Chainsaw Man Movie: Reze-hen Episode 1 Discussion

flashy fights ≠ great fights

you can't even see most of the fights happening in way it's a form of skip clash, season 1 at least you can see most of the fights

this is a generic battle shounen with budget but a generic one nonetheless

1/10

@Haunt88


Are we running entirely off of vibes at this point?

If it was trying to be generic battle shounen, then it failed miserably by spending half the film on decidedly not-generic-battle-shounen content.

And if it was trying to be generic battle shounen, then it shouldn't have bothered trying to create sympathy or nuance to their relationship. May as well make it a lesson for MC Denji to never fall for women outside of his toxic workplace, like he should just focus on gains-maxxing!!! bro.

It's also funny you should bring up the budget, considering Demon Slayer spent 5 times Chainsaw's budget just to create a comparable film.

It's like you're trying to get us to find more reasons to glaze CSM.

@--Luminous-- LOL are you serious!

Demon slayer has 100000x better animation with clean frames ... you can see what is happening ... every single frame is clear and well drawn

Chainsaw? Pause the movie and you will always find blurry frames with weird effects ... weird angles ... as soon as the fight starts they draw less details ... and guess what? they heavily rely on CGI which is way cheaper than 2D animation

You are one of these people tricked by Mappa's laziness ...

@--Luminous-- LOL are you serious!

Demon slayer has 100000x better animation with clean frames ... you can see what is happening ... every single frame is clear and well drawn

Chainsaw? Pause the movie and you will always find blurry frames with weird effects ... weird angles ... as soon as the fight starts they draw less details ... and guess what? they heavily rely on CGI which is way cheaper than 2D animation

You are one of these people tricked by Mappa's laziness ...

@--Luminous-- LOL are you serious!

Demon slayer has 100000x better animation with clean frames ... you can see what is happening ... every single frame is clear and well drawn

Chainsaw? Pause the movie and you will always find blurry frames with weird effects ... weird angles ... as soon as the fight starts they draw less details ... and guess what? they heavily rely on CGI which is way cheaper than 2D animation

You are one of these people tricked by Mappa's laziness ...

@UaEfAlCoN83 Hyperbole is dead apparently, because you killed it. I am perfectly comfortable letting other people judge and compare the quality of the animation on their own terms, something you seem to have a trouble with as you try to shout down people with wacky claims and underhanded insults for liking something you seem opposed to from the start.

For that matter, I find it weird you're ogling the fidelity of frames instead of the cohesion and effect of animation as a whole, and passing that off as judgment on the latter instead of the former. Personally, I found no unjustified aberrations with the cleanliness of the character models, the backgrounds nor the animation at any point except during moments of fast-paced camera panning transitions that practically demanded a touch of motion blur and in two specific scenes, Denji upper half being blown to bits and falling through the typhoon. The former had wavy lines to convey the heat from the impact zone, the second was to convey the sheer chaos of being blown around by 100+ mph winds via animated squash-and-stretch. Nothing that stands out as offensive to the layman, nor could be considered as the result of animators taking shortcuts on their self-funded passion project.

@UaEfAlCoN83 talking about mappa using CGI while demon slayer had a lot more CGI and demon slayer does not have better animation than the CSM movie

@UaEfAlCoN83 animation isn't judged by pausing scenes and analysing a single frame,also CGI is more expensive than 2d animation

@--Luminous-- LOL are you serious!

Demon slayer has 100000x better animation with clean frames ... you can see what is happening ... every single frame is clear and well drawn

Chainsaw? Pause the movie and you will always find blurry frames with weird effects ... weird angles ... as soon as the fight starts they draw less details ... and guess what? they heavily rely on CGI which is way cheaper than 2D animation

You are one of these people tricked by Mappa's laziness ...

@UaEfAlCoN83 Bro, you’re judging Chainsaw Man with zero understanding of animation. Demon Slayer and CSM use completely different styles.

Demon Slayer is made to look clean and polished every frame.
Chainsaw Man aims for a cinematic, realistic look, motion blur, dynamic camera angles, and hybrid CGI are part of that style, not laziness.

Blurry frames and weird angles are literally intentional film techniques, not mistakes. MAPPA didn’t “trick” anyone you’re just mistaking a different art style for bad animation.

Both shows are 10/10 in their own style. You just don’t know how to read animation.

@GoodBoy0069

No one said mistakes

Ik they are different styles but some styles are cheaper from others

My point was to refute the budget argument that CSM had lower budget but surpassed DS which is very biased and subjective

But when you look objectively techniques and styles used in DS are more expensive because of the required details

Also different styles can still be compared … blurry frames are cheaper

Weird angles makes it hard to follow what is happening

Entertainment is key here … what is the point if I cannot see what’s happening because of “style”

It is like when dragon ball puts lightening effects because characters are move quickly and it is realistic … this is cheap

Many styles portray “speed” and maintain “realistic” animation without the need for cheap techniques

I used to animate my own shitty cartoon years ago and Ik what i am talking about

And similar to how you think i don’t understand animation I also believe you don’t understand it

Great we are stuck

@lalindu

I believe DS has better animation but it is up to you if you don't believe so

and it terms of CGI I am not against it but let's be real mappa used CGI for all character except fights while DS had hand-drawn characters with no CGI

If you are talking about backgrounds and other effects everyone uses CGI

but for CGI to be the main animation method it is generally cheaper from 2D which is a fact ... cheaper doesn't mean bad

I watch CGI shows and I am fine with them ... in fact the cgi that mappa creates is good and I don't mind it at all

I rated S1 6/10 bcs of the plot not the animation ... same for the movie ... I never rate based on animation so my take on animation is not affected by "enjoyment" or "fandom"

@lalindu This is 100% not true

CGI used in anime is way cheaper than 2d animation

if you are talking about Diseny-level CGI then yes it gets expensive but generally CGI requires less effort you create the environment and characters then start moving things while 2d required drawing every single frame

and pausing scenes does count because a detailed frame is more expensive than blurry frame

I did some animation before back in 2007 using Flash and Anime studio ... less details = less effort => cheaper

This is a fact ... and this is why studios now use CGI for mechas, vehicles and for giant characters because it is way cheaper than drawing all these details hundreds and thousands of times ... CGI is also used for backgrounds like in DS they used CGI for the infinity castle and most animes with heavy action use CGI for buildings and stuff because it is cheaper and faster

I talk from experience and knowledge but IK you will keep on arguing bcs this is how fans act on this website

@UaEfAlCoN83 you're delusional if you think the animation in CSM is less effort just because it's not on model when you pause ever time like demon slayer,they have completely different styles

@UaEfAlCoN83 Man, you’re pushing arguments that don’t hold up.
Different styles can be compared, but calling certain techniques “cheap” just because they don’t match your taste isn’t objective at all.

Blurry frames, weird angles, motion effects all of these depend on the artistic direction, not the budget. High-detail doesn’t automatically mean expensive, and dynamic camera work doesn’t automatically mean cheap. Studios choose tools based on what they want the scene to feel like, not because they’re cutting corners.

And bringing up your old animations doesn’t make your point stronger any more than mine does. We’re both clearly stuck in “my style > your style” territory.

Let’s just stop pretending these are factual claims. You dislike CSM’s artistic choices that’s fine. But don’t frame personal preference as objective truth or budget science.

@--Luminous-- You gave me an article but ok

First of all I worked as a designer so I have my own preferences because animation involves designing ... and I used to do some animation starting from Adobe flash to Anime Studio (which I think is now called something else) ... I created my own animation but I wouldn't call myself an animator still I have an experience

Let's talk now about my take

Mappa adds weird effects that I find cheap ... these effects are mostly filters

They also change angles a lot for no reason and in the process they try to animate the character within this mess of "moving camera" so they start drawing characters with minimal and goffy details to deliver the feeling that the character is moving fast but the process of creating such an effect using this method is also cheap because frames don't take much time compared to well drawn frames

for cgi I never minded it ... I watched Ajin and Houseki no kuni; both of them use CGI and I like both animes ... my point was CGI is cheaper and Mappa -- while fights in the movie were hand-drawn --- they still used CGI for normal scenes this mean that you need to design the character once and move it you don't need to draw 24 frames for each second and you don't need to bother with effects like the effect of moving hair in a windy setting because this can be easily done in applications like 3D max and other 3d applications

Yes animation still cost money but that person compared the quality of CSM's movie to DS's movie and claimed that with less budget Mappa surpassed UFOtable which is 100% not true

You are annoyed because someone doesn't agree with you which is sad ... I don't care about your explanation I am saying such effects are cheap compared to other methods that can deliver that sensation

But to sum up if people enjoy this weird animation then sure let them enjoy it but in terms of cost it is not expensive

Did you enjoy the movie? I am glad

Mappa is not paying you so no reason to take things personally

Have a good day

@lalindu I will lend you a tissue after you stop crying no worries I know people like you can’t accept reality and cry over their favorite animes