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| That thing I thought was too obvious for them to do turned out to be exactly what they did. Shrugs. |
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Riveon said: MightyM16 said: I'm saying that just because a game isn't considering a main game, it doesn't means it adds nothing to the game story AE is relevant, it always was and you just have to deal with it I never said that such things shouldn't add anything to the story. They just shouldn't add anything IMPORTANT, that is needed to understand the main title. I can "deal with it" as long as they would characterize Monaca from zero, without the need of any knowledge about her past. To ba fair, Monaca has had only 7 seconds of screentime as herself, so you should just be patient. |
trannon1 said: TheOllie said: It's been around 3 years after the "Incident" started... So not changing in 2-3 years is not surprising...unless we're talking about Hiyoko... My issue is that I have no idea what he/she is talking about. My theory that time has passed and the Ultimate Despairs have woken up is valid, even if just weeks or months have gone by. Yet he answers with "You dont seem to understand how time and ageing works i guess." I have no idea what he is trying to say, so I stipulated that he is saying if time has passed, the people must have gotten older. But since what I am saying makes no sense to him, what he is saying makes on sense to me either. Well, to be fair, I guess sarcasm doesn't translate well on the Internet. I was being sarcastic about aging working the same way in anime and reality. You know, how characters never seem to look their age? He was prolly talking about how Monaca could not have done the Neo World Program since it was developed during the time "The Incident" was starting. At this point Gekkogahara was working on that project and Monaca either hadn't met or had just met Junko at this point. |
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Riveon said: MightyM16 said: I'm saying that just because a game isn't considering a main game, it doesn't means it adds nothing to the game story AE is relevant, it always was and you just have to deal with it I never said that such things shouldn't add anything to the story. They just shouldn't add anything IMPORTANT, that is needed to understand the main title. I can "deal with it" as long as they would characterize Monaca from zero, without the need of any knowledge about her past. Why shouldn't they? "spin-off" is really just a title you give to games that don't follow the same gameplay, remove that title and is just another game of the franchise just like the others, with IMPORTANT story and all that shit...again, "spin-off" is just a title... |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| This episode was all-out intense, full of great action. I loved it. Our old man Tengan is the real MVP. That ending, though.... Looks like we have another possible mastermind. |
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trannon1 said: TheOllie said: He was prolly talking about how Monaca could not have done the Neo World Program since it was developed during the time "The Incident" was starting. At this point Gekkogahara was working on that project and Monaca either hadn't met or had just met Junko at this point. I always thought that Danganronpa 1.5 happened some time after The Incident, but before the events of Danganronpa 1. Because at that time, the Future Foundation was already up and running, fighting the Warriors of Hope. That is the reason why I thought it was after the Incident, because the Future Foundation had time to establish itself. Clarification point, Junko met Monaca when Monaca and Junko were younger. It is shown in a photo of a younger Junko beside a Monaca in wheelchair. Clarification question, where was it mentioned that the Neo-World Program was developed before or at the beginning of The Incident? I must have missed that. Clarification, DR:AE happens after the events of DR1 (Naegi even explains what happens to him to his sister at some point), then at the finale, Komaeda saves Monaca and says he would teach her to be like Junko...So Monaca and Komaeda definitely spent a long time together before he and the other remnants of despair were captured and thrown into the Neo World Program, which greatly decreases the possibility of being Monaca the one who constructed it... |
HyperLAug 1, 2016 3:30 PM
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
TheOllie said: trannon1 said: Yea, time and aging works like in reality when it comes to anime even though most of Ultimate Despair look the same age as when they were in Highschool and so do most of the Future Foundation. Just like how Chisa and Munakata both look like they did those years ago. Are you ever going to stop the one sentence answers? It's been around 3 years after the "Incident" started... So not changing in 2-3 years is not surprising...unless we're talking about Hiyoko... Mean is it timeline wise possible for Monaca in order to work with Matsuda on the Neo Worl Program? He said she is the creator. How old would she be at the time around DR0? I dont understand his theory at all. Or how he came to this conclusion |
MonoReaper said: TheOllie said: It's been around 3 years after the "Incident" started... So not changing in 2-3 years is not surprising...unless we're talking about Hiyoko... Mean is it timeline wise possible for Monaca in order to work with Matsuda on the Neo Worl Program? He said she is the creator. How old would she be at the time around DR0? I dont understand his theory at all. Or how he came to this conclusion So, the contruction of the Neo World Program beggan before the incident and around DR0's time? I mean, in the game they called it the Hope Restoration Program so I assumed it was made specifically to treat people affected by the incident... |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
HyperL said: MonoReaper said: Mean is it timeline wise possible for Monaca in order to work with Matsuda on the Neo Worl Program? He said she is the creator. How old would she be at the time around DR0? I dont understand his theory at all. Or how he came to this conclusion So, the contruction of the Neo World Program beggan before the incident and around DR0's time? My memory is fuzzy about DR0 but if i remember correctly than Matsuda, Miaya & +1 person more worked together to create the Neo World Program. At that time to help people with traumatars and mental disorders. It would be before and after the incident with Izuru. But at some point Matsuda dies we know so everything after that is a big=? |
MonoReaperAug 1, 2016 3:49 PM
| well, this episode sure threw the miaya = chiaki theory out the window, though i never supported that one. but the idea that miaya never truly existed other than as an extension of monaca & built the neo world program rly fucks me up lmao. i'm crossing my fingers that isn't the case. & monaca is definitely more of an accomplice than /the/ traitor imo. like everyone said, it's just too early on. i can't wait until we're shown who killed who tbh. is it confirmed there's only /one/ attacker? |
sutoriAug 1, 2016 3:53 PM
| i originally called that Miaya was Monaca in disguise because there was no way she wouldn't be involved in the killing game after playing such a vital role in Ultra Despair Girls. i honestly didn't even consider that she could be a robot lols. either way, i was close! anwyays AHHHHHHHH MONACA HYPE i've been waiting since ep 1 for her to reveal herself. just didn't expect it'd be this early lol |
| tegen was a bad@ss. RIP Monaca omfg!!!!! |
| Hey no pink blood! |
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bcruise said: Well, this development certainly explains how Gozu was killed in a closed room.  gozu died in a locked room when everyone was asleep, suspended by cables. gekkogahara is a robot that isn't effected by anesthetics controlled by a maniac that can deploy electric cables from her chair sometimes occam's razor does apply |
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| The old man stole this episode for me. Never imagined he would be so badass. I'm sad that he's about to die ;_; Dat ending... Knew the possibility of Gekkogahara being the traitor but I didn't expect her to be a robot.  |
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| I didn't expect them to reveal who was the "killer" so early. I didn't suspect that wheelchair girl, but she wasn't completely off the list either. I did legitimately think it was "too obvious" for a character using a pink bear to be the culprit. I guess I was wrong! If they reveal the killer so early... then perhaps... there is another one? |
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Aw yeaaaaaaaaaaaah, baby. I fucking knew it, the designs of both of them were WAAAAAY too similar. Monaca is my favorite female danganronpa character after Junko, so this felt really good. Now I only need Komaeda dropping in to save the day and see how fabulous his "disciple" has become and DR3 would become AOTY to me. |
trannon1 said: MonoReaper said: Mean is it timeline wise possible for Monaca in order to work with Matsuda on the Neo Worl Program? He said she is the creator. How old would she be at the time around DR0? I dont understand his theory at all. Or how he came to this conclusion Monaca is the daughter of a company which specialized in robotics. She is also very proficient in robotics as seen when she created the Monokumas and the Giant Robots. So despite her age, her intelligence is extremely high. We don't have a specific point in time when the Neo-World Program was created, we only know that it was designed to help recover people who are in despair. She could have killed the real Gekkougahara before the creation of the Neo World Program. Then she could just take over Gekkougahara's place and insert bugs into the program. It doesn't matter how old she is if she is hiding behind a robot body. The point here is that I could rationalize the whole thing because we don't have neough information, even from the games. Honestly speaking, I don't really believe my own theory either, but what annoyed me about you was the fact that you didn't explain your reasoning. One sentence answers really piss me off. Well in DR:DespairGirls/AnotherEpisode she and the Warrior of Hope are around 11-12 years old. If i remember correctly it is stated ingame So she would be at the time of the creation of the Neo World Program 7 or 8? And she met Junko most likely around the time of her entrance ceremony in Hopes Peak with the 78th class. And i am still not sure when the elementary school of Hopes Peak was build or used at all. She would still be super young to kill someone. And the Ultimate Therapist wouldn't fit her personality at all even if she created this persona. Remember Hope`s Peak used Scouts to search for talent. And our Scout in the Anime: His first guess for the traitor was Robo Miaya. Alone the knowledge she would need as a Ultimate Therapist. As you said she is a genius in terms of hardware/robotic technology. But here being the same person who created the Neo World Program besides Matsuda & another person (i don't remember who it was) is really crazy even for DR standards And my first answere to your post/theory was a question not a answere on your question. |
 me after this episode |
| I knew I wasn't the only one who thinks so |
| No seriously. |
| Jokes aside, Monokuma also said that there are 12 people remaining, but the survivor count in the OP says 13. So is Hagakure the part of the killing game or not? |
| No seriously. |
| The one who is tainted by despair right now is you, munakata. |
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Degree said: But...DR2 actually doesn't matter for people who watch the anime. It just provides context for fans or players. You don't NEED to watch anything about DR2 to know why Naegi is being questioned. They go over why he was arrested many times. All you can really get experience-wise by going back and reading what happened is an 'ohhhh! So thats what they meant' feeling or a 'hey look, that was used here before it was used in...' I agree. I love Danganronpa 2 and people should play it. But stop forcing people to come to your standards on needing to watch it to understand what is going on. People aren't as stupid as you think they are. They know what's going on and are enjoying figuring things out on their own if they don't. Preaching like this is how you make someone hate a series before they even try it. You should read the comments from the older threads of mirai/Zetsubou most of them doesn't know what is going on. Most of animeonly watchers still doesn't know who the FF are,why naegi is there and who are the UD. |
| This episode is pretty good but no deaths for two episodes well I just have to be patient. and Other thing,Is Monaca traitor,Or is she Monokuma herself or just accomplice of them both . I hope she is not both If not that ruins everything my bet she is Monokuma and Traitor is still unknown to us. |
| shit looks like i do need to watch a playthrough of AE huh wasn't to sure how heavily it tied into future arc but after revealing Monaca and seeing who she is it's quite important. |
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| My assumptions would be: -Monaca is the mastermind, but her goal is still unclear. She probably wants something entirely different from what we are thinking (Or Munakata or Naegi) - Someone from FF is helping her. Or maybe she is being used. Like, she thinks she is the mastermind and BAM, someone else is going to take over. participant_no_5 said: Jokes aside, Monokuma also said that there are 12 people remaining, but the survivor count in the OP says 13. So is Hagakure the part of the killing game or not? Hmmmm. Good question. I think it is either Hagakure or Monaca. In this case they are counting Monaca AND Mechagahara, what seems kinda weird. There is a probability someone is hiding, but I hope not tho. |
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| The Scout totally called it! |
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| There are people who like Monaca... wtf? |
| "My name is John Locke, and I'm responsible for the well being of this Island" |
| Holy SHIT TALK ABOUT OUT OF LEFT FIELD. My mind has been BLOWN. Did not see Monaca coming at ALL. Komaeda wasn't fucking joking at the end of Another Episode. I can't even right now holy crap. Mirai-hen is so damn good. |
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| Oh sh*t just got real. Return of the Monoca...thanks Komaeda |
| The chairman turned badass there, too bad he is gonna die. At least he might change Munakata's mind before dying. And we meet Monaca. Nice. Still think Miaya got hacked by her at some point. |
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| Yaaaaaaaaas, best girl confirmt to be back in action |
| That's entirely possible, since |
| No seriously. |
Yehart said: Perfect12 said: Stop saying that everybody has to play the game to understand what's going on. I haven't played one game and I understand what's going on in the anime because everything is explained. Stop spoiling things just because you played the game and think you have to mention it everywhere (ahem... because it's NECESSARY for everyone to have played it). How are people spoiling things? People are talking about a prequel to this sequel. Your fault for not playing/watching the games ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ People say things that aren't revealed yet in the anime, for me it's spoiling. Up until now nothing is left unexplained because people who watch it have to know what it is from a game. |
| See? Even CG action scene can look good.*cough cough* Berserk *cough cough* I have nothing to say about Monaca, tho. I'm not in the mood in making theories atm for some reason. I think I'm just gonna (re)watch Bananya instead |
| No seriously. |
And there were two AIs for Junko (One in Shiro- and one in Kurokuma) so why would Izuku need to use both for Junko to infiltrate the Neo World Program~? |
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