| Well I think he did try to save her with the crystals, he had hunted multiple crystals and extended her life span a little but the last one didn't saved her because she was dying. He then kept that last crystal as a memory of her and was used to Utsuro the altana crystal would only saved her life temporarily. atlst thats how I understood it. |
QueenSapphireMar 27, 2017 9:21 PM
| Altana crystal just gave her live a little longer not cured her. So Umibozu tried to find another crystal. Anime cut some important conversations so better read the manga. |
FeministSenpaiMar 27, 2017 9:15 PM
GarudaAiacos said: another question... if utsuro wants to die... and all he needs is to run out of altana to die... why does he not just go to some far off planet and wait to die? he told umibozu - if i could die that easily, i wouldnt have such a hard time... however , the only reason he lived is because he regenerated from his lopped off right arm...and after he did that he ran out of altana and had to leave.. so it seems to me that if he REALLY wanted to , he could die... just go to some far off isolated planet with different altana and constantly commit suicide no? in fact, he could have just stayed on rakuyo then and gin or kamui could have killed him when they showed up as, ... he was out of altana? does he REALLY want to die or is he just being emo? Iam not sure maybe Utsuro wants everyone die with him. |
GarudaAiacos said: so i just dont understand the way the show displays it it seems like he just puts the crystal in his pocket, forgets about it, and goes on adventures and leaves his sick wife with his baby daughter then comes back when she dies, no? He always leaves because he was hunting/looking for altana crytals, I guess everytime he leaves and returns he always brought the altana crystal to his wife, so that one crystal we saw when Kamui chopped of his arm is not the only crystal. but just like what I said the crystal could only extend her life a little until she couldn't live anymore therefore the last crystal he brought was left unused and he kept it and used it to utsuro instead. The anime didn't quite explain that so it's slightly confusing. |
GarudaAiacos said: danangafnan said: Altana crystal just gave her live a little longer not cured her. So Umibozu tried to find another crystal. Anime cut some important conversations so better read the manga. okay that makes sense, seems like an important aspect to cut out , they could have easily fit a line like that in and just had the anime play over the first couple seconds of the ending credits or something.. kinda like them cutting out abutos dialogue commenting on umibozu vs utsuro... or so ive heard.. i guess i do need to read the manga then.. The manga started from 552. Anime version was too fast. Maybe it was supposed to be 15 episodes. |
GarudaAiacos said: lol true .. he did say that he got to experience the fear of death but that was just an opening act for whats to come... so i guess he just doesnt want to die until he completes whatever his master plan is and thats why he regenerated himself and left? or maybe he only wants to be killed by someone truly worthy that can kill him... he said it was a shame that not even umibozu could kill him... it could also have something to do with him telling gin that he cannot be killed by a demon or monsters sword, only the sword of a human? so maybe he wants gin to kill him or someone with a good heart? About human swords, Iam not sure but maybe has the same meaning with freeing someone from guilty like in Shinigami arc. Shouyo thanked to Gintoki because finally he could be executed by human and die as human. Based on that, maybe you are right that Utsuro can be killed by someone that at least still has human heart. |
FeministSenpaiMar 27, 2017 10:01 PM
| Another question Why didn't utsoro destroy altana on earth like he did to other planets instead of starting a galactic war on earth to destroy it Does he want to get revenge from the whole world ???? |
Kja95 said: Another question Why didn't utsoro destroy altana on earth like he did to other planets instead of starting a galactic war on earth to destroy it Does he want to get revenge from the whole world ???? Exploding altana can destroy the population but not necessarily the entire planet itself. (Remember the scenes the episode flashes to when Utsuro made his speech, there are people standing in a relative distance from the explosion who survived) Recall the situation is not entirely unlike Kouan, where the altana went berserk in a different manner, except it manifests in a living creature called the Orochi. The new planet simply cannot sustain human beings and other animals that originally lives there, but it is highly likely, given natural selection and evolution, that new creatures arise, and it is almost certain that Utsuro will still survive. Then who knows how many years more it would take for the altana supply to finally deplete as it had with Kouan? |
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| why isn't kagura mom immortal like utsuro lol. kagura mom is dying while utsuro is too healthy. inconsistency? |
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GangsterCat said: why isn't kagura mom immortal like utsuro lol. kagura mom is dying while utsuro is too healthy. inconsistency? She left the planet her source of altana for too long. Recall Utsuro, too, couldn't fully regenerate after his fight with Umibouzu. This means Utsuro can die if that's all he wants, but he also happens to want to destroy humanity to end suffering. |
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Germs_N_Spices said: doesn't make any sense. if he can die whenever he wants he should just die alone. there is no reason to destroy earth besides revenge to earthling and i don't see utsuro showing revenge motivation at all.GangsterCat said: why isn't kagura mom immortal like utsuro lol. kagura mom is dying while utsuro is too healthy. inconsistency? She left the planet her source of altana for too long. Recall Utsuro, too, couldn't fully regenerate after his fight with Umibouzu. This means Utsuro can die if that's all he wants, but he also happens to want to destroy humanity to end suffering. |
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GangsterCat said: Germs_N_Spices said: doesn't make any sense. if he can die whenever he wants he should just die alone. there is no reason to destroy earth besides revenge to earthling and i don't see utsuro showing revenge motivation at all.She left the planet her source of altana for too long. Recall Utsuro, too, couldn't fully regenerate after his fight with Umibouzu. This means Utsuro can die if that's all he wants, but he also happens to want to destroy humanity to end suffering. Well, he was killed over and over a little bit by the humans when he was younger, if that's enough motivation for you. As for why he provoked the other planets rather than simply blowing up earth, refer to my previous comment in response to @Kja95 |
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Germs_N_Spices said: he seems super calm and not care at allGangsterCat said: doesn't make any sense. if he can die whenever he wants he should just die alone. there is no reason to destroy earth besides revenge to earthling and i don't see utsuro showing revenge motivation at all. Well, he was killed over and over a little bit by the humans when he was younger, if that's enough motivation for you. |
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GangsterCat said: Germs_N_Spices said: he seems super calm and not care at allWell, he was killed over and over a little bit by the humans when he was younger, if that's enough motivation for you. A single reason for existing and a single unchanging personality, his personas were artificially created with the purpose of coping with his emotions, if he's NOT calm then he'd simply switch to another persona. |
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GangsterCat said: As you see in the final episode, he was killed and reborn so many times, to the point he just didn't care anylonger, and only lived for the sake of it. By the end of it all, he has killed and been killed, but never got to experience death, so he just goes around killing people left and right, because Umibozu is the only one who actually made him feel death, and even he failed to completely kill him. He likely continues his killing spree, hoping there might be someone who can eventually put an end to his existance, but having lived for such a long ass time as him, he don't have much hopes.Germs_N_Spices said: he seems super calm and not care at allWell, he was killed over and over a little bit by the humans when he was younger, if that's enough motivation for you. |
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Germs_N_Spices said: Kja95 said: Another question Why didn't utsoro destroy altana on earth like he did to other planets instead of starting a galactic war on earth to destroy it Does he want to get revenge from the whole world ???? Exploding altana can destroy the population but not necessarily the entire planet itself. (Remember the scenes the episode flashes to when Utsuro made his speech, there are people standing in a relative distance from the explosion who survived) Recall the situation is not entirely unlike Kouan, where the altana went berserk in a different manner, except it manifests in a living creature called the Orochi. The new planet simply cannot sustain human beings and other animals that originally lives there, but it is highly likely, given natural selection and evolution, that new creatures arise, and it is almost certain that Utsuro will still survive. Then who knows how many years more it would take for the altana supply to finally deplete as it had with Kouan? quite get what you mean but in the end utsoro won't die until he makes the tondoshou and earth suffer the same he did right ??? Another question As we saw with kagura's mum only the altana of the same planet can make her alive So the reason of utsoro destroy altana of other planets not because it will help him die but because to start a massive war on earth to destroy the whole planet so that he can finally die beside the reason of revenge I suppose Right ??? |
Kja95 said: Germs_N_Spices said: Exploding altana can destroy the population but not necessarily the entire planet itself. (Remember the scenes the episode flashes to when Utsuro made his speech, there are people standing in a relative distance from the explosion who survived) Recall the situation is not entirely unlike Kouan, where the altana went berserk in a different manner, except it manifests in a living creature called the Orochi. The new planet simply cannot sustain human beings and other animals that originally lives there, but it is highly likely, given natural selection and evolution, that new creatures arise, and it is almost certain that Utsuro will still survive. Then who knows how many years more it would take for the altana supply to finally deplete as it had with Kouan? quite get what you mean but in the end utsoro won't die until he makes the tondoshou and earth suffer the same he did right ??? Another question As we saw with kagura's mum only the altana of the same planet can make her alive So the reason of utsoro destroy altana of other planets not because it will help him die but because to start a massive war on earth to destroy the whole planet so that he can finally die beside the reason of revenge I suppose Right ??? Yes, that's the explanation we are given. |
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Germs_N_Spices said: Kja95 said: quite get what you mean but in the end utsoro won't die until he makes the tondoshou and earth suffer the same he did right ??? Another question As we saw with kagura's mum only the altana of the same planet can make her alive So the reason of utsoro destroy altana of other planets not because it will help him die but because to start a massive war on earth to destroy the whole planet so that he can finally die beside the reason of revenge I suppose Right ??? Yes, that's the explanation we are given. Well it makes sense the story is now completely clear to me Thanks toooo much for this and also for the explanation of why didn't unibozo put the altana crystal inside kagura's mum when She was about to die and why he was traveling so many times when his wife was severely ill I think the anime should have explained things a bit more I know they have cut alot of dialogues from the manga Anyway another great season ends and again will miss gintama... |
GangsterCat said: Like I fucking said before, he wants ALSO wants to fuck over the Tendoshou for everything that they done to him, so his Final plan is killing two birds with one Stone since he gets to destroy everything the Tendoshou's built and themselves....while getting to die in the processGerms_N_Spices said: doesn't make any sense. if he can die whenever he wants he should just die alone. there is no reason to destroy earth besides revenge to earthling and i don't see utsuro showing revenge motivation at all.She left the planet her source of altana for too long. Recall Utsuro, too, couldn't fully regenerate after his fight with Umibouzu. This means Utsuro can die if that's all he wants, but he also happens to want to destroy humanity to end suffering. |
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GarudaAiacos said: another question... if utsuro wants to die... and all he needs is to run out of altana to die... why does he not just go to some far off planet and wait to die? he told umibozu - if i could die that easily, i wouldnt have such a hard time... however , the only reason he lived is because he regenerated from his lopped off right arm...and after he did that he ran out of altana and had to leave.. so it seems to me that if he REALLY wanted to , he could die... just go to some far off isolated planet with different altana and constantly commit suicide no? in fact, he could have just stayed on rakuyo then and gin or kamui could have killed him when they showed up as, ... he was out of altana? does he REALLY want to die or is he just being emo? Dying a "normal" death and suicide are different things. It's the samurai era, so suicide ain't an option. To boot the anime goes philosophical many times, he said numerous times that dying and living has become meaningless to him, the consequence making him "empty", so suicide would be even more a useless option for dying. He wants to have a meaningful death, from what I speculate he is grooming his disciples so that they can kill him permanently(have seen this in other animes too). Don't worry, the reason must be in the manga since it's ending, so they will adapt it sooner or later. You are right, the thingy about the crystals! What a big stupid mistake leaving that out of the anime. Here was I thinking that Kouka was never given a crystal... |
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