| Apo is not about servants or masters, it's story about one little guy between them. |
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| Didn't some already like explicitly stated their motivations? Like wheelchair girl wanting to stand up again. |
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| did not get it by now? the first episode showed the priorities of this show pretty quickly, where they spent the entire thing making lazy exposition, of the grail war rules and shoehorned fate imagenery everywhere the charcaters in this are of little to no concern to whoever is writing the show, there is no reason to get invested in any of them |
| Apocrypha is like a clickbait show. You would think you are in for an epic 7. vs 7 Holy Grail war but later on the main focus is about a Mary sue bland MC. |
| Don't expect this to focus or develop characters. Apocrypha is Ln-MC-kun's journey through filler. And fights. Watch for fights. ITs among three worst nasuverse works for a reason. |
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| Ehh, the fights are okay and good enough popcorn. Sieg and Karna fight was average-ish but Moedred fight against golems had better fight choreography than any mainline fate since Zero. FGO and Extella ofc! |
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BandWidth said: Fai said: FGO and Extella ofc! I havent play Extella so i cant say much about it but i dont think FGO is the worst, i think its one of the best especially singulary 6 and 7, i say these story is one of the best among fate series The 8th singulary also give impact for player after all those harsh journey with roman The only singularity even close to overall nasuverse quality is 7th, because it at least resembled a coherent story closer to original nasuverse themes. And even then that's like, 7/10 at most when stuff like FSN, FHA, CCC, Tsukihime, KNK etc are practically between 9/10 and 10/10. First Five singularities are literally barebones mobage stuff that in many ways exemplify the worst of what was done to Nasuverse and contradict the original ideas it had. Say Pandering five times really fast. Sixth is just fanservice to all the zero "fans" who bitched how Saber is not "Kingly" enough. Not to mention the worst gameplay encounter design ever. Considering where it is set at I expected something cool and more in line with Zero and FSN stuff and all I got is anime as fuck fantasy tropes. The "finale" singularity was some of the most brain-numbing juvenile bullshit possible. Asspull after Asspull, while at the same time shitting one of the most hyped things in old nasuverse. The remnant singularities are just plain average. Not as bad as first 5 or final one. Nowhere near seventh. And even Seventh's strength is overall premise, presentation and story. certainly not characters. The only remotely decently written character is Roman and even then that's average as all hell when compared to characters like Shirou, Illya, Shiki, Saber, Mordred, Shiki, FSN Archer, etc. And even with the things that are cool about it it is as far from Nasuverse as it can be and way into all chuuni high fantasy shit instead of mature contemporary fantasy stuff that most of nasuverse was grounded in. And again that's 1 story arc out of entire mobile game. That is like saying Apocrypha is one of the best because Moedred's fight was cool and volume 1 is decent. Extella is basically Rome singularity on steroids with all of the FGO flaws upped to eleven. I am pretty much one of the top Red Saber fans but Extella and Septem made me borderline hate her guts, the way she was mischaracterized there and the way "plot" was handled. Right now it is pretty much: FSN: UBW Route = CCC > FHA = Tsukihime > Zero = Prillya > KNK > FSF > FSN: HF Route> Fate/Extra > FSN: Fate Route = FGO:7thSingularity >>> Apocrypha >>>> Extella = FGO(rest) |
AhenshihaelJul 28, 2017 5:09 AM
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Fai said: Right now it is pretty much: FSN: UBW Route = CCC > FHA = Tsukihime > Zero = Prillya > KNK > FSF > FSN: HF Route> Fate/Extra > FSN: Fate Route = FGO:7thSingularity >>> Apocrypha >>>> Extella = FGO(rest) Let me correct you. FSF>>>Everything else. |
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| GoA, Kara no kyoukai>FSF=FSN=FGO(roughly)=FECCC=FE=Tsukihime>Prillya>Extella>FZ>FP fragment>FA FGO is a completely different beasts, with parts being the best Nasu ever written, and parts being the worst that Higashide and Sakurai ever written, and parts that Sakurai had best written. It is unquantifiable and left me with the most fun I had with TM in years, even if 50% of it was rage. I place it as an equal to FSN, cause it have done a successful job of entertaining the audience. Some call it Waifu-bait, I say that FGO's success cannot be replicated by mere waifu-baiting, cause the market have already a lot of that, and its not like Nasu wasn't a fan of it in the first place (he is a romance author, nothing more). Don't know why everyone is placing Narita so high, maybe because they are working on late versions of FSF. The cast of FSF is getting bloated, Narita is beginning to juggle more characters than he could handle, sure he is a good juggler, but he still have a limit on the number of characters he could handle (roughly durarara's number). Plus he is slow, working on one narrative, there are a lot off ways this could end badly (from getting axed to him running out of interest). Which was why Higashide and Gen both ended at around 4 or 5 vols, even if they are working on a smaller narrative. As for FA, you are missing a lot of info, FA might be rage inducing, but the anime makes the novel appear like it is actually good. I am not sure Higashide really understand why he got flamed for years for writing FA. Essentially the anime is cutting out action and explanation to squeeze time for Sieg's romance, the single biggest failure of Higashide, and he doesn't seem to comprehend that it isn't something he could fix by gaving it more time, cause he is Higashide. |
ap1001Jul 28, 2017 7:48 PM
| "You had no free will, you chased your vices along the same path as all of the others." - Shikieiki Yamaxanadu, Diamond in the rough |
ap1001 said: Don't know why everyone is placing Narita so high, maybe because they are working on late versions of FSF. The cast of FSF is getting bloated, Narita is beginning to juggle more characters than he could handle, sure he is a good juggler, but he still have a limit on the number of characters he could handle (roughly durarara's number). Plus he is slow, working on one narrative, there are a lot off ways this could end badly (from getting axed to him running out of interest). Which was why Higashide and Gen both ended at around 4 or 5 vols, even if they are working on a smaller narrative. Dunno, I think that Narita Ryohgo is really suitable for writing an ensemble cast like a Holy Grail War, 30 characters shouldn't be a problem for him that has written more characters on his other LN (Baccano!). Maybe I'm just biased though... |
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Fai said: FSN: UBW Route = CCC > FHA = Tsukihime > Zero = Prillya > KNK > FSF > FSN: HF Route> Fate/Extra > FSN: Fate Route = FGO:7thSingularity >>> Apocrypha >>>> Extella = FGO(rest) Uh you sure you've read everything listed there, friend? |
ThirtyFour34 said: ap1001 said: Don't know why everyone is placing Narita so high, maybe because they are working on late versions of FSF. The cast of FSF is getting bloated, Narita is beginning to juggle more characters than he could handle, sure he is a good juggler, but he still have a limit on the number of characters he could handle (roughly durarara's number). Plus he is slow, working on one narrative, there are a lot off ways this could end badly (from getting axed to him running out of interest). Which was why Higashide and Gen both ended at around 4 or 5 vols, even if they are working on a smaller narrative. Dunno, I think that Narita Ryohgo is really suitable for writing an ensemble cast like a Holy Grail War, 30 characters shouldn't be a problem for him that has written more characters on his other LN (Baccano!). Maybe I'm just biased though... Hopefully he can stop adding new characters, but I am worried about his track record and personality. Narita writing style is like a shark, very kinetic, the more he writes the more "high" he gets, the more likely for him to get out of control, this worked great for Baccano, but for Durarara, he went overboard in the later vols and ended up with more characters then he could handle. Plus the first thing Nasu told him when they started on FSF is for him to go wild, and Narita is certainly getting pretty wild right now. |
| "You had no free will, you chased your vices along the same path as all of the others." - Shikieiki Yamaxanadu, Diamond in the rough |
ap1001 said: Hopefully he can stop adding new characters, but I am worried about his track record and personality. Narita writing style is like a shark, very kinetic, the more he writes the more "high" he gets, the more likely for him to get out of control, this worked great for Baccano, but for Durarara, he went overboard in the later vols and ended up with more characters then he could handle. Plus the first thing Nasu told him when they started on FSF is for him to go wild, and Narita is certainly getting pretty wild right now. Yeah, that's one of the reason why I love his LNs, his "crazy awesome" unpredictable style of writing and his shitons of characters. I don't see any problem with Durarara, i think it's good. But I don't see Baccano or Durarara anywhere in your list. |
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fejita said: you should stop projecting your ignorance, fai knows nip no doubt but actually doubt |
ThirtyFour34 said: ap1001 said: Hopefully he can stop adding new characters, but I am worried about his track record and personality. Narita writing style is like a shark, very kinetic, the more he writes the more "high" he gets, the more likely for him to get out of control, this worked great for Baccano, but for Durarara, he went overboard in the later vols and ended up with more characters then he could handle. Plus the first thing Nasu told him when they started on FSF is for him to go wild, and Narita is certainly getting pretty wild right now. Yeah, that's one of the reason why I love his LNs, his "crazy awesome" unpredictable style of writing and his shitons of characters. I don't see any problem with Durarara, i think it's good. But I don't see Baccano or Durarara anywhere in your list. Too lazy to update, usually I just put in a work when I want to write something about it or when its complete. |
| "You had no free will, you chased your vices along the same path as all of the others." - Shikieiki Yamaxanadu, Diamond in the rough |
ThirtyFour34 said: FSF>>>Everything else. He hasn't read FSF. Just sayin'. Neither has he read CCC, FGO or Extella actually. Even admitted it at one point. |
AirConditionerAug 2, 2017 12:46 PM
SabrinaK said: AirConditioner said: He hasn't read FSF. Just sayin'. Neither has he read CCC, FGO or Extella actually. Even admitted it at one point. Is that why @Fai keeps saying anything with servants in it can't have something from Tsukihime - even though Or was this actually an official statement by Nasu? Also lol its nice to read the slander the usual suspects on ignore throw around. Whew. Some things never change. All that is lacking is a certain 6 letter nickname who keeps insulting anybody who dares to hate fate. Certain people seem to have made it their goal to slander and attack me at every step by spreading lies about me |
AhenshihaelAug 3, 2017 12:05 PM
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SabrinaK said: Is that why @Fai keeps saying anything with servants in it can't have something from Tsukihime - even though Or was this actually an official statement by Nasu? Not exactly too wrong. Dead Apostle Ancestors, as an organization, don't exist in worlds where Heroic Spirit summoning is possible. This is because Dead Apostles never become a prominent force in such worlds. But all of it's members still exist in Fate/ worlds. They just aren't an organization in those worlds. And they're slightly weaker than in worlds where vampires are more prominent (though still pretty strong). Fate/ worlds can have plenty of stuff from Tsukihime. FSF does indeed have something (the thing you wrote under your spoiler) and two DAA members (though not DAA, but just simple DAs) appear in FSF as either mentions or just voices talking through a phone. Also spoiler for Case Files Fai didn't exactly lie about that. But for an example, pretty much half of the shit he wrote about FGO singularities above in the thread is bullshit he made up (like the whole thing about Camelot being pandering to Zero fans who wanted more of Saber as a King) and fed people false info. This info comes from F/SF novel, btw. Narita's the one responsible for writing it, though Nasu does supervise it. |
StardustReverie said: fejita said: you should stop projecting your ignorance, fai knows nip You probably can't though because you aren't in on the joke. That list is objectively wrong. It's you who wasn't in on his (fejitas) joke, actually. He was being sarcastic/shitposting mate. SabrinaK said: Is that why @Fai keeps saying anything with servants in it can't have something from Tsukihime - even though Or was this actually an official statement by Nasu? Not in the exact phrasing you have there, but that the whole DAA=No Servant and vice versa thing comes from SF itself. edit:oh nevermind AC already said that, whoops Fai said: Certain people seem to have made it their goal to slander and attack me at every step by spreading lies about me No, you obstinate child, the world doesn't revolve around you, no one is out to """slander""" you, only to correct your mistaken assumptions you pass to others. |
InsertanamehereAug 3, 2017 1:16 PM
SabrinaK said: Gotcha. I misinterpreted and thought you were saying that none of the things introduced in Tsukihime could be in any canon Fate work, which is obviously not true. Anyway, why is this such a bad change? Sure, it’d make for some interesting stories to have both servants and DAAs in the same world. But it still makes sense why they are incompatible; they represent such opposing themes. It’s pretty cool that there are alternate universes with different supernatural beings who exist depending on how strong humanity is at the time. It's never really 'retconned' that Tsukihime happens before FSN anyway. Only thing that's different now is that Tsukihime events as we know them (from the VN) don't happen the same way in FSN world since presumably, DAAs not existing as an organization impacts Tsuki events. I do agree that DAAs and Heroic Spirits representing mutually exclusive theme is a pretty cool thing, and as for the DA vs Servants thing, it's been implied Dead Apostles will be appearing in FGO in an interview so you'll probably get those anyway (though not DAA as an organization, likely). |
SabrinaK said: Anyway, why is this such a bad change? Sure, it’d make for some interesting stories to have both servants and DAAs in the same world. But it still makes sense why they are incompatible; they represent such opposing themes. It’s pretty cool that there are alternate universes with different supernatural beings who exist depending on how strong humanity is at the time. Its pointless and unneeded change that separates cooler parts of nasuverse even further away from relevancy since literally everything is about servants now. Before there was a chance we might get to revisit the cool shit like DAAs and his Tsukihime 2 concepts and stuff, but now once it is so far removed from fateshit, why should Nasu bother? As he himself said - "he will just continue writing FGO now telling his stories there". We already were supposed to have Tsukihime remake (till it became some kind of frankenstein's monster filled with alterations and stuff to the point that nobody knows what the fuck it will be or if it will ever see the light of day), we were supposed to get other two parts of Mahoyo trilogy already. Instead there is Extella and FGO and Fate stuff continues printing money, so why care about the actually cool parts of the nasuverse he distanced away now? Then again final chapter of FGO already made it clear that nasu does not give a shit about Tsukihime or old nasuverse. Its constantly shat upon - hell with the prunning bullshit for all we know cool concepts like Notes or Tsuki No Sango might not even exist anymore. Not to mention its "complexity for sake of complexity" and just makes things more convoluted than needed. Complexity for sake of complexity is NEVER good in narrative and Nasuverse so far avoided that and would usually have it's lore be coherent and reasonable. Then again he retconed order and coherence away now too with Holmes so anything goes I guess. Not to mention its part of Nasu's new "Yay Humanity!" wank phase and I am extremely not a fan of all the humanity bullshit he introduced lately and how much of importance he put upon it. Nasuverse went from being a critique about human nature and insignificance of humanity to humanity literally being mary sue species the world revolves around. We ventured so far into high fantasy bullshit that its not even funny. In a perfect world Nasu would not be spamming nasuverse with servant bs, deceiving people("Hi guyse here have this Fate Extra adaptation...oh did I mean Extra? No its Extella Prequel instead - pls enjoy the harem shit and misogyny!~") or retconing stuff or getting his buddies of questionable talent like Higashide or Sakurai to write content(gee thanks for utterly ruining Red Saber) , we would have Notes LN and Notes movies by Ufotable, proper three route adaptation of FSN with actually top notch production staff and writing quality, Tsukihime remake in style of Realta Nua(and maybe Tsukihime adaptation by SHAFT), announcement of Tsukihime 2 VN, complete mahoyo trilogy VNs and maybe if I am allowed to dream a good turn-based strategy game about grail war in style of Xcom. Alas we are not in the perfect world. |
AhenshihaelAug 3, 2017 3:00 PM
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| Fai is a typical tasteless virgin cuck who still has to go upstairs to ask his mother if he can buy quartz for FGO. (Which he thinks is shit, but plays it daily anyways LUL) Ignore his shitposts. |
| >As he himself said - "he will just continue writing FGO now telling his stories there". He never said that, but leave it to you to make up things that never happened and then tell everyone that it indeed did happen. I'll tell you, however, what Nasu DID say. He actively expressed the desire to complete Tsukihime remake in the next few years exactly because it is his wish to include Tsukihime related stuff in FGO and for it to get more attention as the Fate/ side of Nasuverse does. Though I'm sure (in your mind) you know more about Nasu's stance on Tsukihime than Nasu himself, despite his words. Also using ''Tsukihime remake never'' meme as an actual argument is a joke, because if you actually bothered to research things, you'd find out it's not that unnatural that VN authors would take this long to create a highly anticipated VN. SakuUta took around 11 years to complete. And Nasu is not currently working on any FGO stories, so no, he's not ''just writing FGO stories'' as you try to make people think he is. Edit: Fai >editing in a link of an interview after seeing my post Have you actually read that interview yourself? Never in the entire thing does Nasu say what you ''quoted'' him as. In fact, he says literally the things I wrote he said: Nasu said: Nasu: I can’t reveal anything concrete yet at the moment, but rest assured that we’ve been making progress on various titles within TYPE-MOON. I’d like to apologize about not having anything to say right now. But all I can say is that as long as FGO is in service, I just have to make the Tsukihime R collaboration a dream come true. Nasu: That’s why I feel that producing good content for FGO and releasing Tsukihime R are the duties entrusted to me and all of TYPE-MOON. After all, I also want to see SSR Arcueid Brunestud happen! source: https://oneofepisodes.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/translation-4gamer-interview-with-kinoko-nasu-and-yosuke-shiokawa-on-fgo-march-2017-part-2/ Part 2 of the interview Fai linked |
AirConditionerAug 3, 2017 3:45 PM
Fai said: [We ventured so far into high fantasy bullshit that its not even funny. Notes LN and Notes movies by Ufotable Notes is very much high fantasy, though...? Tsukihime remake in style of Realta Nua(and maybe Tsukihime adaptation by SHAFT) Come now we both know you'd hate both of those no matter what they were like, seeing how anything new is bad in your eyes. Nasuverse so far avoided that and would usually have it's lore be coherent and reasonable. Then again he retconed order and coherence away Just because you can't follow it doesn't mean it's not any more or less coherent than it was before. ("Hi guyse here have this Fate Extra adaptation...oh did I mean Extra? No its Extella Prequel instead - pls enjoy the harem shit and misogyny!~") genuinely curious as to what in your mind makes it misogyny if its for the sole reason that the protagonist isn't hakunon, then conversely you are being misandrist by shitting on it because it has a male mc |
InsertanamehereAug 4, 2017 7:33 AM
Make them a waifu, and peoples would dedicate their laifu for her |
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