| I may be wrong, but animated shows appear to be a much larger industry in Asia (Not just Japan, but China and Taiwan too), while in the West, we appear to favor shows/movies with actual actors (Hollywood etc.). And while Japanese anime itself may have some popularity here, the West doesn't really have much in regards to its own animation industry. Western cartoons tend to be ridiculous and comedic, normally targeted towards child audiences, and the only cartoons off the top of my head that could be taken otherwise are Disney and Marvel/DC Comics related stuff (that superhero stuff, which Japan appears to be getting in on). Japan has tons of studios releasing tons of animated TV shows each season, most of which are adapted blu-ray and sold too. So yeah, why is animation such a huge industry in Asia and not in the West? Is it just because Japanese people are horrible live-actors (as opposed to voice, as may be caused by their repressive culture)? Edit: Obviously some people don't understand the difference between something "less ridiculous" such as Batman, and something "aboslutely ridiculous," such as Tom and Jerry or Spongebob (and also the genre that the West appears to focus on). And the existence of all of these examples doesn't change the fact that their popularity and size of industry in their own country are far smaller compared to anime in Japan. It'd be nice if people wouldn't list crap without making a point. |
MortalMelancholyFeb 14, 2016 3:30 PM
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| What is Disney? What is Pixar? What is Dreamworks? What is DC Universe? What is Marvel? You're only seeing what you want to see. |
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| simply because there are just more people watching (overpopulation = more demand) and i dont know about you but here in south east asia, there are more fans of live action shows like telenovelas, that majority of anime fans here are just those who have internet and are young |
TR-8RCaim said: What is Disney? What is Pixar? What is Dreamworks? What is DC Universe? What is Marvel? You're only seeing what you want to see. Bra, I seriously ain't seeing it. And if you don't know them, then Western animation must be even smaller than I thought. |
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TR-8RCaim said: What is Disney? What is Pixar? What is Dreamworks? What is DC Universe? What is Marvel? You're only seeing what you want to see. Also Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network and Adult Swim |
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| Alternatively, What is dorama? What is bollywood? What is korean dramas? What is japanese game shows? What are hong kong action movies? But yeah.. animation shows are really big in Japan, while the west is bigger on animated movies.. Also, i don't think the rest of Asia shares the same passion for them chinese cartoons |
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| Live action shows especially Jdramas and Kdramas are far more popular than anime in Asia. Anime is a niche thing even in Japan and the most popular anime in Japan are kids anime like Doraemon, Shin Chan, Sazae- san etc. |
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romagia said: Alternatively, What is dorama? What is bollywood? What is korean dramas? What is japanese game shows? What are hong kong action movies? But yeah.. animation shows are really big in Japan, while the west is bigger on animated movies.. Also, i don't think the rest of Asia shares the same passion for them chinese cartoons trust me brother Chinese cartoon and drama has already conquered asia |
| It's nationalistic pride, they don't want to watch anything by asians. Show an older person anime and they dismiss it as "Chinese cartoons" while praising western ones. |
ichii_1Feb 14, 2016 3:29 PM
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| What is Newgrounds? What is Youtube? What is Egoraptor? What is EddsWorld? What is Harry Partridge? What is psychicpebbles? What is TIE Fighter? What is Lucasfilm Animation? What is Warner Bros. Animation? What is 20th Century Fox Animation? I'm not even including the French animation industry because that's a entire power house of its own. |
PeenusWeenusCaimFeb 14, 2016 3:28 PM
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TR-8RCaim said: What is Newgrounds? What is Youtube? What is Egoraptor? What is EddsWorld? What is Harry Partridge? What is psychicpebbles? What is TIE Fighter? What is Lucasfilm Animation? What is Warner Bros. Animation? What is 20th Century Fox Animation? I'm not even including the French animation industry because that's a entire power house of its own. Your listed studios and "other things" are still relatively small scale. And I could care less about froggies, America IS the West. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Western Europe has always also been part of the West genius.TR-8RCaim said: What is Newgrounds? What is Youtube? What is Egoraptor? What is EddsWorld? What is Harry Partridge? What is psychicpebbles? What is TIE Fighter? What is Lucasfilm Animation? What is Warner Bros. Animation? What is 20th Century Fox Animation? I'm not even including the French animation industry because that's a entire power house of its own. Your listed studios and "other things" are still relatively small scale. And I could care less about froggies, America IS the West. |
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| ^oh, if only disney did the kind of animation you'd find on newgrounds... |
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DateYutaka said: From that list only Lucasfilm is owned by Disney.TR-8RCaim said: What is Newgrounds? What is Youtube? What is Egoraptor? What is EddsWorld? What is Harry Partridge? What is psychicpebbles? What is TIE Fighter? What is Lucasfilm Animation? What is Warner Bros. Animation? What is 20th Century Fox Animation? I'm not even including the French animation industry because that's a entire power house of its own. most of them are owned by disney fact |
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DrGeroCreation said: From that list only Lucasfilm is owned by Disney. ... Just looked at your list, one is youtube, and another happens to post videos ON youtube. You can hardly call that part of an industry. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Youtube is a platform. DC, Federatorstudios, Hasbro use youtube to post their animated web series.DrGeroCreation said: From that list only Lucasfilm is owned by Disney. ... Just looked at your list, one is youtube, and another happens to post videos ON youtube. You can hardly call that part of an industry. |
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| Unlike Japan, the animation industry in the west has grown large enough to include internet platforms like Youtube as a viable means of monetizing and sharing creative works. |
TyrelFeb 14, 2016 3:58 PM
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| Japan sees animation as more of an artform than the west does. |
DateYutaka said: So you're saying Warner Bros. animation is irrelevant because they dabble in live action too?outside of Disney [ who own alot o other studios or at lest co own the rights t alot of other studios works] there is no fully independent studou n the us know or made famous by animation in the us WB animation it part of a major moivie studio hell even dreamwork animation part of dream works is owned by ambiln studios 7 HB owned by Warner need i go on Japan has alot more studios that are fully owned by there founders and are not just sub hourse of bigger movie studios Thank god you live in Japan, I don't know what I'd do if you were an animation critic in the west. AltoRoark99 said: You're joking right? Animation is HUGE in the west. The quality of animations are better than the Japanese as well.Japan sees animation as more of an artform than the west does. |
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| There are so much anime released because anime are just adaptions of source material. Any popular manga, LN,VN, videogame at some point is going to get an anime adaption. Most cartoons now are originals and even cartoons part of franchises usually aren't adaptions. The anime industry is like Hollywood super commercialized and mass produced while American cartoons now are like Indie. |
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| Indie animation is just as relevant to the industry as big budget animation studios. Excluding them from the argument only speaks of your ignorance. |
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DateYutaka said: You only said Disney and inide stuff is still animation whether you want to believe so or not.DrGeroCreation said: From that list only Lucasfilm is owned by Disney. i ment ownd by dinsey or otherwise part of bigget houses and i dont count indie animation in this debate since out side pf animation buffs like us who here watches [ fully indepdant animation] i beleve egorator is part of MCN On YT so he not fully indendane i use Kojj yuri as the biggest japanese indie animator ever |
DrGeroCreationFeb 14, 2016 3:57 PM
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DateYutaka said: Disney stuff can hardly be called adaptions because they tend to be very different from the original.disnsey are well know for adaptations and use that term loosly they butcher most of there adaptions |
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DateYutaka said: How is that a bad thing? What's so wrong with taking an idea and creating a new spin on it?DrGeroCreation said: There are so much anime released because anime are just adaptions of source material. Any popular manga, LN,VN, videogame at some point is going to get an anime adaption. Most cartoons now are originals and even cartoons part of franchises usually aren't adaptions. The anime industry is like Hollywood super commercialized and mass produced while American cartoons now are like Indie. disnsey are well know for adaptations and use that term loosly they butcher most of there adaptions |
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DateYutaka said: You don't need expensive animation software or big budgeting department to make quality animations. Drawing is just as talent-based as music.TR-8RCaim said: Indie animation is just as relevant to the industry as big budget animation studios. Excluding them from the argument only speaks of your ignorance. in mondern times it is not since no indie animaotr be it japan or eu or us or any were has the top of the rage animation softwere that top studio do musicis fare to comperre indie to major label stuff since its more based on Pure Talent at song writing and instrumentation then who has the most money Once again, I breathe a sigh of relief knowing that you're not an animation critic in the west. |
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DateYutaka said: LOL no that's not how it works. Having the same name as the source material doesn't automatically make something an adaption.DrGeroCreation said: Disney stuff can hardly be called adaptions because they tend to be very different from the original. they use the name of the work thus it an adaptation why use the name of a famous work be it public domain or not [ yes most disnety adpations are public domain] are still adaption in my book |
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| Because you see what you want to see and you aren't open to opinions contrary to your own. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Live action shows especially Jdramas and Kdramas are far more popular than anime in Asia. Anime is a niche thing even in Japan and the most popular anime in Japan are kids anime like Doraemon, Shin Chan, Sazae- san etc. Anime is a niche thing in Japan which is debatable imo, but manga is definitely not niche in Japan. |
This animation, made with love and fine attention to detail, is irrelevant because it was made by one guy. This hamster meme anime, however, is relevant because it was made by a studio. ??? |
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| Who the fuck cares about awards given out by a bunch of old men in a tight-knit committee? As long as the work is entertaining and pleases an audience, then that's all that matters. You should base your opinion on the work itself, not what others think. But then again, I don't think this will ever go to your head since you parade your guidelines on "TV ratings" and muh "merchandise sales" |
PeenusWeenusCaimFeb 14, 2016 4:28 PM
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TR-8RCaim said: i like my anime to be audience pleasing, but not entertainingAs long as the work is entertaining and pleases an audience, then that's all that matters. |
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TR-8RCaim said: That "Hamster meme anime" is relevant because the producers had an advertisement campaign and owned a time slot in a TV station. How do you want that an audience enjoy a show if they don't even know it existed?This animation, made with love and fine attention to detail, is irrelevant because it was made by one guy. This hamster meme anime, however, is relevant because it was made by a studio. ??? |
 NasalShark said: I'd love to squeeze your nipples until they look like a purple slushie, Senpai. |
-Senpai- said: The TIE Fighter animation had no producers, was made by one guy, had no advertising campaign, and didn't own a time slot in a TV station. Yet it received over 5 million views and met with overwhelmingly positive reception on a platform that is heavily saturated with other works.That "Hamster meme anime" is relevant because the producers had an advertisement campaign and owned a time slot in a TV station. How do you want that an audience enjoy a show if they don't even know it existed? I don't know, maybe by being GOOD? |
PeenusWeenusCaimFeb 14, 2016 4:24 PM
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| I think the title is slightly fallacious. Anime is a big thing in Japan though. I don't want to sound obvious here but it's really just... cultural differences. It's what every Japenese kid sees on TV and in the streets, they are bound to grow up with it. |
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keragamming said: I know manga isn't niche in Japan hence why I didn't say it was. Late night anime is generally niche in Japan while kids anime are more known to the general population.DrGeroCreation said: Live action shows especially Jdramas and Kdramas are far more popular than anime in Asia. Anime is a niche thing even in Japan and the most popular anime in Japan are kids anime like Doraemon, Shin Chan, Sazae- san etc. Anime is a niche thing in Japan which is debatable imo, but manga is definitely not niche in Japan. |
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TR-8RCaim said: I don't know, maybe releasing YOUR PRODUCT FOR FREE?-Senpai- said: The TIE Fighter animation had no producers, was made by one guy, had no advertising campaign, and didn't own a time slot in a TV station. Yet it received over 5 million views with overwhelmingly positive reception on a platform that is heavily saturated with other works.That "Hamster meme anime" is relevant because the producers had an advertisement campaign and owned a time slot in a TV station. How do you want that an audience enjoy a show if they don't even know it existed? I don't know, maybe being GOOD? |
NasalShark said: I'd love to squeeze your nipples until they look like a purple slushie, Senpai. |
-Senpai- said: What exactly are you trying to argue here?TR-8RCaim said: I don't know, maybe releasing YOUR PRODUCT FOR FREE?The TIE Fighter animation had no producers, was made by one guy, had no advertising campaign, and didn't own a time slot in a TV station. Yet it received over 5 million views with overwhelmingly positive reception on a platform that is heavily saturated with other works. I don't know, maybe being GOOD? Both products are free. |
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