Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Tbh, that's exactly what happened. Episode 12 deleted a Cour full of character development. He already accepted that fact in Arc1. He tought he was some kind of super MC until he got rekt. |
| Another moronic and just plain dull episode. Subaru might just give Kirito a run for his money when it comes to be a bland as hell protagonist. Welp, this Anime is simply the Erased of this season. Don't have to say anything else lmao. |
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| I forgot to say stuff about the animation. Well, as an art student it's really a pleasure to see the last scene. Beautifully animated. It's kinda funny how you can really tell an important scene is coming now because of the quality and lighting change lol. |
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
Wind_God_Girl said: Arc 2 ended with him saving everyone. What about his character? He still never accepts reality. As a matter of fact he's even deeper to the "I'm the destined one" mindset especially after having Rem and Ram being indebted to him. It's clear as a fucking daylight. His line of thought forces him to think that every single problem of every single major character that he bonded with must've revolved around him. Episode 7. Now what does Arc 3 does here is very VERY FUCKING SIMPLE. Arc 3 introduced reality. Except that arc 2 was already all about introducing reality and making him face it. HE LITERALLY BROKE DOWN TWICE over both others rejecting his white knighting and over how real the situation is. WE SAW HIM reflect on his own selfish nature too. Hell even further apart in Arc 1 he started as "i am the MC, duh" aND THEN HE DIED and was forced to realize it by dying again and again. Then that realization was completed in arc2. Also are you SERIOUSLY claiming that saving people is unrealistic? Shrimperor said: Tbh, that's exactly what happened. Episode 12 deleted a Cour full of character development. He already accepted that fact in Arc1. He tought he was some kind of super MC until he got rekt. Its kind of hilarious how both the show and those defending this Subaru seem to have caught a case of amnesia that erased the arc2 from their minds. |
AhenshihaelJun 27, 2016 7:32 AM
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It's useless to waste your time on MAL's forums. It's one of the worst platform around for that purpose. It never ceases to amaze me. I tend to avoid this place nowadays. |
| Aliis si licet, tibi non licet. |
| It helps to remember Subaru is only barely not a boy. 18 y/o's are extremely ignorant when it comes to the feelings of women at that age (maybe with some exceptions of a few greats). Emilia is a part elf, and way older than she looks (100+), thus MUCH more mature than him. I think she handled him fairly despite it all though. She probably thinks of him as a child, not a love interest. The lap scene and the way she asks him things nicely, she's just like a mother. So yeah, I guess people are right, his reactions are kind of normal for his age. He doesn't realize Emilia is a very seasoned woman and doesn't have the resolve to deal with his immature, embarrassing, and selfish antics. Even after all that though, she's only doing it because she doesn't want him to get hurt over worrying about her. In other thoughts, I wonder of Rom made a deal with Reinhardt? I can't imagine that old man being able to set it a trap in there so easily otherwise. Rein's reaction was kind of suspicious! |
| Her: kill yourself Me: ok |
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| People keep saying Restart restart blah blah As if that's such an easy thing to do. Death is painful. |
| Down on the West Coast They got a sayin' |
gelatokun said: Lol I feel sorry for subaru and hate him on the same time, this guy should kill himself then restart and consider to shout up his mouth -_- To be honest A LOT of this episode could have been avoided with Subaru employing simple common sense(which he did before) instead of employing protagonist-dumb drama where protag can't see the obvious answers to further the melodrama. Raven_Wingz said: It helps to remember Subaru is only barely not a boy. 18 y/o's are extremely ignorant when it comes to the feelings of women at that age (maybe with some exceptions of a few greats). Emilia is a part elf, and way older than she looks (100+), thus MUCH more mature than him. I think she handled him fairly despite it all though. She probably thinks of him as a child, not a love interest. The lap scene and the way she asks him things nicely, she's just like a mother. So yeah, I guess people are right, his reactions are kind of normal for his age. He doesn't realize Emilia is a very seasoned woman and doesn't have the resolve to deal with his immature, embarrassing, and selfish antics. Even after all that though, she's only doing it because she doesn't want him to get hurt over worrying about her. The problem is that his reactions contradict his behavior in the previous arc and what he learned in previous arc. Protagonist making human mistakes and acting flawed is okay, as long as it is not done in a way that character assassinates what we already know of the protagonist. In other thoughts, I wonder of Rom made a deal with Reinhardt? I can't imagine that old man being able to set it a trap in there so easily otherwise. Rein's reaction was kind of suspicious! Oh it is quite obvious that Reinhard is some sort of machiavelian Lelouch type of character and he basically used the situation to manipulate felt. Reinhard so far is no more trustworthy than Roswaal. |
AhenshihaelJun 27, 2016 8:03 AM
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| Lol this arc just keeps on getting better! MC being awesome as usual! Anime of the year! |
| "Why do I always realize it... when I've already lost it..." -Guts, Berserk "Some things are beautiful because they cannot be obtained." -Gilgamesh, Fate/stay night "We are constantly living in a peaceful world that somebody else won for us. Even if it were only a day of peace, I will be grateful for its value." - Minashiro Tsubaki, FAFNER "Screw you, future me!" -Makise Kurisu, Steins;Gate "We used to show off by waging wars and whatnot." -Watashi, Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita "Call me Moses. I'm going to part the sea of students before your eyes." -Moses?, Valvrave "Time is guilty." -Andō & Tomoyo, INOU-Battle |
| Ah! It will also been eventful narrative, but the protagonist Subaru, manages to be stupid enough to make me sad, oh well! Nothing bad storytelling, was not slow as of late, but the various situations that are seen, were not so unforeseen, however, the interpretation of the characters, I liked a lot. Very beautiful drawings, were able to express well the feelings experienced by the characters. |
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Thevsamovies said: Subaru has done more for all of the characters there and clearly can't explain it (why do they think he grabs his heart in pain every time) and has noticeably risked his life to save lives yet everyone treats him like a piece of crap.. Because gratitude is not a reward and good nice guy behavior is not a debt to be repaid. You can't expect others to feel indebted to you just because you are being NICE. You can't expect women to want to repay you just because you put them on pedestal. Subaru's behavior is absolutely not okay and borders between a creepy stalker and abusive wannabe MRA nice guy. |
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Fai said: Because gratitude is not a reward and good nice guy behavior is not a debt to be repaid. You can't expect others to feel indebted to you just because you are being NICE. You can't expect women to want to repay you just because you put them on pedestal. Twisting the words again, huh? "When you insignia was stolen, I saved you from an insane killer at the loot house! I risked my life! *relevant to his feelings blablabla* At the mansion, too. Things worked out because of me. Without me, it would've been a lot worse." He referred to the incident with the curse and the children as well. Without him, she could've lost her support for the throne (there was a passage indicating that Roswaal would've beared the blame otherwise, thus damaging his and Emilia's reputation). Degrading his actions to just being nice and putting her on a pedestal without considering the things he has done is overlooking a crucial part and doesn't do it justice. Subaru's behavior is absolutely not okay and borders between a creepy stalker and abusive wannabe MRA nice guy. His behavior is not okay because he seemed mentally unstable from the beginning on. And the last part is typical stuff a feminist spouts. Good job at dismissing the important parts in his speech. I'm quite speechless myself. |
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: Thevsamovies said: I love how people are like "will he kill himself to start over? "Subaru why are you doing stupid stuff?" Realistically, how much psychological and physical torment do you think it would be to die repeatedly, and then for what? So no one can recognise you, and so the people you sacrificed for could act as if you're embarrassing them? Pretty sure Emilia answered that........."You did it for yourself" which is in fact partially true. He could have just run away from everything instead of being some white knight. The problem is Subaru just reverted back to being idiot and selfish MC after the development he had in the previous 2 arcs. As much as people like to say deconstruction, reality or whatnot it will seem like cheap drama just for the heck of it because the situation could easily be avoided by the Subaru we saw till episode 11 who could at least adapt or use his head. Let's get's this straight his is development last arc had nothing do anything happening here. The whole point of 2nd half of Arc 2 was that Subaru came to understand that Rem and Ram where not necessarily bad people despite what they doing to him prior timelines. Here it is his own flaws caused the issue this. Suabru never ever been entirely selfless (nobody is) nor has he not made mistakes that upseted people from time to time. If he's dumb for that reason everyone world is dumb. |
Iron_MawJun 27, 2016 8:48 AM
| what business of his is her candidacy for the crown? |
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| 790+ replies...wtf wtf MAL????? Self' proclaimed knight = Subaru, I agree to critics, Subaru is generic/annoying MC....Roswall would be better....7/10 |
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FragOutFire said: what business of his is her candidacy for the crown? None. He decided to help her of his own will partily due to the debt owes her as well as being a comrade. In otherwords he's mainly supporting her as a friend. |
Thevsamovies said: I love how when someone tries to help other people, everyone thinks there is some ulterior motive. He can't just be trying to help out because he is a good person. I bet if he was more powerful everyone would change their minds and be praising him for sticking up for what's right. How would beating a knight in a meaningless duel over Subaru's honor help Emilia in any way? |
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TeamDalaiLana said: People keep saying Restart restart blah blah As if that's such an easy thing to do. Death is painful. Well it may not be, but if he does he may get a better outcome. I think he may not because in an earlier episode he said he didn't want to restart because he hates pain. Whatever I'm confused af. |
| Felt was so CUTE!! |
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: Jagd84 said: His development last arc had nothing freaking do anything happening. The whole point of 2nd half of Arc 2 was that Subaru came to understand that Rem and Ram where not necessarily bad people despite what they doing to him prior timelines. That had nothing to do with his own flaws caused this issue. The amount of effort he put in understanding curses and other stuff showed that he isn't totally stupid and i don't believe that was 1-time only. At the very least Subaru should have come to understand that his actions have consequences for people around him (Rem dying when he holed up being all scared or getting suspected because of his dumb attitude) or he should be a little more capable. If he didn't realize any of that during the last arc then he just comes up as a pretty bad character than being inconsistent for the sake of drama. It looks the latter to me tbh. Nothing in your post addressed my point about development. Whether somebody is stupid or not has nothing doing to with that. Just because you about magic does not mean you will not screw up something else. Because those two have nothing to do with each other. Suabru was suspeted simply because he was stranger with no identifiable background, Rem's death had nothing to do with him and no fault of his own. At point he thought she was real killer before she died. Notice how this has no logical connection what is going right now? You just whining because he made a mistake with good intentions and act out emotionally. |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Thevsamovies said: I love how when someone tries to help other people, everyone thinks there is some ulterior motive. He can't just be trying to help out because he is a good person. I bet if he was more powerful everyone would change their minds and be praising him for sticking up for what's right. Except in this Royal Succession everyone has ulterior motives. Subaru broke his promise to Emilia and made the situation worse instead. She was already hated because of being a half-elf and his self-proclaimed knight turned out to a joke. Subaru got what he deserved. Action speaks louder than words and Subaru failed hard. He doesn't have any evidence neither the strength or influence. He knows he is weak but doesn't try to improve either. So your point fails hard here my friend. He got what he deserved because of his own idiotic actions. Pretty much. Majority of what Subaru did this or previous episode made no sense and helped nobody. It was a strange self-centered hysteric fit over not being rewarded for being good. And in the last scene Subaru literally tells Emilia that he is doing all the stuff because he expects praise and gratitude from her as a reward - Ep11-12 Subaru does not want to help Emilia. He wants her to see him helping her and appreciate and reward him for it. |
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Kokorohagurasu said: oAm I the only one who kinda understands Subaru? You die and go through lots of suffering trying to help everyone, even though you know people don't know about that you hope somehow you got some credit with these people. Of course he could have acted the right way and understood the fact Emilia don't know shit, but rather I think he acted more like a human by getting mad and everything. No you aren't. What's dumb there is people here can't who incapable understanding basic human emotion and fact does cause people mistakes regardless of intelligence or what not. |
| when does he die again? |
 someone else always have what you want, but it usually means nothing to them... |
FragOutFire said: Thevsamovies said: I love how when someone tries to help other people, everyone thinks there is some ulterior motive. He can't just be trying to help out because he is a good person. I bet if he was more powerful everyone would change their minds and be praising him for sticking up for what's right. How would beating a knight in a meaningless duel over Subaru's honor help Emilia in any way? That's where you wrong. That duel between Julius and Suabru had little do with helping Emilia herself then Subaru proving his that he had as much resolve as they did to be a Knight and ultimately be her Knight like Julius is with Anastasia. |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Jagd84 said: His development last arc had nothing freaking do anything happening. The whole point of 2nd half of Arc 2 was that Subaru came to understand that Rem and Ram where not necessarily bad people despite what they doing to him prior timelines. That had nothing to do with his own flaws caused this issue. The amount of effort he put in understanding curses and other stuff showed that he isn't totally stupid and i don't believe that was 1-time only. At the very least Subaru should have come to understand that his actions have consequences for people around him (Rem dying when he holed up being all scared or getting suspected because of his dumb attitude) or he should be a little more capable. If he didn't realize any of that during the last arc then he just comes up as a pretty bad character than being inconsistent for the sake of drama. It looks the latter to me tbh. He was shown using his brain plenty of times. The way he tried to con Rom, the way he approached the barter for the insignia, the way he approached the first loops in the mansion trying to recreate situation and learn more, the way he actually thought and used his brain and kept notes of important details trying to solve the situation, the way he approached the stake-out outside the mansion to find out the killer, etc.... hell, even the way he fought the dogs by actually being smart and insightful. Yet suddenly one ep latter he acts braindead. This is literally the last time in this arc that Subaru said anything smart:  Its hilarious that the writing of his character in Ep11 and Ep12 literally contradicts the scene from the start of the same episode. That end rant of this episode though literally made only him being drugged/mind-controlled by the witch into jealousy, as the only reasonable explanation of the change in personality. |
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Jagd84 said: FragOutFire said: How would beating a knight in a meaningless duel over Subaru's honor help Emilia in any way? That's where you wrong. That duel between Julius and Suabru had little do with helping Emilia herself ... That's what my smart-ass sarcastic question meant. You said I'm wrong but then basically just agreed with me? I can't believe so many people are sympathizing with Subaru for being a beta orbiter whiteknight. Emilia doesn't consider Subaru that close of a friend. She doesn't want him there. He crossed the line when he butted into her business. And then he started dumb fights and ended up screaming at her saying, "Look at how nice I am, I deserve your admiration." If this was happening on Earth, Subaru would be complaining on his facebook how dumb bitches don't appreciate nice guys and only go for jerks |
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Fai said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: The amount of effort he put in understanding curses and other stuff showed that he isn't totally stupid and i don't believe that was 1-time only. At the very least Subaru should have come to understand that his actions have consequences for people around him (Rem dying when he holed up being all scared or getting suspected because of his dumb attitude) or he should be a little more capable. If he didn't realize any of that during the last arc then he just comes up as a pretty bad character than being inconsistent for the sake of drama. It looks the latter to me tbh. He was shown using his brain plenty of times. The way he tried to con Rom, the way he approached the barter for the insignia, the way he approached the first loops in the mansion trying to recreate situation and learn more, the way he actually thought and used his brain and kept notes of important details trying to solve the situation, the way he approached the stake-out outside the mansion to find out the killer, etc.... hell, even the way he fought the dogs by actually being smart and insightful. Yet suddenly one ep latter he acts braindead. This is literally the last time in this arc that Subaru said anything smart: Its hilarious that the writing of his character in Ep11 and Ep12 literally contradicts the scene from the start of the same episode. That end rant of this episode though literally made only him being drugged/mind-controlled by the witch into jealousy, as the only reasonable explanation of the change in personality. Fai I don't mean to keep combatting you, but this was the first time Subaru ever saw Emilia actually getting disrespected. She told him before in the first loop that elves aren't looked on in a good light and he noted this but it's different from actually hearing about discrimination than seeing it. Tbh I only disagree with a few of your points, because the majority of your logic is sound so I hope I'm not coming across as pretentious or anything. Just to me I can see this stuff making sense within Subaru's character. We've seen Subaru before but to me this is his "ugly" side. You know, the asshole side of you that everyone has |
FragOutFire said: Jagd84 said: That's where you wrong. That duel between Julius and Suabru had little do with helping Emilia herself ... That's what my smart-ass sarcastic question meant. You said I'm wrong but then basically just agreed with me? I can't believe so many people are sympathizing with Subaru for being a beta orbiter whiteknight. Emilia doesn't consider Subaru that close of a friend. She doesn't want him there. He crossed the line when he butted into her business. And then he started dumb fights and ended up screaming at her saying, "Look at how nice I am, I deserve your admiration." If this was happening on Earth, Subaru would be complaining on his facebook how dumb bitches don't appreciate nice guys and only go for jerks Yeah, but like you said. "If this was on Earth." The fact is it's in a fantasy world and you can't exactly die 10000000 times irl and just revive. So his unique circumstances probably make it easier for people to feel for him. if this was a slice of life anime, not so much. Irl people die when they are killed (heh) I do think some people are trying a bit too hard with trying to excuse his actions but I'd say it's more pitying Subaru than sympathy. And if it's sympathy they are probably relating to Subaru with how he's fucked things up and even though he had good intentions, he didn't stop to consider what other people thought and let his emotions get to him. |
FragOutFire said: Jagd84 said: That's where you wrong. That duel between Julius and Suabru had little do with helping Emilia herself ... That's what my smart-ass sarcastic question meant. You said I'm wrong but then basically just agreed with me? I can't believe so many people are sympathizing with Subaru for being a beta orbiter whiteknight. Emilia doesn't consider Subaru that close of a friend. She doesn't want him there. He crossed the line when he butted into her business. And then he started dumb fights and ended up screaming at her saying, "Look at how nice I am, I deserve your admiration." If this was happening on Earth, Subaru would be complaining on his facebook how dumb bitches don't appreciate nice guys and only go for jerks I'm sympathizing because he's not being a beta whiteknight. Just because you making retartded reductionist comments does not change Subaru had his reason for what he did and that due past events that happening to him for over month. I'm sorry if you fucking incapable of viewing a situation multiple perspectives based on a individual character circumstances beyond your bias. That is no my problem. |
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