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Feb 20, 2015 1:20 PM

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ichii_1 said:
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Bleach's art is very overrated imo it looks very bland to me

A jojo fan shouldn't be talking about bland designs :(

Kubo's fashion sense is impeccable
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JoJo art shits on Bleach's
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Damn the spoilers in this thread are too much..
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Cash keeps proving how ugly JoJo's are...
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Feb 20, 2015 1:24 PM
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Mikasa said:
Damn JoJo's art is bad


That's probably why Araki's art is hanging in the Louvre. Because it's bad. You shouldn't post, when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Araki's art is objectively amazing. Just because it doesn't have the same ''anime'' style as most of manga, doesn't mean it's bad.

And no HxH doesn't have the best expressions. HxH's art is just bad. One Piece and Bleach are both miles better. Even Naruto is better.

Also unrelated question. Anyone knows which chapter of OP is the end of the Thriller Bark arc?
Feb 20, 2015 1:25 PM

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Mikasa said:
Cash keeps proving how ugly JoJo's are...
If detailed is ugly to you then sure
Feb 20, 2015 1:26 PM

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Saandro said:

Also unrelated question. Anyone knows which chapter of OP is the end of the Thriller Bark arc?


somewhere around 490, I know it's in volume 50
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seems that Akame ga Kill and Assassination Classroom are hot shit right now according to NYT's best sellers this week


Maybe besides that fans have gotten tired of the current arc. I have read in a few sites fans complaining that the story is a bit repetitive and filler-ish right now.

Yeah, There are two threads complaining about that in both of the anime and manga subforum.

Akame ga kill, didn't stay at the top for long, AssClass is surprisingly well received.
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Kaimon said:
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Also unrelated question. Anyone knows which chapter of OP is the end of the Thriller Bark arc?


somewhere around 490, I know it's in volume 50


Thanks.
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Do you know any Sci-Fi manga with better art than Battle Angel?

No, though Akira is quite good.

Blame or Eden: it's an endless world have some nice pages, but I think Battle Angel has better art overall.

Blame's art work is quite good. Eden's art work is only decent except for the cyborgs, they look great.
Akira has phenomenal art.
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CashMoney said:
ichii_1 said:

A jojo fan shouldn't be talking about bland designs :(

Kubo's fashion sense is impeccable

JoJo art shits on Bleach's


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What´s the point of an Art discussion?

I mean it is as pointless as crossover battle discussions, there are people out there who consider Naruto or One piece Characters to be capable of taking on the DBZ cast.

There is no point in discussing art since it boils down to my dad is stronger than your dads arguments.

Some people consider feces, puke or animal flesh pinned down to a wall art, no point in comparing the artstyles.
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because the Shonen thread isn't the Shonen thread without a daily dose of wank
Feb 20, 2015 3:38 PM

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Isterio said:

I mean it is as pointless as crossover battle discussions, there are people out there who consider Naruto or One piece Characters to be capable of taking on the DBZ cast.
Guys like that are just trolling. I actually encountered a guy on one of those shonen sites that said Madara could beat Goku by using a perfect Izanagi to become a saiyan and turn Goku human.
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1) Who's the best written Espada? And why?

2) Who's the best written Akatsuki and why?


3) Who's best written out of 1) and 2) ?
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Mikasa said:
1) Who's the best written Espada? And why?

2) Who's the best written Akatsuki and why?


3) Who's best written out of 1) and 2) ?

1. Ulquiorra


2.Tough one... Konan I just found her pretty interesting and not as cringe worthy as some of the others.Forgot about Itachi. Definitely Itachi loved his backstory and just his character in general.

3. Definitely 1.2.
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1) Who's the best written Espada? And why?


Best Espada would probably be Grimjoww, though that is very faint praise. Not sure about the Akatsuki tho. I guess Nagato? The Espada were way more forgettable as a whole then the Akatsuki so I'd hand it to them
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Mikasa said:
1) Who's the best written Espada? And why?

2) Who's the best written Akatsuki and why?


3) Who's best written out of 1) and 2) ?
Espada - Starrk
Akatsuki - Itachi

Starrk is the most unorthodox espada of the group. Seeking companionship instead of power or domination. Itachi's backstory which includes his motives to me makes him the best written Akatsuki.

I guess Itachi is.
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The scene opens on a flashback to Namek, as Goku delivers his “I am the Super Saiyan” speech. Mecha Freeza winces in indignation and disgust. The scene changes to Trunks, who declares that Freeza has made a miscalculation… because there is another Super Saiyan standing in front of him. Freeza mutters “Super Saiyan” to himself, as he recalls being first rent in twain on Namek, then being sliced, diced, and incinerated on Earth.

Mecha Freeza awakens with a start, a look of fear quickly replaced by an expression of annoyance as he finds himself in Hell, in a pod suspended from a tree. All around him, cute critters make an incessant, infernal racket.

The scene shifts to outer space, where on one of Freeza’s ships, Sorbet receives a report that the rebellion by the native inhabitants of Planet 448 is too fierce to contain. He orders reinforcements, but is told that other forces are already occupied with fights on other planets, so only a few can be sent. Cursing through gritted teeth, he orders a retreat.

Sorbet stomps away and plops down into the commanders chair. He activates his scouter, asking if any other planets with Namekian survivors have been found. However, none have, in spite of their many spy cameras. In that case, says Sorbet, they’ll just have to go to Earth, after all. He orders Tagoma, who is standing nearby, to ready a ship for two: the two of them will be going together. Tagoma is surprised that Sorbet himself will be going. “Of course I am,” Sorbet retorts, “because Lord Freeza will be coming back to life!”

On Earth, Gohan and Videl are showing off a baby Pan to Piccolo, when suddenly the sky goes dark; Piccolo immediately surmises that Shenlong has been summoned. Elsewhere, Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu pause their farmwork, and Kuririn stops in the middle of writing up a punk on a motorcycle to wonder if Pilaf & co. are up to something.

Shenlong has indeed been summoned, and before him stand Sorbet, Tagoma, and the Pilaf trio (who are still children). Shenlong tells them to state their desire, for he will grant any wish. Pilaf invites Sorbet to do so, while Mai (under her breath) questions the wisdom of letting them have a wish with the Dragon Balls they worked so hard to collect. Pilaf shoots back that they have no choice, and to keep quiet.

Sorbet shouts for the Dragon to resurrect Lord Freeza, but Shenlong remains silent. Sorbet asks what’s wrong: he can grant any wish, right? The Dragon says that it is indeed possible, but that person’s mortal body was cut into pieces quite a long time ago, and cannot be brought back to life. It would be meaningless for his soul to return to it as-is.

Sorbet is briefly troubled by this news, but Tagoma suggests the recovery chambers currently used by their forces might be able to revive him. His concerns allayed, Sorbet shouts, “Hey! I don’t care if he’s in pieces, just revive him already!” The Dragon is displeased with his high-and-mighty demeanor, but since he has no choice, he does as he is bidden. Shenlong’s eyes glow….

Freeza suddenly vanishes from his pod in Hell… and reappears in chunks, which land before Sorbet. Where am I…? wonders Freeza, as Piccolo and Gohan sense a familiar Ki. Freeza briefly tries to pull himself together, before falling to pieces once more. These are… the senses of a living body… If nothing else, this isn’t Hell. The Pilaf trio recoil at the pieces of Freeza, then go into full-on freakout-mode when one of his eyes looks at them. Sorbet picks up a piece, and sneers. “Just as expected of Lord Freeza… with this life-force and the technology we have now, we can absolutely regenerate him!”

Their ship takes off, leaving Pilaf, Shuu and Mai in the dust. With the pieces of Freeza twitching in some sort of containment vessel in back, Tagoma airs his concerns about bringing back Freeza: he was a dictator, after all. Sorbet scoffs, and says they had no choice: as soon as Lord Freeza and the others were defeated, both the inner and outer ranks of his forces fell into a shambles. They have no choice but to let Freeza reorganize them. Tagoma wonders if he really possesses that sort of ability, prompting a shocked Sorbet to tell him to watch what he says. “That is the evil overlord Freeza! If his regeneration goes well, it will be all right! And besides, there’s no need to go pick an unnecessary fight against that Saiyan. After all, our goal is simply the rebuilding of his forces….” With that, the ship disappears into space.

Back on Earth, Gohan senses the Ki suddenly vanish, and wonders what that was all about. Piccolo has a bad feeling about this….

Off in space, in the confines of his recovery chamber, Freeza is dreaming… reliving a nightmare. I am… the mightiest in the universe…. That’s why… that’s why you have to… die by my hands…!!! Sorbet, Tagoma, and other soldiers are watching over Freeza’s restless slumber. Mine…

In dreams, Freeza relives his last moments on Namek, and his last desperate blast against a Super Saiyan Goku. With a shout of “You fool!!!” Freeza is obliterated once more…

Suddenly, Freeza awakens with a look of rage. The ship trembles, and all scouters break except for Tagoma’s and Sorbet’s. The glass of Freeza’s recovery chamber cracks, then shatters, spraying fluid on those present. Out steps Freeza in his first form, looking thoroughly unamused. He cracks his neck and sighs, surveying the room. Hesitantly, Sorbet addresses him: “W- welcome back, Lord Freeza!” Freeza eyes him. “Hm? And you are…?” Sorbet introduces himself as a former staff officer in the Third Sector. Freeza at last seems to recognize him, saying he does recall having seen him, just a bit. However, he seems amused that Sorbet is leading his forces in his place. But at any rate, he appears to have come back to life…! Sorbet explains that they have done so with a combination of the Dragon Balls and the latest-type recovery chamber; Freeza recognizes these as the mysterious orbs the Namekians had.

Tagoma interjects to say that he also had a hand in reviving Freeza, and Sorbet hastily explains that Tagoma is an excellent warrior, on-par with even the late Zarbon and Dodoria. Freeza congratulates him offhandedly, then points a finger… and kills one of his soldiers with a single energy blast. “My skills really have lapsed a bit,” he grouses, as the others look on in shock. “My revenge might take a bit of time.” Sorbet is taken aback. “R- revenge?”

“Of course,” says Freeza. “After all, I will not be satisfied until I have obliterated those two Super Saiyans who did this to me.” Tagoma protests: “This is merely a suggestion, but wouldn’t it be more prudent to simply ignore them? More importantly, like before…” At this, Freeza fires a second energy blast straight at Tagoma’s chest, sending him flying through the viewport and causing the compartment to rapidly depressurize. A second soldier is sucked into space while another hangs on to the hull for dear life, as Sorbet hastily orders the shields raised.

As the other soldiers recover their bearings and help one of their own back inside, Freeza lectures them about how his forces have become quite weak while he was away. How can they, Freeza’s mighty forces in the universe, do their work while trembling in fear of a paltry few Saiyans? Sorbet tries to warn him off, saying that the Saiyan named Son Goku became even more powerful than that. This, however, amuses Freeza, who claims it was entirely expected: “I merely have to become stronger than he is.” Sorbet goes on to say that he defeated even Majin Buu… though after that, they have no data. “Majin Buu…” muses Freeza, “Papa told me never to lay a hand on only two people: God of Destruction Beerus, and Majin Buu. That Majin Buu, eh?…” Sorbet nervously agrees. Freeza is not happy: “…That is beyond what I had imagined.”

“However,” smirks the overlord, “isn’t it interesting?” Sorbet asks what he means. “Since I was a born genius, I have never done such a thing as a training, nor have I ever had any need.” At this, he ascends into the air. “I wonder what will happen… if I train, and draw out all my latent potential…”

“You mean… you’ll be able to get stronger?” asks Sorbet hesitantly. “Well, of course,” replies Freeza, “according to my predictions, I will…. If I train in earnest for four months… I should be able to snuff out even that Saiyan in the blink of an eye…” Sorbet and the others are astounded: “What… that much stronger…?” Freeza just grins an evil grin.

Toriyama still got it.

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DrGeroCreation said:
Mikasa said:
1) Who's the best written Espada? And why?

2) Who's the best written Akatsuki and why?


3) Who's best written out of 1) and 2) ?
Espada - Starrk
Akatsuki - Itachi

Starrk is the most unorthodox espada of the group. Seeking companionship instead of power or domination. Itachi's backstory which includes his motives to me makes him the best written Akatsuki.

I guess Itachi is.


I seriously think Itachi's so overrated tbh, he's too orthodox as far as black-turn-white villains go. It was a good story, well-executed back then, but 1) god did people make it out to be something it wasn't 2) It was finally ruined by the constant milking it got due to said popularity.



For me it's

1) Nnoitra, Kubo written that warrior mentality into him in a nice way, and I could actually feel respect for him... a cartoon character.

2) Hidan, while not very fleshed out, his personality stood out the most, and was by far the most entertaining. Much unlike his partner.

Between the two, probably Hidan.
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“You mean… you’ll be able to get stronger?” asks Sorbet hesitantly. “Well, of course,” replies Freeza, “according to my predictions, I will…. If I train in earnest for four months… I should be able to snuff out even that Saiyan in the blink of an eye…” Sorbet and the others are astounded: “What… that much stronger…?” Freeza just grins an evil grin.
He only trained for four months? That's how he catches up with the others? They trained for years. This is just ridiculous.
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Mikasa said:
DrGeroCreation said:
Espada - Starrk
Akatsuki - Itachi

Starrk is the most unorthodox espada of the group. Seeking companionship instead of power or domination. Itachi's backstory which includes his motives to me makes him the best written Akatsuki.

I guess Itachi is.


I seriously think Itachi's so overrated tbh, he's too orthodox as far as black-turn-white villains go. It was a good story, well-executed back then, but 1) god did people make it out to be something it wasn't 2) It was finally ruined by the constant milking it got due to said popularity.



For me it's

1) Nnoitra, Kubo written that warrior mentality into him in a nice way, and I could actually feel respect for him... a cartoon character.

2) Hidan, while not very fleshed out, his personality stood out the most, and was by far the most entertaining. Much unlike his partner.

Between the two, probably Hidan.
Itachi to me was never a black to white villain considering he was never really evil. Nnoitra's insecurity did make him interesting. Hidan to me is the worst Akatsuki member. His crazy, heartless personality to me gets old really quick.
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He only trained for four months? That's how he catches up with the others? They trained for years. This is just ridiculous.


Well, Tagoma got killed for bringing common sense to Frieza lol.

Sorber reactions is pretty much how fans think of Frieza able to reach SSJG Goku level in 4 months.

Frieza was born with a power level of 120,000,000 and never trained in his life.

While Goku started with a power level of 10.

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DrGeroCreation said:
Mikasa said:


I seriously think Itachi's so overrated tbh, he's too orthodox as far as black-turn-white villains go. It was a good story, well-executed back then, but 1) god did people make it out to be something it wasn't 2) It was finally ruined by the constant milking it got due to said popularity.



For me it's

1) Nnoitra, Kubo written that warrior mentality into him in a nice way, and I could actually feel respect for him... a cartoon character.

2) Hidan, while not very fleshed out, his personality stood out the most, and was by far the most entertaining. Much unlike his partner.

Between the two, probably Hidan.
Itachi to me was never a black to white villain considering he was never really evil. Nnoitra's insecurity did make him interesting. Hidan to me is the worst Akatsuki member. His crazy, heartless personality to me gets old really quick.



I don´t think any of the Espada was exceptionally written, Szayelaporro Granz was the most interesting one because of his abilitys and the way he was beaten by Mayuri imo.

But I don´t think any of them had the depth Itachi or Nagato had to them knowing their backstory.

Agree on Hidan though, sadly as far as One piece villains go there is no good one either Doflamingo had the potential to become interesting but the resent chapters and the Flashback ruined even him.

Regarding the big 3 Naruto simply has the best villains/ complicated characters.
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Frieza would need some other power up besides unlocking a new transformation through training to match super saiyan God. A year would have seemed more reasonable than 4 months.

Isterio said:
I don´t think any of the Espada was exceptionally written, Szayelaporro Granz was the most interesting one because of his abilitys and the way he was beaten by Mayuri imo.

But I don´t think any of them had the depth Itachi or Nagato had to them knowing their backstory.
Starrk, Ulquiorra and Barragan to me were written well although definitely not on the same level as Itachi and Nagato.
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DrGeroCreation said:
Frieza would need some other power up besides unlocking a new transformation through training to match super saiyan God. A year would have seemed more reasonable than 4 months.

Isterio said:
I don´t think any of the Espada was exceptionally written, Szayelaporro Granz was the most interesting one because of his abilitys and the way he was beaten by Mayuri imo.

But I don´t think any of them had the depth Itachi or Nagato had to them knowing their backstory.
Starrk, Ulquiorra and Barragan to me were written well although definitely not on the same level as Itachi and Nagato.


My problem with Starrk is that he was too much of a good guy, he doesn´t make sense as a villain, also Kubo seems to have forgotten how hollows work.

They devour souls therefore when they get killed by a Shinigami the souls go to "heaven" soul society, so some of the characteristics are taken in when a hollow/soul gets devoured by another one while the main conciousness belongs to the original hollow. It´s a really interesting concept but FMA delivered and explained it more consistent. Instead of randomly forgetting about it.

I mean how does Barragan relate to all that? Was he the first hollow to exist?
How is Stark stronger when Barragan has basicly the most broken haxxed ability only Aizen probably could overcome through own hax.
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They devour souls therefore when they get killed by a Shinigami the souls go to "heaven" soul society, so some of the characteristics are taken in when a hollow/soul gets devoured by another one while the main conciousness belongs to the original hollow. It´s a really interesting concept but FMA delivered and explained it more consistent. Instead of randomly forgetting about it.

I mean how does Barragan relate to all that? Was he the first hollow to exist?
How is Stark stronger when Barragan has basicly the most broken haxxed ability only Aizen probably could overcome through own hax.
Kubo never forgot about that. Barragan was just a really powerful adjuchas. Aizen only took reiatsu into account. Starrk has a way higher reiatsu than Barrgan that's whyhe can effortlessly spam ceros like nothing and when he and Lilynette were one all hollows died from the sheer power of their reiatsu. I also believe Starrk is a naturally evolved vasto lorde.
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DrGeroCreation said:
Frieza would need some other power up besides unlocking a new transformation through training to match super saiyan God. A year would have seemed more reasonable than 4 months.



Its gonna depend what kind of training Frieza will do, on chapter 2 we should get flashback of the kind of training Frieza did.

I wouldnt be surprised if Frieza soldiers also become stronger, either they train along with Frieza OR they might get some haxx technology weapons.

Planet Frieza is supposed to have the most advanced technology in the universe.

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DrGeroCreation said:
Frieza would need some other power up besides unlocking a new transformation through training to match super saiyan God. A year would have seemed more reasonable than 4 months.



Its gonna depend what kind of training Frieza will do, on chapter 2 we should get flashback of the kind of training Frieza did.

I wouldnt be surprised if Frieza soldiers also become stronger, either they train along with Frieza OR they might get some haxx technology weapons.

Planet Frieza is supposed to have the most advanced technology in the universe.
Training to unlock full potential power like what happened for Gohan in Buu saga might put him on or above super saiyan 3 level but not SSJgod level. I think he might need some kind of magical or technological power up to match SSJ God. I do agree though that his soldiers will likely get power ups. I always thought Dr. Gero had the most advanced technology in the universe.
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All I know is: Freeza bout to come thru with his squad, his daddy's squad, and all sorts of other aliens goons he's allied with, he's gonna job everybody (except Goku) and remind fans worldwide why he's the best villain in Z #YouCantCheeseTheFreeze
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DrGeroCreation said:
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They devour souls therefore when they get killed by a Shinigami the souls go to "heaven" soul society, so some of the characteristics are taken in when a hollow/soul gets devoured by another one while the main conciousness belongs to the original hollow. It´s a really interesting concept but FMA delivered and explained it more consistent. Instead of randomly forgetting about it.

I mean how does Barragan relate to all that? Was he the first hollow to exist?
How is Stark stronger when Barragan has basicly the most broken haxxed ability only Aizen probably could overcome through own hax.
Kubo never forgot about that. Barragan was just a really powerful adjuchas. Aizen only took reiatsu into account. Starrk has a way higher reiatsu than Barrgan that's whyhe can effortlessly spam ceros like nothing and when he and Lilynette were one all hollows died from the sheer power of their reiatsu. I also believe Starrk is a naturally evolved vasto lorde.


They all were naturally evolved vasto lorde, or maybe not? That´s the problem it´s not well explained.

People complain about Kishis plotholes but Kubos are like wtf.

I remember in the Grimmjow flashback it was explained that he´ll be the only one capable of reaching Vasto Lorde status. Therefore he devoured his companions so that they can become a part of him.

Barragan was king of the hollows. He ruled hueco mundo like he pleased.

Regarding the top 3 there should be no doubt that they were Vasto Lorde level before Aizen arived to my knowledge all espada were Vasto lorde level when transformed besides the number 9 who was Gilian level.


What else was kinda random was how Ulqiorra was upgraded all of sudden with his second release just so that Ichigo has to fight the technically strongest guy.

And all of sudden Kenpachi and Byakuya who only dick around with Yammi have to fight the strongest guy?

I mean Kenpachis powerlevel was well explained it made sense.

But the Espada powerlevels are all over the place.

Noiltorra was also obnoxious with his bragging about being the strongest when he doesn´t even dare to fight Starrk or Barragan or ffs Hallibel.

Let´s excuse Barragan go fight Starrk if you´re the strongest or Ulquiorra.
You are number 5 bitch even if you fight the "technically" strongest captain.

Yammis and Ulquioras second release left a sour taste in my mouth after a nearly perfect arc.
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^the espada were done in by there personalities.
http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=31135654&postcount=1

The powerlevels are fine, yammi didn't do a 2nd release he just got angry and bigger and kenpachi probably used two hands.
The 2nd release is like the espada's bankai, it fits.
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Isterio said:
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Kubo never forgot about that. Barragan was just a really powerful adjuchas. Aizen only took reiatsu into account. Starrk has a way higher reiatsu than Barrgan that's whyhe can effortlessly spam ceros like nothing and when he and Lilynette were one all hollows died from the sheer power of their reiatsu. I also believe Starrk is a naturally evolved vasto lorde.


They all were naturally evolved vasto lorde, or maybe not? That´s the problem it´s not well explained.

People complain about Kishis plotholes but Kubos are like wtf.

I remember in the Grimmjow flashback it was explained that he´ll be the only one capable of reaching Vasto Lorde status. Therefore he devoured his companions so that they can become a part of him.

Barragan was king of the hollows. He ruled hueco mundo like he pleased.

Regarding the top 3 there should be no doubt that they were Vasto Lorde level before Aizen arived to my knowledge all espada were Vasto lorde level when transformed besides the number 9 who was Gilian level.


What else was kinda random was how Ulqiorra was upgraded all of sudden with his second release just so that Ichigo has to fight the technically strongest guy.

And all of sudden Kenpachi and Byakuya who only dick around with Yammi have to fight the strongest guy?

I mean Kenpachis powerlevel was well explained it made sense.

But the Espada powerlevels are all over the place.

Noiltorra was also obnoxious with his bragging about being the strongest when he doesn´t even dare to fight Starrk or Barragan or ffs Hallibel.

Let´s excuse Barragan go fight Starrk if you´re the strongest or Ulquiorra.
You are number 5 bitch even if you fight the "technically" strongest captain.

Yammis and Ulquioras second release left a sour taste in my mouth after a nearly perfect arc.
Only the top 4 were Vasto Lordes according to Kubo. Starrk is obviously a naturally evolved Vasto Lorde considering when Aizen first met him he looked exactly like he normally does. The fact that he is the only espada where hollows would just die from being in his presence is also proof. On the other hand when Aizen met Barragan he looked like how he does in his released form and he couldn't even use respira so it's obvious Aizen used the hogyoku on him to evolve him. Ulquiorra hid his second release from Aizen but I personally believe Aizen knew about it that's why he left Ulquiorra to fight Ichigo. Both Nnoitra and Yammy were full of hot air (especially Yammy). There is no way Yammy could have been the strongest espada, he just claimed he was. The top 3 espadas and Ulquiorra could easily mop the floor with him.
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Is this true or BS?
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All I know is: Freeza bout to come thru with his squad, his daddy's squad, and all sorts of other aliens goons he's allied with, he's gonna job everybody (except Goku) and remind fans worldwide why he's the best villain in Z #YouCantCheeseTheFreeze
I hope to see Frieza deliver another magnificent Vegeta beat down.
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I hope frieza doesn't die and actually kills someone for good, but that's impossible :(
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Itachi to me was never a black to white villain considering he was never really evil. Nnoitra's insecurity did make him interesting. Hidan to me is the worst Akatsuki member. His crazy, heartless personality to me gets old really quick.


Agreed. Hidan was also my least favourite as I didn't like his personality or his ability. Best Akatsuki would be Pain then Itachi and Kisame for unit. I also disliked Deidara and Konan did very little to stand out.
In terms of design, motivation, stand out moments and personality, Pain was just the boss. History with Konoha also made the conflict with Jiraiya then the rest of the village great to watch.

For Espada, Ulquiorra and Barragan in terms of design and ability. Ulquiorra is easily the most memorable because of his role. He was also interesting to watch in his dynamic with Grimmjow and personal conflict with Ichigo (things are almost always interesting when they get personal). His defeat was also one of the most memorable moments, and there's also the arbitrary reason of green being my favourite colour. Least favourite would be Yammi. Such a waste of space that guy was.

Might as well throw Shichibukai into the mix. Favourite would still be Sir Crocodile, but Doflamingo is getting up there as well. I don't like to count Blackbeard because his stint as one was very short.
Crocodile is again great in design and ability. His role was also great as the first major antagonist of the Grandline and the hugest stumbling block to the MCs. Also nice that the conflict became personal again and my favourite finish to a battle in all of anime thus far (dat Dvorak tho.)
Least favourite would be Moria, but surprisingly in retrospect, he still did much more than the other least favourites and stayed more memorable.
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One Piece dub getting better and better, they're almost near the end of TB

OT: Doflamingo is my favorite atm and one of the reasons I'm enjoying the Dressrosa arc so much. It helps that his crew is also very memorable and have some fun interactions, really hope the anime does the flashback arc justice.
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Can't we count Orochimaru as an Akatsuki member? If so, my vote goes for him...or Itachi
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One Piece dub getting better and better, they're almost near the end of TB

OT: Doflamingo is my favorite atm and one of the reasons I'm enjoying the Dressrosa arc so much. It helps that his crew is also very memorable and have some fun interactions, really hope the anime does the flashback arc justice.


That was actually.......pretty good.

Agree about the Deck of Cards Doflamingo family. Pretty much all of them have had a memorable moment at this point. The Senor, Lao "G" who puts the "G" in Doflamin"G"o and Trebol are my favourites so far. You can't find such crazy characters anywhere else.
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Can't we count Orochimaru as an Akatsuki member? If so, my vote goes for him...or Itachi


I always like to think of him as an entity to himself (like Blackbeard). He's still my favourite villain of the series.
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archerzee said:
Can't we count Orochimaru as an Akatsuki member? If so, my vote goes for him...or Itachi


Orochimaru was "the villain" he was truly evil and has nothing good to him, he´s the Frieza of Naruto.

But still not the best character wise.

Good thing that he´ll have a role in the upcoming miniseries and if the bolt Movie is canon like "The Last" we may even see him being the final villain of the Narutoverse.

It makes no sense otherwise considering his goals and his neccecity of switching bodies to survive, he has to stay a villain because regarding the timeskip he has to have switched bodies at least 3 more times.

With the introduction of Kaguya we got an immortal being in the Narutoverse all he strifed for.

Good premise would be that Orochimaru tries to molest the childrren to somehow reproduce Kaguya and gets finished for good by Naruto/Sasuke who should be able to mop the floor with him.
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archerzee said:
Can't we count Orochimaru as an Akatsuki member? If so, my vote goes for him...or Itachi


I always like to think of him as an entity to himself (like Blackbeard). He's still my favourite villain of the series.


That's true, it's sad that we never got to see a real conclusion for him. I agree with the Blackbeard part, he'll probably become the best villain in OP.

Isterio said:
archerzee said:
Can't we count Orochimaru as an Akatsuki member? If so, my vote goes for him...or Itachi


Orochimaru was "the villain" he was truly evil and has nothing good to him, he´s the Frieza of Naruto.

But still not the best character wise.

Good thing that he´ll have a role in the upcoming miniseries and if the bolt Movie is canon like "The Last" we may even see him being the final villain of the Narutoverse.

It makes no sense otherwise considering his goals and his neccecity of switching bodies to survive, he has to stay a villain because regarding the timeskip he has to have switched bodies at least 3 more times.

With the introduction of Kaguya we got an immortal being in the Narutoverse all he strifed for.

Good premise would be that Orochimaru tries to molest the childrren to somehow reproduce Kaguya and gets finished for good by Naruto/Sasuke who should be able to mop the floor with him.


Orochimaru was well written, he was always questioning and challenging rules and code of conduct with his twisted concept of rationality. I really don't see similarities with him and Frieza; he just wanted to destroy, his connection with Beerus confirmed this.

Bolt movie?! Never knew about this, I haven't even watched 'The Last' yet, I hope it is, it would be absurd to leave an open ending regarding Orochimaru.
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My favorite espada is GrimmJow (that character design + style of fighting + Swuabe <3) was going to read the manga, since there were rumors he will appear again.

Best Akatsuki member and best antagonist of the series is Pain. Not even close for me.
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My favorite espada is GrimmJow (that character design + style of fighting + Swuabe <3) was going to read the manga, since there were rumors he will appear again.

Best Akatsuki member and best antagonist of the series is Pain. Not even close for me.


I think Madara comes close to Pain nevertheless he´s the best one.

As for Orochimaru he´s nothing more than the stereotypical mad scientist antagonist with his own can of color.

Which isn´t degrading but an evil villain that´s quite common while the concept of Pain was perfect.
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Mikasa said:


I seriously think Itachi's so overrated tbh, he's too orthodox as far as black-turn-white villains go. It was a good story, well-executed back then, but 1) god did people make it out to be something it wasn't 2) It was finally ruined by the constant milking it got due to said popularity.



For me it's

1) Nnoitra, Kubo written that warrior mentality into him in a nice way, and I could actually feel respect for him... a cartoon character.

2) Hidan, while not very fleshed out, his personality stood out the most, and was by far the most entertaining. Much unlike his partner.

Between the two, probably Hidan.
Itachi to me was never a black to white villain considering he was never really evil. Nnoitra's insecurity did make him interesting. Hidan to me is the worst Akatsuki member. His crazy, heartless personality to me gets old really quick.


I'm talking about representation. He was the "villain" who gets shown to be a goody in the end, regardless of how predictable it was.

Thing about Hidan is that he was the only Akatsuki... or Naruto villain really, to not get milked into being a ruined character, everyone else left a terrible impression in the end. Even my ex-favorite villain Zabuza had to be revived for some more BS Naruto praise.


And his arc ended long before his personality got old, so he will always be remembered as crazy, in a good way.


I also don't see why Starrk was so special though, the guy just got killed off it seemed. Same with Barragan.
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The best Akatsuki for me is of course Kisame. Nothing can top how awesome he died. He is also too awesome for Kabuto to revived by Edo Tensei.

For Espada I'll go with Barragan. It's all because of his ego.

As for Shichibukai my choice is Kuma even though he isn't really "villain".

Might as well add Mard Geer Tartaros from FT.
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Nobody asked about Shichibukai dude, they sucked. Like all of them.
They're not even a group anyway.

Other groups in OP are highly imbalanced and very gradual, from Boss, to 2nd man to 3rd, and so on. BW literally were called by that system.
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Can we just take a moment and talk about how shitty the character design for Digimon Adventure 03 is? Im so upset. The person who came up with that deserves to get smashed in the face with a brick. Way to ruin my childhood.

As for the DBZ movie, I feel like it will suck like the previous one. Way to ruin my childhood :/
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Battles of Gods is the best DBZ movie solely because it doesn't feel like a 13 year old's fanfiction brought to life
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