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mljato said: AmberFebruary said: Just because you choose to ignore certain obvious flaws doesn't mean we all have to play along. Also, say what...expecting actual well thought out cases from an anime that presents itself as a detective story and advertises itself as such is idiotic? Also Kujou was describing exactly what we saw, so for that hair dude to not being able to solve how the murder does make him a stupid character. I don't care if he turns out to be a genius later on, right now the anime shows that he can't put two and two together. oh sorry for the "idiot" term then, (as if i care) ^________^ oh i'm not ignoring the flaws because i have logical reasoning behind it, and you expected too much of the show that's why you feel more dumb yourself now than Glaviel himself for being disappointed, as for BONES, oh god, that's why i more like BONES when doing anime originals and troll people because even though doing FAITHFUL adaptations like this make poeple butthurt and for Glaviel, have you ever thought of "Spoon-fed Dependency," in a series of problems where you have to think and then a certain person delves in and gave the correct answer for one, surely why would you think for the others if you have someone to properly fed the answers to yourself, and by far, Glaviel so called "stupid" character is far more reasonable, he rather tire himself walking back and forth than solve something he wouldn't be sure of the answer. |
| Simplistic beauty can't be appreciated by someone who looks for something grand in everything he watch. |
| Lalalalalala realist or not , artificial or not , w/e or not......I juz love this anime <3 so all of u gtfo and lemme seclude myself and bring me something to kill my boredom not stupid argument |
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| I love this show, I cant wait for next ep :D |
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| I am suspecting that Avril wants to do the same to Kujo as happened 8 years earlier. On the other hand I'm wondering who killed the biker. Avril has cut her fingers, but the culprit has already been arrested, or has she? They couldn't have arrested the wrong person now could they? Many things can be considered predictable, but this just seems too obvious to me. Anyway, can't wait to see the outcome next episode. |
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I think this episode was just amazing. It differentiate itself from its previous in the simple task of presenting a case and having one of the past being solved. Victorique was great again respectively shining in the following part, The more I see different shapes and illustrations of her the more she is charming. I think both cases should be addressed respectively so I will have my word now and I read all the other posts so some things will be in accordance to what I think but I got it mostly figured out. About the motorcycle/Avril Bradley case, the culprit is obvious that it's Avril Bradley. The girl protecting her was either forced to admit or coerced into it or she may have her reasons to protect Avril. There is a lot to point out to my conclusion. Case starts with Kujo's biggest mistake as a partner detective, that of day dreaming. It completely takes away your attention span. Despite what Victorique said I still have my theory that the motorcycle person could have been killed before and set loose as a setup. Avril might have known the exploits of the Queen Beryl so she might have known that Kujo and Victorique were involved. Since she Kujo first she picked him as the target. The reason I say this is that if you look at the motorcycle person you can see that the person has scarfs on bother its face and neck. Thus hiding any previous wound it may have. Grevil's first statement is rejected right away. It's possible that the head may come off in mid-air if it was severed just right to come off at the right pressure applied to it or if it happens not to long ago. Grevil's second statement, is completely wrong. The crime could have taken place way before with someone who knows what he/she is doing, especially with medical knowledge. Now once Grevil introduces the murder weapon it becomes clearer that it was done right before the motorcycle crashed into the wall and the blood looks fresh. Unfortunately it's too bad DNA tech was not around to get blood samples. Victorique proves Grevil wrong for a first time and I agree with her based on Grevil's evidence hence the following depiction. This kind of wire looks to me like the classical meat cutter, which was popular in 1920s since meat cutting machine were not so perfect at all. Victorique knew exactly that the girl has blond hair. How? It's possible she remarked certain elements, remember that tower is high up and binoculars were around. Victorique's deduction of the culprit having wounded herself based on the culprit's motive to use this way as well as where blood was dripping from around the wire is dead on. Deducing further the the culprit did indeed cut herself. It goes further that Victorique knew of Kujo's daydream further suggesting that something gave him a idea. That idea being Kujo seeing a glimpse of the culprit. it suggests further that Victorique was observing from afar. Now it's clear that everyone gossip of the Golden Fairy point out to Victorique being it since she is the only one in the library. Profiling Avril Bradley, First thing are her different appearances in the spoiler Avril seems to know about the legendary ghost stories surrounding the area furthermore Avril even knew the details of the 13th step one. Further suggesting she might have planned her crime knowing the area makes it easier. She immediately takes great interest in Kujo going as far as ignoring the other girls and choosing him to show her around as well as spending time with him on the bench. Her going in your face towards Kujo while getting the shy reaction from Kujo's reaction, perhaps may suggest further a testing from her of Kujo's reactions and feelings. So she may just be confirming that Kujo was day dreaming. Second key element that gave her away is her reaction towards Kujo's remark of her wounds, dead give away! Especially since she gave a lame excuse that won't fool me at all. What baffled me and is still a mystery is that Avril knew that in the catacombs there was a book that is titled The Golden Fairy of Hight Tower, which directly is linked to Victorique. That is rather mysterious for me right now of its meaning but judging from Avril's serious look it may mean something to her. It furthers that Avril was spotted dead on after Grevil/Kujo investigated the body suggesting further that Avril may have been observing them. Conclusion? Avril has every reason to be the culprit and that someone who took the blame may have something to do with her or she did something to that person to make them do this. Therefore Avril is real culprit 100% If I am wrong I will admit of being too arrogant of my pride of loving Sherlock Holmes. I am sure I am dead on. About the case of Milli Marl and of Maxim, that was emotional dramatic charged case of whom I have major problems dealing with its purity despite the act being completely selfish of Milli. Elaborating, the first catching my attention is that Cecile admits that the catacomb was not used for 8 years. That alone is rather interesting as to why since there is a undertaker that is supposed to take care of it less he quit or died. Holy shit from turning gore with the motorcycle case to a horror show having a corpse fall out of a old knight. At first I though it was some sort of diplomatic person but it proved itself wrong fast enough. First noticeable detail of Maxim is those flowers. That caught my attention right away. Rest in spoiler: About end of episode and preview, I find that there was key development in regards to Victorique at the end. Mainly Victorique's second enemy, that of annoyance itself. What follows has a kick-ass incredible ear sensational OST! The OST at that part is a must have for me. As for the preview, can't wait for what Avril will do to Kujo and a particular part MOE worthy of Victorique. |
Yumekichi11Jan 31, 2011 3:32 PM
| person above, you are awesome. @mljato, lets restate that the crazy hair dude did not see a frame by frame depiction of the indecent. solve this if your that smart then: a man is found dead with a fractured skull, his body was still warm when found. it was a fully locked room. how was he killed and by who? that's all the crazy hair dude knew(analogy). he wasn't "that" stupid. well victorique did have more clue due to the Asian dude that the crazy hair dude didn't have.so i don't blame him you clearly disagree on the how and when he died, then explain how he was found dead. all flamming about now for some real foruming i thought of a theory that maybe both Avril and the one caught could be the culprit. i mean they both got wounds both in description. however, blood was only on one end of the wire. why would only one end have blood? she was careless the second time she was tying it? i still think they are related in some way. the way she reacted to the arrest was very suspicious. victorique's description probably was dead on, but then that made me think of the girl(or lady) caught may have cut her own hand in order to imitate Avril's cut while tying the wires in order to make herself suspicious. if DNA testing existed everything would be so much easier T T. |
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| Yea, this episode has gone quite deep in different matters. @hellsascendantblood was only on one end of the wire. .... That is very true, in teh newspaper they didnt give a proper photos of the killer, so we would know what she really looks like. The reaction she had when Kujo questioned her was dead obvious that she is somehow related to all this, and of course Victorica. It seemed like she also knew that there was that book of the 'golden fairy' in the crypt. This is leading to something BIg hmmm very fishy o_0 あらしい。。。 |
| Wait a minute...so Maxim was asleep the whole time from the moment she put him there until after she both died and was later buried? Really? And then Maxim died standing up like that? Is that possible? |
Redfoxoffire said: No you got it wrong. I think the sleep liquid may indeed be the one they use to put to sleep permanently animals. In other words he woke up alright but much later. This is a powerful sedative. Either that or I was thinking Milli killed him herself only to leave the body where she replaced it with.Wait a minute...so Maxim was asleep the whole time from the moment she put him there until after she both died and was later buried? Really? And then Maxim died standing up like that? Is that possible? TBH I think the real answer could be more of Milli going to see him since she stole the key and having him being bonded not being able to do anything she would put him to sleep afterwards. The thing is that no one would notice it since it was in the middle of nowhere. |
| I think that suspecting Avril is the Killer is the biggest mistake. |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
Siva said: Well that's where the fun to get disapproved will happen. I do also consider the possibility that Avril herself got wounded because she is a accomplice. I doubt she is innocent at the very least. You have to consider that one woman may not be enough to properly attach that wire fast enough.I think that suspecting Avril is the Killer is the biggest mistake. |
| I love how this show throws us some bits and pieces, making us speculate like mad ^^ We have to keep in mind that it's 1924. For us: decapitated motordriver+ sharp thread found near tress=obvious, in those days it probably wasn't. I do understand some of the criticism here though. While Holmes came to his conclusions by considering all the possibilities, Victorica seems to be jumping to conclusions. We don't hear her rule out other options, and that might be annoying. Yumekichi11 said: About the motorcycle/Avril Bradley case, the culprit is obvious that it's Avril Bradley. Victorique knew exactly that the girl has blond hair. How? It's possible she remarked certain elements, remember that tower is high up and binoculars were around. Victorique's deduction of the culprit having wounded herself based on the culprit's motive to use this way as well as where blood was dripping from around the wire is dead on. Deducing further the the culprit did indeed cut herself. It goes further that Victorique knew of Kujo's daydream further suggesting that something gave him a idea. That idea being Kujo seeing a glimpse of the culprit. it suggests further that Victorique was observing from afar. That's a lot of assuming, both on Victorica's and your part. Victorica's claim that his daydream is triggered by seeing the culprit and deducing that the culprit is a blonde is iffy, and you're trying too hard to prove her right with the assumption of binoculars. She's oblivious to the happenings at the Mausoleum until Kujo tells her about it, so she's not all that observative. Victorica has her mouth full of human nature, but having spent most of her life in isolation, her knowledge stems only from reading books. Therefore I'm not yet prepared to take all her conclusions for granted. Victorica's reasoning: Kujo daydreams of a blonde girl->people react to visual stimuli->Kujo saw a blonde girl. She might be right, but she's implying that he couldn't have had that daydream without seeing a blonde girl. Yet a moment earlier Kujo thought of hardworking women, Victorica being one of them. So Victorica herself might have set off that daydream. That said, ofcourse I agree that Avril acts suspicious. So much so that I would be surprised if she turns out to be the real culprit. And when you see her as a girl who loves adventure and mystery, her actions make sense too. In that respect it's logic she wants to be around Kujo (and isn't disappointed lol), and when finding that book goes to investigate the library. And about her hand-injury: it's not like the only way she could have gotten that wound is by fidgeting with that wire >.> Aside from that: I liked how Grevil calling Victorica 'grey wolf' (though obviously in contempt) linked back to Kujo''s scene in ep 1, where he mentioned he wouldn't mind talking to one. I looked into the symbolism of wolves, and Wiki says that in Christianity wolves were usually used as metaphors for greed and destructiveness. So Grevil is probably convinced that her existence is a danger for hima and his family. Yumekichi11 said: Tried to find something about the fountain of Sagacity but nothing so it's fictional less I am wrong. The version I watched translated it as 'bubbling wellspring of wisdom' lol. Sagacity -> sagacitas = wisdom. |
cleoFeb 1, 2011 9:00 AM
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| @Yumekichi11: you should try to come up with more possibilities before you want to jump into one conclusion. And specially while Avril didn't act like a killer who was trying to hide something from everyone instead she was more like she was trying to find something instead. Now let say if Victorica was right about the 2 mysteries. Then if you think how come the 2 killers are girl. How come the 2 killers come up with such interesting way to kill the 2 boys. What if all the small mysteries are connected. What if there is someone else(not Avril) behind it. As for Avril, what if she comes here with a purpose to find out something with a clue she has. |
"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| I was thinking something along the lines of the girl from eight years ago and Avril being relatives or something? The girl from eight years ago knew she was dying, so maybe she had an illness or something? Maybe Avril has something similar and wants a "strong and dependable knight" so accompany her to the afterlife?. Avril may think of him having that because of him being "the Black Reaper that comes in the spring", having a connection with "the Golden Fairy". As for the crime however, I don't have the slightest clue if it's her or not (seems obvious but yet again too obvious). If no; why is she acting suspicious? Why did she cut her finger? On the other hand, if yes; Why'd she do it? Who was the girl being arrested then? There must be a connection between the two mysteries. Pure speculation of course, but I thought I'd share it anyway. |
OnyxthegreatFeb 1, 2011 10:23 AM
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Siva said: I was trying to consider as much as I could think but then that's when you come in to spread some more, which is what a discussion is.@Yumekichi11: you should try to come up with more possibilities before you want to jump into one conclusion. And specially while Avril didn't act like a killer who was trying to hide something from everyone instead she was more like she was trying to find something instead. Siva said: I think they are because it could be that a male would take more brutal ways of killing his victim and the wire way is the fastest and less physically demanding to transport. Now let say if Victorica was right about the 2 mysteries. Then if you think how come the 2 killers are girl. Siva said: Drugging and wire placing is easy tasks for women and it can be read in books to get rough idea of it.How come the 2 killers come up with such interesting way to kill the 2 boys. Siva said: I think they are but as of now there is not enough info in regards to that. I still fear that book being connected to Victorica.What if all the small mysteries are connected. Siva said: Then I shall changing my thinking accordingly to the unfolding events. I really Sherlock Holmes so speculations for now is what makes it fun but facts are still out there such as the Milli case crackdown.What if there is someone else(not Avril) behind it. Siva said: Your suggestion does open the possibility that someone may be trying to stop both girls so that person did a crime to frame Avril for it but instead her friend took the blame in order for Avril to look for that important item. You opened another scenario but that remains to be seen.As for Avril, what if she comes here with a purpose to find out something with a clue she has. |
Yumekichi11 said: Siva said: Drugging and wire placing is easy tasks for women and it can be read in books to get rough idea of it.How come the 2 killers come up with such interesting way to kill the 2 boys. And fortunately there was a book at the scene, Yumekichi11 said: The Golden Fairy of Hight Tower, As for now, I have no idea who is the killer is but from this one episode I think there is a mastermind behind all of this and that person should be in this school for a long time. |
"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
| Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. |
Yumekichi11 said: Siva said: Your suggestion does open the possibility that someone may be trying to stop both girls so that person did a crime to frame Avril for it but instead her friend took the blame in order for Avril to look for that important item. You opened another scenario but that remains to be seen.As for Avril, what if she comes here with a purpose to find out something with a clue she has. i've been saying that for a while. i'll be firm on this say we know that the caught girl and avril have ties. from what we know and clue given i can say(at least from the people we know) that avril is most likely the culprit. her reaction was iffy and not enough to make a deduction on. however the caught girl was great evidence. i mean like yumekichi said, her friend could have took the blame. with a simple thing like a cut on her hand could be easily forged, and by surrendering herself avril would've been left off the hook. |
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hellsascendant said: i've been saying that for a while. i'll be firm on this say we know that the caught girl and avril have ties. No we don't. We're merely guessing based on the fact they're both blonde and Avril has an injury. hellsascendant said: from what we know and clue given i can say(at least from the people we know) that avril is most likely the culprit. her reaction was iffy and not enough to make a deduction on. Not a shred of hard evidence. Let's suppose she is who she claims to be: a girl who likes adventure. In that scenario, she might have hurt her hand while venturing into something she's not supposed to, and doesn't want to own-up. Yes she is suspicious, but that doesn't make her the real culprit. The impression I get is that the makers want to make us think that way, in order to put us on the wrong foot. |
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| I agree with Cleo there. -Lunacie said: Judging from the first arc, this is just how the show handle with the small mysteries that were already happened and done.Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. |
"A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
cleo said: hellsascendant said: i've been saying that for a while. i'll be firm on this say we know that the caught girl and avril have ties. No we don't. We're merely guessing based on the fact they're both blonde and Avril has an injury. what i meant have ties has nothing to do with the fact that their both blonde and have injury. i have to disagree on merely. those external definitions weren't the most important part of proving that they have connection. it was the newspaper article the Asian dude summarized for us i also think that its possible they are leading us away from the right answer, funny thing is pages ago people were complaining how easy everything is and now people start thinking its too hard. that aside, all we CAN and have a IMMEDIATE answer is thus. any further speculation won't have any base. not aying its impossible. although i say its possible i strongly doubt it. its like adding too many negatives in a loop. saying that they are tricking us Could be a strategy, however they may also want us to THINK that they ARE tricking us when they AREN'T.OR making us think that they AREN'T tricking us by TRICKING us into thinking that they ARE tricking us by NOT tricking us. adding too many negatives to a sentence over complicates it and make it loose its statement. |
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EvianBubble said: Wow, it's interesting but honestly crazy. Why would a head chopped off by a wire NOT FALL OFF IMMEDIATELY, but rather STAY ON while a motorcycle's going really quickly AND WHILE THE BODY WAS LAUNCHED IN THE AIR?! Also, he died STANDING UP, MID POUND AGAINST THE DOOR? WTF? I mean ... seirously? Anyways, I actually like Avril. Of course they had to introduce yet another interesting character then have her be the culprit ... DUH ... -_-" Plus she's so OBVIOUSLY suspicious it's kind of sad really ... Anyways, Victorica's predictions were really far fetched ... logic gaps are HUGE. What if Kujo just likes blondes? O_O Anyways, can't ANY of the male characters (Glaviel or something and Kujo) figure anything out without Victorica? Of course not ... -_-" Nothing happens 'immediately'. The bike probably traveled no more than 30 feet after the decapitation. At 40 mph, that takes half a second. Both the head and the body are travelling at 40 mph with essentially the same wind resistance. Add to that the sucking action of the wet messy parts and I don't really have a problem with it unless they hit a bump in the road. After the crash though, I think they should have separated more quickly since the body was connected to the bike and would have acquired a different trajectory. It should have decelerated quickly and the head should have continued onward. But… I consider it dramatic license and not unreasonable since it doesn't actually change anything. (Of course, it didn't look like the bike was slowing down even though it was coming up to a T-intersection.) Maybe Maxim died of a heart attack. I think his body would have slumped though. This actually strikes me as the one piece I'd be critical of. Again, I don't think that it changed anything. It just made for a more dramatic opening of the crypt. As far as Victorique's comments on blondes... Perhaps her own subconscious is affecting her thoughts. She obviously has an issue with Kujou's lustful, shameful daydreams. And it seems like half the country is blonde. Maybe she has other, unstated clues but would rather use the opportunity to dig at Kujou's imagination. Grevil managed to arrest someone else without being told who it was. Of course, maybe that arrest will also turn out to be wrongly made. We'll have to see what Avril does. But again, the two guys are action oriented. Shoot first, ask questions later. arrrrr said: Heres the official spellings. ヴィクトリカ(Vikutorika) = http://gosick.tv/character/img/victorica_new.jpg (Victorica) セシル (Seshiru) = http://gosick.tv/character/img/cecil.jpg (Cecil) グレヴィール (Gureviiru) = http://gosick.tv/character/img/glaviel.jpg (Glaviel) Tokyopop obviously didn't bother to check the names for the english TL of the light novel. Given where they're from (i.e. the French/Italian border), the 'que' ending makes more sense to me. I don't think that you can translate the spelling directly since Japanese doesn't appear to have an analogue for 'que'. Nor a pronunciation. That's why it's pronounced 'Victorika'. Take a look at how Cecil comes out for an even better example. Or consider the show's title for another. I don't think there is an official, meaningful spelling of her name (in a latin script). And since the characters aren't English either, people are barking up the wrong tree. Not sure that it's relevant. |
SaitoeFeb 3, 2011 4:20 AM
| Hmm. I don't really understand why the crypt is there in the first place...it seems very abnormal for a school to handle the funeral. Wasn't this a prestigious academy for the aristocracy? It's not like their parents couldn't afford to have the kid sent back to them, and have their own grand funeral. Maybe it's customary in the country they're in or something, but I wouldn't leave my child on a slab in a room full of random former students and faculty members. Wait, wealthy nobles would probably have their own family crypt, right? Why was there even a graveyard on the school grounds, anyway? Also, if Millie was terminally ill, wouldn't she have spent the short remainder of her life in her home, perhaps with a private tutor? Especially when she knew her time was short. Didn't she think of rejoining her family? And even if she didn't because she wanted to carry out her plan and die with Maxim, her family should have still known she was terminally ill, and again, shouldn't have sent her to a boarding school in the first place. Anyway, i love this anime, it's really easy to watch. I hope it's able to really surprise me with this arc. I'm not sure why this little issue is bugging me so much... |
-Lunacie said: Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. indeed. |
| Solid episode... again! crypts... and corpses... creepy fun! Avril is sooo suspicious... I am enjoying these quick mysteries.... |
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| And yet amongst all this arguing no one asks the question: who was the rider? |
| Reality's a bore. |
-Lunacie said: Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. oh you may be watching a different episode because nothing has been solved yet, the METHOD OF THE CRIME has been explained but nothing has been answered yet, and the solution to those methods has been deducted by Victorica due to EVIDENCES GOT FROM GLAVIEL'S INVESTIGATIONS, EVIDENCES INCLUDES PHYSICAL OBJECTS OR THINGS USE FOR THE CRIME, TESTAMENTS FROM WITNESSES AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION OR BACKGROUND REGARDING TO THOSE INVOLVE IN THE CRIME. BUT ALL VICTORICA HAVE DEDUCTED ARE JUST THE METHODS AND ARE THE CULPRIT OR POSSIBLE CULPRIT, NOTHING HAS BEEN MADE CERTAIN YET DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MOTIVE AND THE IDENTITY OR CHARACTER BIO OF THE MURDERER AND THE VICTIM. haven't you noticed, Kujo is always asking the question "WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT? twice, one in each case but is interrupted because the answer is not yet to be revealed this episode. IT'S THE SAME WITH THE CASE IN EPISODE 1 w/c only had been made clear in episode 3. |
| Simplistic beauty can't be appreciated by someone who looks for something grand in everything he watch. |
| hey.. the case not as bad as you thinking T.T I like how the little cases are linked, detective story with an ARC include little cases become a big case is really awasome *at least for me :p* I've read the manga *just 3 chapt, and scanlation/translation stuck*, when Victorique just want to tell her final analysis of this arc... and damn it, I just too curious. |
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| This being awesome is already obvious so i'll just leave what i noticed now here: WTF!? |
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Yumekichi11 said: No one knows so it cannot be argued only speculated, I personally don't have any clue as to who may he be at all. And isn't that the fun part? Take a look at how wrapped up the rider was, he had almost no distinguishing characteristics. While he could have been just another throw away character like the lifeboat lot on the Queen Berry there is always the possibility that he has more to contribute. My point is I prefer to speculate and try to work things out rather than mull over solved mysteries and their overall level of difficulty. Err... that's not to say I don't enjoy how the mysteries tend to connect to each other. I'll shut up now. [lurk] |
NonNocetFeb 3, 2011 9:33 PM
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AmberFebruary said: -Lunacie said: Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. oh you may be watching a different episode because nothing has been solved yet, the METHOD OF THE CRIME has been explained but nothing has been answered yet, and the solution to those methods has been deducted by Victorica due to EVIDENCES GOT FROM GLAVIEL'S INVESTIGATIONS, EVIDENCES INCLUDES PHYSICAL OBJECTS OR THINGS USE FOR THE CRIME, TESTAMENTS FROM WITNESSES AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION OR BACKGROUND REGARDING TO THOSE INVOLVE IN THE CRIME. BUT ALL VICTORICA HAVE DEDUCTED ARE JUST THE METHODS AND ARE THE CULPRIT OR POSSIBLE CULPRIT, NOTHING HAS BEEN MADE CERTAIN YET DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MOTIVE AND THE IDENTITY OR CHARACTER BIO OF THE MURDERER AND THE VICTIM. haven't you noticed, Kujo is always asking the question "WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT? twice, one in each case but is interrupted because the answer is not yet to be revealed this episode. IT'S THE SAME WITH THE CASE IN EPISODE 1 w/c only had been made clear in episode 3. TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR POINT. I understand without it, so stop. -__- Anywayyy, I never said anything was solved, and most of my post was directed towards the first part of the show involving the biker and also towards the previous cases. |
| Lol. Yes. Yay for blondes. |
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| In the end of this episode after she collected all pieces of chaos "Type who are like being bossed around by girl" Duh. She made me realize myself! |
| There is like 2 weeks delay in my recent reading list I randomly bought discount/second hand manga with cute/mysterious cover.  Use Personal Blacklist extension in Chrome if you just want to Google for a series synopsis, without google slapping MAL score in it. 3/1 |
| Maxim's body scared the hell out of me. Especially since I was watching this in a wide-screen monitor .___. If Millie Marl locked Maxim inside the crypt then died right after, wouldn't they have found Maxim's body when they opened it to put Millie's (dead) body in the crypt? Seeing that Maxim was shouting for help and that Millie was already dead with a cloth over her body. ...I think I just fried my brain. Victorique solves mysterious so fast. Still getting used to it. |
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| Victorique is so pretty when she runs. Glitteryyyyy~ |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
-Lunacie said: AmberFebruary said: -Lunacie said: Ugh, the reasoning behind some of the culprits is too narrow, and I hate how Victorica can just suddenly get so many answers without any real investigation and only a little deduction. I prefer mysteries that lead up to the solution and build on suspects and evidence, not just a detective blowing on a pipe and suddenly knowing all the exact specifics. oh you may be watching a different episode because nothing has been solved yet, the METHOD OF THE CRIME has been explained but nothing has been answered yet, and the solution to those methods has been deducted by Victorica due to EVIDENCES GOT FROM GLAVIEL'S INVESTIGATIONS, EVIDENCES INCLUDES PHYSICAL OBJECTS OR THINGS USE FOR THE CRIME, TESTAMENTS FROM WITNESSES AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION OR BACKGROUND REGARDING TO THOSE INVOLVE IN THE CRIME. BUT ALL VICTORICA HAVE DEDUCTED ARE JUST THE METHODS AND ARE THE CULPRIT OR POSSIBLE CULPRIT, NOTHING HAS BEEN MADE CERTAIN YET DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE MOTIVE AND THE IDENTITY OR CHARACTER BIO OF THE MURDERER AND THE VICTIM. haven't you noticed, Kujo is always asking the question "WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT? twice, one in each case but is interrupted because the answer is not yet to be revealed this episode. IT'S THE SAME WITH THE CASE IN EPISODE 1 w/c only had been made clear in episode 3. TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR POINT. I understand without it, so stop. -__- Anywayyy, I never said anything was solved, and most of my post was directed towards the first part of the show involving the biker and also towards the previous cases. I think what -Lunacie was getting at was her way of explaining things. For me it's the same, she sort of always explains things in a "nothing but the truth" way. Like "It has to be this no matter what and I am absolutely correct". I mean sure her explanations make sense, but it does not satisfy me as a viewer because there is still room for error. For instance, lets take a look at the "corner of the eye" example. As an explanation sure it is valid, but how can one be 100% certain that that is exactly what it was and not something else? The human mind is complex and not always predictable, and to just use the "corner of the eye" as an explanation seems rather..well..bullshit. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, for I am not an expert in the field of psychology. |
DavyuJul 3, 2011 1:33 AM
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| This episode sometimes made me feel I was watching something like CSI. |
Apologies, I just can't avoid to rant. |
Davyu said: she sort of always explains things in a "nothing but the truth" way. Like "It has to be this no matter what and I am absolutely correct". I mean sure her explanations make sense, but it does not satisfy me as a viewer because there is still room for error. For instance, lets take a look at the "corner of the eye" example. As an explanation sure it is valid, but how can one be 100% certain that that is exactly what it was and not something else? The human mind is complex and not always predictable, and to just use the "corner of the eye" as an explanation seems rather..well..bullshit. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, for I am not an expert in the field of psychology. that was probably the one part that seems VERY unrealistic, but than again, if things are realistic, than it gets boring, (probably half the reason why were watching anime, lol) btw every single time i see her with the blowpipe, i always start imagining one of the phoenix wright songs, the "thinking" one specifically, lol |
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| All these cases are just too easy. I'm not boasting myself but even I can solve the cases in this series. It just Kujou and Grevil that are too stupid to not figure out the crimes. I expected this series will be more Vic's psychological thinking against all these cases, some twists in the facts and reasoning but so far this series had let me down =( |
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| I wish I had teachers like this :$ |
| I really like the teacher! She's great! |
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| The case was kinda boring but Avril seemed really suspicious. |
lanachan said: Maxim's body scared the hell out of me. Especially since I was watching this in a wide-screen monitor .___. Sameeee! >.< SCREAMERS. GAH. Avril is so suspicious. XD The teacher is so bubbly and nice. :D I'm pretty sure the bike guy head chopped off had to do with the whole Maxim case. LOL I think its the missing corpse? IDK. And Avril must have a relation to this too. And gotta say, I love the ending theme. : ) Like the song, not the animation. |
| The scenes in which Grevil lose important parts of the explanation whenever he enters the elevator are the best! |
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