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| WTF. Only a few scenes for TAKAO? The hell. WHYYYYY??? |
| I broke out laughing when I saw the bear appears on the OP too. 2ch called it Kirikuma (kuma means bear in Japanese) and I find it so appropriate lol. Just damn great episode. The CG is so smooth and natural, and the action so thrillingly animated. In Japanese forums, it is a thumb-up from everyone, and that includes all those who have read the manga. Seems that everyone understands that the requirement from the anime can be different from the manga, and that the show is making the most out of the 1-cour limitation, so all this anime original changes are accepted if this means they make the show entertaining (which it does more than expectation) and gets the pace right. These fans know that if the manga is followed, the story will slow down a lot with several subplot story lines going on simultaneously and it would hard to adapt into a 1-cour anime. Judging from the comments I read here, I think fans in Japan are more understanding about the hard work needed to adapt a manga into a 1-cour anime and thus more ready to accept cuts and changes in return for entertainment and smoothness. As the fans in Japan said, it is rare that an anime that changes so much from its original manga can get things so right, and this is such rare anime. I heard the manga author was consulted on the changes, and this must have definitely helped. |
symbvNov 12, 2013 8:12 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| This episode is simply the best of Arpeggio of Blue Steel. 10/10 I heard that it's a lot different from the manga , but seriously they did it well in this episode , calming and FRIENDSHIP <3 The soundtrack when Haruharu , Makie and Youtarou (xD) were trapped was soothing and I cried a litte , haha. I guess that is SAVIOR OF SONG instrumental version. http://i.imgur.com/KNAxx0j.jpg Anyway , great episode 5/5. |
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| The mental models were really OP even the teddy bear Crabbots were quite nice to see in action I prefer the naval battles more though The crew seems to get 3 new members at the end |
| Great episode i'm grateful i took the time to watch it since i thought it was going to be terrible based on first impressions (without watching it). Who knew Submarines and Warships would be a recipe for a good anime. Find it cute how she calls Haruna: HaruHaru. |
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| LOL!!!! That Teddy Is In Opening Now!!! And now...Makie found out the Truth..And Kirishima really has to learn Human Feelings...and Now She Starts...Makie Lesson 101!!! XD o.O....LOL!!!! TEDDY BEARS RULE!!!! Military's Army Did not Stand A Chance....Got Their Asses Kicked By Stuffed Bear...They Die on Shame!!!! XD...Oaky this is seriously going Emotional Episode And now they really Started to Change this From Manga....oKAY THIS IS FREAKING BIG CHANGES!!!!! What The Hell... This Is Ok...But manga Is Better Why they couldn't just keep following manga story line there was enough material for 12 episodes.. |
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| Youtaro invoked her inner Yoda in this fight. Well done girl! |
| Awesomeness, lots of explosions and cool effects. I wonder if Kirishima will get a human body again in the future. Her kuma form looks adorable, and it was hilarious to see her trying to create a shield but only managed to create a tiny one *that sound effect cracked me up*. I kinda miss seeing her ass though |
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| Worrying thing is to have Haruna and Kirishima join the blue fleet. Hope Gunzou would offload them somewhere, maybe to Maya, but they're heading to Ioto now. Riez said: Ah, this would be from the part in manga where Haruna spent days just to meet Makie again until she finally had enough with getting denied and break in. :Dhttp://i.imgur.com/KNAxx0j.jpg Gengar310 said: Submarine and warships are great, although not exploited so much in anime.i'm grateful i took the time to watch it since i thought it was going to be terrible based on first impressions (without watching it). Who knew Submarines and Warships would be a recipe for a good anime. Probably because usually, ships work with the whole crew, not doing an ace pilot single handedly ownz the whole fleet thing. And understandably big ships don't dodge Macross missile hell, they don't do flashy fast manouvers Yeah… just pesky subs and f#$in depth charges |
nseikaNov 12, 2013 5:52 PM
| So Haruna and Kirishima joined Gunzou's battleship harem? Btw, I want to see Takao and Gunzou meeting asap. |
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Akanezora said: So Haruna and Kirishima joined Gunzou's battleship harem? Btw, I want to see Takao and Gunzou meeting asap. That's the worrying thing. The events are completely different from the manga and they don't join up w/ I-401. If it turns into another generic harem then it would be a massive dip in story quality and an insult to the original work. |
| Anime only viewer here: Absolutely LOVED the last two episodes. And boy, Mental Models sure are powerful, even without their ships. PS: I don't give a crap about how they deviated from the manga, because it's still good. It's better then good, actually. It's great. |
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| Well, that was some impressive drama. I like stuff like that but I can't say it's a good thing for the anime to concentrate on only that aspect and leave out the others. Viewed separately, it's nice, but... it's not really Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio anymore. |
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| Is every single topic going to be 90% people complaining about it not following the manga? Seriously, every single one? |
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DmonHiro said: Is every single topic going to be 90% people complaining about it not following the manga? Seriously, every single one? Yeah. Last I checked this is an ADAPTATION not a side story or AU or anime original. |
DmonHiro said: Is every single topic going to be 90% people complaining about it not following the manga? Seriously, every single one? If you know the original of something and you liked it, then you will allways view the adaption more critically instead of simply enjoying it. I mean, I liked the relationships between humans and mental models the most but... there was much more to Aoki Hagane than that. And I think it's too bad they leave those things out... |
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| Half-and-Half on the complaining Won't argue about the change and still enjoying the anime either way But also there are things that would be interesting to be made like the manga (as in Haruna and Kirishima are only close to Makie, not Gunzou). Anyway... will Maya have her sortie, or she will just wait there on the sea ignored by everyone XD |
| I think so far the most interesting developmen is between Haruna, Kirishima and Makie |
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| I really didn't expect much when I started to watch this series but It has far surpassed what I thought it would be :D Pretty sweet episode, why are they changing stuff from the manga though? o.O Hopefully won't turn into a harem-fest. |
| Teddy Bear Kirishima = best character |
Naoki-Saten said: DmonHiro said: Is every single topic going to be 90% people complaining about it not following the manga? Seriously, every single one? If you know the original of something and you liked it, then you will allways view the adaption more critically instead of simply enjoying it. I mean, I liked the relationships between humans and mental models the most but... there was much more to Aoki Hagane than that. And I think it's too bad they leave those things out... While I agree with you remember they have to appeal to a greater percentage of the masses when creating an anime as opposed to a manga. Or if you've been into anime since the mid 90's you can remember when they'll make a series (manga) multiple times. My example is Ah My Goddess. *More or less in order of release.* OVA- Doesn't follow the manga. Movie- Doesn't follow the manga. TV Series- Follows the manga, but skips a few arc. OVA- Follows an Arc. FMA- Done twice. Tenchi Muyo- Originally an OVA (3 seasons). Followed by a two TV series. (Each independent) Two movies. (Follow 1st TV series.) Two manga's (Follow OVA) |
broodo said: Naoki-Saten said: DmonHiro said: Is every single topic going to be 90% people complaining about it not following the manga? Seriously, every single one? If you know the original of something and you liked it, then you will allways view the adaption more critically instead of simply enjoying it. I mean, I liked the relationships between humans and mental models the most but... there was much more to Aoki Hagane than that. And I think it's too bad they leave those things out... While I agree with you remember they have to appeal to a greater percentage of the masses when creating an anime as opposed to a manga. Or if you've been into anime since the mid 90's you can remember when they'll make a series (manga) multiple times. My example is Ah My Goddess. *More or less in order of release.* OVA- Doesn't follow the manga. Movie- Doesn't follow the manga. TV Series- Follows the manga, but skips a few arc. OVA- Follows an Arc. FMA- Done twice. Tenchi Muyo- Originally an OVA (3 seasons). Followed by a two TV series. (Each independent) Two movies. (Follow 1st TV series.) Two manga's (Follow OVA) I've only seen one of these shows (FMA, and I didn't read the manga. I know the first adaption was mostly anime-original, though), but I see what you're getting at. Still, aren't there plenty Manga/Light Novels that are just made for the purpose of appealing to a bigger part of the audience? Wouldn't adapting them be better than taking some Manga that has a far smaller group of potential consumers as its target and then go the effort of changing it? Well, it does kinda make sense. Even if a part of the the original Manga fans won't like it in the long run, they'll still watch the first few episodes out of curiosity. And since the adaption is then addressed at a more wide range of viewers, it won't matter if they lose some people from the original fanbase... |
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| Most important question is: Is changed work either on same level of quality or better than it's source material? Second most important: Did deviation helped fit story to new format? If answer is no for both question, there is no reason make excuses for such changes. |
| I think I predicted literally everything that was going to happen in this episode, but progress is progress I suppose and it added the human touch to the characters that had been missing in the first 4 tactics based episodes. Can't complain too much as the show remains solid for me, but at the same time nothing about it particularly stands out still aside from the really good submarine warfare bits which I don't think I've seen from a TV anime series in a while. Looking like a lock for a 6/10 final rating. |
PeacingOutNov 13, 2013 5:06 PM
| COMPLAINTS EVERYWHERE. Why don't you go to an animation studio and make your own anime then? -.- People always complain whether the adaptation is bad or good. What's the fucking sense? lol They don't even see the point of watching an anime which is to enjoy and entertain people to the utmost possible degree. |
| Well that was predictable... X( Oh well, at least I get to see their version of a military sci-fi staple: the spider tank. Hmm the egg thing in Iwoto knows Takao, another Fog mental model in a different body? |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
Takuan_Soho said: Tenzen12 said: Most important question is: Is changed work either on same level of quality or better than it's source material? Second most important: Did deviation helped fit story to new format? If answer is no for both question, there is no reason make excuses for such changes. Actually even if the answer is "no" to both, there could be a reason: time restraint being a primary one. There are 8 volumes to this series, there is no way that they could adapt this to a 12 episode animation. That it looks like they decided to tell a complete story in this time is not "an excuse", it is something that should be complimented. Better a different story that ends satisfactory then an incomplete, yet accurate, story that may never be finished. As Dirty Harry once said" "A man's got to know his limitations". We have to see whether the producers knew their limitations, so far it seems they have. That is what question n.2 is about, you know... But you said it yourself, better different story that ends satisfactory. When story suck, it doesn't metter whether it's adaptation or not. That is my point. I am not saying Arpeggio anime is bad as whole, actualy I look forward to it every week, but that's why I can get dissapointed when episoded like this come out. |
Tenzen12Nov 13, 2013 10:03 PM
pizza_012 said: COMPLAINTS EVERYWHERE. Why don't you go to an animation studio and make your own anime then? -.- People always complain whether the adaptation is bad or good. What's the fucking sense? lol They don't even see the point of watching an anime which is to enjoy and entertain people to the utmost possible degree. Attack on Titan says hi |
| How many times I have to repeat myself? I do understant why they changed it and accepted many of them. I don't care about changes as long as it's good and reasonable. I can bring bunch of animes that did major changes and I liked it, but all depend on writing skills of anime scriptwriter and director, which are far inferior to Arc performence. I don't know into what extend anime staff listen their suggestions, but it's not clearly enough. That said Anime is still sufficiently good often. |
Tenzen12Nov 14, 2013 12:31 AM
| Unfortunetely it's not THAT bad (or to be exact, it's not that bad ALL-TIME), though it would make things easier. Everything aside battles is usualy next to average. When it's good I will praise it, when it's bad I will say it suck, there is nothing wrong with that. PS: Anyway I critise episode as own thing not as adaptation only. So I don't think there is meaning continue in this discussion unless other would adress it in same manner. |
Tenzen12Nov 14, 2013 1:29 AM
| With "action" that had to financed from pocket money of studio Janitor (Let's be honest RWBY that has only fragment of Arpeggio budgets and staff does far better job in fights than this), incredibly cheesy dialogs and Deus ex Iona (noted even by anime only watchers) on the end giving it 4/10 is too generous. But you are right giving it 0/10 was exaggerated due dissapointed expectations. |
Tenzen12Nov 14, 2013 2:07 AM
Darklight0303 said: Attack on Titan says hi So fucking genius. Wow. That was awesome. I can't even.......... Wow. So fucking gorgeous. Maybe the best post evarrrrrrr. |
pizza_012 said: Darklight0303 said: Attack on Titan says hi So fucking genius. Wow. That was awesome. I can't even.......... Wow. So fucking gorgeous. Maybe the best post evarrrrrrr. It proves that an adaptation can follow the bloody source and still be popular. You say they changed up things in Arpeggio in order to not leave things unconcluded as they would have been if they followed the manga. Attack on Titan proves that excuse is utter bullshit with its huge ass open ending. |
And Oh, Roflmao I guess you're pointing out with the wrong person on with your statement claiming "You say they changed up things in Arpeggio in order to not leave things unconcluded as they would have been if they followed the manga". I didn't even said something like that. lol Well, if you want to further discuss anything in general with me, feel free to drop any on my profile comment section. I will probably be able to reply within a day or two. I don't really pay much attention to arguments that doesn't really concern me. lmfao. Mod Edit: Removed some spam and derailing comments as well as quotes of those comments. |
rodacNov 14, 2013 10:27 PM
| 4/5 In the way of Paul see in action the teddy bear his colleague was still permissible, but seeing it here seems a bit out of place. Please take away Kirishima version teddy bear, I think I see a different anime series! XD Undoubtedly, having devoted two episodes to describe the birth of friendship and the psyche of the two girls of the fog, may have benefited the future understanding of the relationships between the various characters, but on the other hand also has a little, lowered the pathos after so doing good, i would say that my opinion is placed in the middle between the detractors and those who are in favor of this arc. Technically, the only thing I do not like is the slowness in the animations, the rest is all pretty good. My vote reflects what I said earlier about my position in relation to this arc! |
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| According to users, it quite deviated from the original story? I guess I'll finish the anime first before reading the manga for less disappointments. |
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Takuan_Soho said: Darklight0303 said: It proves that an adaptation can follow the bloody source and still be popular. You say they changed up things in Arpeggio in order to not leave things unconcluded as they would have been if they followed the manga. Attack on Titan proves that excuse is utter bullshit with its huge ass open ending. You really are comparing apples and oranges. Attack on Titan was a megahit selling well over 750,000 volumes even before the animation (it nearly doubled after); Aoki was selling less than 25,000 (the animation gave the last volume a nice bump up to nearly 40K). So the goal with Attack on Titan the adaptation was: don't screw it up; the goal of Aoki was "we need to appeal to a larger audience". Also, there was never going to be a doubt that Titan would sell well over 10,000 BDs, even if they screwed it up, ensuring that there would be a second season once the writer wrote enough stories to leave an open ending (in fact the producers WANTED an open ending so that they could do a season 2 and 3 and however many they could get away with). Aoki had no such guarantee. The Producers pretty much knew that all they had was 11 episodes, so they decided to tell a complete story in the hope that this would attract more fans. In that nearly every person here who hasn't read the manga is really enjoying this, I would say they made the right decision to change the story (as the Titan producers did in NOT changing their story). Main difference is AoT is show based on action, story and character doesn't have much importance (some might disagree). That's why it doesn't realy metter whether it's changed. Arpeggio goes much more for plot, politics and characterisation of wast cast and story doesn't have any convenient place for anime conlusion. I guess some changes was necessary. How well/badly was changes handled is unfortunetely completely different issue. |
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