Shiratori99 said: And that is called homophobia. Blatantly and unapologetically. I like romance, so no idea where you got that from. I just don't like gay romance. I don't like lesbian romance either, even though I can fap to lesbian porn. It just provides me no entertainment. Why are you trying to argue this? |
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| I'm sorry but how does watching a yaoi/shounen-ai show make you gay? I see so many stupid replies on this thread. Gay - of, pertaining to, or exhibiting sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex. If you are watching a yaoi/shounen-ai then that does not make you gay, what would make you gay^ definition up there. Well that's what this thread has escalated to. I personally like reading yuri even though yaoi is what I mainly read, it's just another preference I enjoy & that's it. |
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| Yep Im the guy that doesnt like romance in general too much. I dont mind gay people in my entertainment, I love GoT despite all its gay scenes, I dont like the gay scenes but they dont bother me either, and I feel like it makes the show feel more real. But when the gay romance becomes the focus Ill pass. Id only watch it if its really funny. |
baki502 said: Yep Im the guy that doesnt like romance in general too much. I dont mind gay people in my entertainment, I love GoT despite all its gay scenes, I dont like the gay scenes but they dont bother me either, and I feel like it makes the show feel more real. But when the gay romance becomes the focus Ill pass. Id only watch it if its really funny. ^ Good point. I'm also a big fan of Game of thrones, it has gay scenes in it, but it doesn't really bother me since that's not the main focus of the series. |
Red_Keys said: Shiratori99 said: And that is called homophobia. Blatantly and unapologetically. I like romance, so no idea where you got that from. I just don't like gay romance. I don't like lesbian romance either, even though I can fap to lesbian porn. It just provides me no entertainment. Why are you trying to argue this? Cause people like you claim that it's something bad. Idc if you define this as homophobia or not, but arguing that people should change their tastes in entertainment media merely because of your hurt feelings is simply ridiculous. |
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| I think No. 6 had a lot more than "undertones". They freaking made out. Shiratori99 said: I don't care what you watch.Red_Keys said: And that is called homophobia. Blatantly and unapologetically. Why are you trying to argue this? Cause people like you claim that it's something bad. Idc if you define this as homophobia or not, but arguing that people should change their tastes in entertainment media merely because of your hurt feelings is simply ridiculous. I care about your attitude toward a class of human beings that fuels your disdain toward homosexual themed entertainment. I don't give a shit what you watch. I give a shit that you are homophobic. And yes, you are. |
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Red_Keys said: I think No. 6 had a lot more than "undertones". They freaking made out. Shiratori99 said: I don't care what you watch.Cause people like you claim that it's something bad. Idc if you define this as homophobia or not, but arguing that people should change their tastes in entertainment media merely because of your hurt feelings is simply ridiculous. I care about your attitude toward a class of human beings that fuels your disdain toward homosexual themed entertainment. I don't give a shit what you watch. I give a shit that you are homophobic. And yes, you are. So you judge a person's attitude towards homosexuals on the grounds of the entertainment media they watch? But I thought you don't care what I'm watching? Which is it now? According to your logic I have a disdain of unattractive people as well, since I don't want to watch them getting engaged in sexual acts either. Quite ironic, since I consider myself unattractive and wouldn't want to watch myself having sex as well. |
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| And fat people. Fat people and ugly people. Wouldnt want to watch a romance starring those either. Altought fat people are kinda fine in anime. Ive seen some hot BBW doujins... |
Red_Keys said: I think No. 6 had a lot more than "undertones". They freaking made out. A lot of those gross ecchi harems have girl x girl scenes though (for fanservice). |
Shiratori99 said: No I judge your attitude on homosexuals based on the homophobia you display.So you judge a person's attitude towards homosexuals on the grounds of the entertainment media they watch? But I thought you don't care what I'm watching? Which is it now? I don't care about what you watch. I care about your attitude. This has already been explained to you. Shiratori99 said: It's unfortunate that you have that low a self esteem. However, it would do you good to read previous posts earlier in this conversation, where your concerns have already been addressed.According to your logic I have a disdain of unattractive people as well, since I don't want to watch them getting engaged in sexual acts either. Quite ironic, since I consider myself unattractive and wouldn't want to watch myself having sex as well. |
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mayukachan said: No. 6 isn't even considered a shounen-ai because the main characters' relationship was ambiguous. If it had that tag, a lot of the male watchers would stay out. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=304974 |
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Red_Keys said: I don't care about what you watch. I care about your attitude. This has already been explained to you. Ok, so you agree with me that not wanting to watch yaoi because it features gay sex is not a bad thing then? Red_Keys said: It's unfortunate that you have that low a self esteem. However, it would do you good to read previous posts earlier in this conversation, where your concerns have already been addressed. Where? I only see you claiming I have an aversion against gay people, without explaining how you come to this conclusion. I dislike watching gay sex, not gay people. |
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| Ignorance...ignorance everywhere Shiratori99 said: Red_Keys said: I don't care about what you watch. I care about your attitude. This has already been explained to you. Ok, so you agree with me that not wanting to watch yaoi because it features gay sex is not a bad thing then? Are you really going to continue to go in circles, ignoring the fact that Yaoi does not equal gay sex? It is pretty simple. If you don't like yaoi simply because the characters are gay, then you are homophobic. If you think there is nothing wrong with being homophobic, I feel sad for you. Sexually explicit yaoi is a different story and no one is arguing that matter. |
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Zergneedsfood said: Iono, the definition of the term seems to imply it that yaoi equals gay sex, though it's a bit of a crude one to one: Yaoi is a "Japanese genre of fictional media focusing on homoerotic romantic or sexual relationships between male characters, aimed at a female audience and usually created by female authors. " With homoerotic obviously implying sexual attraction. Yaoi does not have to be erotic. Wikipedia has a poor definition of yaoi it seems. |
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| i think its completely fine to like yaoi as a staight male. in my opinion, its about the relationships more than the gender orientation of the people involved. |
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| I don't think it's wrong. It's the same as straight girls watching Yuri. |
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| I watched No. 6. And I thought it was great. Gay overtones don't bother if there's some good action, but I don't think I could watch a yaoi romcom. |
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MoeSavage said: I honestly can't enjoy Yaoi's at all. It's not like i'm homophobic or anything, it's just that I'd rather not see two guys kiss each other or fall in love to the point where they're willing to do sensual shit with one another. In the end of the day Okabe is poking in my head saying "But he's a guy" and ruining everything for me. +1 Took the words out of my mouth |
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Zergneedsfood said: Did you read the history/general terminology section? I think it pretty much pinpoints exactly the misconception most people have about the term. Indeed, it seems I am guilty of using the term in a western sense. Interesting, so I'm guessing yuri is the same way. So, the real question now is, what is the term for non-sexual "yaoi" and "yuri" ...? Seems much easier to just stick with yuri/yaoi in a generalized fashion. |
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| Believe the terms are shounen/shoujo ai |
SasaharaKumagawa said: Believe the terms are shounen/shoujo ai yaoi ≠ shounen ai |
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Red_Keys said: Shiratori99 said: And that is called homophobia. Blatantly and unapologetically. I like romance, so no idea where you got that from. I just don't like gay romance. I don't like lesbian romance either, even though I can fap to lesbian porn. It just provides me no entertainment. Why are you trying to argue this? Probably because it doesn't fit the definition of homophobia, and he's in the right. He doesn't sound like he has an irrational or inexplicable fear. |
KruszerAug 3, 2014 12:44 PM
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Kruszer said: Except homophobia is more than "fear".Red_Keys said: And that is called homophobia. Blatantly and unapologetically. Why are you trying to argue this? Probably because it doesn't fit the definition of homophobia, and he's in the right. He doesn't sound like he has an irrational or inexplicable fear. Educate yourself before you spout nonsense. |
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| This is still going on? I guess it was entertaining the first time so why not. We're all people so that means we're all gay. How about that logic? |
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7thVoid said: This is still going on? I guess it was entertaining the first time so why not. We're all people so that means we're all gay. How about that logic? Yeah, but people aren't taking it seriously any more, which is no surprise -.- |
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Red_Keys said: Kruszer said: Except homophobia is more than "fear".Probably because it doesn't fit the definition of homophobia, and he's in the right. He doesn't sound like he has an irrational or inexplicable fear. Educate yourself before you spout nonsense. Stop, no more from you please. Everyone has had enough of your ignorance and stupidity. You're acting like a gay-activist yelling his ideals to innocent pedestrians walking in the sidewalk. Stop baiting people in to stupid arguments. Not being entertained by a gay romance does not make you homophobic, do you even know what that means or do you just enjoy branding people that? Everyone is arguing with you because for some unknown reason, you think, just because a guy doesn't find gay romance entertaining or fit for them, it's because he's homophobic. You probably think that just because a guy hates the idea of wearing panties casually, that he's some kind of sexist. You probably think I'm a homophobe now for defending the guy who you initially called a homophobe. Just stop, please, it's unhealthy to be so hateful. |
MoeSavage said: Red_Keys said: Except homophobia is more than "fear". Educate yourself before you spout nonsense. Stop, no more from you please. Everyone has had enough of your ignorance and stupidity. You're acting like a gay-activist yelling his ideals to innocent pedestrians walking in the sidewalk. Stop baiting people in to stupid arguments. Not being entertained by a gay romance does not make you homophobic, do you even know what that means or do you just enjoy branding people that? Everyone is arguing with you because for some unknown reason, you think, just because a guy doesn't find gay romance entertaining or fit for them, it's because he's homophobic. You probably think that just because a guy hates the idea of wearing panties casually, that he's some kind of sexist. You probably think I'm a homophobe now for defending the guy who you initially called a homophobe. Just stop, please, it's unhealthy to be so hateful. Yeah! You tell him about how he's ignorant for thinking that people avoiding romance on the basis that it's homosexual-centric have some level of aversion towards homosexual material! |
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YandereTheEmo said: MoeSavage said: Stop, no more from you please. Everyone has had enough of your ignorance and stupidity. You're acting like a gay-activist yelling his ideals to innocent pedestrians walking in the sidewalk. Stop baiting people in to stupid arguments. Not being entertained by a gay romance does not make you homophobic, do you even know what that means or do you just enjoy branding people that? Everyone is arguing with you because for some unknown reason, you think, just because a guy doesn't find gay romance entertaining or fit for them, it's because he's homophobic. You probably think that just because a guy hates the idea of wearing panties casually, that he's some kind of sexist. You probably think I'm a homophobe now for defending the guy who you initially called a homophobe. Just stop, please, it's unhealthy to be so hateful. Yeah! You tell him about how he's ignorant for thinking that people avoiding romance on the basis that it's homosexual-centric have some level of aversion towards homosexual material! You dont know the reason he is watching romance tough. Maybe for him its a fantasy self insert kind of thing. Since he is straight he would ofc only like straight romance to be able to project himself on the guy. Or maybe he gets sexual pleasure from the bonding between those 2 people. Again, his own sexuality plays a huge role. Or maybe he just wants to watch romance so he can get that date he has over into the mood. Gay romance is not really practical for that either. There are multiple reasons some may watch romance for, and in something like romance you cant say someone is homophobic because he doest watch romance that is about a pairing that is not the same as his sexuality. Now if he avoided something like Game of Thrones which is NOT a romance, because there are gay characters. Now that is homophobic. But a romance which is heavily linked to sexuality and sex, does not make him homophobic for not liking something that does not appeal to his sexual orientation. |
YandereTheEmo said: MoeSavage said: Stop, no more from you please. Everyone has had enough of your ignorance and stupidity. You're acting like a gay-activist yelling his ideals to innocent pedestrians walking in the sidewalk. Stop baiting people in to stupid arguments. Not being entertained by a gay romance does not make you homophobic, do you even know what that means or do you just enjoy branding people that? Everyone is arguing with you because for some unknown reason, you think, just because a guy doesn't find gay romance entertaining or fit for them, it's because he's homophobic. You probably think that just because a guy hates the idea of wearing panties casually, that he's some kind of sexist. You probably think I'm a homophobe now for defending the guy who you initially called a homophobe. Just stop, please, it's unhealthy to be so hateful. Yeah! You tell him about how he's ignorant for thinking that people avoiding romance on the basis that it's homosexual-centric have some level of aversion towards homosexual material! Thank you for agreeing with me that a man who doesn't enjoy something doesn't necessarily mean he hates it and everything related to it. |
| "Yeah... Romance between two guys is just not something that I enjoy..." "WHAT OMG YOU DONT ENJOY GAY ROMANCE THATS CATERED FOR A FEMALE AUDIENCE AS A GUY? WHAT ARE YOU? A HOMOPHOBE? YOU HATE GAYS IS THAT IT? YOURE SO IGNORANT BRO" "I.... What...?" Literally what this thread has boiled down to. Smh. |
MoeSavage said: "Yeah... Romance between two guys is just not something that I enjoy..." "WHAT OMG YOU DONT ENJOY GAY ROMANCE THATS CATERED FOR A FEMALE AUDIENCE AS A GUY? WHAT ARE YOU? A HOMOPHOBE? YOU HATE GAYS IS THAT IT? YOURE SO IGNORANT BRO" "I.... What...?" Literally what this thread has boiled down to. Smh. Yeah, it's pretty much Keys being stubborn and basically repeating the same thing over and over. Nothing new really. Then again, when he goes around saying stuff like this.... Red_Keys said: If you want to start shit with me, and think you can win, you should know what you're diving into.. It's pretty clear that he never intends to back down from an argument, even when he has realized he is wrong. That's MAL for you though. Even with such a good community, you still get a few rotten apples. |
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MoeSavage said: "Romance between two guys is just not something that I enjoy because I'm not gay" "You're not necessarily gay if you like it" "Yes you do...your gay level goes up if you watch it" "No" "Yes" "No" Random guy: "Hey guys I like watching animal porn. What does that make me?" -random guy ignored- "Yes" "No" ... No, this was what was going on in this thread for a while. |
MoeSavage said: I'll post when and where I want, thank you.Stop, no more from you please. MoeSavage said: Good one.Everyone has had enough of your ignorance and stupidity. MoeSavage said: You're comparing a discussion topic titled "Watching yaoi as a straight guy", in which discussions regarding sexuality and homosexual content are being had, in which every person here voluntarily entered the thread knowing full well what content to expect, to yelling at random people on the street?You're acting like a gay-activist yelling his ideals to innocent pedestrians walking in the sidewalk. At least think a little, damn. Also, lol @ trying to demonize "gay activists". This is gonna be great. MoeSavage said: People can respond of their own volition. If nobody wants a "stupid argument", it is completely and utterly within their power to leave said argument. You are no different.Stop baiting people in to stupid arguments. At this point, you're bitching about your own decision to enter this thread and read the discussion taking place. MoeSavage said: lolNot being entertained by a gay romance does not make you homophobic, do you even know what that means or do you just enjoy branding people that? MoeSavage said: First off, no, not "everybody" is arguing with me.Everyone is arguing with you because for some unknown reason, you think, just because a guy doesn't find gay romance entertaining or fit for them, it's because he's homophobic. Second off, homophobia does not apply to only "guys", so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything or why you even specified that. Third off, if you don't want to read my previous posts, that is completely fine. But don't argue with me if you don't want to read. Repeating myself is just obnoxious. If you have anything you disagree with specifically, quote it and argue it. MoeSavage said: That would depend on his reasons for not wanting to wear panties, obviously.You probably think that just because a guy hates the idea of wearing panties casually, that he's some kind of sexist. You probably think I'm a homophobe now for defending the guy who you initially called a homophobe. MoeSavage said: lolJust stop, please, it's unhealthy to be so hateful. |
Red_KeysAug 3, 2014 4:48 PM
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SasaharaKumagawa said: Believe the terms are shounen/shoujo ai On MAL maybe, but in Japan? No, no. Those two have entirely different meanings than they do around these parts. parfaited said: The hip term these days is BL. Well, it does take two fewer keystrokes to type than yaoi, haha |
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LashLethal said: yaoi= two men making love. I don't see how any straight man can enjoy it. A straight man can enjoy it if one of the men/boys look like these http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/caraniel/Screenshots/BT6-trapgallery.jpg http://animetree.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/oregairu-trap.jpg http://otapark.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/himegoto.png http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/4/193961.jpg http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/2/46637.jpg http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/4/79/84/79084198_3165375_gilbert_1_.jpg |
thepathAug 7, 2014 3:49 PM
Kolnikov said: But please, tell me a Yaoi that is actually not made for perverts fujoshi and masturbation and I might change my opinion. Ai no Kusabi |
| Nothing wrong with it in my opinion. If its not weird for straight girls to like yuri, why is it weird to straight guys to like yaoi? Sure its a tad uncommon, but if its a good enough show who really cares? |
| I have never watched any yaoi anime series. I know a few because there are girls I know who watch yaoi. yaoi doesn't really make me feel good, even if it might have a good story. I prefer yuri, I think it's hot and stuff. I am a straight guy, so that's what I think about watching yaoi. It's mostly how I feel sexually when I have to choose between yuri and yaoi |
XarvynJul 17, 2015 1:50 PM
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KiryuuMoeka said: I'm straight girl but I enjoy yuri more than girl& boy romance. I find it much more romantic. There's better compatibility between same sex people. A guy will eventually leave his girl or cheat on her or become a total asshole. I can't take straight romance seriously. I find gay love much more authentic but maybe that's because I'm straight. The number of backflips in this post was absurd. |
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| I was wondering what the hell was going on when it looked as though this thread was only posted 11 hours ago and already had 8 pages, but then I realised the year was 2014, lol. Anyway, I happen to be female so maybe my opinions are invalid, but I personally don't see anything wrong with a straight dude watching yaoi. If anything, I'd just see him as being comfortable enough in his sexuality to watch yaoi/shounen-ai. I don't really know why a straight dude would want to watch yaoi, since (judging from the little yaoi I've seen) it's basically just cartoon gay porn. Shounen-ai I can understand, since that genre does usually contain anime that have plots, or at least aren't all just about two guys screwing one another. Love Stage was fun, not the best I've ever seen, but it made me laugh. |
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| There's nothing wrong with a straight man watching yaoi, just like it's not wrong for a straight girl to watch yuri In fact, everybody should start doing it |
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