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Jan 26, 2015 10:48 PM

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Mickdrew said:
Ya forgot Archer vs Lancer

The fight that kicked it off.


I know I forgot something amazing :P



Also Archer vs Seiba for dat remembrance smirk-grin-thing.
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Jan 26, 2015 10:49 PM

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Saber vs. Kojiro was a really good fight too, but too short.

I think they are saving the best for the rematch.
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mira-lala said:
Mickdrew said:
Ya forgot Archer vs Lancer

The fight that kicked it off.


I know I forgot something amazing :P



Also Archer vs Seiba for dat remembrance smirk-grin-thing.


love a good reunion ^^

Didn't think it was much of a smirk. More like "oh shit, not you...."
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Mickdrew said:
mira-lala said:


I know I forgot something amazing :P



Also Archer vs Seiba for dat remembrance smirk-grin-thing.


love a good reunion ^^

Didn't think it was much of a smirk. More like "oh shit, not you...."


Neither did I but, herp human vocabulary derp.


It's the food, isn't it? She ate all his food and spent his moneh @_@
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Yup :D

You never see it in the VN, but after FSN Shirou goes into poverty and starts using food stamps cuz of Saber.
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My top 5 would look like this:

1. Shirou vs Archer UBW
2. Shirou vs Berserker HF
3. Shirou vs Kirei HF
4. Shirou & Rider vs Saber HF
5. Archer vs Lancer UBW

Honorable mentions: Rin vs Sakura (HF), Kirei vs Asassin & Zouken (HF), Shirou vs Gil (UBW) and Kerry vs Kirei (F/Z)

HF isn't even my favorite route, but damn the fights there are epic (especially if it involves Shirou Kirei).
Jan 27, 2015 2:44 AM

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black1blade said:
We all know knk has the best ufotabel fight scenes guys.

Not particularly. If anything KNK is even less about the fights than other TM franchises.
Jan 27, 2015 3:14 AM

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1. Shirou vs Kirei (HF)
2. Shirou & Rider vs Saber Alter (HF)
3. Shirou vs Dark Berserker (HF)
4. Shirou vs Archer (UBW)
5. Shirou vs Gilgamesh (UBW)
6. Kirei vs Kiritsugu (F/Z)
7. Saber vs Berserker (F/Z)
8. Archer vs Lancer 2 (UBW)
9. Rider vs Saber (Fate)
10. Saber vs Gilgamesh (Fate)

The first five are pretty much on the same level for me, though.
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Jan 27, 2015 7:23 AM

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For reference, these are all the battles explicitly covered in the VN, if I didn't forget any, and F/Z.

Prologue/Night of Fate:

* Archer vs Lancer Round 1
* Saber vs Lancer

Fate route:

* Saber vs Berserker
* Saber vs Assassin
* Shirou/Saber vs Shinji/Rider
* Saber vs Rider
* Shirou/Rin/Saber vs Berserker
* Saber/Shirou vs Caster skeletons
* Saber/Shirou vs Gilgamesh
* Shirou vs Kirei; Saber vs Gilgamesh

Unlimited Blade Works route:

* Saber/Archer vs Berserker; Rin vs Ilya (Ufo anime)
* Shirou vs Rin
* Saber vs Assassin Round 1
* Archer vs Caster
* Shirou/Rin/Saber vs Caster skeletons
* Shirou/Rin/Saber vs Kuzuki/Caster
* Berserker vs Gilgamesh
* Archer vs Lancer Round 2
* Shirou/Rin vs Kuzuki/Caster
* Shirou/Saber vs Archer
* Shirou vs Archer
* Saber vs Assassin Round 2
* Shirou vs Gilgamesh

Heaven's Feel route:

* Saber vs Rider
* Lancer vs True Assassin
* Saber vs True Assassin
* Rider vs True Assassin
* Rider vs Archer
* Berserker vs Saber Alter and True Assassin and Shadow
* Archer vs True Assassin
* Kirei vs True Assassin
* Shirou vs Dark Berserker
* Shirou vs Saber Alter (SLH End)
* Shirou/Rider vs Saber Alter
* Rin vs Sakura
* Shirou vs Kirei

Fate/Zero:

* F/Z Assassin vs Gilgamesh
* Saber vs F/Z Lancer Round 1
* F/Z Berserker vs Gilgamesh
* F/Z Caster vs Saber/Lancer
* Kiritsugu vs Kayneth
* Kirei vs Iri/Maiya
* F/Z Rider vs F/Z Assassin
* Battle of Mion River
- Kariya vs Tokiomi
- Saber/Rider (+ Gil) vs F/Z Caster
- F/Z Berserker vs Gilgamesh, Saber (+ F/Z Lancer)
* Saber vs F/Z Lancer
* Saber vs Rider
* Rider vs Gilgamesh
* Saber vs F/Z Berserker
* Kiritsugu vs Kirei
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You missed Zouken and Fake Caster vs Archer and Saber.
Jan 27, 2015 7:33 AM

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Insertanamehere said:
You missed Zouken and Fake Caster vs Archer and Saber.


Was that even a "fight"? I disregarded this one, the HF Saber vs Caster at temple, and Archer vs Kuzuki.
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-kV- said:
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You missed Zouken and Fake Caster vs Archer and Saber.


Was that even a "fight"? I disregarded this one, the HF Saber vs Caster at temple, and Archer vs Kuzuki.

I guess not.
Jan 27, 2015 8:31 AM

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The second UBW cour (Lancer vs Archer Round 2, Shirou vs Archer, Shirou vs Gilgamesh) and the likely last HF film (covering the wild days 14-16) have the best stretch of fights.
Jan 27, 2015 8:34 AM

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-kV- said:
The second UBW cour (Lancer vs Archer Round 2, Shirou vs Archer, Shirou vs Gilgamesh) and the likely last HF film (covering the wild days 14-16) have the best stretch of fights.


The only other thing I would want from ufotable is Rider vs Saber from Fate :(
Jan 27, 2015 8:37 AM

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SpaceHamster said:
I sincerely hope answer gets its own episode from before and just when emiya theme kicks in.

Otherwise, I fear it will miss its impact completely.


This scene is so easy to mess up I really hope they show it's a psychological battle as well. I wish Shirou would actually say "I am the Bone of my Sword" in engrish like Archer.
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nocorras said:
SpaceHamster said:
I sincerely hope answer gets its own episode from before and just when emiya theme kicks in.

Otherwise, I fear it will miss its impact completely.


This scene is so easy to mess up I really hope they show it's a psychological battle as well. I wish Shirou would actually say "I am the Bone of my Sword" in engrish like Archer.


Half of F/Z final duel was monologues, so they could do the same here.
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-kV- said:
nocorras said:


This scene is so easy to mess up I really hope they show it's a psychological battle as well. I wish Shirou would actually say "I am the Bone of my Sword" in engrish like Archer.


Half of F/Z final duel was monologues, so they could do the same here.


That's the only fight that gives me some hope that they can pull off Answer. I'm going to be really disappointed if that fight gets monologues and Answer gets 0.
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nocorras said:
-kV- said:


Half of F/Z final duel was monologues, so they could do the same here.


That's the only fight that gives me some hope that they can pull of Answer. I'm going to be really disappointed if that fight gets monologues and Answer gets 0.


This is what you get without monologues. To be honest, I loved the scene still. Best part of the film. I loved how EMIYA was interlayed here.

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-kV- said:
nocorras said:


That's the only fight that gives me some hope that they can pull of Answer. I'm going to be really disappointed if that fight gets monologues and Answer gets 0.


This is what you get without monologues. To be honest, I loved the scene still. Best part of the film. I loved how EMIYA was interlayed here.



It was ok but I don't really like it because it never really shows Shirou doubting himself for a moment and realizing that's why he's losing it just skips the whole end of the fight and goes right to the kill shot after he falls on his knees

. I like the VN version so much because at the end it switches between Archer and Shirou's perspective and Archer is like "wtf how is he still doing this"
Jan 27, 2015 9:21 AM

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My answer to your question is, well, Answer.
Jan 27, 2015 10:09 AM

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SpaceHamster said:
Mickdrew said:
Yup :D

You never see it in the VN, but after FSN Shirou goes into poverty and starts using food stamps cuz of Saber.


Isn't this explained in Carnival Phantasm with the Saber Lion thing?



Yup, and if he couldn't win the grail and make his wish in any of the routes, then he can't get his money back :(
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Jan 27, 2015 10:11 AM

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He can follow Rin's suggestion in HA.
Jan 27, 2015 10:20 AM

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Zombiepie said:
My favorites are as followed....

Fate
Saber vs Rider at the skyscraper


Crap, how did I miss this?!

The very first activation of Saber's "EKUSU-KARRRRIIIIBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" is not something that can simply be forgotten.

Plus, come on, this fight started off by racing above the side of a bloody building! In comparison, pretty much most if not all the other F/SN battles have been exclusively ground-based battles.


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Insertanamehere said:
He can follow Rin's suggestion in HA.
Lol but how long will the projection last?

Needs to be verified before sold if he's going to get the best return XD
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Jan 27, 2015 10:24 AM

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Mickdrew said:
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He can follow Rin's suggestion in HA.
Lol but how long will the projection last?

Needs to be verified before sold if he's going to get the best return XD

They'll disappear a few days or weeks at most afterwards. Shirou points this out. Rin says it's okay, he can disappear by that time so they won't be able to track him down.
MercifulPriest said:

Crap, how did I miss this?!

The very first activation of Saber's "EKUSU-KARRRRIIIIBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" is not something that can simply be forgotten.

But you did forget.
:p
Jan 27, 2015 10:25 AM

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Insertanamehere said:
Mickdrew said:
Lol but how long will the projection last?

Needs to be verified before sold if he's going to get the best return XD

They'll disappear a few days or weeks at most afterwards. Shirou points this out. Rin says it's okay, he can disappear by that time so they won't be able to track him down.


I think I know why Archer is executed...
Jan 27, 2015 10:26 AM

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chickenonthepan said:
Insertanamehere said:

They'll disappear a few days or weeks at most afterwards. Shirou points this out. Rin says it's okay, he can disappear by that time so they won't be able to track him down.


I think I know why Archer is executed...

LOL
How did they figure him out, though.
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Emiya Shirou: The world's most infamous con artist
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Jan 27, 2015 10:31 AM

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We all know knk has the best ufotabel fight scenes guys.
I thought KnK's fights were really short and meh. Also, I don't really like ufotable's use of random continuous camera movement.

e.g. KnK 5 when Shiki is using the sword (I could barely even tell what was happening), Fate/Zero when ____ backstabs ____ (it happens, then random camera 360 around the room).

Knk 5 had a stretched budget though. knk 7 fight scenes are where it's at (well knk 5 had really good scenes apart from the final fight which was still good)

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Jan 27, 2015 10:33 AM

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Insertanamehere said:
black1blade said:
We all know knk has the best ufotabel fight scenes guys.

Not particularly. If anything KNK is even less about the fights than other TM franchises.

Animation wise. Also because it isn't focused on the fights it's really cool when they pop up. I would rather have 1 amazingly animated fight that is ~1 min every hour than a bunch of long fights that don't look as good sometimes (cough-f/sn-cough)

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Jan 27, 2015 10:37 AM

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Insertanamehere said:

MercifulPriest said:

Crap, how did I miss this?!

The very first activation of Saber's "EKUSU-KARRRRIIIIBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" is not something that can simply be forgotten.

But you did forget.
:p


'simply'

It must have taken a lot of effort and time for my mind to make itself forget such a scene. Surely a valiant effort, but in the end, all dreamers must awaken and face reality. Hence, the result of this remembrance of mine was inevitable.


Jan 27, 2015 10:41 AM

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It really is a great fight, though, too bad we have to settle for just this
http://youtu.be/biL1Dbe6BC0?t=1m40s
unless UFO plans to adapt Fate anytime soon.
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I hope they do. Even if it's just a single movie or something and comes after HF, since it'd be nice to have something tangible beyond DEEN.

I mean come on - it's a battle on the side of a skyscraper! A FREAKING BATTLE ON THE SIDE OF A SKYSCRAPER! ;v;


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Insertanamehere said:
It really is a great fight, though, too bad we have to settle for just this
http://youtu.be/biL1Dbe6BC0?t=1m40s
unless UFO plans to adapt Fate anytime soon.


Whatchu mean, bra? we stil got dis
http://youtu.be/hCJYddATm3w?t=17m17s

masterpiece
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Mickdrew said:
Insertanamehere said:
It really is a great fight, though, too bad we have to settle for just this
http://youtu.be/biL1Dbe6BC0?t=1m40s
unless UFO plans to adapt Fate anytime soon.


Whatchu mean, bra? we stil got dis
http://youtu.be/hCJYddATm3w?t=17m17s

masterpiece

The music is good.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Jan 27, 2015 10:59 AM

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Mickdrew said:
Insertanamehere said:
It really is a great fight, though, too bad we have to settle for just this
http://youtu.be/biL1Dbe6BC0?t=1m40s
unless UFO plans to adapt Fate anytime soon.


Whatchu mean, bra? we stil got dis
http://youtu.be/hCJYddATm3w?t=17m17s

masterpiece

Wow that was even more unimpressive than I remembered.
The VN battle was cooler and more dynamic lol, and that's saying a lot considering it was still pictures.
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Insertanamehere said:

Wow that was even more unimpressive than I remembered.
The VN battle was cooler and more dynamic lol, and that's saying a lot considering it was still pictures.


Agreed, that fight is a lot more exciting in the VN. In Deen it's just kinda..... ehhhh

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The music is good.

That's true, the music was really good.
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Insertanamehere said:

Wow that was even more unimpressive than I remembered.
The VN battle was cooler and more dynamic lol, and that's saying a lot considering it was still pictures.


Well, that's the power of suggestion and imagination for you. While the anime gives off a solid 'this is what happened', the VN is more open and lets the majority of the motion happen within your head...

...or something like that.


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My ranking. How anime presents some of these might affect it:

1. Shirou vs Archer (UBW)
2. Shirou vs Gilgamesh (UBW)
3. Shirou vs Saber Alter (HF SLH)
4. Shirou vs Berserker (HF)
5. Kiritsugu vs Kirei (FZ)
6. Saber vs Rider (Fate)
7. Shirou/Rider vs Saber Alter (HF)
8. Shirou vs Kirei (HF)
9. Archer vs Lancer (UBW)
10. FZ Berserker vs Gilgamesh (FZ)
HM: Shirou/Saber vs Kirei/Gil (Fate) & Kirei vs True Assassin (HF)

Honestly, too many damn good fights. UBW second cour and final HF movie better deliver though.
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I felt the battle between Shirou vs Gilgamesh to be the best fight.

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Many people like SLH.

Which is not so good because it may be one great fight that we may never see animated.

On a side note, I hope Gay Bulg vs. Raw Ass will be epic.
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If we're only talking UBW 2014 anime fights, my personal favourite so far has been Saber vs Lancer in the first episode; very much on the short side, but a very good back and forth without interjections, up until Lancer fires up Gae Bolg.
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chickenonthepan said:
Many people like SLH.

Which is not so good because it may be one great fight that we may never see animated.

On a side note, I hope Gay Bulg vs. Raw Ass will be epic.


They have to know SLH is one of the most popular fights :(, I'm praying they adapt it.
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nocorras said:
chickenonthepan said:
Many people like SLH.

Which is not so good because it may be one great fight that we may never see animated.

On a side note, I hope Gay Bulg vs. Raw Ass will be epic.


They have to know SLH is one of the most popular fights :(, I'm praying they adapt it.


Pray with your wallet.
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fst said:
If we're only talking UBW 2014 anime fights, my personal favourite so far has been Saber vs Lancer in the first episode; very much on the short side, but a very good back and forth without interjections, up until Lancer fires up Gae Bolg.

This, archer and lancer was good too. The rest have been good-meh but those first 2 are what you expect from ufotable.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
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fst said:
If we're only talking UBW 2014 anime fights, my personal favourite so far has been Saber vs Lancer in the first episode; very much on the short side, but a very good back and forth without interjections, up until Lancer fires up Gae Bolg.

This, archer and lancer was good too. The rest have been good-meh but those first 2 are what you expect from ufotable.


You shouldn't expect that from ufotable since it's clearly the exception rather than the norm.
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fst said:
black1blade said:

This, archer and lancer was good too. The rest have been good-meh but those first 2 are what you expect from ufotable.


You shouldn't expect that from ufotable since it's clearly the exception rather than the norm.


Good fights are the exception? Only episode 7 had disappointing action, the rest have been great (if short).
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Mickdrew said:
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You shouldn't expect that from ufotable since it's clearly the exception rather than the norm.


Good fights are the exception? Only episode 7 had disappointing action, the rest have been great (if short).


Err, I think Saber vs. Assassin has very good choreography. It clearly showcase Assassin's style: using very little strength and always going for the head.

The problem is that it is too short. I think they are saving the best part for the rematch.

You may find the camera spin a little annoying though.
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chickenonthepan said:
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Good fights are the exception? Only episode 7 had disappointing action, the rest have been great (if short).


Err, I think Saber vs. Assassin has very good choreography. It clearly showcase Assassin's style: using very little strength and always going for the head.

The problem is that it is too short. I think they are saving the best part for the rematch.

You may find the camera spin a little annoying though.


They fought for 20 good seconds at the beginning - that's all the choreography I noticed.
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They fought for 20 good seconds at the beginning - that's all the choreography I noticed.


Yeah, that was the fighting part.

The rest is talking. XD
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