| The Holocaust is perhaps the most famous mass murder there is. I'm asking whether or not it should be so. I'm interested in how it's perceived in your country - is just mentioned in your history class? Or do you go deeper into the subject? |
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| My high school offered a history course about the holocaust. They visited some concentration camps as well. |
| We learnt quite a bit about it when we were learning about world war 2. I dont think we went too deep into it, but we mostly learnt about what life was like for the victims, stats, some of the terrible things they did and and we probably watched a documentary or two. |
Dawn said: We learnt quite a bit about it when we were learning about world war 2. I dont think we went too deep into it, but we mostly learnt about what life was like for the victims, stats, some of the terrible things they did and and we probably watched a documentary or two. Same here. And the point when we supposed to nnot too deep into it was just right. somehow. |
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| Germany I'm getting post war guilt shoved down my throat. Denying it gets you in jail. Nazi symbolism is censored in Vidya. We only recently got around to cover 2nd world war in history class instead of focusing on 1. WW and Bismarck and WW2 being a taboo you can't talk about. |
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Rohypnol said: It was bad and germans are horrible people that should never be able to form a group more than 30 people ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮ |
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Yamafam94 said: That sucks man :/. The Nazis really did a number on your culture and history. Germany I'm getting post war guilt shoved down my throat. Denying it gets you in jail. Nazi symbolism is censored in Vidya. We only recently got around to cover 2nd world war in history class instead of focusing on 1. WW and Bismarck and WW2 being a taboo you can't talk about. OP, "Damn dem German Nazi, deh dah most evil criminals ever!" I think sums up some views. Of course personally delving into WW2 and seeing that everyone was guilty of war crimes and the Jews didn't even suffer the largest casualties I don't see it as horrible, but it's still pretty horrible. |
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| yeah, it's part of the British syllabus too. and any questionable questions are not welcome. we didnt go very deep into it but we visited some museum(s) and got lectures on it by individuals who've specialised in the topic. |
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Astros said: Yamafam94 said: That sucks man :/. The Nazis really did a number on your culture and history. Germany I'm getting post war guilt shoved down my throat. Denying it gets you in jail. Nazi symbolism is censored in Vidya. We only recently got around to cover 2nd world war in history class instead of focusing on 1. WW and Bismarck and WW2 being a taboo you can't talk about. OP, "Damn dem German Nazi, deh dah most evil criminals ever!" I think sums up some views. Of course personally delving into WW2 and seeing that everyone was guilty of war crimes and the Jews didn't even suffer the largest casualties I don't see it as horrible, but it's still pretty horrible. I just want my country to stop tip toeing to not look anything like the Nazis (Even tho nothing is like the nazis, not even the neonazis). I wanna play Vidya where I can shoot the Nazis like the Americans can. I want my country to stop backing Israel in their Gaza war. I wanna be able to openly talk about anything whether it involves my country's past or not. |
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Dawn said: ^We learnt quite a bit about it when we were learning about world war 2. I dont think we went too deep into it, but we mostly learnt about what life was like for the victims, stats, some of the terrible things they did and and we probably watched a documentary or two. Though I do consider myself more knowlegeable about WW2 than most people but that's because I've always found it interesting and I've read a lot about it on my own I've even read parts of Mein Kampf |
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Yamafam94 said: Astros said: That sucks man :/. The Nazis really did a number on your culture and history. OP, "Damn dem German Nazi, deh dah most evil criminals ever!" I think sums up some views. Of course personally delving into WW2 and seeing that everyone was guilty of war crimes and the Jews didn't even suffer the largest casualties I don't see it as horrible, but it's still pretty horrible. I just want my country to stop tip toeing to not look anything like the Nazis (Even tho nothing is like the nazis, not even the neonazis). I wanna play Vidya where I can shoot the Nazis like the Americans can. I want my country to stop backing Israel in their Gaza war. I wanna be able to openly talk about anything whether it involves my country's past or not. Considering Israel is a secular country fighting against religious extremists (Hamas are fighting for freedom? Then why are they jailing atheists?), no surprise Germany backs them. The post-war guilt thing should die already though. |
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Rohypnol said: NahComic_Sans said: ^ Though I do consider myself more knowlegeable about WW2 than most people but that's because I've always found it interesting and I've read a lot about it on my own I've even read parts of Mein Kampf You should read the manga It was an interesting read and you really get a better understanding of Hitler's personality and reasoning but I don't think I would want to read it again |
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Yamafam94 said: Germany I'm getting post war guilt shoved down my throat. Denying it gets you in jail. Nazi symbolism is censored in Vidya. We only recently got around to cover 2nd world war in history class instead of focusing on 1. WW and Bismarck and WW2 being a taboo you can't talk about. I read in few books that self flagelancy for war become like fetish to some germans. Few months ago even Israel prime minister told that its not entirely Germans fault for holocaust but... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3282768/Israeli-PM-Netanyahu-condemned-suggesting-Hitler-exterminated-Jews-Palestinian-leader-told-burn-them.html |
Comic_Sans said: Rohypnol said: NahYou should read the manga It was an interesting read and you really get a better understanding of Hitler's personality and reasoning but I don't think I would want to read it again Most boring book I've ever read. |
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Yamafam94 said: Yeah, it'll be hard to eventually get around to that when the world blames you largely for the crimes of WW2. Hopefully with time things will change and you'll regain your freedom of speech and cultural/historic past.I just want my country to stop tip toeing to not look anything like the Nazis (Even tho nothing is like the nazis, not even the neonazis). I wanna play Vidya where I can shoot the Nazis like the Americans can. I want my country to stop backing Israel in their Gaza war. I wanna be able to openly talk about anything whether it involves my country's past or not. TheBrainintheJar said: Agreed.The post-war guilt thing should die already though. |
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| I don't know the rest of the country, but in my state we learn about it in 7th or 8th grade. But they say some teachers of some schools teach that the Holocaust is fake... |
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| Many believe it never happened. Many don't even know about it. But there's always the brighter side: the intellectual clergy. They know. And they're sane enough to know it was bad. |
MateusGott said: But they say some teachers of some schools teach that the Holocaust is fake... Please be true. Recommended redpills Germar Rudolf - Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory Germar Rudolf and Carlo Mottogno - Auschwitz-Lies. Legends, Lies, and Prejudices on the Holocaust Thomas Goodrich - Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947 older but useful: David Irving - Nuremberg: The Last Battle Richard Verrell - Did Six Million Really Die? Arthur Butz - The Hoax of the Twentieth Century There are many others but that's a reasonable start |
FahtahSensei said: Lol?MateusGott said: But they say some teachers of some schools teach that the Holocaust is fake... Please be true. Recommended redpills Germar Rudolf - Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory Germar Rudolf and Carlo Mottogno - Auschwitz-Lies. Legends, Lies, and Prejudices on the Holocaust Thomas Goodrich - Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947 older but useful: David Irving - Nuremberg: The Last Battle Richard Verrell - Did Six Million Really Die? Arthur Butz - The Hoax of the Twentieth Century There are many others but that's a reasonable start EminemVEVO said: Twilight is worseComic_Sans said: Nah It was an interesting read and you really get a better understanding of Hitler's personality and reasoning but I don't think I would want to read it again Most boring book I've ever read. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: Lol? Yeah sorry you probably get 6 million years jail for hate crime if you read those in Sweden, or 1 week if you rape and kill somebody while screaming Aloha Snackbar! or whatever it is. |
| We're actually discussing it right now in my History class. (Well actually, we discussed the Beer hall putsch today, but we're going to discus the holocaust within a few weeks.) The first time it's discussed is in elementary school, around age 10/11. It gets discussed once more in the equivalent of middle school, and once more in the equivalent high-school. (Only in 'high-school' if you chose history as a subject though.) It's one of the four focus points in the History curriculum in my country(If you're taking it at Atheneum/Gymnasium level). 1) The Dutch Golden age 2) The French revolution/Enlightenment and its effects. 3) German history 1871-1945 (Holocaust is an important part of this) 4) The cold war We also have a national day in my country where each year two minutes of silence are held for the victims of the holocaust and other war victims. |
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FahtahSensei said: I've been to Auschwitz bruh, I think I'll choose to believe my own eyes, the testimonies I've read etc instead of a bunch of extreme right wing lunatic chroniclesComic_Sans said: Lol? Yeah sorry you probably get 6 million years jail for hate crime if you read those in Sweden, or 1 week if you rape and kill somebody while screaming Aloha Snackbar! or whatever it is. And the glorious konungariket Sverige is not as PC as before |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: FahtahSensei said: I've been to Auschwitz bruh, I think I'll choose to believe my own eyes, the testimonies I've read etc instead of a bunch of extreme right wing mindfucketery chroniclesYeah sorry you probably get 6 million years jail for hate crime if you read those in Sweden, or 1 week if you rape and kill somebody while screaming Aloha Snackbar! or whatever it is. And Sweden is not as PC as before Check out the scientific studies then. Including the ones made in the 90s by Jew David Cole. Auschwitz is a friggin theme park for another kind of mindfucketery. Staff have gone on record saying that much of the so called gas chambers were mock ups built after the war. From the lack of blue stains on the wall, wooden doors, the amount of time it takes to cremate bodies, the fact that the figures of the death toll at that camp have changed numerous times over the years while the 6 million number remains the same, the fact that the same 6 million jews killed number was quoted dozens of times for events leading back into the 19th century. I guess Sweden wouldn't be as pc when it is well on it's way to being a caliphate thanks to liberal democracy yeah? When I see a viking uprising I'll change my opinion. |
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EminemVEVO said: Then where did the jews go? America, Israel, many stayed in Europe. lots of places. The world jewish population immediately after the war is actually slightly higher than it was a couple of years prior to it. |
FahtahSensei said: And that still doesn't explain the shit ton of evidence that contradicts your claims about the HC never happeningComic_Sans said: I've been to Auschwitz bruh, I think I'll choose to believe my own eyes, the testimonies I've read etc instead of a bunch of extreme right wing mindfucketery chronicles And Sweden is not as PC as before Check out the scientific studies then. Including the ones made in the 90s by Jew David Cole. Auschwitz is a friggin theme park for another kind of mindfucketery. Staff have gone on record saying that much of the so called gas chambers were mock ups built after the war. From the lack of blue stains on the wall, wooden doors, the amount of time it takes to cremate bodies, the fact that the figures of the death toll at that camp have changed numerous times over the years while the 6 million number remains the same, the fact that the same 6 million jews killed number was quoted dozens of times for events leading back into the 19th century. I guess Sweden wouldn't be as pc when it is well on it's way to being a caliphate thanks to liberal democracy yeah? When I see a viking uprising I'll change my opinion. If you want me to believe you then I expect more proof Not really, SD is currently one of the most popular political parties and it's only a matter of time before we'll close the borders |
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| We were the allies of Hitler, sadly, so it's a very imporant and sensitive subject in our history. Our leader, Horthy, allied Hungary with Nazi Germany to gain back the territory that was stolen from us after WW1, and was mostly inhabited by ethnic Hungarians (and they were oppressed). Horthy tried to make his own ruling dynasty, but his oldest son died and his only alive son was kidnapped by the Gestapo. Hitler blackmailed him. Our leadership tried to postpone Hitler's order (to begin collecting Jews and transporting them to concentration camps). When the Soviet counterattack began, Horthy tried to jump out of the war and ask for peace from the USSR, but he failed. The Hungarian Nazi party took over and they began collecting and mass murdering jews. Thanks to the libtards in my country Horthy is considered a fascist dictator while in fact he tried to do his best for the country. Sure, he has made several bad decisions, but he was not an evil man trying to gas all the jews. Sure, the Holocaust was very bad, but it's really annoying how 90% of our historical movies are about the Holocaust, while literally nothing is made about Hungarian history. On another note, Holocaust is a very important and sensitive topic because before WW2, Hungary had a very high number of Jewish people and German people. After WW2, the Jews, well, they were gassed (or they migrated to the newly formed Israel), while the Germans were deported by the Soviets. It's kind of sad how what happened to the Jews is the center of the universe, while nobody gives a shit about the Eastern/Central Europeans (Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Germans, etc.) who were deported to Siberia for their ethnicity. |
Szefi said: Wasn't Szálasi much worse than Horthy?We were the allies of Hitler, sadly, so it's a very imporant and sensitive subject in our history. Our leader, Horthy, allied Hungary with Nazi Germany to gain back the territory that was stolen from us after WW1, and was mostly inhabited by ethnic Hungarians (and they were oppressed). Horthy tried to make his own ruling dynasty, but his oldest son died and his only alive son was kidnapped by the Gestapo. Hitler blackmailed him. Our leadership tried to postpone Hitler's order (to begin collecting Jews and transporting them to concentration camps). When the Soviet counterattack began, Horthy tried to jump out of the war and ask for peace from the USSR, but he failed. The Hungarian Nazi party took over and they began collecting and mass murdering jews. Thanks to the libtards in my country Horthy is considered a fascist dictator while in fact he tried to do his best for the country. Sure, he has made several bad decisions, but he was not an evil man trying to gas all the jews. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: FahtahSensei said: And that still doesn't explain the shit ton of evidence that contradicts your claims about the HC never happeningCheck out the scientific studies then. Including the ones made in the 90s by Jew David Cole. Auschwitz is a friggin theme park for another kind of mindfucketery. Staff have gone on record saying that much of the so called gas chambers were mock ups built after the war. From the lack of blue stains on the wall, wooden doors, the amount of time it takes to cremate bodies, the fact that the figures of the death toll at that camp have changed numerous times over the years while the 6 million number remains the same, the fact that the same 6 million jews killed number was quoted dozens of times for events leading back into the 19th century. I guess Sweden wouldn't be as pc when it is well on it's way to being a caliphate thanks to liberal democracy yeah? When I see a viking uprising I'll change my opinion. If you want me to believe you then I expect more proof Not really, SD is currently one of the most popular political parties and it's only a matter of time before we'll close the borders If you want to do more research on the matter that's up to you if your're really interested. Go on youtube and see the docos on the matter then start cross-checking the information from a variety of sources. I'm not a phd on historical revisionism, I'm just laying the groundwork by giving you some of what I've researched. I have heard of the gaining popularity of the SD yes. But in the meantime is it not against the law still to criticise immigration? Even if it stops right now which is not likely Swedes are in serious danger of being outbred. I certainly hope in changes, I don't hold any antipathy towards Swedes I just think they dug themselves a very big hole to crawl out of. |
Comic_Sans said: He was. He was the leader of the Hungarian Nazis (the Arrow Cross Party). He is responsible for murdering about 10,000 jews. He's not a nice guy.Szefi said: Wasn't Szálasi much worse than Horthy?We were the allies of Hitler, sadly, so it's a very imporant and sensitive subject in our history. Our leader, Horthy, allied Hungary with Nazi Germany to gain back the territory that was stolen from us after WW1, and was mostly inhabited by ethnic Hungarians (and they were oppressed). Horthy tried to make his own ruling dynasty, but his oldest son died and his only alive son was kidnapped by the Gestapo. Hitler blackmailed him. Our leadership tried to postpone Hitler's order (to begin collecting Jews and transporting them to concentration camps). When the Soviet counterattack began, Horthy tried to jump out of the war and ask for peace from the USSR, but he failed. The Hungarian Nazi party took over and they began collecting and mass murdering jews. Thanks to the libtards in my country Horthy is considered a fascist dictator while in fact he tried to do his best for the country. Sure, he has made several bad decisions, but he was not an evil man trying to gas all the jews. |
FahtahSensei said: CoolComic_Sans said: And that still doesn't explain the shit ton of evidence that contradicts your claims about the HC never happening If you want me to believe you then I expect more proof Not really, SD is currently one of the most popular political parties and it's only a matter of time before we'll close the borders If you want to do more research on the matter that's up to you if your're really interested. Go on youtube and see the docos on the matter then start cross-checking the information from a variety of sources. I'm not a phd on historical revisionism, I'm just laying the groundwork by giving you some of what I've researched. I have heard of the gaining popularity of the SD yes. But in the meantime is it not against the law still to criticise immigration? Even if it stops right now which is not likely Swedes are in serious danger of being outbred. I certainly hope in changes, I don't hold any antipathy towards Swedes I just think they dug themselves a very big hole to crawl out of. You can be prosecuted if you criticize immigration by resorting to "hate speech, harrassement or spreading false information" but no, it's not actually forbidden to do that and it's never been Szefi said: I can see whyComic_Sans said: He was. He was the leader of the Hungarian Nazis (the Arrow Cross Party). He is responsible for murdering about 10,000 jews. He's not a nice guy.Wasn't Szálasi much worse than Horthy? |
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FahtahSensei said: EminemVEVO said: Then where did the jews go? America, Israel, many stayed in Europe. lots of places. The world jewish population immediately after the war is actually slightly higher than it was a couple of years prior to it. Source? The stats I found disagree with that. |
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