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Apr 19, 2014 4:04 AM

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Hahahaha, now manliness is something to go for? Since when? Do you still live in the 60s? It's a fact that current manliness is just harmful to any man, and honestly, crying actually helps, considering it's one of the best ways to relieve stress and the male gender is one of the worst if you take into consideration stress levels. So yeah, you're objectively wrong Jenny... Again.

But just like anything, crying all the time just says you have some other problem.




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Apr 19, 2014 4:11 AM
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I cried like a baby when my dog passed away a few years ago, is that being manly or weak? ._.
 
Apr 19, 2014 4:14 AM

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I think crying is a sign of strength, yes it's weak to break down crying uncontrollably in public, but in a more intimate setting, alone or with people you're comfortable being around crying can be beneficial.

I'd say it's better to cry and let all those feelings come out of your system as opposed to letting them fester inside you, ultimately weakening you in the long run.
 
Apr 19, 2014 7:11 AM

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Well, it's a sign of strength for me.....cause I don't want to think I'm weak.
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Apr 19, 2014 7:12 AM
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No, it's a sign of being a little bitch
 
Apr 19, 2014 8:18 AM

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Hahahaha, now manliness is something to go for? Since when? Do you still live in the 60s? It's a fact that current manliness is just harmful to any man, and honestly, crying actually helps, considering it's one of the best ways to relieve stress and the male gender is one of the worst if you take into consideration stress levels. So yeah, you're objectively wrong Jenny... Again.
I never said that never crying is either advisable, or sound. In fact I said that there are moments when, in my view, it's okay for a man to cry.

Please stop misrepresenting my views.
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Apr 19, 2014 5:16 PM

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BryanBossling said:
Immahnoob said:
Hahahaha, now manliness is something to go for? Since when? Do you still live in the 60s? It's a fact that current manliness is just harmful to any man, and honestly, crying actually helps, considering it's one of the best ways to relieve stress and the male gender is one of the worst if you take into consideration stress levels. So yeah, you're objectively wrong Jenny... Again.
I never said that never crying is either advisable, or sound. In fact I said that there are moments when, in my view, it's okay for a man to cry.

Please stop misrepresenting my views.

No, you said that it's better for men not to cry because of social views that really are useless overall.

You should cry when you feel like it, as I said, people that cry for no reason have other problems, not lack of masculinity.




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Apr 19, 2014 5:19 PM

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Crying over stupid shit = weak.

Crying over not stupid shit = strength.
 
Apr 19, 2014 5:25 PM

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No, you said that it's better for men not to cry because of social views that really are useless overall.

You should cry when you feel like it, as I said, people that cry for no reason have other problems, not lack of masculinity.
If you're a guy who cries over a sprained ankle, because your girlfriend left you, or because you just finished watching Marley & Me, then you're a fucking pussy. It's very simple.
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Apr 19, 2014 5:35 PM

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BryanBossling said:
Immahnoob said:
No, you said that it's better for men not to cry because of social views that really are useless overall.

You should cry when you feel like it, as I said, people that cry for no reason have other problems, not lack of masculinity.
If you're a guy who cries over a sprained ankle, because your girlfriend left you, or because you just finished watching Marley & Me, then you're a fucking pussy. It's very simple.
You're one close-minded individual.
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Apr 19, 2014 5:38 PM

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You're one close-minded individual.
I don't like that term, it doesn't seem to mean anything in these sort of discussions.
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Apr 19, 2014 5:44 PM

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BryanBossling said:
Sapewloth said:
You're one close-minded individual.
I don't like that term, it doesn't seem to mean anything in these sort of discussions.

You may not like the term, but it certainly means something in the current discussion, given how narrow-minded you are regarding what masculinity is supposed to represent.
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
 
Apr 19, 2014 5:47 PM
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BryanBossling said:

If you're a guy who cries over a sprained ankle, because your girlfriend left you, or because you just finished watching Marley & Me, then you're a fucking pussy. It's very simple.


People react diferently from each other, judging guys like that is pretty close-minded.

Strained ankle ? Some people can't stand pain as much as others, in fact I can assure you that spraining an ankle hurts like shit and some people aliviate the stress caused by the pain by crying. It's a good way to relieve the pain.

Crying because your girlfriend left you, I'm pretty sure that if you loved someone for several years and it trully was deep love, if the girl left you, you would cry rivers. Everyone does, unless you don't give a shit about your relationship.

Crying because of the movie Marley & Me, I'm pretty attached to animals myself and when I was watching that movie my dog had almost died to a heart failure so that movie struck me a lot even though I was like 16-17 when I first watched it I did shed a few tears because of it.

Seriously it still amazes me how you people tend to judge others and act so tough in the Internet or even IRL, People have diferent ways of reacting to things, criticizing them because of such is just plain dumb. You need to grow up and start facing reality if you think that men are pussies because they cry due to the examples that you gave.
 
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Sapewloth said:
You may not like the term, but it certainly means something in the current discussion, given how narrow-minded you are regarding what masculinity is supposed to represent.
No, really whenever someone has a differing point of view people just hit you with: ''oh, well you're just close-minded'', in an effort to make your opponent's argument seem invalid. I am a very open minded person, believe it or not, I just don't think that crying is very manly.

I'll have you know that I also teared up during Marley & Me (although I didn't cry), although it's not my own manliness that I'm trying to prove here.
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Apr 19, 2014 5:53 PM

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Crying because your girlfriend left you, I'm pretty sure that if you loved someone for several years and it trully was deep love, if the girl left you, you would cry rivers. Everyone does, unless you don't give a shit about your relationship.
No they don't. What happened to the ''everyone reacts differently'' thing? Now you're saying that if a guy doesn't cry river, that only means he didn't give a shit. Talk about being judgmental.

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Seriously it still amazes me how you people tend to judge others and act so tough in the Internet or even IRL, People have diferent ways of reacting to things, criticizing them because of such is just plain dumb. You need to grow up and start facing reality if you think that men are pussies because they cry due to the examples that you gave.
I admitted to dressing up in women's clothing in the ''Nail's'' thread, so I am definitely not trying to act tough. When did I ever say I was a tough guy? I'm just stating the obvious: ''Crying over bullshit isn't manly''.
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Apr 19, 2014 6:00 PM
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Crying because your girlfriend left you, I'm pretty sure that if you loved someone for several years and it trully was deep love, if the girl left you, you would cry rivers. Everyone does, unless you don't give a shit about your relationship.
No they don't. What happened to the ''everyone reacts differently'' thing? Now you're saying that if a guy doesn't cry river, that only means he didn't give a shit. Talk about being judgmental.


You got me here, I chose bad my words. Oh well there goes my argument about it.(you win this time ! )

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Seriously it still amazes me how you people tend to judge others and act so tough in the Internet or even IRL, People have diferent ways of reacting to things, criticizing them because of such is just plain dumb. You need to grow up and start facing reality if you think that men are pussies because they cry due to the examples that you gave.
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I admitted to dressing up in women's clothing in the ''Nail's'' thread, so I am definitely not trying to act tough. When did I ever say I was a tough guy? I'm just stating the obvious: ''Crying over bullshit isn't manly''.


I wouldn't consider it bullshit man. People do react differently and yet I am quite aware of my mistake on the first thing I said which makes me lose credibility yet I stil..l oh well nevermind I fucked completely here. :(
 
Apr 19, 2014 6:01 PM

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At least you're humble enough to admit when you've made a mistake.
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Apr 19, 2014 6:05 PM
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At least you're humble enough to admit when you've made a mistake.


I'm mad at me for not having revised what I wrote, I made myself look like a fool. Now that's dumb but my main premise still stands! People react diferently and I was dumb enough to judge you in what I wrote. I do feel ashamed also which I hate it when I make such stupid mistakes. I should have given more thought into what I really wanted to say. Next time it will be better :P
 
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Apr 19, 2014 6:07 PM

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Hey, don't beat yourself up over it. You know you're still my special gurl :)

Of course people react differently, I'm not arguing that they don't.
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Apr 19, 2014 10:46 PM

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Over the top Manliness is overrated~

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If you're a guy who cries over a sprained ankle, because your girlfriend left you, or because you just finished watching Marley & Me, then you're a fucking pussy. It's very simple.


Being emotional is totally different from being a pussy! A warrior poet may weep at a sad poem one day and jump into the teeth of battle the next day.
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Apr 19, 2014 11:15 PM

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I dunno. I once felt pleasure by crying. Successfully replicated it but I felt that it took too much work and not much in return. Certainly a new experience. Might try it again.


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BryanBossling said:
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You may not like the term, but it certainly means something in the current discussion, given how narrow-minded you are regarding what masculinity is supposed to represent.
No, really whenever someone has a differing point of view people just hit you with: ''oh, well you're just close-minded'', in an effort to make your opponent's argument seem invalid. I am a very open minded person, believe it or not, I just don't think that crying is very manly.

I'll have you know that I also teared up during Marley & Me (although I didn't cry), although it's not my own manliness that I'm trying to prove here.

She might have been referring to the adherence of gender roles, which tend to be narrow minded in nature. I could be wrong; if I am, then count me on the ship instead. The sooner they go, the better. Everyone cries. It isn't a sign of anything other then being human.
 
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Being emotional is totally different from being a pussy! A warrior poet may weep at a sad poem one day and jump into the teeth of battle the next day.
I wouldn't say that writing poetry makes you a pussy, since those are two completely different things. Weeping over poems is one thing though.

Yes, how you react to and deal with hardship can definitely show what kind of person you are, whether you're a wimp or you're not.

I'm not trying to set up an ideal here, that's just the way things are. If a man cries often and for silly reasons, then he's acting more like a woman would, and since when is it manly to act like a woman?
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Apr 20, 2014 1:39 AM

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Apr 20, 2014 1:41 AM

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Aylaine said:
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Sapewloth said:
You may not like the term, but it certainly means something in the current discussion, given how narrow-minded you are regarding what masculinity is supposed to represent.
No, really whenever someone has a differing point of view people just hit you with: ''oh, well you're just close-minded'', in an effort to make your opponent's argument seem invalid. I am a very open minded person, believe it or not, I just don't think that crying is very manly.

I'll have you know that I also teared up during Marley & Me (although I didn't cry), although it's not my own manliness that I'm trying to prove here.

She might have been referring to the adherence of gender roles, which tend to be narrow minded in nature. I could be wrong; if I am, then count me on the ship instead. The sooner they go, the better. Everyone cries. It isn't a sign of anything other then being human.
Yep, that's basically what I meant. I wasn't refuting any of his arguments : his views of gender roles (in this case masculinity in particular) just seem particularly reductive and unhealthy, which makes him come off as a close-minded person (at the very least regarding this specific matter).
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Apr 20, 2014 1:48 AM

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Yep, that's basically what I meant. I wasn't refuting any of his arguments : his views of gender roles (in this case masculinity in particular) just seem particularly reductive and unhealthy, which makes him come off as a close-minded person (at the very least regarding this specific matter).
Some people believe that giving birth and breastfeeding are potential acts of manliness. We all have our own ideas of what constitutes manliness, and in my opinion, crying like a little bitch is not fitting of someone who wants to be a man.
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BryanBossling said:
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No, you said that it's better for men not to cry because of social views that really are useless overall.

You should cry when you feel like it, as I said, people that cry for no reason have other problems, not lack of masculinity.
If you're a guy who cries over a sprained ankle, because your girlfriend left you, or because you just finished watching Marley & Me, then you're a fucking pussy. It's very simple.

Subjective, wrong.




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Apr 20, 2014 3:29 AM

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Yo Pirate, can you prove to me objectively that that is what a "pussy" is or that that is actually wrong for men to do?

You can't, it's an opinion. And he's not leaving any options out, which also makes it a fallacy.

Crying over a sprained ankle is dependent on how well you take pain, if that girlfriend meant a lot to you and let's say you would have gotten married, then you could have a reason (but even if this situation wouldn't happen, it would be the same anyway), maybe watching Marley & Me reminded him of one of his own real life situations or maybe he correlated it with something else, that implies real life experience.

Anyway, why don't you guys try to take out the big guns? I've been bored these days.




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Apr 20, 2014 3:37 AM

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If I cry, it's because shit's sad and stuff.

I don't cry due to (physical) pain though.
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That's a strawman, I've never claimed that it's manly or not, or feminine or not (by the way, these are also subjective, but let's just say that we have a "universal" one, to make this fun). That's not my point, my point actually clearly states that masculinity is useless (just like femininity), as it proves to brings a lot of disadvantages and little to no advantages.

Pain seems to be tolerated by women a lot more than by men, because of estrogen they say, but they're still debating about such things, to me it looks like it still tilts towards women as men's toleration of pain is just a facade most of the times considering how "masculinity" works.

If only you could have read my responses though, you would have had a chance to fabricate some idiotic argument that has no room for objections (which in itself is a fallacy, but it's hard to see most of the times).




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Apr 20, 2014 5:02 AM

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If you didn't, then it's a red herring, completely useless to what I said.




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Apr 20, 2014 7:24 AM

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Men shouldn't cry unless in certain situations.
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Men shouldn't cry unless in certain situations.


It's not like anyone would cry for no reason.


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Apr 20, 2014 8:06 AM

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Some cry for stupid reasons, stuff that shouldn't tear you up.
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Apr 20, 2014 9:29 AM

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Some cry for stupid reasons, stuff that shouldn't tear you up.

Then they have problems like depression or stress related stuff.




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Apr 20, 2014 10:08 AM

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Women are less tolerant to pain than men are, the exception to this is during childbirth.
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Apr 20, 2014 12:41 PM

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Women are less tolerant to pain than men are, the exception to this is during childbirth.

Sources?




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Apr 20, 2014 12:45 PM

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BryanBossling said:
Women are less tolerant to pain than men are, the exception to this is during childbirth.

Sources?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_tolerance ; though, I don't know where Bryan is going with this since it has nothing to do with crying.
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Men shouldn't cry unless in certain situations.
Why?
 
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Immahnoob said:
BryanBossling said:
Women are less tolerant to pain than men are, the exception to this is during childbirth.

Sources?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_tolerance ; though, I don't know where Bryan is going with this since it has nothing to do with crying.

"...men are more motivated to tolerate and suppress expressions of pain because of the masculine sex role, whereas the feminine sex role encourages pain expression and produces lower motivation to tolerate pain among women."

That's the problem.




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Immahnoob said:
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Immahnoob said:
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Women are less tolerant to pain than men are, the exception to this is during childbirth.

Sources?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_tolerance ; though, I don't know where Bryan is going with this since it has nothing to do with crying.

"...men are more motivated to tolerate and suppress expressions of pain because of the masculine sex role, whereas the feminine sex role encourages pain expression and produces lower motivation to tolerate pain among women."

That's the problem.

It began with "One possible explanation suggests that..." (from the paper); ergo, it is a hypothesis, not a theory (yet). The part we do know is that in studies women do tend to report less of a tolerance; whether or not that is has a basis in gender roles, this research hasn't concluded. It definitely is a plausible hypothesis though and I would look to see more research regarding this.
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Women are less tolerant to pain than men are, the exception to this is during childbirth.

Sources?
I posted my source earlier ITT.
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Men shouldn't cry unless in certain situations.
Why?
It displays lack of masculinity and emotional immaturity.
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It is a sign that we are human first
 
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Some cry for stupid reasons, stuff that shouldn't tear you up.


There are things that affect other people more than you. It's all mental.


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