Mizu Zokusei no Mahoutsukai Episode 11 Discussion

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Sep 18, 6:29 PM

#51

sodrainz

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Jul 2023

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"The Water Magician". Let's spend 75% of the season on every character besides the supposed Water Magician. This author must have gotten writing advice from DanMachi's author when writing Ais.

Feels like we've had more time having that mage girl complain about ice walls than Ryo doing literally anything.

Sep 18, 6:45 PM

#52

LucenProject

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Oct 2022

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Wow! those ratings! This episode made us feel ALL types of ways!

Sep 18, 6:50 PM

#53

Kyazaru

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May 2021

It's suck. Almost at last episode do a back stories, come on just finish it

Sep 18, 7:14 PM

#54

Imbatmanbro

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May 2017

Spent more time on a new side character than not just the MC but any other established side characters right before the final ep? trash

Sep 18, 7:20 PM

#55

LordJehZeus

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Dec 2023

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this episode was pretty dark compared to the others.

Sep 18, 7:28 PM

#56

joexmdq

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I've never seen such a balanced vote lol.

What to say, an absolute waste of time with a character that I don't care at all (and that may apply for most of the caracters in this episode).

Nothing important. Keep scrolling.

Sep 18, 7:37 PM

#57

Alisos360

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I don’t hate the flashback but since we only have 1 episode left I would have liked to see more of the MC. I’m assuming/hoping that next episode is going to be water mage vs fire mage.

Sep 18, 7:42 PM

#58

Skuvan

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Decent episode, but definitely a weird one, and I don’t mean that in a bad way. All the previous episodes were told from the perspective of the protagonist, Ryo. But now, all of a sudden, we get a tragic backstory for Oscar, with Ryo only appearing for a few seconds.

In any case, I really hope Ryo makes it in time to save his friends. I don’t think this misunderstanding is going to be resolved through talking, so a fight is definitely bound to happen between Ryo’s friends and Oscar. And although I can relate to Oscar, I still hope Ryo makes it in time.

Sep 18, 7:51 PM

#59

reptlife

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Jun 2022

What a fucking bad trash anime. I had to stop to see if I was watching the right anime. What a beginning of an episode that has nothing to do with it. The director screwed up with this anime's story. Every ending of the episode is an absurd hook to start the next episode, super boring and boring.

Sep 18, 8:08 PM

#60

Ealstrom

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The direction of this episode is ass. There is ton of stills, a shot focus on the LAMP instead of characters talking? bruh they could have made a shot focusing on their backs talking and not show their faces, also what the fuck was that mid-air freeze when catching the princess

Sep 18, 8:12 PM

#61

Scootboi

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The hell. Why did we need a 10 minute back story for a mid tier forgettable character.

No one is going to remember oscar in 2 months.

2/5

Sep 18, 8:54 PM

#62

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When the show first started, I thought the OP and the ED made it look like it was going to be about a main character who finally develops an actual mature relationship with a woman (elf).

What I didn't realize was that the hidden message in the OP was that when anything interesting happens he'll miss it because he's in the Library or just wandering around town.

Meanwhile the ED was really saying that the elf girl was going to spend most of the show off-camera, nowhere near the plot, and alone.

As others have pointed out, this particular episode was heavy on the random characters do random stupid things for no reason.

Some more stupid things that I haven't seen mentioned...
(6:19 - The bad guy somehow just jumped onto the ramparts from the other side? Shouldn't the archer that's right behind him shoot him? Nah.)
(9:23 - The wolves are outside? Let's not close the door of the house but just run away instead!)
(8:47 - What about that other woman in his house? His sister? She's curled up in a corner so we'll just leave her to be eaten by the wolves.)
(Why would bandits set fire to a mansion they were trying to rob? Wouldn't that bring out the fire brigade? Way to avoid getting caught.)
(He sliced the bandit's face with blood everywhere, and then a few seconds later, it's just another scar on that side of his head. Does the bandit have super healing powers?)
(Why is Oscar the only one to survive the same fatal wound that everyone else got?)
(Why did his hair turn white?)

Then we get to watch an important business meeting, the kind that requires a soundproofing device. Gotta keep it a secret that folks might want to sign up for a training class. Yeah, nobody would get suspicious about that kind of diversion.

Then we get the garden fight slideshow, where she uses fireworks to get the attention of knights that don't even notice billowing smoke and explosion sounds at the castle. The guards have an attitude of, "we don't have to be anywhere near the castle because it's protected". Meanwhile Oscar is worried enough to be on a "something might happen" diet but not worried enough to make him to pay any attention to the burning castle.

It doesn't matter how far a princess falls from if there's a guy who can catch her she'll be fine.
The room 10 guys who caught the princess have lots of extra food with them. Oscar skipped dinner. They should be able to make a deal.

All that sloppiness usually indicates that the plot was hacked to pieces to shorten it and get to the finale by episode 12.
Maybe they didn't find out that they were only doing 12 episodes until they had already finished episode 9.

Sep 18, 9:44 PM

#63

LeenPhoenixRae

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nice background story/flashback, but this episode felt more a filler episode before the main event starts in next week's episode.

Sep 18, 9:52 PM

#64

Marwanoob

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I didn't remember who Oscar was. And tbh idc if it was the red hair guy or the grey hair guy. It was irrelevant to the story except knowing that the boi has a very very sad story and he's so cool because he's so dark because he's so kind, but yet the world is so nasty, and the bad guys are so bad, and the good guys so good, and yet he's still good even tho he look bad because his hair changed color but in the end he's still a real red hair boi, and no red hair boi are bad they are just really cool because fire is cool, and cool people can't be bad people they just have it hard sometimes, like when a princess is about to die, but in the end people catch her like fans catching a home-run ball, she can't die because her hair are also red, which means she's good and good people only dies in flashback, like the mom and dad.

Sep 18, 10:37 PM

#65

EienGem

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"The town's people and some other characters but occasionally, THE WATER MAGICIAN."
- is a very fitting moniker as given by the ppl here.

This kind of pacing would've worked wonders had it focused solely on Ryo and his interactions with others.
Now we're almost at the end but the plot's still all over the place.

Sep 18, 10:39 PM

#66

Deruin

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Mar 2018

So fricking lame. This episode is so frustrating and the ending adds up to my frustration on how Oscar reacts. I get it this episode is important if only this isn't the second to the last episode!

Sep 18, 10:39 PM

#67

EienGem

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Oct 2014

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This Oscar must be an important character to get a long flashback sequence

@olokinprime He might be the true Water Magician. Remind me how much do we know about Ryo at this point now that this show's ending?

Sep 18, 10:52 PM

#68

Deruin

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Reply to cdurst

@cdurst I wish there is some kind of of upvote here in mal. You pointed several stupid things that I want to mention too but to lazy to rant as I don't know what to say first on how bad the pacing of this anime for the later episodes if we're being kind.

Sep 18, 11:00 PM

#69

JayKitsuneTV

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Jul 2021

This anime *would* end the moment it started becoming remotely interesting, and on the strangest cliffhanger I might add.

Edit: I thought this was an 11 episode anime, but it looks like there’s one more. That makes this a lot better, but I hope Ryo actually does something since he’s supposed to be the main character.

JayKitsuneTVSep 18, 11:04 PM

Sep 18, 11:43 PM

#70

GameDevTosh

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I think my main gripe I have with this show is that it's called The Water Magician, but it should be called The Missing Water Magician. Literally half the show revolves around the MC NOT being there and then suddenly showing up to save the day.

This episode in particular kinda ruined the whole show for me. I figured the rather slow pacing was setting things up for a good last 2 episodes. Instead, we'll get a final episode where half the fight will be sorting out a misunderstanding before we get to the actual plot of why this attack is even happening and who is behind it, or we'll entirely skip it till next season. It feels like they just wanted to force a reason for the MC to fight the strongest fire magician.

The backstory is super convoluted as well. Like, it's way too much for the same exact bandits to attack the family of the same damn kid, and surviving both due to plot armor. Like seriously, the bloodthirsty bandit who already killed half the village could've just stabbed the kid before leaving, but nope, decides to just leave. Then the second time he DOES stab him, and just walks away leaving the kid to survive with plot armor. Yea, I lost all hope of the final episode being more than just fanservice to get some action scenes going and then wrapping it up.

Yesterday, 1:16 AM

#71

donslockz

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Jun 2023

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It was fine backstory. But wasting time on side characters creates the problem when the show has only 12 episodes instead of 24.
I don't know how it was in the source material. But when you don't have deep characters, you should put more effort into other departments. Like make these characters more charismatic, add some good jokes here and there, create cool action scenes etc. Yes, this show has some of the things I mentioned, but it feels like director was so bad at his job, that he was unable to deliver it properly. I believe this show had potential, but execution is weak.

Yesterday, 1:45 AM

#72

AkeZZZ

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Apr 2014

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There was an attack at the manor, including a fire outbreak and enemies who could use fire magic. And what did Ryo the 'water' magician do in this episode?! Nothing, absolutely nothing apart from saying the word 'hanabi'. It was like he didn't care about any sh!t happening so far.

真姫ちゃん！　何が好き？　トマトよりもあ･な･た♡

Yesterday, 1:46 AM

#73

mado-nii

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Oct 2019

despite his tragic past, oscar had everything in the end. a beautiful spouse, favored by the god of fire, he could learn any spell of magic and adapt it into his own attribute, he grow stronger just by becoming a neet (shut himself inside a chamber to train his power just in a couple of a days). author just give everything to him. so what? maybe he should be the main character instead of ryo...

honestly ryo is on the weak side compared to oscar. and with oscar growth rate, i think oscar could turn ryo into a torch someday. now they may be slightly equal, but someday...yeah...ryo will get beaten easily. oscar could grow into godlike. that's how much potential he had.

Yesterday, 2:17 AM

#74

Fenrin

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Jul 2010

Damn, this country has a serious bandit problem lol

What I want to know is how the princess became Captain or whatever she is, when she has little to no battle prowess and has to have her brother explain the incantations to her. Not to mention her Lieutenant is clearly better than her. The nepotism is strong with this one.

Yesterday, 2:22 AM

#75

DevOpsElfMage

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Jun 2025

I miss Sera 😆

But OK, I liked Oskar's backstory and hope for a nice season finale.

Yesterday, 2:31 AM

#76

moonknewo

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Jan 2025

another 💩 ep, one of the worst anime

Yesterday, 3:06 AM

#77

Maxine1994

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Feb 2021

AtuL_35 said:
Best of the best. I want more. Hopefully can get season 2

Please! 12 episodes isn't enough!

Yesterday, 3:18 AM

#78

BlueSnow93

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Nov 2016

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Really ? A 15 minutes flashback of who gives a damn guy we barely know ? Last week we got a boring, nothing happens foreboding episode and i was expecting a huge pay off for that today.
And what do we get ? A frigging 15 minutes flashback. Are people (author/studio) just mush in the head nowadays ? What a god awful pace.

Sad, this was the best anime this season by a long shot.
The akuma girl showing up at the eclipse and the dungeon teleport incident were great but since then its been dogshit. Episode 10 and 11 just take the cake.

This anime committed the sin of making us wait 2 weeks for a shitty flashback. Unbelievable.
And oh, now flame guy is having a grave misunderstanding and water boy will come to the rescue. THE END.
Brilliant

I'm disappointed times 10

Went from 8/10 to 5/10

Yesterday, 3:44 AM

#79

Denkenisme

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Aug 2024

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Okay… even though I suddenly understood that it was a flashback from Master Oscar.
It’s just that the bandit who became the villain in the flashback wasn’t clear about his purpose. He kept attacking the place where Oscar was.
Even when Oscar was in a new place, he was accepted so easily.
In my opinion, it was a poorly done flashback.

Then the scene shifted to the meeting, and an attack happened. Why were there no guards there? Why was Oscar also so far away?

A hard-to-understand episode.

Yesterday, 3:45 AM

#80

Denkenisme

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254

Yesterday, 5:43 AM

#81

Myetx

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Sep 2022

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It's a pity what happened to this series. It had good potential. But it should have focused on Ruo, Abel and Sera.
No one gives a F about Oscar at episode 11/12.

Yesterday, 6:06 AM

#82

YuushaNi

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Nov 2017

160

I literally can barely understand what this anime's even about anymore. Is this about Ryo's story? There's like no Ryo to be seen in these episodes

Yesterday, 6:57 AM

#83

nhkam

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Aug 2021

434

Lots of nothing when lots could have happened. Love the show but this was a fluff finale setup. A tad disappointing

Yesterday, 8:16 AM

#84

purrskii

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Dec 2021

fucking sacred square being a circle killed me
i don't know how people rate this a 7/10

Yesterday, 8:55 AM

#85

Elrushe9

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Oct 2019

The title is "Water Magician" and the "main" character barely ever fckn appears after episode 4 and now we get an entire episode that he legit does not show up, the worst part is that it's episode 11/12 and we end on a cliffhanger basically on the same spot as last episode! Unbelievable what a let down after an enjoyable early start. We also get an ending full of the female "lead" but is barely part of the story. This show pisses me off but whatever I'll just finish it since I started it.

Yesterday, 9:28 AM

#86

fisty123

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Jul 2014

Sad part is, this whole first season feels like a prequel to what could be a decent story. Unless this gets a 2cour this series is one hell of a letdown. Started so good then went down hill once he left house in the forest.

Yesterday, 9:37 AM

#87

Tarrian

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By this point it's abundantly clear that it's not a matter of janky pacing or directorial choices, it's a severe flaw in the source material.

Looking back over the season I really have to wonder just what the point was, where was the plot? Throwing in a half-episode flashback history of a character that we don't even know, much less care about, certainly hasn't served to clear up the questions.

This is ostensibly the story of a transmigrated water magician but, much like the second season of OPM, he barely features at all and really only serves as a last-second deus ex machina to resolve the crisis of the moment. He started off looking like an interesting protagonist, drawing the interest of the faerie king and all that, but his value evaporated like drops of rain in a volcano.

Eh, not sure I can even be arsed to watch the final episode.

Yesterday, 9:55 AM

#88

Ultimategan

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Dec 2017

Come on, who puts a random flashback this long in the 11th episode? So stupid.

Yesterday, 9:57 AM

#89

Tsukatsuki_7

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Dec 2024

1 episode just to show the villain flashback without any mc scene??

Yesterday, 10:13 AM

#90

I-Hate-Usernames

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Aug 2022

Reply to Marinate1016

One of the best episodes of this show so far. Completely disagree with people complaining about a backstory flashback in the penultimate ep. Clearly Oscar is being set up as some sort of foil to Ryo(water and fire), I presume he’ll play a big role in the next arc in the LN.. makes sense they would establish things today so we actually know and care about him, PLUS it explains why he reacted the way he did to Nils saving Fiona at the end.

Oscar’s backstory was so tragic, but how do you get pulled up on by the SAME group of bandits TWICE(probably 3 times because I’m sure Boskona is behind this one)? The fact he didn’t even get to say goodbye to his parents, it’s just a sudden, brutal death for both of them, no last words or gasps for air pleading with him to run.. just cut down cruelly like a dog. If that’s not bad enough, then you find another home with the elder and that one gets raided too. It’s almost like he’s a bad luck charm at this point 😭

I was so worried that Fiona was gonna die, but thankfully she seems ok. I’m worried about Nils no way he could hold off Oscar, so is Ryo gonna show up and give us our first fight between Fire and Water? For the first time, I’m kinda hype for the next water magician episode.

@Marinate1016 For the LN that's fine, but if we're not getting a 2nd season of this show, then his backstory was absolutely pointless and served no purpose, or at least unless you're correct about the bandits, but this seems a bit more than just bandits with the powerful magic involved.

Yesterday, 10:41 AM

#91

rkrempel

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is there any LN reader? I want to see if it makes more sense and if Ryo is actually part of the book or not.

I agree with you all. Feel way too late to have a backstory. This need 24 episodes really as I feel we barely scratch the surface.

@samikaz
I got tired of waiting and tracked down a TL of the Web Novel and started reading after the events of ep. 10. Finished vol. 1. last weekend.

I did not see this Oscar backstory there, but it might be in the LN. I've already confirmed that the LN has different arcs or at least puts them in a different order than the WN.

Ryu is (it seems) incredibly overpowered, but I think the author didn't want to focus on that. So, Ryu cannot be present too much, or there would be absolutely no tension to the action. We've seen some of that on LvL 40 of the Dungeon. Ryo arrives, fight is over instantly.

It's almost like all the other characters are in an Action Adventure anime, while Ryu is in a Slice of Life.

Anyway, nice fight upcoming in ep 12. They could have done it sooner, but things quiet down again until well into the next arc and I guess they wanted some action in the finale.

Yesterday, 11:10 AM

#92

ekagra69

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Oct 2019

Shity animation and the worst plot i can imagine, the guards are roaming in city and the backstory was absolutely dumb and unneeded. this Episode alone ruined the story building that was going on till now. DROPED. These types of Tropes are old and just ruined the interest of viewer!

Yesterday, 1:38 PM

#93

Daniel_Dreiberg

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the do nothing macgician

Yesterday, 2:28 PM

#94

Alex_the_reaper

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Apr 2021

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ep was a bit wasted, i get the backstory but half of the ep for it its a bit unnecessary. at the end of the ep we are just 3 mins after the end of last episode wich doesn't feel super good.

anyways now they created a creative way to make Ryo fight the fire mage, hes gonna step in and side with his roommates while the vulcanic mage thinks theyre all affiliated with the bad guys, a fight due to a misunderstanding but the only decent way to make 2 "good" characters fight eachother.
prob abel gonna intervene, and im hoping the little mage in his party can finally testify some of ryos might.

still i think this anime as a whole flopped hard, u get this cool concept, a interesting mc and some very basic worldbuilding, and u decide to focus on every boring npc ever and use the mc as a "super op character that solves it all" card, wich would be understandable IF IT WASNT SO OVERUSED. u cant just dump the mc fighting on us once every 4 episodes, make everything else extremely boring and expect us to like it...
i cant even comprehend why just WHY we gave screentime to the NOBODIES that are his roommates instead of idk EVERYONE ELSE?!? u only show the boring ones when the interesting guys are already developed, instead they did the exact oposite, very very weird

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Yesterday, 2:40 PM

#95

LightningC04

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Mar 2022

Honestly showing half of fire mage's backstory without any elaboration only makes it more confusing.

Then we've got the wind barrier supposedly so potent and reliable yet so easily sabotaged, and then knights seemingly so easily stunned instead of leaping into action immediately after seeing the fire pillar as a sign of ongoing combat.

Then there's Ryo who's the type of player that misses 90% clues about what's to come in a main story quest and ofc it will workout because he's the MC.

Lastly, it doesn't take a genius to know what comes next, Ryo shows up and fights the fire mage. Everything feels so forced to set up this fight, including the backstory part only showing enough to know the fire mage's got PTSD from losing those close to him.

Also it's honestly pretty funny how far the princess flew. The castle looked a mile away yet the next second the impact looked like it was right next to them, and then despite falling from quite high, the catch felt so easy, like she only fell 2 ft lol. I wish the story was better written.

Yesterday, 2:51 PM

#96

uuuuno

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Nov 2021

lol looking at comments, I guess this is the third episode I need to skip. I'll read the episode summaries somewhere.

I'm hoping the quality comes back in the season finale. or, actually, maybe I won't watch at all and completely drop this show. b/c skipping these 3 episodes may make the finale not worth it.

Yesterday, 3:35 PM

#97

Hot-Pantaloons

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Apr 2023

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"This show couldn't possibly get worse". Show- "Hold my beer(water)". Some of the worst plot pacing, so many useless scenes that you ultimately just dont need to walk away with more or less the same understanding. Really liked this at the start, but wow it just shot itself in the foot over and over as a story. Feels like the authors just trolling us, no, they are trolling us. Was such an interesting premise ruined by awful plotline execution. I'll be amazed if this gets a 2nd season, tho given whats been GETTING more seasons lately odds are it will. Oh well guess we'll see Ryo fight the jumping to conclusions fire guy next week, does he kill his friends? Who knows, wouldn't be all that surprised if they throw another half EP of unrelated or non essential side content at us, again. A real bummer.

Yesterday, 3:46 PM

#98

olokinprime

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Mar 2020

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@olokinprime He might be the true Water Magician. Remind me how much do we know about Ryo at this point now that this show's ending?

@EienGem Here I thought the real Water Magician was the friends they met along the way

Yesterday, 6:24 PM

#99

4060

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Mar 2016

this shit is so fucking ass, sad because i loved the first half of the season

Yesterday, 6:48 PM

#100

asgeras

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I think it says everything about this anime that we have wolves smirking as a little boy is knocked into a river.

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