what you and RE said, most of her posts are irrelevant to the game yet she's fairly active. only an anti-town would be like that i'm still not sure about her though i want to see more of her + her responseMay I ask why you're voting Luna? RE said "a good number of them don't pertain to this game specifically". I don't think he meant "most" with it. Also, besides my exchanges with ironace, I also had exchanges with logic and Red_Salmon and they were specific to the game. @AbuHumaid: Did you actually read my posts? Do you have any other reasons for voting me? Why did you prefer me over ironace even though his contributions are also lacking? and yeah RE said "good number" which is close enough to "most" why are you arguing about this while missing the whole point? by "irrelevant" i meant that your posts aren't helping town, they seem too casual and yes i read your posts other reasons? you just gave me more, why are you panicking over a vote? i never said i want to lynch you, i honestly didn't want to because you just came back to mafia games so it would be mean but you're not giving me a reason to not suspect you ironace is a newbie, i'm used to him being like that so pushing on him too much is scummy wouldn't you think so? Nothing is wrong with it, I was just saying that you weren't here in the game in the beginning. Casual posts are not necessarily irrelevant. They can still help in one way or the other. Since I hadn't played with most people here I wanted to get a feeling for them. I'm not panicking over a vote, what makes you think I am? I'm only asking you questions to find out what you're thinking so I can get a better read on you. I don't see why it's scummy that I'm asking him questions until I have enough information. He may be a newbie (I didn't know this when I first voted him), but that doesn't mean I can't question him. As you can see this is putting me in the spotlight, do you think mafia would do something like this? logic340 said: @Luna, @Red_Salmon, @Ruu, @RE1031, @Floofs, @ironace What is everyone's current read on AbuHumaid? I have a very specific reason for asking this question at this point in time, which I will reveal after I get responses from all of you. I'm still trying to figure him out. He gave me a quite long reply asking back some questions which seems more townish to me. logic340 said: logic340 said: Abu's number 267 gives be very strong town vibes to go along with the early town vibes I got from his entrance. I dare say this bay be the towniest thing (besides his self vote in Robot Mafia) I've ever seen from him?@Luna, @Red_Salmon, @Ruu, @RE1031, @Floofs, @ironace What is everyone's current read on AbuHumaid? I have a very specific reason for asking this question at this point in time, which I will reveal after I get responses from all of you. How is a self vote a townie thing? I've seen self votes before from both mafia and town. But that's one of the most anti-town things I can think of because it doesn't help town. Luna said: Ruu said: logic340 said: Ruu said: I'm not a huge fan of the pre flip Association let's do one at time for now. But since you brought it up why is it you feel you can see Corp/Luna scum team?logic340 said: AbuHumaid said: @Rui thoughts on this? @Floofs you too.Luna said: what's wrong with joining the game late? timezones? Then there's Abu who joined the game late, voted me without giving a reason and when he was asked he said this: AbuHumaid said: logic340 said: it's because what you and RE said, most of her posts are irrelevant to the game yet she's fairly active. only an anti-town would be like that i'm still not sure about her though i want to see more of her + her responseMay I ask why you're voting Luna? RE said "a good number of them don't pertain to this game specifically". I don't think he meant "most" with it. Also, besides my exchanges with ironace, I also had exchanges with logic and Red_Salmon and they were specific to the game. @AbuHumaid: Did you actually read my posts? Do you have any other reasons for voting me? Why did you prefer me over ironace even though his contributions are also lacking? and yeah RE said "good number" which is close enough to "most" why are you arguing about this while missing the whole point? by "irrelevant" i meant that your posts aren't helping town, they seem too casual and yes i read your posts other reasons? you just gave me more, why are you panicking over a vote? i never said i want to lynch you, i honestly didn't want to because you just came back to mafia games so it would be mean but you're not giving me a reason to not suspect you ironace is a newbie, i'm used to him being like that so pushing on him too much is scummy wouldn't you think so? I like Abu's post here. I'm having a really hard time reading people rn... Idk if it's because my head is elsewhere or because everyone is posting in such neutral way... am I the only one having this problem? I can't find scummy posts but I'm also missing townish ones D: Salmon and Luna are not buddies that much I can tell. I like Abu over Luna atm (specially after the post I quoted). What I didn't like about RE was that he was going back and forth with his statements and accusations. One clear example is a post I quoted earlier saying it made me lol. I can see a coro/Luna team atm. vote: Luna apart from what others already stated I want to vote for Luna because of coro's behaviour towards her. If Luna flips scum I'm 100% sure coro is her buddy. What do you think logic? coro keeps defending Luna. Way too much... (why is Luna scummy? she is not scummy... I agree with this post of hers...) I see it as a buddy worried about loosing a teammate so early in the game. You think I'm not scummy but you vote for me to find out coro's alignment? What if I flip town (which I will), you will know nothing about coro because it could be two townies or mafia defending town. It seems you're trying to push for a lynch on me now for very weird reasons, instead of looking at all players and trying to find someone who is actually scummy to you. It's a bit hard for me to believe that you can't find any scummy posts. What do you think about Red_Salmon? Luna said: Players I currently find most suspicious: Red_Salmon: Unvoted Abu without explaining it, hasn't explained it even though people asked him about it. Actually it seems he hasn't been posting here after this. Would like to see his current thoughts on the game because the posts he made before don't tell me much. Ruu: logic asked her to put her vote on one of the trains and she picked me even though she said she didn't find me scummy. This doesn't really make sense to me. Waiting for an answer about this, but so far it seems really weird to me. I still can't really figure out Abu and ironace. But Red_Salmon and Ruu raise more suspicious atm so I'd be willing to move my vote on one of them. Luna said: ironace said: @Luna, what did you gain from asking me in an indirect manner? @coromandel, you still havent said what you got off from our conversation. just a quick heads up i may not be available during phase change and my vote may remain, though luna's reply seems so have cleared up most of my suspicions but now im back to zero. So whos the most scummy right now? unvote I thought that if you're mafia you might say contradicting things or otherwise slip up. You answered pretty calm though and are active now, which removed a lot of my suspicion. What do you think about Red_Salmon and Ruu? Luna said: This game is pretty slow atm and we don't have much time left. Vote: Red_Salmon Why did you unvote Abu? What do you think about Ruu? Luna said: RE1031 said: Not against a Red_Salmon lynch, he hasn't be here contributing + early behavior was scummy null, but I don't like how Luna completely switched gears. It feels like a countertrain to scum, like going after the one player who hasn't been here the longest. I actually don't like lynching a player who isn't here to defend themselves. My vote on him was partly motivated by wanting to see a reaction from Ruu. Seeing if she would still push for me even though she doesn't have good reasons and hearing what she thinks about him. She hasn't reply to me yet though so I can't see much yet. logic340 said: 2. Ok, coo, sorry about this understand..note that you have going and read those posts what are your thoughts on Ruu? See my posts #312 + #313 My Thoughts Page 7: More digging at ace over FOS thing, still on me about how I told ironace to move his vote, says she is down for lynching scum asks for my suspects without telling me hers. IDK if anyone was clear on who they thought was what throughout this game I though that honor would go to me? Digging more at ironace and flips his question about Salmon back at him (this is before she shared her scum!salmon read D1). Says she likes floofs (amai) posts here but doesn't say if that means for town or not. I find it interesting because now it's Amai/Abu scum team? I could almost say this feels like a soft defense of Floof. Will have to see if her opinion on Floofs EoD1 changes later. I know they said they were suspicious of Abu so I want to see how the read progresses D1 considering she's still suspicious of him now. Tells Abu there is nothing wrong with casual posts though her 6 NAI post entrance is what garnered her 5 VOTES. She's been on two people about their contribution but hasn't done much herself. She gave reads on Abu/ironace/logic to this point and has pretty much asked everyone else to share their opinion (correct me if I am wrong). Tells me she is still trying to figure out Abu and asks me how him self-voting was townish. If Luna is scum then Ruu gave her a great place to attack from, I cannot attribute that post to scum but it surely could come from there. The next post where she states her suspicions of Salmon and Ruu is quite interesting though as she has not shown any progression in her reads on ironace and Abu to this point yet they are no longer players she is suspicious of? We should have questioned this more at the time as I see this as posturing for the inevitable self-protection vote on Ruu. Note she found nothing scummy about Ruu prior to Ruu voting coro in an effort to sort Luna. Explains to ironace that he was calm in response to her I guess that means she town or neutral reads him there? Gave her opinion on Ruu and Salmon before asking his is good. Votes salmon in an effort to get an answer says she doesn't like lynching players who aren't here to answer (held true to that D2) but votes Ruu a player who had said she wouldn't be around due to lunch (I believe)? |
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Aug 10, 2017 5:12 AM
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logic340 said: coromandel said: normally I would agree with you but considering we are in lylo this is the perfect time for scum to make that type of move. The timing of the claim after having no behavior for the entire game is what makes me question it everything we needed to win the game just fell right into amai's lap? This us why I want people's thoughts on floofs? If we feel like floof's is town then this information should be trustworthy?And I'm not sure amai would be ballsy enough to fake-claim like this as scum. it's now a her word against ironace's situation, which is something scum tend to avoid. Another thing is how ironace constantly accused people of being TPR. I've seen this happen in other games, where scum accuse people they "suspect" as TPR, because they're already mafia themselves and now said person can't be mafia. I wasn't town-reading floofs earlier, but to me amai's claim vs. ironace's and luna's claim seems more believable. I know you didn't want to talk about claims anymore, but still. >.< Although amai/luna could also be an option, I'm thinking ironace/luna is more likely. ironace said: @coromandel I was kinda taken aback there because people usually tend to scum read me due to a single post. And this time I hadn't even posted so I was like. .. ok... If you want a serious reply...your not getting it :p Why did I not get a serious reply to my question? Why would a townie say this to me? I don't get this at all, because if I was town and someone asked me this, "you're not getting a serious reply" would be the last thing on my mind. ironace said: I support no lynch d1.we can make something work out in the later days but d1 doesn't give enough time to the players to be settled down properly. Also there's usually no valid reason to lynch unless a player is very careless on d1 After I pressured him with my question, he suddenly says he prefers no lynch?? Is still voting for logic though (his rvs vote) and doesn't unvote. So when he said he supports no lynch, it sounds more like self-preservation to me, and not conviction regarding no lynch giving other people "time to be settled down" like he said. ironace said: all caught up-I feel like an idiot -_- as i didnt read it was logic exclusive unvote Infact i was just thinking of voting for luna as well due to her ...dunno..method? of poking me for answers..seeming unnatural from the norm im used to(not that i know of much since i have technically completed only 2 games) Vote:luna this seems like a good place to start. Also, may i ask why do you people get scum vibes from salmon? Togs said: Vote Count 1.4 Luna (4): RE1031, AbuHumaid, Logic340, Ironace Ironace (2): Coromandel, Luna RE1041 (1): Ruu Not Voting (2): Floofs, Red_Salmon Eevee fun fact: Eevee is the most traded Pokemon in the games’ “Wonder Trade” feature. >>Day 1 Timer<< ironace's vote for Luna is actually pretty interesting. He was the 4th person on her train and said: "Infact i was just thinking of voting for luna as well due to her ...dunno..method? of poking me for answers..seeming unnatural from the norm im used to(not that i know of much since i have technically completed only 2 games)" This could be scum bussing their partner. 4th person on the train, emphasizes that he was "just" thinking of voting for luna "as well", like the others. His reason for voting her doesn't make much sense to me. He says her method seems unnatural from the norm he's used to, but with only 2 completed games, that doesn't seem like a strong reason - which he's aware of. So why vote her out of everyone? ironace said: @Luna, what did you gain from asking me in an indirect manner? @coromandel, you still havent said what you got off from our conversation. just a quick heads up i may not be available during phase change and my vote may remain, though luna's reply seems so have cleared up most of my suspicions but now im back to zero. So whos the most scummy right now? unvote This seems so convenient from a scum mindset, unvotes, doesn't vote for anyone else and in the end he isn't responsible for anything that happened during the day. |
Aug 10, 2017 5:14 AM
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logic340 said: @Luna try to look at things from my PoV Though I have tunneled you pretty hard I have moved off twice for others and both times it has ended in town being lynched. This time you don't vote and have a convenient excuse (truth not based on what is not going to argue it) regardless of your alignment. The time you voted Ruu is the most telling thing imo but again it isn't solely attributed to scum alone. My PoE is getting smaller so I will do another VC for D2 and see what kind of conclusion I can reach. |
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Aug 10, 2017 5:17 AM
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logic340 said: logic340 said: can someone talk to me about this please"Everything Luna continued...." Luna said: In my post where I asked about FOS I also asked ironace a question directly which he didn't reply to. Not replying to a question can mean they just honestly didn't see it for some reason, or they did see it but decided to ignore it, trying to avoid giving a bad answer if they're not town. I wanted to know what's the case here. The way he replied now makes me think he didn't see my post. logic340 said: Luna said: ironace said: Luna said: ironace said: Oh yeah..@logic340 what is FOS? Edit...I hate my autocorect Edit..just saw the above post. @ironace: Did you see that I had asked this question before? I saw the post later on. If you saw it later, why didn't you reply to my question I had in the same post? Or did I miss something? logic340 said: ironace said: @Luna you guys posted literally like 1 minute apart. Why does him asking this question catch your interest?Luna said: ironace said: Oh yeah..@logic340 what is FOS? Edit...I hate my autocorect Edit..just saw the above post. @ironace: Did you see that I had asked this question before? I saw the post later on. I posted the actual question several minutes before this happened, in a post where I also addressed him directly. When I posted 1 minute before him I just said thanks to your answer. I just wanted to find out if he actually read my other post. logic340 said: What do you expect from him when you ask him to contribute more? Answering questions he was asked and trying to work out the game (people have different methods but he didn't do much before). logic340 said: So from experience when posts are lacking is that coming from Mafia who are struggling to hide amongst the town or townies getting themselves into trouble. What does ironace's lack of contribution mean for his alignment? Do you think he is going to sit back and not do anything as scum? Sounds counterproductive to me. Just saying that his contribution isn't enough really isn't doing it for me because something similar could be said about your early contribution and was. With Abu I feel just like Salmon does. Talk to him and his alignment will reveal itself. He's been like an open book lately. Not sure how he got mislynched in Robot Mafia. So I will give him some time to show me what he is working with. I saw enough players who did not much as mafia (as well as town, so yeah, it's not alignment indicative). I actually compared ironace's early contributions to mine in the sentence, but I want to know from Abu why he chose me and not ironace. And sure, I will talk to Abu, that's why I asked him all these questions. logic340 said: 1. How does brining up no lynch early harm town? It's something I feel that players here view negatively without really thinking about the pros and cons of a no lynch for each actual alignment. Why would it encourage people to sit back and do nothing when I have stated that we need to get out in front and catch the mafia? Why would I talk about no lynch making people feel at ease like they don't have to do anything then turn around and try to get everyone active? You say it can slow the game down why am I doing the opposite then by posting as much as I have trying to get people engaged and talking about one another? Is that the scum approach to making a No Lynch happen D1? Talking and getting people engaged is great, yes. I was mostly talking about the voting. If we're mostly talking and not voting there won't be a lot of pressure (people react differently to questions depending on if they're pressured or not, so it's helpful). In this game everyone who is active has already placed at least one vote though, so doesn't really apply here. Actually this game is a lot more active than the games I used to play. So some of my views and experience I have might actually a bit outdated. logic340 said: 2. Why would I encourage him to vote for people I though were null, town, or didn't have enough information on? Should I have been encouraging him to join your train? Like I said, everyone should form their own opinions. What's the point of telling someone to vote for player X? You can bring your case against player X and if someone agrees they will join the train. But telling someone to vote player X seems just fishy to me. 1. Sorry about that you did post the question on page 1. Now it still brings me to my question what does him missing it or asking the question again tell you about his alignment? 2. No he didn't do much before but to be fair it was like somewhere between 1am and 2am on that side of the world. I thought he was asleep before then. Now that he is back we should try to get him more engaged. I know a lot of players who don't like asking questions. Karote is a great example of this even as Conf!Town that guy barely contributes at least in a way we would really consider contribution. Everyone brings their own methods it's up to us to figure them out. If someone gets lynched for the same reasons every game is it their fault or the people lynching them? 3. Well I will look forward to Abu's answer there and it's a decent question should lead some interactions between you both. 4. Even in this current MS meta I think some of the views are outdated which is why I like to play around with NL. It's something that generally causes a reaction in town and scum either stay away or jump on trying to look townie. This is where I start looking at motive as opposed to just which side you are on. 5. While I agree these is a bit of democracy going on here. So sometimes there needs to be compromise. Also if we all come to our own conclusions and that lands us on 9 different people with 1 vote each what did we achieve? So yes I will always s encourage people to vote with me when I am confident in my reads. I surely wouldn't want him voting a town read would I? 1. See my reply to coro above ^ 2. I know that it was late for him and I only said it would be better if he contributed more from now on. I know people have different methods but refusing to work things out isn't a method I think is good. If town stays low they make themselves suspicious which helps mafia because people focus on these players then. 4. I can't say anything about the current MS meta because I didn't even read any recent games, so I will just see how things are going here now. 5. My problem was the way how you said it. It was really pushy and didn't let him room to come to his own conclusions. Since you seem to be confirmed townie now I will drop this here because it doesn't make much sense to continue this. Luna said: logic340 said: Luna said: All that lynch proves is the person was town. What if everyone on the lynch train was town. Sure we can look through the train but it really doesn't help us anymore or less than going through any other train after any other flip. People have argued that a NK doesn't offer as much information but everything that happens offers information it's just whether we figure it out or not. I like to use VCA but honestly they only really work near end game after you have 4 dead townies in them or if you catch scum and use them afterwards to find partners. I can rely on my ability but only as it helps me to assist town or give town information. I was a redirector once and knew I was going to fuck with town results so I gave up my role so that town could figure things out without being confused. I will end up doing the same thing here it's just a matter of when. I am looking for the opportune time. Though it may have passed since I am not facing any real pressure here.logic340 said: Luna said: logic340 said: Luna said: in many cases my town win percentage sits at maybe 40% my mafia win percentage is 80.%. Mislynches are what basis need for quick victory..Why hero them with a lynch for possible information? Especially in a role madness game where we could potentially be lynching a investigative pr? Again not advocating for No Lynch but we need to get after it if we're going to give ourselves a better option. logic340 said: Yes and no...I am pro lynch D1 but I am not down for any old lynch. If I feel that the lynch is on mafia or will actually provide town with information then cool. I mostly want people to know that it is a voting option and one I would choose over CFD and possibly lynching town at the EoD. Why you may ask? Because i feel like lengthening the game is very disadvantageous for mafia. If you like we can discuss why I feel NL has merits, if and only if, we cannot come to some sort of consensus on what we feel is a scum lynch option. This isn't set in stone every game brings it's different challenges but yeah. I also feel that RVS isn't need so this is my way of working around it. In what case would a lynch not provide town with information? Thoughts on Ruu and Salmon? The thing is, if someone gets lynched on D1 and an alignment is revealed, you can work much better from there on the following day(s) because you can start making better connections between players. Otherwise you will still have much less information on D2, which benefits the mafia. And yes, in role madness people have abilities to find out things during night. But these do not necessarily help a lot (people could die, be blocked, abilities redirected, framed etc. etc.). To me it seems better to work out the game with the information that's open in the thread which includes votes and the results of a lynch. But that's just my opinion. Ruu and Red_Salmon are neutral to me at the moment. Ruu hasn't said too much yet so can't say much about her, but nothing really seemed bad to me. I don't know her meta, so help me here please: What did she say or do in this game that made her suspicious to you? In your reasoning for voting here it reads to me like you're voting her for meta reasons but as I don't know these other games I don't really understand. About Red_Salmon, when I asked if everyone had played mafia before, he didn't just reply to my question but also asked me something about this game, which I liked. Gave me the feeling he's not just here to write fluff. I don't understand why he unvoted Abu though, especially after Abu's weird appearance. @Red_Salmon: Why did you unvote Abu? If a lynch doesn't happen and a night kill does we get pretty much the same information though. Again based on my experience mislynches don't actually give town much information other than the person who flipped. I found that in Robot Mafia town didn't use the information to their advantage not that it isn't there so how do you make sure we use the information from a mislynch in a productive way? I would rather save a life and keep mafia away front heir wincon then to give them a life for possible information. I feel like you defeated your own argument with the bolded because isn't all of that information that will at some point be available. Mafia only get 1 night kill they cannot restrict our information as much as you are letting on. I caught her bending the truth which is something I feel benefits mafia more than town. though she did admit to it which makes me feel a bit better but that is how she got me last time doing things I didn't expect scum to do. There's also the fact that she hasn't really given a read on me when I know she is good at reading me. She nails me as scum it's happened multiple times. Red_Salmon just got out of a game with Town Abu. I have played two games with town Abu recently and his weird appearance is pretty much just Abu. Not really enough to go either way but his first post honestly gave me town Abu vibes. If someone flips and you know their alignment upon death you can make a VCA (vote count analysis). This can help find the non town related players. Sure you can analyze the votes even if someone doesn't get lynched, but since you don't know their alignment there's not much you can do with it, vca gets more effective the more information about dead players is known. Considering the small setup there's probably 2 mafia and 1 tpr and they all have abilities. Some town roles might also have abilities that can for example block or redirect and they might use it on another townie. I generally don't like relying too much on abilities in games, especially when they're not known like here. Could you give me the posts in which Ruu said these things? "Could you give me the posts in which Ruu said these things?" - What do you mean? What did I say about Ruu here? Anyway I am not going for no lynch I am going for a scum lynch care to join me? Yeah like I said, VCA gets more effective later, but if there's no lynch it takes just longer. I meant that you said you caught Ruu bending the truth and I wasn't sure what this was about, so I asked you to link me to the posts. But I already found them now, so nevermind my question. Sure, I'm all for lynching scum today. Who are your current suspects and why? Luna said: ironace said: all caught up-I feel like an idiot -_- as i didnt read it was logic exclusive unvote Infact i was just thinking of voting for luna as well due to her ...dunno..method? of poking me for answers..seeming unnatural from the norm im used to(not that i know of much since i have technically completed only 2 games) Vote:luna this seems like a good place to start. I was trying to find out your alignment, asking questions is a key element for doing it. I could have asked you directly if you had read my post but I decided to ask in an indirect way because I thought maybe I would get more information like this. ironace said: ill ask again, why are you guys suspicious of salmon?OR am i missing something? Let's turn this question around, what do you think about Red_Salmon so far? Luna said: RE1031 said: Luna said: @AbuHumaid: Did you actually read my posts? Do you have any other reasons for voting me? Why did you prefer me over ironace even though his contributions are also lacking? How do you feel about Floofs? I'd say she's contributing less than both. Floofs hasn't said much before you asked the question, but she posted more now. Her early posts don't look scummy to me but they kind of gave me the feeling she's trying to stay in the background. I like the posts she made later, she is engaging more with other players. Not sure about her vote and the reasoning though, it didn't seem to me like a big deal. Luna said: AbuHumaid said: Luna said: what's wrong with joining the game late? timezones? Then there's Abu who joined the game late, voted me without giving a reason and when he was asked he said this: AbuHumaid said: logic340 said: it's because what you and RE said, most of her posts are irrelevant to the game yet she's fairly active. only an anti-town would be like that i'm still not sure about her though i want to see more of her + her responseMay I ask why you're voting Luna? RE said "a good number of them don't pertain to this game specifically". I don't think he meant "most" with it. Also, besides my exchanges with ironace, I also had exchanges with logic and Red_Salmon and they were specific to the game. @AbuHumaid: Did you actually read my posts? Do you have any other reasons for voting me? Why did you prefer me over ironace even though his contributions are also lacking? and yeah RE said "good number" which is close enough to "most" why are you arguing about this while missing the whole point? by "irrelevant" i meant that your posts aren't helping town, they seem too casual and yes i read your posts other reasons? you just gave me more, why are you panicking over a vote? i never said i want to lynch you, i honestly didn't want to because you just came back to mafia games so it would be mean but you're not giving me a reason to not suspect you ironace is a newbie, i'm used to him being like that so pushing on him too much is scummy wouldn't you think so? Nothing is wrong with it, I was just saying that you weren't here in the game in the beginning. Casual posts are not necessarily irrelevant. They can still help in one way or the other. Since I hadn't played with most people here I wanted to get a feeling for them. I'm not panicking over a vote, what makes you think I am? I'm only asking you questions to find out what you're thinking so I can get a better read on you. I don't see why it's scummy that I'm asking him questions until I have enough information. He may be a newbie (I didn't know this when I first voted him), but that doesn't mean I can't question him. As you can see this is putting me in the spotlight, do you think mafia would do something like this? logic340 said: @Luna, @Red_Salmon, @Ruu, @RE1031, @Floofs, @ironace What is everyone's current read on AbuHumaid? I have a very specific reason for asking this question at this point in time, which I will reveal after I get responses from all of you. I'm still trying to figure him out. He gave me a quite long reply asking back some questions which seems more townish to me. logic340 said: logic340 said: Abu's number 267 gives be very strong town vibes to go along with the early town vibes I got from his entrance. I dare say this bay be the towniest thing (besides his self vote in Robot Mafia) I've ever seen from him?@Luna, @Red_Salmon, @Ruu, @RE1031, @Floofs, @ironace What is everyone's current read on AbuHumaid? I have a very specific reason for asking this question at this point in time, which I will reveal after I get responses from all of you. How is a self vote a townie thing? I've seen self votes before from both mafia and town. But that's one of the most anti-town things I can think of because it doesn't help town. Luna said: Ruu said: logic340 said: Ruu said: I'm not a huge fan of the pre flip Association let's do one at time for now. But since you brought it up why is it you feel you can see Corp/Luna scum team?logic340 said: AbuHumaid said: @Rui thoughts on this? @Floofs you too.Luna said: what's wrong with joining the game late? timezones? Then there's Abu who joined the game late, voted me without giving a reason and when he was asked he said this: AbuHumaid said: logic340 said: it's because what you and RE said, most of her posts are irrelevant to the game yet she's fairly active. only an anti-town would be like that i'm still not sure about her though i want to see more of her + her responseMay I ask why you're voting Luna? RE said "a good number of them don't pertain to this game specifically". I don't think he meant "most" with it. Also, besides my exchanges with ironace, I also had exchanges with logic and Red_Salmon and they were specific to the game. @AbuHumaid: Did you actually read my posts? Do you have any other reasons for voting me? Why did you prefer me over ironace even though his contributions are also lacking? and yeah RE said "good number" which is close enough to "most" why are you arguing about this while missing the whole point? by "irrelevant" i meant that your posts aren't helping town, they seem too casual and yes i read your posts other reasons? you just gave me more, why are you panicking over a vote? i never said i want to lynch you, i honestly didn't want to because you just came back to mafia games so it would be mean but you're not giving me a reason to not suspect you ironace is a newbie, i'm used to him being like that so pushing on him too much is scummy wouldn't you think so? I like Abu's post here. I'm having a really hard time reading people rn... Idk if it's because my head is elsewhere or because everyone is posting in such neutral way... am I the only one having this problem? I can't find scummy posts but I'm also missing townish ones D: Salmon and Luna are not buddies that much I can tell. I like Abu over Luna atm (specially after the post I quoted). What I didn't like about RE was that he was going back and forth with his statements and accusations. One clear example is a post I quoted earlier saying it made me lol. I can see a coro/Luna team atm. vote: Luna apart from what others already stated I want to vote for Luna because of coro's behaviour towards her. If Luna flips scum I'm 100% sure coro is her buddy. What do you think logic? coro keeps defending Luna. Way too much... (why is Luna scummy? she is not scummy... I agree with this post of hers...) I see it as a buddy worried about loosing a teammate so early in the game. You think I'm not scummy but you vote for me to find out coro's alignment? What if I flip town (which I will), you will know nothing about coro because it could be two townies or mafia defending town. It seems you're trying to push for a lynch on me now for very weird reasons, instead of looking at all players and trying to find someone who is actually scummy to you. It's a bit hard for me to believe that you can't find any scummy posts. What do you think about Red_Salmon? Luna said: Players I currently find most suspicious: Red_Salmon: Unvoted Abu without explaining it, hasn't explained it even though people asked him about it. Actually it seems he hasn't been posting here after this. Would like to see his current thoughts on the game because the posts he made before don't tell me much. Ruu: logic asked her to put her vote on one of the trains and she picked me even though she said she didn't find me scummy. This doesn't really make sense to me. Waiting for an answer about this, but so far it seems really weird to me. I still can't really figure out Abu and ironace. But Red_Salmon and Ruu raise more suspicious atm so I'd be willing to move my vote on one of them. Luna said: ironace said: @Luna, what did you gain from asking me in an indirect manner? @coromandel, you still havent said what you got off from our conversation. just a quick heads up i may not be available during phase change and my vote may remain, though luna's reply seems so have cleared up most of my suspicions but now im back to zero. So whos the most scummy right now? unvote I thought that if you're mafia you might say contradicting things or otherwise slip up. You answered pretty calm though and are active now, which removed a lot of my suspicion. What do you think about Red_Salmon and Ruu? Luna said: This game is pretty slow atm and we don't have much time left. Vote: Red_Salmon Why did you unvote Abu? What do you think about Ruu? Luna said: RE1031 said: Not against a Red_Salmon lynch, he hasn't be here contributing + early behavior was scummy null, but I don't like how Luna completely switched gears. It feels like a countertrain to scum, like going after the one player who hasn't been here the longest. I actually don't like lynching a player who isn't here to defend themselves. My vote on him was partly motivated by wanting to see a reaction from Ruu. Seeing if she would still push for me even though she doesn't have good reasons and hearing what she thinks about him. She hasn't reply to me yet though so I can't see much yet. logic340 said: 2. Ok, coo, sorry about this understand..note that you have going and read those posts what are your thoughts on Ruu? See my posts #312 + #313 My Thoughts Page 7: More digging at ace over FOS thing, still on me about how I told ironace to move his vote, says she is down for lynching scum asks for my suspects without telling me hers. IDK if anyone was clear on who they thought was what throughout this game I though that honor would go to me? Digging more at ironace and flips his question about Salmon back at him (this is before she shared her scum!salmon read D1). Says she likes floofs (amai) posts here but doesn't say if that means for town or not. I find it interesting because now it's Amai/Abu scum team? I could almost say this feels like a soft defense of Floof. Will have to see if her opinion on Floofs EoD1 changes later. I know they said they were suspicious of Abu so I want to see how the read progresses D1 considering she's still suspicious of him now. Tells Abu there is nothing wrong with casual posts though her 6 NAI post entrance is what garnered her 5 VOTES. She's been on two people about their contribution but hasn't done much herself. She gave reads on Abu/ironace/logic to this point and has pretty much asked everyone else to share their opinion (correct me if I am wrong). Tells me she is still trying to figure out Abu and asks me how him self-voting was townish. If Luna is scum then Ruu gave her a great place to attack from, I cannot attribute that post to scum but it surely could come from there. The next post where she states her suspicions of Salmon and Ruu is quite interesting though as she has not shown any progression in her reads on ironace and Abu to this point yet they are no longer players she is suspicious of? We should have questioned this more at the time as I see this as posturing for the inevitable self-protection vote on Ruu. Note she found nothing scummy about Ruu prior to Ruu voting coro in an effort to sort Luna. Explains to ironace that he was calm in response to her I guess that means she town or neutral reads him there? Gave her opinion on Ruu and Salmon before asking his is good. Votes salmon in an effort to get an answer says she doesn't like lynching players who aren't here to answer (held true to that D2) but votes Ruu a player who had said she wouldn't be around due to lunch (I believe)? lol.. my head is spinning after reading this. x3 I'll come back to this later, logic. |
Aug 10, 2017 5:35 AM
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logic340 said: @coromandelFloofs said: Red_Salmon said: logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: Well I hope you will work with me to keep him more active so that we can get an early read off him and not have to be messing around with his read late into D2 or D3. What does his level of aggression this game have to do with anything? Do you think it will point towards his alignment?logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: How do you plan on sorting him out? Will you work with me to keep him active as possible?Confirming role PM~ vote: @AbuHumaid Lol! The fact that you lynch locked yourself was hilarious xD Well he said he loves role madness, plus he's getting off from a heated point from his other game. He might be more agressive this game. Who knows. Well I haven't played with him before (other than the ongoing) so I can't really say if his aggressiveness is allignment indicative in itself. However I do believe we'd be able to sort him once we actually have a significant interaction with him. Edit: o yea and I'd definitely help you keep him active :p I have never seen Abu be aggressive in a game. It would be interesting to see, but that doesn't go with their play style. Abu's play style is low key so the best way to get a read on Abu is to ask them questions and interact with them. Floofs said: logic340 said: Best plan for D1 is to be active and make on topic posts. Talk about the players because that's where we'll catch mafia slipping. Ironace is lhf (low hanging fruit) to me but coro and Luna haven't played with him and don't know that so the the of them are all pretty null right now. RE pocketed me hard in the morning after she'll get similar treatment to Ruu early. The FoS on Ruu isn't going anywhere. Going to take my time reading get this game. I like Salmon's post #71 keys see if I continue to like his posts. @Floofs thoughts on the early game? Why did you have an FoS on Ruu? Is your only suspicion of Ruu early game based on meta? Floofs said: RE1031 said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: What do you mean by "go after" coro? In what way? Do you think she is scum or do you just want to pressure her in an attempt to sort her out? Why not vote coro and encourage others to vote there with you? vote: Luna Let's try this. I think I'd prefer to go after coro, but you know, trains. I am just a little uncomfortable with reading ironace off of "slips." And like logic says, he is low hanging fruit. I mean to go after coro by voting her, but I don't have a strong case, and I prefer to go after someone who already has votes on them (I feel it's more productive that way). The reason I had my eye on both of them was the ironace deal, but coro was more involved, so that's what I meant by "prefer." But, Luna actually hasn't said much, so I now prefer this vote more anyway. This doesn't make any sense to me. By prefer, it sounds like you mean that you have a stronger scum lean on coro than luna. Wouldn't you vote your stronger scum lean? 1. NAI entrance post talking about never seeing Abu be aggressive (which is funny since he has been here). 2. Questions me and RE and while I like it because she got straight into things instead of fluffing around this can come from either alignment. Floofs said: logic340 said: Floofs said: Hey Floofs, how ya doing? Thoughts on Abu's entrance into this game? Thoughts on RE and my interactions last night? Any thoughts on Luna so far? I kind of want to vote there but I need to look over her again.Red_Salmon said: logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: Well I hope you will work with me to keep him more active so that we can get an early read off him and not have to be messing around with his read late into D2 or D3. What does his level of aggression this game have to do with anything? Do you think it will point towards his alignment?logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: How do you plan on sorting him out? Will you work with me to keep him active as possible?Confirming role PM~ vote: @AbuHumaid Lol! The fact that you lynch locked yourself was hilarious xD Well he said he loves role madness, plus he's getting off from a heated point from his other game. He might be more agressive this game. Who knows. Well I haven't played with him before (other than the ongoing) so I can't really say if his aggressiveness is allignment indicative in itself. However I do believe we'd be able to sort him once we actually have a significant interaction with him. Edit: o yea and I'd definitely help you keep him active :p Red_Salmon said: logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: Well I hope you will work with me to keep him more active so that we can get an early read off him and not have to be messing around with his read late into D2 or D3. What does his level of aggression this game have to do with anything? Do you think it will point towards his alignment?logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: How do you plan on sorting him out? Will you work with me to keep him active as possible?Confirming role PM~ vote: @AbuHumaid Lol! The fact that you lynch locked yourself was hilarious xD Well he said he loves role madness, plus he's getting off from a heated point from his other game. He might be more agressive this game. Who knows. Well I haven't played with him before (other than the ongoing) so I can't really say if his aggressiveness is allignment indicative in itself. However I do believe we'd be able to sort him once we actually have a significant interaction with him. Edit: o yea and I'd definitely help you keep him active :p I have never seen Abu be aggressive in a game. It would be interesting to see, but that doesn't go with their play style. Abu's play style is low key so the best way to get a read on Abu is to ask them questions and interact with them. I'm okay. It would have been nice for Abu to give a reason for the vote without being asked why, but that is typical of Abu's play style. I don't like Re's replies to your posts last night. In 110, Re doesn't answer your question. Their reply felt like they were unsure of how to answer your question even though it is a straightforward question. In 113, Re whats to know why you are asking the question. Re comes off as paranoid for no reason. Luna is a neutral. Floofs said: Vote: Re1031 RE1031 said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: before I go into why I asked you this question is this a serious answer?logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: @RE1031 how do you feel about this post. Yes, I have a reason for asking you specifically..I'd like for you to tell me what you think that is.logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: Well I hope you will work with me to keep him more active so that we can get an early read off him and not have to be messing around with his read late into D2 or D3. What does his level of aggression this game have to do with anything? Do you think it will point towards his alignment?logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: How do you plan on sorting him out? Will you work with me to keep him active as possible?Confirming role PM~ vote: @AbuHumaid Lol! The fact that you lynch locked yourself was hilarious xD Well he said he loves role madness, plus he's getting off from a heated point from his other game. He might be more agressive this game. Who knows. Well I haven't played with him before (other than the ongoing) so I can't really say if his aggressiveness is allignment indicative in itself. However I do believe we'd be able to sort him once we actually have a significant interaction with him. Edit: o yea and I'd definitely help you keep him active :p Um, Red_Salmon/Abu team? Lol. edit: Oh, is it because of my semi town lean on Red_Salmon? Before it wasn't. Now it is. Because it actually sounds like Red_Salmon wants to keep Abu from being lynched by making him be active. And now that I'm taking a closer look Red_Salmon wasn't actually defending ironace. More like questioning the person making the read, not the read itself. I'm scared. Why are you asking me this? ^^' Why didn't you give logic a straightforward answer when they asked how you felt about the post and why are you scared about someone asking you a question? Floofs said: Re and salmon. Re isn't being straightforward with logic's questions in post 113. Salmon didn't answer logic's questions about how they plan out sorting out Abu in post 24. They also said that they would help keep Abu active, but they haven't been doing that. Floofs said: RE1031 said: Floofs said: RE1031 said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: What do you mean by "go after" coro? In what way? Do you think she is scum or do you just want to pressure her in an attempt to sort her out? Why not vote coro and encourage others to vote there with you? vote: Luna Let's try this. I think I'd prefer to go after coro, but you know, trains. I am just a little uncomfortable with reading ironace off of "slips." And like logic says, he is low hanging fruit. I mean to go after coro by voting her, but I don't have a strong case, and I prefer to go after someone who already has votes on them (I feel it's more productive that way). The reason I had my eye on both of them was the ironace deal, but coro was more involved, so that's what I meant by "prefer." But, Luna actually hasn't said much, so I now prefer this vote more anyway. This doesn't make any sense to me. By prefer, it sounds like you mean that you have a stronger scum lean on coro than luna. Wouldn't you vote your stronger scum lean? Both were not very strong, and both had similar reasons for me to be voting for them at the time. I found the pressure on ironace strange because they were going after wordplay and not his reads, and while coro was the main player pressuring him, Luna shared the same thoughts. Like I said, I think it's more effective to vote for someone who already has votes on them. coromandel said: "Does scum start off by questioning another player's scum read on someone else? Not unless they're trying to defend a buddy, but I find an ironace/Red_Salmon team unlikely at the moment because probability." I disagree - scum often defend townies and critize other people's scum-reads, just to later say "I told you so" when they've died. It makes them look innocent. But the truth is, the mafia knows who is town so it's easy for them to town-read others and avoid taking part in a mislynch. It's often townies who are leading the lynches, because they aren't afraid of being on a train. Whereas scum tend to be hesitant because they don't want to be the ones who "lynched a townie". And what do you mean by "because probability"? Probability of someone being scum in this game is probably ~33%, a team is less so, when you ignore things like overall behavior, because there really wasn't a lot to go on. I had no reason to believe of a Red_Salmon/ironace team. The situation was also different from what I saw, I thought Red_Salmon was dismissing the read, but he already said he wasn't (just stating his surprise). And I feel that's only sometimes the case. Since scum have to be okay with lynching townies in the end, and too much defense may actually prevent a lynch. Or if Red_Salmon had been actually defending ironace - the timing was improper and he'd be shutting down a potential lynch target (but yeah, that was not the case). coromandel said: RE1031 said: vote: Luna Let's try this. I think I'd prefer to go after coro, but you know, trains. I am just a little uncomfortable with reading ironace off of "slips." And like logic says, he is low hanging fruit. @Luna I wouldn't call your posts fluff (although some are), but a good number of them don't pertain to this game specifically, except for the thing with ironace. Do you have any town leans at the moment? And scum leans? ___ Damn, I referenced another game. A necessary evil. Maybe not. Oh well... Why are you uncomfortable with it? Because you think he's low hanging fruit? Or is there another reason? I never said that I'm 100% sure he's scum, but I've definitely learned something from his replies - that he's being rather defensive. Whether that's because he's a newbie or scum is something I'm curious to find out. Both that he's low hanging fruit and you were creating a scenario where he'd appear scummy. It does kind of remind me of how you were going after yurkin day 1 of The Morning After for not talking about her own gameplay, but you were town there, so perhaps it's just a difference in playstyle. Ruu said: I'm leaning town with you atm and the person I'm getting scum vibes from (every time I read their posts I can't help myself but think "scum!" is RE. I think he is all over the place, going back an forth, panicking... Do you still town read him? I don't have a good read on the others for now. vote: RE1031 Please point out to where I'm doing these things. The way someone words or phrases something can indicate alignment. The article that Lucian posted in TMA gave some examples of this. Floofs said: logic340 said: AbuHumaid said: @Rui thoughts on this? @Floofs you too.Luna said: what's wrong with joining the game late? timezones? Then there's Abu who joined the game late, voted me without giving a reason and when he was asked he said this: AbuHumaid said: logic340 said: it's because what you and RE said, most of her posts are irrelevant to the game yet she's fairly active. only an anti-town would be like that i'm still not sure about her though i want to see more of her + her responseMay I ask why you're voting Luna? RE said "a good number of them don't pertain to this game specifically". I don't think he meant "most" with it. Also, besides my exchanges with ironace, I also had exchanges with logic and Red_Salmon and they were specific to the game. @AbuHumaid: Did you actually read my posts? Do you have any other reasons for voting me? Why did you prefer me over ironace even though his contributions are also lacking? and yeah RE said "good number" which is close enough to "most" why are you arguing about this while missing the whole point? by "irrelevant" i meant that your posts aren't helping town, they seem too casual and yes i read your posts other reasons? you just gave me more, why are you panicking over a vote? i never said i want to lynch you, i honestly didn't want to because you just came back to mafia games so it would be mean but you're not giving me a reason to not suspect you ironace is a newbie, i'm used to him being like that so pushing on him too much is scummy wouldn't you think so? I really like this post. Abu states and defends their reasoning for voting luna. Reminds me of how they played in TMA. logic340 said: @Luna, @Red_Salmon, @Ruu, @RE1031, @Floofs, @ironace What is everyone's current read on AbuHumaid? I have a very specific reason for asking this question at this point in time, which I will reveal after I get responses from all of you. Town lean Edit: added second quote to post Floofs said: RE1031 said: Floofs said: I'm okay. It would have been nice for Abu to give a reason for the vote without being asked why, but that is typical of Abu's play style. I don't like Re's replies to your posts last night. In 110, Re doesn't answer your question. Their reply felt like they were unsure of how to answer your question even though it is a straightforward question. In 113, Re whats to know why you are asking the question. Re comes off as paranoid for no reason. Luna is a neutral. I did answer his question though. How would you respond to it, if my response was scummy? You didn't actually answer the question. You replied to the question with question marks like you were unsure of how to answer instead of giving an straightforward answer. Floofs said: RE1031 said: Floofs said: Re and salmon. Re isn't being straightforward with logic's questions in post 113. Salmon didn't answer logic's questions about how they plan out sorting out Abu in post 24. They also said that they would help keep Abu active, but they haven't been doing that. Can you explain how my answers weren't straightforward? And that is pure shade. logic has already asked Abu plenty of questions, I can't control whether another player has been active or not. And Abu has been more active than you. I stated in in post 296. You are also misrepresenting what I said. Logic asked Salmon to help keep Abu active in post 24. Has Salmon been keeping Abu active like logic asked? No. I don't know where you got the idea that it was about logic. Salmon agreed to do something and hasn't done it. Thats why I am calling them out for it. Floofs said: @Re1031 post 297 RE1031 said: logic340 said: RE1031 said: before I go into why I asked you this question is this a serious answer?logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: @RE1031 how do you feel about this post. Yes, I have a reason for asking you specifically..I'd like for you to tell me what you think that is.logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: Well I hope you will work with me to keep him more active so that we can get an early read off him and not have to be messing around with his read late into D2 or D3. What does his level of aggression this game have to do with anything? Do you think it will point towards his alignment?logic340 said: Red_Salmon said: How do you plan on sorting him out? Will you work with me to keep him active as possible?Confirming role PM~ vote: @AbuHumaid Lol! The fact that you lynch locked yourself was hilarious xD Well he said he loves role madness, plus he's getting off from a heated point from his other game. He might be more agressive this game. Who knows. Well I haven't played with him before (other than the ongoing) so I can't really say if his aggressiveness is allignment indicative in itself. However I do believe we'd be able to sort him once we actually have a significant interaction with him. Edit: o yea and I'd definitely help you keep him active :p Um, Red_Salmon/Abu team? Lol. edit: Oh, is it because of my semi town lean on Red_Salmon? Before it wasn't. Now it is. Because it actually sounds like Red_Salmon wants to keep Abu from being lynched by making him be active. And now that I'm taking a closer look Red_Salmon wasn't actually defending ironace. More like questioning the person making the read, not the read itself. I'm scared. Why are you asking me this? ^^' I placed your text in bold from your reply to logic. If you were sure of your answer you wouldn't have used question marks. It shows that you are unsure of your answer to a simple question. If you did not understand the question, which I don't see how, then you should have asked. Being unsure of how to answer things comes from a scum mindset that is trying not to stand out and to appease town. Edit: bbcode 1. Answers my question about RE and Abu. Notes nothing out of the ordinary with Abu. Starts in with how she feel about my interactions with RE early D1. 2. Votes RE and asks her about her interaction with me. I agreed with Floofs side of this. Feels genuinely town to me as things progress. 3. Tells Coro she is suspicious of RE and Salmon (both flipped town). RE for stated reasons and Salmon for not answering my question and not following up with Abu. 4. Explains to RE about the wording she is using is setting up a red flag, references TMA. Pretty NAI post. 5. Says Abu reminds her of his town game (meta town read). Likes his reasoning for voting Luna (this kind of sucks since Amai feels differently). Not much reasoning for this read other than meta would have like more so it's kind of NAI. @Amai_yume did you see Abu's day 1 reasoning for voting Luna D1 that the previous holder of you slot did like? 6. Continues digging at RE, doesn't feel scum motivated but looking back not as townie as I originally thought? 7. I like this one too bad Salmon and Floof weren't able to have an interactions due to their activity. Townie post? 8. I really liked this post and still do. It made me look at that interaction with RE differently and what Floofs was saying is how I felt and still feel about it about it now. I guess RE could have given scum something to pick at there but it doesn't feel scum motivated. Amai_yume said: Hello. Reading up on the past few pages now. Amai_yume said: logic340 said: while I do like the initiative could you please take some time to share your thoughts on what you've read so far? I think you have been slight town and it's mainly due to your tone. It feels genuine and so does Luna with her thought out posts. 2. I find this one very interesting. My first though is they must town read Luna (which they do). I asked multiple times why they chose Abu and didn't get a response. I could read a lot into this post but suffice to say if they flipped scum I will be looking at the Luna very quickly (and vice versa). 3. Reads me town off tone and reads Luna town off though process and sounding genuine. Amai_yume said: Busy mornings usually and not around till noon >.<! I've said what I feel so far already. Outside of that I was unsure of red, but he flipped town. Amai_yume said: logic340 said: logic340 said: @Amai_yume could you answer this for me?Why ask Abu this question? What are your thoughts on Luna? What are your thoughts on Abu? Also just so you know I am confirmed town I think Luna is townie as I said earlier, her analysis shows a town mindset to me. I'm kind of unsure with Abu since I don't like his vote on Luna earlier. Amai_yume said: logic340 said: Amai_yume said: what in particular about her analysis says town? Have you gone over any of my posts about her day one?logic340 said: logic340 said: @Amai_yume could you answer this for me?Why ask Abu this question? What are your thoughts on Luna? What are your thoughts on Abu? Also just so you know I am confirmed town I think Luna is townie as I said earlier, her analysis shows a town mindset to me. I'm kind of unsure with Abu since I don't like his vote on Luna earlier. She explains her thoughts well and I for one think her tone is genuine. Yes, I have. 1. NAI post mentions Salmon flipping town. 2. Reiterates why they feel that Luna is town off tone, though process, and mindset. Still no examples or in-depth explanation. Says they don't trust Abu due to his earlier vote on Luna. This is strange because ironace and coro both voted Luna (with less reasoning I believe) as well. Possible Whiteknighting? Really feels Luna is town? 3. Again further reiterates about tone and sounding genuine from Luna. Says they have read my posts on Luna but have not debated with me over our differing opinions. As I stated before I feel there is a slight case for Floofs possibly being scum but it's going to take all of us to get what we need out of Amai in order to find out. I am not as sold on town!Floofs as I was to start D2 but I am not sold on scum!Floofs by any mans either. |
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Aug 10, 2017 5:36 AM
#943
logic340 said: @coromandel, @Luna, @Amai_yumeI was hoping someone else would have posted while I was working on this. ironace said: What?already?I don't think I stand out to get a vote so early.. vote: logic340 Just cause 1. So now that we have had 2 days to digest it we should look at this reaction again? I still think it's pretty NAI but probably comes from town? Votes for me RVS NAI as well. ironace said: @coromandel I was kinda taken aback there because people usually tend to scum read me due to a single post. And this time I hadn't even posted so I was like. .. ok... If you want a serious reply...your not getting it :p ironace said: logic340 said: ironace said: Hey he's not asleep. Could yo uanser my questions from post #19 when you get a chance?@coromandel I was kinda taken aback there because people usually tend to scum read me due to a single post. And this time I hadn't even posted so I was like. .. ok... If you want a serious reply...your not getting it :p ironace said: Oh yeah..@logic340 what is FOS? Edit...I hate my autocorrect Edit..just saw the above post. ironace said: I support no lynch d1.we can make something work out in the later days but d1 doesn't give enough time to the players to be settled down properly. Also there's usually no valid reason to lynch unless a player is very careless on d1 ironace said: RE1031 said: Crap, ironace indirectly referenced an ongoing game. Do I move my vote? Do I? Wut? ironace said: Anyway I need sleep. Good night/day to you all. 1. Tells coro why he responded the way he did. Feel genuine to me coming from a new player kind of NAI. Though where he tells her she wont get a serious reply feels town to me. I see no advantage for scum to reply like that. 2. NAI 3. NAI 4. I am biased here because I know what he has learned about mafia he has learned about from me and I am on a no lynch D1 unless certain kick lately. Words mean a lot but when the opportunity to no lynch is there and it isn't brought up is when things are most telling. Coupled with the earlier post again find it hard to see scum taking these stances right out the gate. 5. NAI 6. NAI Interesting note: Luna calls out ironace at the top of the next page but he's done as much to this point as Luna. Also to this point ironace has done more than Amaii (Floofs)/Salmon/Abu ironace said: ok so im finally going to get serious. Ill start from page 1 and if any of you ask any questions in the previous posts, ill tyr to answer them. ironace said: logic340 said: As I told RE I think what does he stand to gain by saying "No, I am town"? are we all suddenly going to believe him?So while I do like your question and that it has lead to quite the discussion, I still feel it's kind of NAI because as mafia we would expect them to quickly say "No, I am not" and as town we would expect the same, but we're not getting either. Hopefully we'll get some alignment indicative behairor but as I type this up it seems like this would come more from town than scum, who could easily answer "no" and have things move along. By answering int he way he has he is drawing attention his way which is something scum do not want. I do not like his reason for no lynch either though I can understand them given what happened in Robot Mafia (that game has ended btw). He was mislynched because town was so scared of not getting any "information". You know what they did with the information they got from the ironace mislynch? They mislynched AbuHumaid. So I can totally understand his feeling right now. That and he has been listening to me spew my NL rhetoric since he joined. this is the main reason i didnt reply seriously because it wouldnt have mattered anyway. ironace said: logic340 said: ironace said: sure. I can do it with you as well.logic340 said: @AbuHumaid I want to bounce idea off of you this game (if you're active enough) are you down for that? Bounce ideas? Thoughts on my tone so far? RE and coro say my early posts feel a bit cold. Rio you agree? Who or why not? If you agree what do you think me being cold means for my alignment. If not what do you think these statements mean for coro and RE's alignments? I dont feel like you were cold, it was more like you were ...over excited and kept on repeating the same thing over and over again(im not letting you off easy this time ruu) and people felt you were salty about your previous game. They mean nothing yet imo, it may have just been they were taken aback by your words ironace said: logic340 said: @Floofs where you at? I need you to help me catch scum. @AbuHumaid if you're town here let's use this as practice for the hydra game since we'd be the same alignment. If not then die faint please. @Red_Salmon your thoughts my case against Ruu? @logic340 if you're scum controlling this game early you're getting good. @Ruu your thoughts on Salmon. That's the next olive I'm likely to vote after you at this point. Help yourself out. @Luna you seem like a nice person. I haven't gone over your posts yet but you've posted a bit but your not leaving much of an impression off memory. @RE1031 you got a really good look at coro's town game from the other side. I trust myself to read her after that game. Let's with together to try and get a solid read on her. @coromandel we figured out RE late last game let's work on nailing her down early here. If she's town she's an asset, if she's scum let's identify her and lynch her. @ironace when you come back could you put your vote in s more productive place? Like on Ruu or Salmon for example? Thanks! lmao logic, you're really ecited about this game arent you! And i wont place my vote else where as i havet caught up, but you asking me to remove my vote for you feels kinda scummy from an odd perspective. ironace said: Luna said: ironace said: Oh yeah..@logic340 what is FOS? Edit...I hate my autocorect Edit..just saw the above post. @ironace: Did you see that I had asked this question before? I saw the post later on. ironace said: logic340 said: ironace said: if we all just agree to a no lynch day 1 then what kind if information do you redirect us to get? If we all hunt for scum we can put them in a situation to make a careless mistake and if we get rough interactions (or lack they're of) we can find the needed information to bake a good lynch. I did it in The Morning After but I couldn't do it alone. 6 town on a mafia lynch D1 so while I will entertain no Lynch if it needs to be entertained I'm definitely down for lynching scum day one.I support no lynch d1.we can make something work out in the later days but d1 doesn't give enough time to the players to be settled down properly. Also there's usually no valid reason to lynch unless a player is very careless on d1 Im down, but only if the person is very scummy. A lynch on D1 will probably only decrease the number of players(most probably town) imo. As it would be too early to take a look at what reasoning the players gave to vote the lynched-person. Most will be sheeping and sheeping doesnt give alot of info apart from scum-marking the players. ironace said: what are the votes currently? @logic340 Are you confirmed townie? Why pressure ruu apart from due to previous game's saltiness? ironace said: ok...looks like im shinichi this game, i cane and the rest are gone :( ironace said: Ruu said: @logic340 I think you are tpr. There.. I said it. I already mentioned that there was a comment from you talking about "if I was town" that gave me an idea. If you are tpr then that is a way to "townread" you. I personally think tpr is not a killing role this time but I could be wrong. If tpr is not bad for town then they can be seen as a "confirmed townie". if logic has indeed hinted his role, then this means that the tpr has a method of winning without the need to kill others and thus wants to work with town. Is that right logic? Im sure your tpr, ruu brought it to attention and i think there is one more evidence..lemme see. post number 179. ironace said: reading up about jester's role?It would suit me perfectly ;-; why would you (@logic340) want to get jester's role? Also, @ruu care to elaborate on why do you get the scum vibes from RE? ironace said: ya'll leaving me alone again ;-; ironace said: @luna I saw the answer to my question in the above post when you were answering logic. I didnt know anyone had asked the question before so i asked whats the meaning of fos, i then saw that it was already answered lol. Are you referring to post number 27? i simply forgot that question was even asked tbh. Not really worried as much as annoyed tbh. 1. States he is going to get serious. This is a good sign. Anyone want to argue this is scum announcing they are scumming? 2. Says he didn't replay seriously to coro because he didn't see it getting him any cred. Bolded something I said to say it. 3. Explains how he felt about my early tone and says that he was taken aback by coro's question. I could see that from a new player NAI 4. Notices me calling myself scum and says he wont move his vote off me just yet. I like this post for town. He is the only one who made mention of this. 5. Tell Luna he saw her post later. NAI 6. Says he is down to lynch if the person is scummy. Gives some reason for no lynch, sound very new player minded. I really cannot see scum being out there like this but I guess it's NAI. 7. NAI 8. Inquisitive new town? 9. NAI post about being the only person in the chat. 10. Thinks I may be TPR based on the hints I dropped about my role. A good place for mafia to hide but could see new town doing this as well. 11. NAI "just kill me" meme due to being called LHF by me and RE 12. Asks why I would want to be jester which is NAI but follow with a question to Ruu about RE. 13. NAI post about being left alone but kind of feels like town. Why? Because he is inviting attention something I don't think new scum want. 14. Responds to Luna about missing her FOS post and question to him. NAI take it as you will. Interesting Note: Luna calls out ironace's contribution at the top of this page. I know time-zones and shit but it's interesting to note the uptick in posts. ironace said: so ill reply to the people who asked me stuff, but first of all did someone use an ability to see logic's alignment? I dont know how to feel about this. On one way i feel its useful but also im sure its a oneoff ability so using it so early is..... ironace said: logic340 said: ironace said: Sorry I got caught up at work my boss stepped into the office.ya'll leaving me alone again ;-; aww crap. when you have work but mafia is life~~~~ ironace said: logic340 said: Sorry it isn't meant as a slight. It's just much easier for mafia and by extension town to mislynch newer players based on them not really understanding what is and isn't townie. I was told in my early games that I mad scummy things look townie because people figured I was new town but was scumming it up. Well it happened in my last games so i guess im following your footsteps XD And i was just joking btw. ironace said: so i missed this. Wait so we can all just reveal our roles or is it just logic exclusive? ironace said: all caught up-I feel like an idiot -_- as i didnt read it was logic exclusive unvote Infact i was just thinking of voting for luna as well due to her ...dunno..method? of poking me for answers..seeming unnatural from the norm im used to(not that i know of much since i have technically completed only 2 games) Vote:luna this seems like a good place to start. Also, may i ask why do you people get scum vibes from salmon? ironace said: RE1031 said: ironace said: all caught up-I feel like an idiot -_- as i didnt read it was logic exclusive unvote Infact i was just thinking of voting for luna as well due to her ...dunno..method? of poking me for answers..seeming unnatural from the norm im used to(not that i know of much since i have technically completed only 2 games) Vote:luna this seems like a good place to start. Also, may i ask why do you people get scum vibes from salmon? How do you feel about coro? Since she was doing something similar. coro asked me a few things and then left me alone, saying he had got his read on me(whatever that is, mind telling us all @coromandel?) and saying i was a defensive player. yes im a defensive player as im not really used to mafia and i would usually like approach things cautiously as i still am trying to sort out my playstyle. luna, on the other hand, kept on persisting on a ,in my honest opinion, useless topic as one can himself see when and how i saw the posts.(the FOS topics) But i get it, she wanted me to reply to her question back on page 1 for whatever reason, and so i have.But, as i said before, the whole thing felt..unnatural to me. ironace said: RE1031 said: I do want ironace to respond, since it's weird that coro was pressuring ironace more yet he votes Luna. hmm? I didnt feel any pressure though~~~~ but as i said before, luna irked me the wrong way. Nothing much to go on. _____________________________________________________________________ Also, i forgot to ask this, but you all say that abu is playing his usual game, but that game aint very useful right?Especially not for town. dunno how you guys town read him so early.... 1. Seems to be trying to understand what is up with my claim but seems to have missed the actual claim itself. New town or scum not keeping up with the thread? 2. NAI 3. NAI 4. Very confused new player NAI. 5. Says he feel like an idiot missing my reveal like that, says he was planning to vote Luna (need to see if there is progression there) I guess I can see it given her push on him early. 6. This post he talks about coro's pressure on him. I know as a new player I didn't (and still don't) handle lynch pressure well. Not saying give him a pass but take his experience into consideration when making your read. 7. Feels like a townie post but again new player so I am not sure 8. NAI ironace said: logic340 said: The dreaded double post @ironace your thoughts on Salmon since you're curious about other people's reads on him. he is neutral atm. His only useful post was the one talking about no lynch but that still isnt indicative of his alignment imo, as what he said was a fact that even mafia can say.He hasnt said much since then so i dont see any scum vibes coming from him? So is it just to pressurise him? ironace said: AbuHumaid said: ]what's wrong with joining the game late? timezones? and yeah RE said "good number" which is close enough to "most" why are you arguing about this while missing the whole point? by "irrelevant" i meant that your posts aren't helping town, they seem too casual and yes i read your posts other reasons? you just gave me more, why are you panicking over a vote? i never said i want to lynch you, i honestly didn't want to because you just came back to mafia games so it would be mean but you're not giving me a reason to not suspect you ironace is a newbie, i'm used to him being like that so pushing on him too much is scummy wouldn't you think so? HOLY SHIT!!! Abu has writeen more here in a single post then in his entire previous game!!! I like this, he may JUST be town. ironace said: @Luna, what did you gain from asking me in an indirect manner? @coromandel, you still havent said what you got off from our conversation. just a quick heads up i may not be available during phase change and my vote may remain, though luna's reply seems so have cleared up most of my suspicions but now im back to zero. So whos the most scummy right now? unvote 1. Neutral on Salmon given his inactivity. He feels only the NL post was helpful to him. Then questions me about why I am asking people about Salmon. Inquisitive new town feel. 2. Overblown reaction to Abu (hut it is a surprise to see something like that), loudly proclaims Abu might be town around the time I stated picking up town Abu vibes. 3. Asks Luna and coro what they gained from poking at him in the way that they did. Feels townie motivated. Unvotes before he leaves, not sure how I feel about that? ironace said: logic340 said: Things I don't like about Ruu: -her post about feeling for my safety tonight and that I'm an asset n naively saying I revealed too soon without asking why I chose the time I did. -That bending if the truth earlier in the game. -says Luna/Salmon are not an aligned pair but gives no reason for it. I asked how she came to this conclusion and got nothing. -Luna/coro scum team based off coro defending Luna to much. -voting Luna over coro in an effort to figure out coro's alignment. -her unwillingnes to push on her scum read. -#325 -feels like she's dodging people's questions here? ok so my net is slow due to some problem in sea so enlighten me -where did she say that? tbh, i too, was wondering if the timing was too early for you to reveal and what will you do to stay alive.SO why so soon did you reveal? -bending of what truth? i may sheep depending on your answers :D This is after the Ruu lynch 1. Questions me about my last Ruu read and openly says he may sheep me. Doesn't feel like something scum would do even though it's not the towniest thing to do. 2. Didn't realize the day ended NAI. 3. Notes that Ruu's role could have been useful and asks how it works. Could just get this info in the scum chat if he is mafia but asks here? Could be town maybe I am reading too much into it? ironace said: Red_Salmon said: GOMEN KUDASAI! >A< My internet died yesterday morning. It got fixed this morning. I got like 5 pages to read now. My apologies guys. Ptcl ftw ironace said: I don't get how re's ability is useful... And just when I was thinking of poking re the next day.fml. Now who to poke...... Thankfully red is back ironace said: RE1031 said: Cries - I'm back to being bored D:< Might I suggest that you watch some show? ironace said: Let's wait for a bit.I want him to first defend himself. ..if he ever does. I can understand why he was mia for the laSt 24 hours of d1. The net was indeed shit in our country due to some peoblem in the sea Edit. ..typos ironace said: AbuHumaid said: since i'm in another mafia game i won't talk much during the nights, i will use them as breaks Not like you talk much anyway.. .😂 ironace said: Corrext me if im wrong but..Wasn't re really suspicious of luna?I don't want to ask about the reasons for nk since that was the cause of my mislynch in my last game but since logic brought it up...so will i. ironace said: logic340 said: ironace said: Basically she visits someone and they know they were visited because they hear a song. This allows the person she visited to clear her later on if she had survived. I don't get how re's ability is useful... And just when I was thinking of poking re the next day.fml. Now who to poke...... Thankfully red is back ironace said: logic340 said: So mafia went with taking out a PR instead of conf!Town in me? Interesting choice.....was it because they don't fear me as town leader? Were my reads off by that much? Time to think without sipping too much wine. This thread felt dead and now we lost the other high poster in RE. They left Lucian in my last game precisely because of that right? ironace said: Ok so this is just my gut feeling. But I feel like coromandel, luna or salmon...I'm sure two of them are scum. @logic340 I will try to vote this time DW. But I need reads but I can't feel anything . We need luna to claim I guess... Edit.. Gid dammit I hate my autocorrect ironace said: Logic, I don't get what your saying in your last line of 430 ironace said: Ok so I can see people thinking im scummy due to my recenet posts.the truth is I'm running around in circles. Coromandel, I will defend myself later on.I'm currently writing through mobile so its a pain to write long stuff and the correct it again. However, I will poke salmon after he is caught up. 1. NAI 2. NAI inquiring about RE's ability. 3. NAI 4. Says he wants to hear from Salmon before voting him. Seems like the townie thing to do? if nothing else courteous. 5. NAI post about Abu not talking much 6. Note's RE was suspicious of Luna in his response to my question. NAI 7. NAI but nice inquisitive post and he got it right. 8. NAI 9. I really like this post and what's interesting to note is 2 of the 3 he listed are still here and somewhat unknown "coromandel, luna or salmon...I'm sure two of them are scum" 10. Asks me to clarify my #430. NAI 11. Notices people thinking he is scummy, says he will defend himself later. Says he will poke Salmon when he catches up. Not the best post but transparent Not going to lie there are a lot of NAI posts coming from this slot. He is a new player but I am not sure if this is new town or new scum. Whether you like what he is doing or not you cannot say he is he feels like he is hiding things. He is very transparent which I generally attribute to town. |
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Aug 10, 2017 5:40 AM
#944
@Amai_yume we're running out of time I know you said you like real-time interactions but it's really time that you showed us what you got. |
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Aug 10, 2017 5:42 AM
#945
unvote Have worked very hard on all my reads this game so I need somebody to come with something more than what I'm getting if you want me to change my mind here. @coromandel honestly I don't think the busing happened there I'm going to look back and see what else I can find but if that's the Crux of iron Ace and Luna team I'm not buying it. I even dare say that Post Number 941 makes me want to vote for you. |
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Aug 10, 2017 6:26 AM
#946
@Luna your thoughts on coro @Amai_yume your thoughts on coro, do you still town read Luna, and what was your iron Ace read before you got your results? |
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Aug 10, 2017 6:55 AM
#947
logic340 said: unvote Have worked very hard on all my reads this game so I need somebody to come with something more than what I'm getting if you want me to change my mind here. @coromandel honestly I don't think the busing happened there I'm going to look back and see what else I can find but if that's the Crux of iron Ace and Luna team I'm not buying it. I even dare say that Post Number 941 makes me want to vote for you. why?? o.0 I'm trying to figure out what's happening. One of amai and ironace have to be lying here, then the other one has to be luna. Either it's amai/luna or ironace/luna imo. I don't think I deserve this mistrust, but whatever floats your boat. I don't have much motivation today, tbh. I've posted my vca - no one even bothered to reply to it. |
Aug 10, 2017 7:43 AM
#948
coromandel said: logic340 said: unvote Have worked very hard on all my reads this game so I need somebody to come with something more than what I'm getting if you want me to change my mind here. @coromandel honestly I don't think the busing happened there I'm going to look back and see what else I can find but if that's the Crux of iron Ace and Luna team I'm not buying it. I even dare say that Post Number 941 makes me want to vote for you. why?? o.0 I'm trying to figure out what's happening. One of amai and ironace have to be lying here, then the other one has to be luna. Either it's amai/luna or ironace/luna imo. I don't think I deserve this mistrust, but whatever floats your boat. I don't have much motivation today, tbh. I've posted my vca - no one even bothered to reply to it. Tell me about it All abu's posts I quoted Everything Luna (2 posts) Everything ironaca Everything Amai/Fllofs Everything coro A vca with Luna as town Just to name a few |
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Aug 10, 2017 7:50 AM
#949
@Coromandel if amai/luna are a team then the best thing for Luna to do was say she was not role blocked. Why? Because Amai's results say abu/ironace visited logic. So all Luna has to do is lie and ironace is caught by two people easy lynch. By telling the truth about ironace using his ability on her Luna stopped this golden opportunity for her and amai to win. Thoughts |
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Aug 10, 2017 8:18 AM
#950
Vote Count 3.3 Amai_yume (2): Luna, Ironace Luna (1): Coromandel ironace (1): Amai_yume Not Voting (1): Logic340 >>Day 3 Timer<< |
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