Accel World (light novel)
| The fact the main male character is this fat disgusting silly slob and the girls he is around are cute really pisses me off to the point where I refuse to watch the anime. It makes me sicks. SICK I SAID! |
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-Miyu- said: Z-flame said: Just a few scenes, if I'm not mistaken, but still QQ-Miyu- said: How many scenes or episodes does he appear like that?Z-flame said: Meant literally a pig-Miyu- said: then you have a problem with Naruto, One Piece, Dragon Ball Z, Gintama and all other shows with a protagonist that eats a lot.I have a problem with the protagonist being a pig. It was kinda annoying to watch the specials and the ova.. where he was the pig and everyone else just a bit more normal looking. |
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| I dont find anything wrong with the MC. Or more that he is more interesting that those boring cliche MCs. Seriously go back to SAO and fap to Kirito then. |
kaimax said: So, what's the problem? There's been some post discriminating about his size, like : MC is kinda short and fat wtf i understand the main character having to be weak and stuff but why does he have to be a pig and look like a retarded muffin in real life The real question is WHY NOT? And it's not like his real appearance "affects" his performance in the Virtual World. At least he's not the perverted type. I disagree with this. The whole issue is the reasoning behind choosing such an MC knowing full well the negative social stigma attached to being physically unattractive. After watching the entire anime, I still don't feel that this is in any way justified. On top of driving away many potential viewers with the choice of such an un-attractive MC, his personality works out to suffer from severe inferiority complex and sheer wussiness. The moment in the first episode that he knocked the girl's basket of sandwiches onto the floor and just ran off like a fat f*cker, I really felt like stopping right away. It is clear that the guy has issues. So did the writer intend for the audience to sympathize with him? Well sorry, I'm sure the audience has plenty of their own problems, so that's not going to work. Well then, is it for similar people irl to be able to relate to the MC? Maybe, but my faith in humanity asserts that there's going to be many more people who gets a feeling of repulsion rather than relation. TL;DR: Choice of MC's appearance and personality drives away viewers, no good reason for such a choice surfaces even at the conclusion of the entire anime. |
| There's two kinds of people you can't win an argument against: One - Too dumb to tell right from wrong. Two - Too stubborn to admit they are wrong. |
| His character design is what has kept me from watching this show. I like to look at good looking characters. I won't pretend to blame it on something else. I'm shallow. |
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kaimax said: People tend to want put themselves in the position of the MC, most people do not want to be a fat and short person.So, what's the problem? There's been some post discriminating about his size, like : MC is kinda short and fat wtf i understand the main character having to be weak and stuff but why does he have to be a pig and look like a retarded muffin in real life The real question is WHY NOT? And it's not like his real appearance "affects" his performance in the Virtual World. At least he's not the perverted type. |
| Try to defeat me but try in vain. When I win I end your pain. |
Red_Keys said: Same here.His character design is what has kept me from watching this show. I like to look at good looking characters. I won't pretend to blame it on something else. I'm shallow. |
| Try to defeat me but try in vain. When I win I end your pain. |
kuity said: kaimax said: So, what's the problem? There's been some post discriminating about his size, like : MC is kinda short and fat wtf i understand the main character having to be weak and stuff but why does he have to be a pig and look like a retarded muffin in real life The real question is WHY NOT? And it's not like his real appearance "affects" his performance in the Virtual World. At least he's not the perverted type. I disagree with this. The whole issue is the reasoning behind choosing such an MC knowing full well the negative social stigma attached to being physically unattractive. After watching the entire anime, I still don't feel that this is in any way justified. On top of driving away many potential viewers with the choice of such an un-attractive MC, his personality works out to suffer from severe inferiority complex and sheer wussiness. The moment in the first episode that he knocked the girl's basket of sandwiches onto the floor and just ran off like a fat f*cker, I really felt like stopping right away. It is clear that the guy has issues. So did the writer intend for the audience to sympathize with him? Well sorry, I'm sure the audience has plenty of their own problems, so that's not going to work. Well then, is it for similar people irl to be able to relate to the MC? Maybe, but my faith in humanity asserts that there's going to be many more people who gets a feeling of repulsion rather than relation. TL;DR: Choice of MC's appearance and personality drives away viewers, no good reason for such a choice surfaces even at the conclusion of the entire anime. Other than to show how the game itself turns emotional scars into strengths. Haru's unique emotional scars make him the first ever Duel Avatar to gain true flight. Sky Raker can also fly, but only through her Enhanced Armament, and is thus not true flight. So does anyone here really expect Haru to become super-confident badass in only 3 seconds after suffering long years of being bullied? You know what sucks about being bullied? YOU CAN'T TRUST YOUR FRIENDS (He probably thought Chiyu would HURT him when he threw that basket of food! That's how badly hurt he is.), YOU CAN'T EVEN TRUST YOURSELF! No one who has endured bullying since six years old can ever become super-confident badasses in a single second even with the best support system possible. Recovery from bullying takes a lot of time, it could even take YEARS before a bullied person fully recovers from it. If we have an MC like Taku, he would have a boring but overpowered Duel Avatar, he would receive little to no character development (other than perhaps being able to keep Chiyu), the plot goes too fast, and the Six Kings are killed too quickly. AND the fans would keep asking for more MC action. Vicious cycle. So Haru haters out there, if you're that shallow, please go back to SAO and fap to your ultimate badass god of MC's Kirito then. |
 Well, if Haru was supposed to be taller than the girls and only a bit shorter than Taku like his original LN design, he could have been more tolerable, huh? But then, since Japan is known for obsession with cuteness... TPAM said Kirito is generic and yet people preach like he's the Jesus of 2010's anime and that all future MC's should be patterned after him. |
ninjaluc79Jan 7, 2013 6:34 PM
ninjaluc79 said: Well, if Haru was supposed to be taller than the girls and only a bit shorter than Taku like his original LN design, he could have been more tolerable, huh? But then, since Japan is known for obsession with cuteness... TPAM said Kirito is generic and yet people preach like he's the Jesus of 2010's anime and that all future MC's should be patterned after him. At first I was put off, but honestly, with 12 episodes in, I've become used to his appearance. I think it's slightly ridiculous that they actually made him look like a chibi in a normal series, but as you said, I guess it's cute, but it's definitely not what people should not watch the show from. He's definitely a better character than Kirito, nor not nearly as annoying as Taku from Chaos;Head. I think they should've made Haru look more normal, kept him as short and fat, but gave him a normal appearance. I don't want to say I tolerate his looks, because really, it was his personality that was originally bugging me - the appearance of a cutesy pig just And yeah, Kirito is extremely generic - his personality is bland, his appearance is tedious in both games and I don't see any appeal in him. Nothing from Kirito gives a special outlook, IMO. People seem to like characters being extremely over-powered, I guess? I honestly don't see why and found his attitude continually annoying. I feel as if the author actually cared for the characters in Accel World, kind of thing. Haru is indeed underrated, but given his bad start, I can understand why people dislike him cooped with the directors/designers stylistic choices, on the other hand, he actually grows steadily and not so suddenly like Takumi (C;H) and Shuu (GC). I hope my post didn't seem rude, off-putting or semi-aggressive since I get the feeling it was from the meme. If so, I apologize, since a lot of people get that feeling from me. I wasn't trying to be rude. |
| If you guys agree that you are shallow, then it's okay... I don't mind that you can't self-insert yourself. |
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| Honestly his height proportions aren't even all that silly like most people say, while i wasn't as fat as him while i was his age(i always have and always will be a featherweight) i was just as short with every one else in the school towering over me, so i felt an extra connection to his character because of this. |
WarpedPerception said: Honestly his height proportions aren't even all that silly like most people say, while i wasn't as fat as him while i was his age(i always have and always will be a featherweight) i was just as short with every one else in the school towering over me, so i felt an extra connection to his character because of this. I actually thought you looked exactly like Haru, but I think you should be close enough proof that his weird figure actually exists IRL. I had a schoolmate from 10 years ago who looks just like Haru, but he's in a gang unlike Haru. I don't know how he looks today so... |
Red_Keys said: His character design is what has kept me from watching this show. I like to look at good looking characters. I won't pretend to blame it on something else. I'm shallow. Well, at least you can admit it, unlike some other people. I respect that. Personally, I don't care about character designs or even looks to an extent. I watched Accel World b/c someone recommended it to me. I thought Haru was fine, no problems with his weight, but after reading the LN I do think he is a bit too short. I couldn't care less though. It is what it is, no use complaining about it. I do admit that it was Kuroyukihime that caught my attention and drew me in -_^ |
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| It's not because the MC is fat it's because how fucking ridiculous he looks like compared to his friends |
| I don't hawe problem with him being fat, i was fat when i was younger but i don't like his avatar being pig and i don't get it why would somevone want his avatar to be pig?Still Accel world is one of my three favorite animes. |
The real world is past the virtual world is future. |
wukp said: I don't hawe problem with him being fat, i was fat when i was younger but i don't like his avatar being pig and i don't get it why would somevone want his avatar to be pig?Still Accel world is one of my three favorite animes. He was bullied by the guy with the red hair on Ep 1 into using that avatar. This is in the LN only, but that's the reason why his avatar is a pig |
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KaitoDash said: I have no problem with his looks, I actually think that this kind of character design is unique in a good way. But damn he really is pathetic. Characteristics, I mean. second this srsly, his inferior complex habit was too much annoying |
setsuna91 said: KaitoDash said: I have no problem with his looks, I actually think that this kind of character design is unique in a good way. But damn he really is pathetic. Characteristics, I mean. second this srsly, his inferior complex habit was too much annoying And you guys don't get it because you haven't been bullied all your life. Being bullied sucks. Once bullied, you find it hard to believe in yourself and others. And what sucks even more, it doesn't take THREE FREAKING SECONDS FLAT to recover from bullying and become super-confident all of a sudden. It takes a whole lot of time, and it varies from person to person. It takes months or even years. |
ninjaluc79 said: setsuna91 said: KaitoDash said: I have no problem with his looks, I actually think that this kind of character design is unique in a good way. But damn he really is pathetic. Characteristics, I mean. second this srsly, his inferior complex habit was too much annoying And you guys don't get it because you haven't been bullied all your life. Being bullied sucks. Once bullied, you find it hard to believe in yourself and others. And what sucks even more, it doesn't take THREE FREAKING SECONDS FLAT to recover from bullying and become super-confident all of a sudden. It takes a whole lot of time, and it varies from person to person. It takes months or even years. I second ninjaluc79's comment |
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| It's not that he's short or fat, it's just that he looks a bit out of place. Unless all of the other characters are giants, he doesn't even look 4'4 half the time. Unlike many, his appearance is actually what encouraged me to watch the show. I don't think I've ever seen another protagonist quite like him. What I truly don't understand though is why people are raging over him having an inferiority complex.You guys talk about how the character should be realistic looking yet he shouldn't have a problem that plenty of people face irl? Shinji(Evangelion) and Simon(Guren Lagann) both had one as well. Now I'm only on the 4th episode so far so it could get worse but right now he doesn't seem that bad. |
gettogaaraJan 12, 2013 11:14 PM
| i agree 100% with AuronPond. and i wouldn't compare him with simon , yes simon started with being a wimp and having a inferiority complex but he was a kid who lost his parents and in the end he became confident and overcame kamina death so i don't see why haru can't become at the very least normal ( not crying at everthing , etc..) i mean all good things are happening to him , i don't see why we have to suffer from his selfhate from the start to the end of the first season. |
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| Because it's hard to empathize with the anime. My enjoyment in anime chiefly derives from the thoughts of "Wow, what if that happened to me; what would it be like living in this anime universe?". But then when the protagonist is short and fat like, I simply cannot visualize myself in his position. So I can't enjoy the anime. :| |
tsudecimo said: i agree 100% with AuronPond. and i wouldn't compare him with simon , yes simon started with being a wimp and having a inferiority complex but he was a kid who lost his parents and in the end he became confident and overcame kamina death so i don't see why haru can't become at the very least normal ( not crying at everthing , etc..) i mean all good things are happening to him , i don't see why we have to suffer from his selfhate from the start to the end of the first season. Well like I said, only on the 4th episode so I was sort of expecting him to change gradually and end up a more stable person. If he stays like this all the way through.....then I could see how that would get annoying. Physiicx said: Because it's hard to empathize with the anime. My enjoyment in anime chiefly derives from the thoughts of "Wow, what if that happened to me; what would it be like living in this anime universe?". But then when the protagonist is short and fat like, I simply cannot visualize myself in his position. So I can't enjoy the anime. :| I also like to place myself in the world of the anime I'm watching from time to time. However, I don't really need the protagonist to look or act anything like me to do so. Looking at your favorite characters, they're all female. Can you visualize yourself in their positions? If the answer is yes then you shouldn't have a problem with a male character of any shape lol. Z-flame said: There's a difference between someone that gets bullied a few times vs someone that gets constantly bullied all their life. Also Accel World is an adaptation. If I recall TTGL wasn't one, or am I wrong? Nah you're right. Gurren Lagann's manga and LN's came later. |
| My favorite characters are girls; I empathize with the guys being with them. When I picture myself in an anime, I am in the guy's shoes and therefore my eyes are on the girl. That's why the girls are my favorite characters. |
Physiicx said: My favorite characters are girls; I empathize with the guys being with them. When I picture myself in an anime, I am in the guy's shoes and therefore my eyes are on the girl. That's why the girls are my favorite characters. Ah, see I tend to do it differently. Instead of filling in a character's shoes, I imagine how things would be if I myself was added into that world and how my presence would affect it along with the characters in it. However in your case I could understand that not having any of these kind of problems might make the show more annoying than enjoyable. But if you don't watch any show where you're unable to empathize with the protagonist, you'll end up limiting yourself quite a bit. I mean, I can't empathize with Luffy at all but I still have a ton of fun watching OP. |
Z-flame said: There's a difference between someone that gets bullied a few times vs someone that gets constantly bullied all their life. This one. AuronPond said: Depending on your character, you can change almost immediately after being bullied. I, for one, led a rather cocky high school life, even in my freshman year where I was heavily picked on. Once that stopped, I almost immediately became confident in everything I did. Not everyone has the same character. Just because you immediately adjusted from like one year of bullying doesn't mean you should expect Haru to immediately become super-confident after being bullied from since the FREAKING FIRST GRADE because of his figure. |
ninjaluc79Jan 15, 2013 7:25 AM
TheUnknownOne said: tsudecimo said: i agree 100% with AuronPond. and i wouldn't compare him with simon , yes simon started with being a wimp and having a inferiority complex but he was a kid who lost his parents and in the end he became confident and overcame kamina death so i don't see why haru can't become at the very least normal ( not crying at everthing , etc..) i mean all good things are happening to him , i don't see why we have to suffer from his selfhate from the start to the end of the first season. For the love of god please don't mislead people. If Haru stayed the same he was in the first 4-5 episodes, I would've been very cross. That's NOT the case. Haru grows just like Simon does. At least Haru isn't trying to copy anyone, he's becoming his own character and he DOES change into a better person. im not misleading people haru didn't really develop or change that much other than the final ep he is still the same ( i hate myself and i don't deserve anything good to happen to me persona) and don't really compare him to simon , wherether he was copying or not he showed huge charcter development being the most confident person in the show the hero or w/e . ninjaluc79 said: Not everyone has the same character. Just because you immediately adjusted from like one year of bullying doesn't mean you should expect Haru to immediately become super-confident after being bullied from since the FREAKING FIRST GRADE because of his figure. Stop repeating yourself we get it , but no one really want haru to become super-confident or super badass , just being normal with no self-loathing and no crying over trivial stuff is enough. |
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tsudecimo said: im not misleading people haru didn't really develop or change that much other than the final ep he is still the same ( i hate myself and i don't deserve anything good to happen to me persona) and don't really compare him to simon , wherether he was copying or not he showed huge charcter development being the most confident person in the show the hero or w/e . I understand your frustration but Accel World is a multiple seasons show. According to the LN materials released so far, Accel World may have up to three or four seasons altogether. Therefore, comparing Haru character development to Simon in Gurren Lagann, which has only one season is like comparing apples to oranges. Not only that, but the time it took for Simon to "grow up" is several years, whereas Haru only has a semester, top. The more appropriate comparison would be Haru vs. Yuuji Sakai from SnS. In that series, Yuuji did not become bad-ass until mid S2. So I would say Haru's development is a norm, not worse than Shiji, and a lot better than Shu (who never seems to grow up) tsudecimo said: self we get it , but no one really want haru to become super-confident or super badass , just being normal with no self-loathing and no crying over trivial stuff is enough. If that is your wish, then you better wait for S2 then :) |
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| He did return to his usual "bullied" self for a while, but with Taku's help and his determination to do things without relying on KYH he was able to pick himself up together and give Noumi a good fight. Of course, KYH came to save the day with Chiyu's help, but you can't deny that at least he tried to dispatch Noumi without KYH. |
| Oh, shucks, I don't want to repeat myself again. Do you guys seriously expect Haru to become self-confident right away after basically living a whole life made of suck and years of bullying? True, people have recovered from bullying, but it's not right away, it's not like within a span of seconds, minutes, or hours. It took them weeks, months, and even years. |
ninjaluc79Jan 21, 2013 7:45 AM
| It also depends on each person. But it's mostly in a big spans of time. I think these people don't know too much about real life or psychology. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| he's so chibi, love him |
| sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
| Because something different/new is retarded. It's an unspoken law in the animeverse that main protagonists are suppose to be slightly-above-average in good looks, while main antagonists are suppose to be sexy as fuck and/or ugly. Support/minor/background characters is anything goes. How else are non-spectacular people irl suppose to feel good about themselves? People hating on Haruyuki are nothing but scum |
GhostonyApr 18, 2013 4:26 PM
| sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
| If we were to see a real life equivalent to him, he would be unhealthy and obese. It's one thing to encourage being happy with who you are, but it's another to encourage a clearly unhealthy lifestyle. By having a main character that's obviously not healthy, it encourages the audience that that sort of lifestyle is acceptable, when it's not. Being at an unhealthy weight (over or under-weight) is bad. I'm not saying every fucking character has to be the epitome of human beauty, but it wouldn't have killed the creators to make a character who's at least healthy looking. |
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