The Breaker: New Waves Chapter 158 Discussion

antonn said:
Shi-woon has exited the hyperbolic time chamber.

ainky said:
Of course they have had to interrupt his training... if he becomes too strong, this series ends.

Jarjaxle said:
Wow...Famous Murim-In....A Buch of Pussy-cats....But Damn Shioon is so God Damn cool!!!!

But he really called them Cowards in the face!!! XD

Shangetsu said:


I don't think it's fair to call them a bunch of pussy cats in that situation.

They are against people that can kill them and/or destroy everything they(and their ancestor) built during their life without much trouble.
For people who doesn't value the murim alliance more than their own life it is only natural for them to back off at this threat.

If they are coward then 99.9% of humanity are coward and only heroes aren't. That's a pretty harsh standard to judge people though.

Darklight0303 said:


Cowards or not they are naive if they think that running away will save them from this danger. These guys don't want to get a surrender out of the Murim. They want it DESTROYED as a structure. Running away only turns their back to the problem so they can get stabbed in the vital points

Running away is a good strategy at time.

You need to differentiate our point of view with the characters's point of view.

The new lead of the murim alliance is a boy that is supposed to be in high school and couldn't even throw a punch a year ago. Now we both know Shi-won and what he is able to do but it is not the case for most of the murim.
They cannot see a future with Shi-won, to them he is only a brat elected in desperate time because of the caprice of the higher ups. He is not someone that has enough experience to lead and his values don't align with how the murim usually work.

To be blunt if they were to choose between making an enemy out of the currently very powerful Goomoonryong who can break their neck at any time and to let him go for now then the second choice is obviously the wisest.

It doesn't mean that they will always obey any threat sent at them or that they're 'running away, they simply don't see any merit in obeying the current alliance, especially if it come at the cost of putting their life on the line.

They made the good choice, only a fool would have stayed in the situation.

Now I'm expecting Shi-won to deliver a speech that will make them acknowledge him. If they don't have a reason to risk their life now then Shi-won only has to give them one.
It's easier said than done but he is a shounen MC archetype afterall

mbdsquad said:

Sure running away is a good strategy at some point but is that really what they're doing? Heck can you even call that a "strategy"? If I would assess what they're actually doing then that would be running their tails between their legs.

mbdsquad said:

Is it really the wisest move? Putting my shoes on the characters' point of view, even Kang Sera have said the otherwise. If one could remember, Kang Sera mentioned that the murim elders are making a wrong move (simplified).

mbdsquad said:

Nah. Darklight0303 is right. You think they would be spared even if they "run away" now? Are they even thinking for long term consequence? Guess the author limited their thinking capacity to represent a mass mentality.

mbdsquad said:

Nah. I guess Kang Sera and all the rests of MC are fools then. Is what Shiion as said, whoever the fuck is the leader of the alliance now doesn't matter, IF internal discord and chaos happen at this moment, then all of them would be obliterated whether they run or hide or fight. Guess the murim elders, for all their character is worth, are really the fools here for not even realizing this. Good choice? Really?

Shangetsu said:

Also no matter how strong he became in this small lapse of time (even with the way he is training), he probably won't be able to defeat a fully healed Sosul even if he manages to trash Chun-woo at his current level.

Shangetsu said:


Running away is running away. There's no good or bad way to go at it, the only difference is how much you actually sugar coat your action.

Shangetsu said:


Sera's point of view on the matter it totally different than the elders. She know Shi-won, what he is able to do and she respects him.
Now what I'm debating is not whether they did some objective 'right' move or not but rather if they made a right move with the pieces of information they know.

Shangetsu said:


No that's beyond the point. They aren't trying to get in Goomoonryong's good grace or hope that he will ignore them if they don't act.
They simply doesn't see any value in acting now.
Just like you said they are at war and you don't fight a war by rushing your action. They need time to collect themselves and devise a plan and if it comes at the cost of an alliance they cannot trust anymore then so be it.

It's not about having the guts to act against Goomoonryong or not, it's about when to actually do it. Now? When everyone is confused and the clans are divided? When you don't even have a right grasp of the situation and when you are actually dancing in the enemy's palm?
It's a much more wise move from their point of view to simply let Goomoonryong destroy the murim alliance while they make plan to go against him.

Shangetsu said:


Sera is not a fool, neither is Shi-won but their action make sense and are wise only because we know what Shi-won is able to do. How is teaming up with an handicap a good choice? That's how they are seeing Shi-won, an handicap. He's not an ally, a force they can ally with, he is nothing to them.
It doesn't mean that the murim world will not team up against Goomoonryong but if they have to it'll be better to do it with nobody that will drag us down.

Shangetsu said:
You are seeing things too much from the reader's perspective and how the author want us to see the character he created.

No that's beyond your point.