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| First and foremost R.I.P one of my favorite character from the entire DR Universe. Lets do this puh.............. The whole part with Nanami torture was......hard it hit me hard and it still hurts me. And the Hinata/Izuru interaction with dying Chiaki was the nail on my coffin. But let`s talk about the lore of DR and the story overall. This whole series started great with a nice fanservice and character moments. We all know the DR2 cast from the game so there is no need to re introduce them anew. But after EP4 everything rushed so fast. No 78th class action with Junko. No NeoWorldProgramm, no Ryoko Othanashi stuff, no Matsuda expect that one cameo scene, no showcase of Junkos manipluation abilities and the whole plot how the 77th class fell to despair(the explaination makes somewhat sense with teh Anime) but if you think about it it is the same bullshit like the "Despair book" from DanganRonpaTogami spinoff that if you read it makes you a full despair^^. So many things are wrong with this Anime and it hurts me a lot. The 11 episodes cant explain the full story and doesn't do it justice. The whole thing kinda differs and takes from Junkos manipulativ skills. Like with Mitarai it is a perfect example how she can do it. And it was always strongly hinted that Junko took the class 1 by 1 into Despair. how it was done in the end was somewhat logical.....but it is not what always was suggested in the games. Overall this whole thing seems kinda out of character for Junko. I finally understand why i like Mirai-hen more. Because there is no real problem(but still a problem) with the fast paceing because we dont care about the FutureFoundation characters that much expect Naegi & Co. Yeah we got flasbacks for some of them but we still dont care that much as for characters we know now for years and years. Overall both series have a lot of problems but Despair has the biggest problems because it has the burden of the whole how everything went to shit on his shoulders. And it is no easy cross. I wish they had never done the Despair Anime and put the money from there to the Mirai-hen Anime to make more Episodes and the whole animation stuff. I saw some really laggy^^ scenes in this Despair episode around the whole torture stuff with Chiaki. Overall this episode leaves a bad taste and a broken hearth in more than one way. I dont know it just it doesn't live up to what the series throughout the whole games told us. We have one episode left. There is still no Fujisaki or any hint that the NeoWorldProgamm will be explained. Overall the Anime needed more time to explain things. More time to show us things. Like every character of the 77th class had a reason to fall in despair becasue of their backstorys. But cuz the Anime makes uz evil/despair is what we got. R.I.P Chiaki Nanami..........  As always thank you for reading and sorry for my bad grammar. |
MightyM16 said: Manecleis said: Honestly, I'd rather have her alive in the Future Arc, even with a bullshit turn of events, just so that "we" can have revenge on her without having to play Danganronpa 1 again. Seems like this anime really managed to make people truly hate Junko But c'mon guys, did you expected anything else ? This is the despair arc Actually i want Junko to be alive again and someone should torture her with every single method she use to torture people I would laugh so much It make me cry with happiness seeing her death It will be enjoyable. |
Manecleis said: Kirigiri50 said: And Izuru/Hajime not recognising her and she die not wanting to die. I feel really sad for Nanami. I am so glad Junko is now dead that fucking bitch deserve it I hope someone torture Junko more I would be very happy to see it. Honestly, I'd rather have her alive in the Future Arc, even with a bullshit turn of events, just so that "we" can have revenge on her without having to play Danganronpa 1 again. True But I want her to recieve Execution on all character starting From jin Kirigiri one, all 78 execxution,Nanami one and all student councils combine that then take her head off and burn her body nothing ther nothing left. Really hate Junko Enoshima |
| You know, I really like Chiaki and today I've seen her die for the second time (well, first time timeline-wise). Normally, I'd cheer for a show keeping its dead characters dead, but this time around I really hope Kirigiri is still alive somehow. |
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Manecleis said: Nah man, I see what you're getting at but if they were looking at a monitor its highly likely that the footage of what they were seeing had the subliminal messaging found in the despair tapes edited in.Irseus said: And since their bond is really strong, it must be really sad for them to watch one of their friends being tortured sadistically. So sad, indeed. Honestly, there's nothing that can justify this outcome - they were like this RIGHT AFTER Nanami died brutally. This is not sadness, defeat and resignation, it's creepy excitement and twisted despair without the brainwashing, brain-messing parts. It was poorly written, and that's a shame since the whole point of the Despair arc was to get to that. |
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Specimen021 said: You know, I really like Chiaki and today I've seen her die for the second time (well, first time timeline-wise). Normally, I'd cheer for a show keeping its dead characters dead, but this time around I really hope Kirigiri is still alive somehow. Yep Even if Kirigiri dead she have way more better dead than Nanami and Chisa. Well they are many hints she still alive Cure w that just roll away from her, The Posion didn t spread half her body unlike others who die the same way only small amount of blood from her left eye and 6 survivors In Mirai hen. This hints maybe prove that she is alive but in bad shape. Anyway speaking of Nanami death I am amazed how she manage to talk and move a little after getting stab but those spikes? she made of iron like Tengan?? How she is so resilent?? |
Kirigiri50 said: This hints maybe prove that she is alive but in bad shape. Anyway speaking of Nanami death I am amazed how she manage to talk and move a little after getting stab but those spikes? she made of iron like Tengan?? How she is so resilent?? She needed to be alive long enough for a speech and, I presume, for Izuru to make an AI out of her, or keep her living in some way for long enough. But yeah, speech - it was important to make Kamukura cry. As for Kirigiri, they didn't explicitly state that she wasn't breathing, I think, just assumed she's dead because of the poison's effects. And if she survives, she's bound to have scars on her face as well now. |
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| Lol Boxer guy gay af, and for that he betrayed his friends. I knew Munakata was right from the start. I'm surprised the white haired Hope guy even got despair infected. When he was talking at the end I thought he was gonna snap out of it but nop. |
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fofo808 said: Manecleis said: Nah man, I see what you're getting at but if they were looking at a monitor its highly likely that the footage of what they were seeing had the subliminal messaging found in the despair tapes edited in.So sad, indeed. Honestly, there's nothing that can justify this outcome - they were like this RIGHT AFTER Nanami died brutally. This is not sadness, defeat and resignation, it's creepy excitement and twisted despair without the brainwashing, brain-messing parts. It was poorly written, and that's a shame since the whole point of the Despair arc was to get to that. Sublimal messaging of despair tapes with friend going through torture for over 5 minutes vs. the simple action of seeing your beloved teacher killing your friend in front of you. I call this wasted effort, especially since the latter makes much more sense as to why they would fall to despair. Not to mention that their faces were so stupid that it makes me wonder how exactly are they suppose to be the ones that destroy the world. I felt like laughing and puking at the same time. |
| Welp I finished the episode and... man that was so hard to watch, in terms of EVERYTHING from the after 5 minute mark. EVERYTHING, AND I MEAN EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING!! *cough* sorry, but I just really couldn't say much but I'll try to give my idea with the episode, albeit I do think there was one thing that bugged me, but anyone can correct me on this manner, hopefully they can understand of course. The episode at least for the first 5 minutes were pretty nice to see, at least for the Junko moments. It was more like "Yeah I will show Munakata these pictures if you don't tell him that I am innocent." It also makes sense since you know, in the Future Arc I think he was of course rather staying loyal to Munakata, but that's because he betrayed him so he wanted to kind of keep that, if you get what I mean around here. It really connects at the very least in that sense. And well as for the entire 15 minutes scene... Oh boy do I have to say, they made me feel like shit completely for today, that even I feel the pain of everyone from the source medias. I mean even twitter (which I use that site a lot more often tbh) have been pretty much going despair dosage here a shit ton, and I feel them really, it's painful, and just heart wrenching to watch, as well with a lot of shit would be going on around. Actually before I go into it, let me point that props to the anime for referencing the intro of the punishment, and by that I mean this actually. ^ This felt so nostalgic in a sense despite me playing the game like... let's say nearly a month ago. Like shit time flies so fast of course. I felt a sense of fright when this was actually shown and I hate it when it was shown, because I knew that it was going to happen. Now for the torture scene... Oh boy, I felt fucking heart wrenched, and well, its because Chiaki is one of my favorite characters in DR as a whole, so seeing this in the sense, makes me feel like shit, since I dont want her to suffer this way, and since I don't want her to die due to well, some connection to the one in the second game. I think it makes sense at least for this one for me. I just don't like seeing this scene. Also another thing though, I think this would make sense and people were kind of complaining in some way, but the way the characters turned into despair seems pretty decent, yes the concept is pretty overused, but again it was used in a clever way. You don't really see it, but here's what I can point out in my honest opinion. Although this seems rushed, but I do think that because of Chiaki being influenced and keeping everyone together, kind of meant that if they see her dying, well, it will break them over and turning them into despair, just because they were with her, shared times with her, they were friends with her, she was the one there around them and at their side, etc. You get what I am saying? By killing her off and taking her away from them, that somehow will break them because of the time they spent together. Yes it's rushed, since we don't see it in the anime due to the amount of episodes it has gotten (12, I mean why 12?), but I do see it working that way in some sense, especially with the thought when I have Chiaki from DR2 in mind as well. So you would get my point. The scene between Izuru and Chiaki was like the cherry on top I guess, which was heart wrenching in some way because Chiaki wanted to help him out in some way, and she couldn't, heck she didn't even knew this would actually happen. So its a sense of regret that she would have in that aspect and I can clearly understand that, and that's actually pretty sad in all honesty. I felt like it was heart wrenching in some way, especially with the last scene. I do think also that the way they used Izuru in this episode was pretty fine, though it could have been executed well. No I'm not talking about the scene itself, but to Izuru in some sense. I mean this can be cliche about "A person not remembering anything yet they still have feelings or at least emotions through" its like the memories are rather away and erased, but the feelings and emotions not really. It makes sense really, although rather cliche but it doesn't really take away the enjoyment out of it, and actually in Future Arc, it makes more sense in some way towards Izuru and the flower scene. You know? Although I still had this issue: Komaeda suffered through a lot of shit, and he didn't got broken there, yet he got broken when he saw Chiaki being tortured? Uh... alrighty? That's kind of confusing. Unless he was rather stable in some sense but this scene broke him completely and turned him into despair and such. Overall good episode though. Although it can be fixed in some way but oh well. |
| A little disappointed with them going down the dreaded 'brainwashing over gradual and natural breakdown' but this wasn't as bad as I expected. Seeing someone like Nanami go through that WOULD be pretty damn traumatizing. Wish there'd be a LITTLE more to the process (taking advantage of dark pasts of the characters that we know about from DR2) but can't have it all. Glad to see a bit of human in Izuru, hope that when we FINALLY see him in Future Arc we'll see the cold badass with Hinata's moral heart and maybe Soda's inventions and Akane and Fuyuhiko's fighting skills to back him up? (Also Juzo, even after dying in one series, you continue to be a fuck up, good job.) |
| Oh right, I forgot to add: I've always hated Mikan for killing Ibuki. This episode made me hate her even more. |
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MightyM16 said: FlamingMangos said: There's literally no possible way to even somehow convince someone to start being despair and kill people without having brainwashing involved. I don't get how you can manipluate someone using their sad past to all of a sudden make them like a killing puppet. It makes no fucking sense. That's literally impossible. THIS I don't get the complaints Did people wanted the DR2 cast to be murderous assholes because "muh sad past"? Because it doesn't really make sense? I mean if I saw my friend being tortured then killed, I would want revenge. Aren't these idiots supposed to be Ultimates? Alright, they are high-school kids, but still. Let's put this another way, if instead of watching a video of their friend being tortured and killed for 5 minutes, they saw Chisa, their beloved teacher for quite some time now, killing their friend right in front of them, I would say that would have been more reasonable, make more sense, and more despair-inducing. Someone they trust killing their friend, not many people can recover from that. I call the execution wasted effort and time. That and the fact that their faces looked so stupid: Can you see these idiots being the ones to lead the entire world into Despair? The writing feels very cheap, and there are a lot of wasted potential, like the Twilight Incident. Why exactly was the point of it, other than a cameo? It could have been used as the root of Kuzuryuu, Peko, Ibuki, Hiyoko, Mahiru, and Tsumiki's despair, because it involved them killing people. Nope, the damn thing was glossed over like it was nothing, except for being the reason why Hinata got mad and wanted to be an Ultimate. Wasted potential I say. Junko needs more personal time, like how she screwed Juuzo over so badly. That was one of the highlights of this episode, as well as the end scene between Nanami and Hinata. The anime is conflicting with the lore of the games, and that is just screwed up. |
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| "I'll... never forget about you guys... I'll never... ever forget... I'll be cheering for you guys from now on... from somewhere. Cuz... we're all friends, after all." Chiaki Nanami's words right after Hajime Hinata thank her near the end of the game. One can keep calling her an AI, but these words filled with hope & love truthfully from Chiaki herself, the one who united them all with video games during their school days & the one they once called a class leader. The one who supported & helped Izuru return to his original self & remain next to him to defeat AI Junko together. Good bye Chiaki Nanami, you will always have a special place in our hearts for being one of the most supportive & brilliant character in Danganronpa universe. First episode of Danganronpa 3 ever I cried, are you not entertained, Kodaka? |
MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? Instead of that, you get this:  A bunch of drooling idiots. |
Specimen021 said: Kirigiri50 said: This hints maybe prove that she is alive but in bad shape. Anyway speaking of Nanami death I am amazed how she manage to talk and move a little after getting stab but those spikes? she made of iron like Tengan?? How she is so resilent?? She needed to be alive long enough for a speech and, I presume, for Izuru to make an AI out of her, or keep her living in some way for long enough. But yeah, speech - it was important to make Kamukura cry. As for Kirigiri, they didn't explicitly state that she wasn't breathing, I think, just assumed she's dead because of the poison's effects. And if she survives, she's bound to have scars on her face as well now. True I think she lose her left eye the one the blood just comes out from Well Its better than be dead right? |
| I was laughing so hard due to how bad the first part of the episode was that I only stopped midway through Chiaki's execution, which made me feel bad. :/ Her speech to Izuru was stupid though. How did she survive after being impalled like that? He didn't even show up soon after all that... I guess this will really turn out to be the worst anime I'll finish watching. Oh well... |
trannon1 said: MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? Instead of that, you get this: A bunch of drooling idiots.  They never contradicted themselves though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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trannon1 said: MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? Instead of that, you get this: A bunch of drooling idiots. I mean, isn't it confirmed that Junko can be considered a liar as well though? In some way? I mean when I think about it of course... she did lied a lot of times in a way xD |
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trannon1 said: Genius, if only this picture hasn't been pulled every week since brain-washing started. The exact same could be said about the transcript as well. |
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Yehart said: trannon1 said: Genius, if only this picture hasn't been pulled every week since brain-washing started. The exact same could be said about the transcript as well. How long do you think, before they manage to take over the world? 10 years? I estimate 1 year of recovery since they look like they just had a stroke and regressed to babyhood. |
| So Izuru cried... now I wonder if he somehow digitalized Chiaki and that maybe his master plan for SDR2 was not to revive Junko, but to let Chiaki get another shoot at saving everyone? Also, I'm baffled that people needed a confirmation that Sakakura was in love with Munakata. The guy was always obsessed with Munakata but did not show almost any emotion when Chisa died in Mira-hen (did he think about her even once?). It was clear as day that he fancied Munakata, not Chisa. Manecleis said: Irseus said: And since their bond is really strong, it must be really sad for them to watch one of their friends being tortured sadistically. So sad, indeed. Honestly, there's nothing that can justify this outcome - they were like this RIGHT AFTER Nanami died brutally. This is not sadness, defeat and resignation, it's creepy excitement and twisted despair without the brainwashing, brain-messing parts. It was poorly written, and that's a shame since the whole point of the Despair arc was to get to that. Mitarai's brainwashign techniques. Mitarai's.Fucking.Brainwashing.Techniques. The entire damn video was filled with sublime brainwashing, with Nanami serving as a trigger to turn them insane. Manecleis said: I'm watching the french subbed version and they can't move because of the footage of Nanami's torture, eventhough it's broadcast live and therefore, there's no brainwashing technique applied to it? Junko used brainwashing to paralyze them. trannon1 said: This honestly doesn't make sense anymore. Where are the red eyes I was promised from Mirai-hen's opening? What was the point of the Twilight Incident if it has no bearing on Class 77's despair? I was so sure that Tsumiki, Peko, Kuzuryuu, Hiyoko, Ibuki, and Mahiru's despair was based on that, since the girls murdered Kuzuryuu's sister and Kuzuryuu murdered their friend in return. I don't remember SDR2 ever suggesting that the Twilight Syndrome was used to push anyone into Despair. It's main role was to be a motive for second murder and to prove that the cast really were going to school together once. trannon1 said: Sublimal messaging of despair tapes with friend going through torture for over 5 minutes vs. the simple action of seeing your beloved teacher killing your friend in front of you. I call this wasted effort, especially since the latter makes much more sense as to why they would fall to despair. Throwing someone into Despair and turning someone into an Ultimate Despair are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. Such an event would never ever turn them into Junko's loyal lapdogs. It could shake them up and it could kill their motivations, but it could not make them work for Junko temporally yet alone make them serve her long after her death (to the point they would sacrifice their own selves for her resurrection). And unless you are rotten to the core or brainwashed, you can't become an Ultimate Despair fanatically loyal to Junko. And we know from SDR2 that they are not rotten to the core. trannon1 said: Because it doesn't really make sense? I mean if I saw my friend being tortured then killed, I would want revenge. Aren't these idiots supposed to be Ultimates? Alright, they are high-school kids, but still. Let's put this another way, if instead of watching a video of their friend being tortured and killed for 5 minutes, they saw Chisa, their beloved teacher for quite some time now, killing their friend right in front of them, I would say that would have been more reasonable, make more sense, and more despair-inducing. Someone they trust killing their friend, not many people can recover from that. I call the execution wasted effort and time. If they were just shown a normal video, they would want revenge, yes. But they weren't shown a normal video. They were given a video whose content broke their willpower and whose sublime messaging directly fucked up with their brains. As for their faces, they are SUPPOSED to look stupid and crazy. Their status as Ultimate Despair are supposed to be pitiful and disgusting, not cool, dignified or edgy. They lost their humanity and became drolling lunatics that would happily implant Junko's body parts onto themselves. MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? What was the source again? Future Foundation which not only lacked intel, but also had absolutely no positive opinion about them? Monokuma who was never a reliable source of info and enjoyed looking at them believing that they did it willingly? |
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| With the student council killing and Chiaki's death, it's starting to make Komaeda's "suicide" in SDR2 look like a joke :P That being said, the brainwashing wasn't what I was hoping for and wasn't what we were told before. I know Monokuma/Junko's a liar and all, but it's easy to differentiate Monokuma's lies from truth just by the tone of his voice. It's obvious that Kodaka just wanted to do things differently and said "screw whatever was said before". Though they all went to despair because of Mitarai's subliminal additions to the video, since Chiaki's death wouldn't be enough for them to go in complete despair, right? Oh god, I knew Chiaki's death won't be an easy one, but Kodaka's really showcasing how big of a sadist he is. It's funny how Chiaki was still able to talk after being impaled by god knows how many spears. But man, a bit of Hinata is alive in Kamukura. Dem feels ;_; And I love that Sakakura actually loved Munakata. I didn't see that coming, even though I should've :D Also based Ogata Megumi! Komaeda's voice acting is always great, but he sounded even better in this episode. Kibousexual ftw! So I'm guessing that the next episode will be the Remnants of Despair terrorizing the world and maybe in the final episode, we can have the series ending with the SDR2 characters on Jabberwock Island and end with some hope :3 5/5 |
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Nayrael said: Manecleis said: So sad, indeed. Honestly, there's nothing that can justify this outcome - they were like this RIGHT AFTER Nanami died brutally. This is not sadness, defeat and resignation, it's creepy excitement and twisted despair without the brainwashing, brain-messing parts. It was poorly written, and that's a shame since the whole point of the Despair arc was to get to that. Mitarai's brainwashign techniques. Mitarai's.Fucking.Brainwashing.Techniques. The entire damn video was filled with sublime brainwashing, with Nanami serving as a trigger to turn them insane. So brainwashing's the new Deux Ex Machina as to convey why it makes sense? Because it doesn't. People turn suicidal after long exposure to abuse. I know, because I have felt suicidal once before. It was pure depression, heaviness, I hated God, the world, and honestly wished I had a button that could just end everything. It is impossible for Despair to be this simple. Nayrael said: Manecleis said: I'm watching the french subbed version and they can't move because of the footage of Nanami's torture, eventhough it's broadcast live and therefore, there's no brainwashing technique applied to it? Junko used brainwashing to paralyze them. Again, is brainwashing the new Deux Ex Machina? Nayrael said: trannon1 said: This honestly doesn't make sense anymore. Where are the red eyes I was promised from Mirai-hen's opening? What was the point of the Twilight Incident if it has no bearing on Class 77's despair? I was so sure that Tsumiki, Peko, Kuzuryuu, Hiyoko, Ibuki, and Mahiru's despair was based on that, since the girls murdered Kuzuryuu's sister and Kuzuryuu murdered their friend in return. I don't remember SDR2 ever suggesting that the Twilight Syndrome was used to push anyone into Despair. It's main role was to be a motive for second murder and to prove that the cast really were going to school together once. SDR2 did not outright say it, but it was a good implication, since they actually KILLED students. With their own hands. Tsumiki, Ibuki, Hiyoko, Mahiru, and her friend were all responsible for killing Kuzuryuu's sister. And it was implied that Kuzuryuu killed the friend in return. Wouldn't that be more realistic for despair? Killing someone is very easy, but the act itself is extremely difficult. Enough that you can feel guilt for the rest of your lives, giving leverage to (cough) manipulate. Goes hand-in-hand with what we do know about Junko from the games. Nayrael said: trannon1 said: Sublimal messaging of despair tapes with friend going through torture for over 5 minutes vs. the simple action of seeing your beloved teacher killing your friend in front of you. I call this wasted effort, especially since the latter makes much more sense as to why they would fall to despair. Throwing someone into Despair and turning someone into an Ultimate Despair are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. Such an event would never ever turn them into Junko's loyal lapdogs. It could shake them up and it could kill their motivations, but it could not make them work for Junko temporally yet alone make them serve her long after her death (to the point they would sacrifice their own selves for her resurrection). And unless you are rotten to the core or brainwashed, you can't become an Ultimate Despair fanatically loyal to Junko. And we know from SDR2 that they are not rotten to the core. They are Ultimate Despair. Goddammit, they are called the Remnants of Despair because they are the survivors of Ultimate Despair. Go look it up in the wikia. Nayrael said: trannon1 said: Because it doesn't really make sense? I mean if I saw my friend being tortured then killed, I would want revenge. Aren't these idiots supposed to be Ultimates? Alright, they are high-school kids, but still. Let's put this another way, if instead of watching a video of their friend being tortured and killed for 5 minutes, they saw Chisa, their beloved teacher for quite some time now, killing their friend right in front of them, I would say that would have been more reasonable, make more sense, and more despair-inducing. Someone they trust killing their friend, not many people can recover from that. I call the execution wasted effort and time. If they were just shown a normal video, they would want revenge, yes. But they weren't shown a normal video. They were given a video whose content broke their willpower and whose sublime messaging directly fucked up with their brains. As for their faces, they are SUPPOSED to look stupid and crazy. Their status as Ultimate Despair are supposed to be pitiful and disgusting, not cool, dignified or edgy. They lost their humanity and became drolling lunatics that would happily implant Junko's body parts onto themselves. And they are also supposed to be the ones to destroy the world. I would not object to them being not cool, but they need to be scary. They can be pitiful and disgusting even while being scary. Just look at Betelgeuse from Re:Zero. And Scary they are not. Also you just mentioned how they are not Ultimate Despair, and now you are saying they are, way to contradict yourself. Also, enough about sublime brainwashing. Hynosis? Sure. Manipulating one's mind for simple actions when their mind is in a state of haziness? Sure. Making someone kill themselves despite them being conscious and not wanting to? Wtf have you been drinking? Nayrael said: MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? What was the source again? Future Foundation which not only lacked intel, but also had absolutely no positive opinion about them? Monokuma who was never a reliable source of info and enjoyed looking at them believing that they did it willingly? This was from the game, you know, the original content? And this makes much more sense than brainwashing with a video. Even if Junko is a liar, she only lies when it is convenient for her. Other than that, she always tells the truth. This in no way is convenient for her, so there is no reason to lie. |
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Nayrael said: Yehart said: The exact same could be said about the transcript as well. And neither are a reliable source. Why would the real Neagi lie about them being brainwashed? |
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| @trannon1 I think it's that Mitarai's ultimate ability allows him to put subliminal messages in his videos/anime and allows him to fiddle around with other people's emotions, despite the actual video not being anything too extreme. |
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| It would have been literally impossible to turn them into ultimate despairs without brainwashing them but there were ways to use that and still keep Junko’s personal touch. She should have used a different method on each one individually by exploiting their personalities and traumas on top of the brainwashing. For example brainwash Mahiru into thinking that only despair is beautiful enough to take pictures of , convince Kuzuryu that it’s the entire world’s fault that his sister died ,brainwash Tanaka into believeing that his animals are demons and they are here to help him destroy the world etc etc On top of making them feel ecstasy while experiencing despair or something. They shouldn’t have gone with this mass brainwashing . But at least it wasn't a video of just some random student council members killing themselves but of their "hope" getting tortured. That makes it easier to accept . Well even with that disappointment I still enjoyed this anime tremendously. It was literally fan service(the good kind) for me . |
| I always expected Junko brainwashing people. But like her sister Mukuro/Mitari or newest we saw Juzo. Blackmailing and brainwashing yes. This is our Junko. By watching and Anime going mental and being a full despair or by reading a book and word by word going mental and going full despair is bullshit. I would accpect it for reserve studends. Hack i also accpected it by Chisa. But why would you give all these characters such a dark backround for nothing? Mikans father sexual absued her and she was bullied=despair Kuuzuryuus sister got killed he for the first time killed someone and went despair because he took his place as a son/heir of a Yakuza clan/boss seriously + Peko followed him because she failed her whole existence as bodyguard. Ibukis unstable personality and the fall out with her fromer band. Tanakas parents and that he was a unwanted child his heavy familiy problems and his complex about his mother and dirty blood. And so on. We all knew from DR2 that everyone in the 77th class had serious problems with people and more than one messed up circumstance. And this all this info about them all this character development of them and the whole thing how Junko seemed to use all this to make them the RoD for nothing? We got an brainwashing Anime? DR always had heavy brainwashing themes. Kamukura, DR1 memory wipe, DR0 first memory wipe but Junko made it back alone from her alter Ego Ryoko, Mind controle helmets from DRAnotherEpisode, DR2 again memory wipe trough the NeoWorldProgamm. There was always brainwashing in some form and it was always explained and somewhat logical for this universe. BUT this was never mentioned. It is not the case of Kamukuras killing game. The thing that Junko lied and used this was logical and in the fandom always suspect because Kamukura was the Übermensch so why would he participate in the first place with his power he could escape easily. This time we have so much hints so much information about the entire cast their backround and the whole incidient itself. And all for nothing? Forgotten and never used? This is not the level of writing/plot twist i know from Kodaka that always had a suprise a shocker a mindfuck. This is just meh.....out of context. Expected but not logical. It is just sad that so much build up for certan events will never happen or happened because of the evil Anime & the evil book that makes you despair. |
| [quote=Yehart message=47781979] trannon1 said: Genius, if only this picture hasn't been pulled every week since brain-washing started. The exact same could be said about the transcript as well.[/quote This screenshot is from my game so would you care to explain where else you saw this picture? Expect tumblr where i also posted it today? |
| People are still complaining about brainwashing? We already know about it since a while. "But it's unrealistic" yeah like every ultimate talent in Danganronpa, I mean just look at Nagito. I rather have it this way. I wouldn't trust them to have good enough writing to make the change of some of those characters believable (Mahiru, Gundam, Akane, Nidai, Sonia) Definitely not in a 12 episode anime. |
MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? This is ridiculous. Junko does this type of stuff all the time, she will hide lies among truths to make the lies seem more real. And herself far more powerful and influential than she actually is. We are never given a straight answer about how everyone fell to despair in DR2. In fact there's been a lot more hints that brainwashing was always the case. From the brainwashing of the reserve course students we see in DR0, to Makoto saying everyone has been brainwashed, to Junko saying "maybe we hypnotized you, or opened your skulls and mess with your brains?" That combined with the fact the DR2 cast never had the amount issues or problems to believably become mass murdering psychopaths who killed billions leads brainwashing to be the only sensible conclusion. |
| I read some comments and can't do anything but laugh. You guys seriously think one person can turn another into a psychotic killer just by using some lame speech about despair? Reality is not always like this, kids, go out from your bubble just for a bit. Yeah, the brainwashing video is not really the best explanation for the class turning into despair, but it makes way more sense than Junko somehow turning them all into sick, twisted people by talking to them about despair. Yeah, I know in SDR2 Kodaka said otherwise, but oh well, not even Shakespeare's writing was perfect. By the way, Junko didn't just broadcast Chiaki's death. She did it using Mitarai's brainwashing techniques at the same time. Junko says it herself, that she needed more despair to turn the class into her puppets, and what can cause more despair than killing their "leader"?. If they had just watched the torture without any brainwashing, they would have just remained sad and angry. As for the episode, no doubt is the most saddest and painful to watch episode so far, and one of the best episodes of despair. We all knew Chiaki was going to die, but I never thought it was going to be so painful to watch. And the last scene was so touching, and Izuru crying was like feeling an arrow piercing my heart. This just confirms my theory more and more, that Kamukura is not entirely a bad guy, and even now Hajime still lives through him. Man, thank you, Kodaka, for making Izuru a much deeper character. My only complain is that Juzo suddenly being defeated was lame, and the blackmailing was even more lame. But other than that it was a solid episode. If Kodaka manages to make the next episodes to be much better and great, Despair side would have reached the level of masterpiece. |
KamuiGavinSep 15, 2016 4:32 PM
Bat_Knight said: MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? This is ridiculous. Junko does this type of stuff all the time, she will hide lies among truths to make the lies seem more real. And herself far more powerful and influential than she actually is. We are never given a straight answer about how everyone fell to despair in DR2. In fact there's been a lot more hints that brainwashing was always the case. From the brainwashing of the reserve course students we see in DR0, to Makoto saying everyone has been brainwashed, to Junko saying "maybe we hypnotized you, or opened your skulls and mess with your brains?" That combined with the fact the DR2 cast never had the amount issues or problems to believably become mass murdering psychopaths who killed billions leads brainwashing to be the only sensible conclusion. It would still be more believable than brainwashing people through a video. I agree that videos can make people feel certain emotions. But enough that they will change personality? That they will willingly commit mass genocide? Commit mass suicide? |
MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? Again >Believing Junko She says in the same trial that Izuru killed the enire council |
| Well, at least now we know why Kamukura smashed the heads of both kurokuma and shirokuma with such anger, like the bears said, he never showed any emotions, aaaaaaaaand this also showed us how he started to go against Enoshima, so Im just going to assume that Hinata was one with Izuru since this moment in particular... still, long live the queen long live Enoshima Junko |
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trannon1 said: Well yeah I agree, it is a cheap way to handle things. That being said, Danganronpa has a lot of "cheap" or "asspull" moments, especially Komaeda's luckGoldenDevilGamer said: @trannon1 I think it's that Mitarai's ultimate ability allows him to put subliminal messages in his videos/anime and allows him to fiddle around with other people's emotions, despite the actual video not being anything too extreme. I am not saying that Mitarai is unable to do that. I am just saying that it is cheap and bad writing. Danganronpa is a psychological show, and this just took psychology and threw it out of the window with brainwashing wthrough video being the solution to everything from converting Future Foundation members, to Ultimates, to normal students, to the entire world. |
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KamuiGavin said: My only complain is that Juzo suddenly being defeated was lame, and the blackmailing was even more lame. But other than that it was a solid episode. Yeah Juzo being defeated doesn't make any sense. Every character with a physical related talent in danganronpa is incredibly strong and he simply lost and they didn't even show how. |
trannon1 said: Bat_Knight said: This is ridiculous. Junko does this type of stuff all the time, she will hide lies among truths to make the lies seem more real. And herself far more powerful and influential than she actually is. We are never given a straight answer about how everyone fell to despair in DR2. In fact there's been a lot more hints that brainwashing was always the case. From the brainwashing of the reserve course students we see in DR0, to Makoto saying everyone has been brainwashed, to Junko saying "maybe we hypnotized you, or opened your skulls and mess with your brains?" That combined with the fact the DR2 cast never had the amount issues or problems to believably become mass murdering psychopaths who killed billions leads brainwashing to be the only sensible conclusion. It would still be more believable than brainwashing people through a video. I agree that videos can make people feel certain emotions. But enough that they will change personality? That they will willingly commit mass genocide? Commit mass suicide? When it's done by the Ultimate animator whose talent is about influencing people? Sure. I've seen far more absurd talents in Danganronpa. And at least this doesn't completely go against the characterization of the DR2 cast. |
trannon1 said: Rukoudiora said: Why are you only now complaining about the brainwashing? We knew since Ryota was introduced to us, he can brainwash people into hope, Junko just did the opposite, it's not hard to understand. Also people also turn suicidal after 1 day, did you know that? It happened to me, so I can confirm. It IS possible for despair to be this simple, speaking from experience. To your experience of feeling suicidal after 1 day, I am sorry to hear that. That said, I have been disgusted with the brainwashing for some time now, but I did not expect them to subject the main characters who were direct members of Ultimate Despair to the same treatment as mob characters. Rukoudiora said: In the end, Mahiru, Hiyoko, Ibuki and Tsumiki did nothing wrong. It was Sato that killed Fuyuhiko's sister, I don't see how they would fall into despair over something so silly, especially since Mahiru didn't like Fuyuhiko's sister (They didn't communicate very well). In the end, Fuyuhiko and Peko are members of the mafia, killing a bitch that killed his sister wont bring despair at all, in fact, it will actually make him happy, same goes for Peko. It would be cheap if this was the reason anyone actually fell into despair. Having your friend kill someone for your sake, someone you personally know, that doesn't bring despair? I'm sorry, are you actually human? From your words, you must have felt some horrible things, and I am sorry, since they probably broke something within you, but normal people, especially High School kids, will feel something. Guilt. Wow, you have the be the first person to call killing someone cheap. Are you forgetting that these are High School Students? Mafia or not, they are kids. No matter what, killing someone is something hard to do personally. And as adolescents, they are the type that will go and confront the person responsible. Just look at Kuzuryuu's actions in SDR2. That confirmed the guilt of the 5 girls as well as the way Kuzuryuu and Peko would have reacted. You have to remember, it was a symbol of hope to the class that got killed along with brainwashing techniques. I'm glad it wasn't the student council's video, but this makes sense to me. Okay, I understand you aren't happy with the brainwashing thing but I personally don't see how else you'd get someone like Nekomaru or Gundham or even Akane to fall into despair. This is to me, the most logical conclusion. It's not like Mahiru ASKED Sato to kill Fuyuhiko's sister, if you even look back at episode 3, Mahiru believed Sato that she didn't kill. I rule out Mahiru and co. out because of this. Someone like Fuyuhiko and Peko killing someone they hate and not feeling despair is understandable even if they are high school students. Let me ask you this. Did Leon fall into despair after he killed Sayaka? No. Did Mondo fall into despair? No. Did Celeste? No. etc. Killing someone doesn't necessarily bring despair, it depends on the person too. Someone like Fuyuhiko who is the heir to the biggest mafia clan in Japan wont fall into despair after killing someone who killed his sister. It's not that I'm heartless, I'm just thinking based on the series, not in real life. Sorry if I offended you in some way by the way. |
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