...why is there no equivalent of certain anime in western media?

@Maythews
Don't forget the Motion Picture Production Code better known as Hays Code which shaped what Hollywood films were like and basically banned most foreign films making America culturally isolated from the rest of the world.

@DigiCat Men are the easiest to appeal to. Y'all like basic battle Shounen anime and movie #37263829 where the main character is an OP guy. Bonus points if it's a random beloved actor.

@SoumyaUkil73 Uh, what? What are you talking about?

@traed Another terrible thing that conservatives did. 😉

@BilboBaggins365
Yeah, and some today too though I wouldn't say that act was of any particular ideology, it was a regulation on advertising during shows targeting kids that they can not air as much and they can't be products tied to the shows themselves and it also mandated some educational programming.

@traed
I heard that was the reason Duel Monsters cards had no text in the Yu-Gi-Oh dub.

It's more so the mentality for creativity, how they want to go about it, how they want to convey it, how they want to appeal to an audience, however much they do for niches anymore either, rather then the niche to build up it's the has to appeal to a large enough as if they can't be bothered waiting around when I mean word of mouth works with a niche too, what can you make that audiences understand, won't find weird, what is appealing even if weird, what depth it goes into of themes, artstyle, etc.



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It seems people are taking parts of my point (not a bad thing but out of context because I didn't give enough examples, but if I have examples it's a big comment, no one reads it, misses the point and I have to explain about shows/other media others may not have experienced, so I can't win anyway XD sigh, I was generalising, if I expand on high school DXD as mobile game use of IP, or games and how i see the IPs being wasted versus people care about worlds/characters/realism or enough of media exaggeration presentation and all this stuff I'll be going on A WHILE. That's why I generalised, sigh, understand context people, have a brain please.

So sorry for generalising.

But the mentality point still stands. If western companies want to play it safe of what people understand, or what worked, or what current values, or this and that, that's on them.

I don't care for emotional moments, relating and all that garbage, but many people do, so I get why it's there. If enough happens of events I may care, but in most situations, the whiplash of ,this family matter or this person's hardship' and the other moments, serious, silly ,etc. I mean I don't care what adventure I'm on, I don't care about your drama side and do your journey to wherever. That doesn't make me a child, that just means i think it's badly applied or I'm not always looking for those sorts of themes in media, all the time. I don't like things grounded or emotional anyways.

But all media has to have a message does it? I do think it can enhance something sure or be what a creator intended on to make a point and that's fine, but it needs to be better applied.

I mean characters can not realise situations (dense or not and to make a point) and other times they can. It's up to the audience. If they spot it sure, if the characters aren't and it's intending the audience to ignore a weird if you look at it situation but the characters aren't and it's not intended as that no matter how close characters get or whatever happens, then it's not fan service or something is it. Or any other particular theme/value seen in some other ways.

If it's a creators delusion by all means, we can hate it or understand it or who the audience is, themselves or others?

If Youtubers/online creators (WHICH NO ONE FOCUSES ON HILARIOUSLY you people picking apart my comment XD, use your brains please) then yeah that is what companies don't that those people DO to further the point of westerners trying to have that flexibility of themes, artstyles, character designs, etc. that companies don't.

I mean I ignore mainstream music, I could go that far with tv/films yet I don't. That's on ME. I don't let an algorithm or companies present media to me I seek my own out of music, games, books, etc. taste. Many being similar just happens but if they are different enough or appealing enough I will experience them. it's that simple. I don't complain about every show I see in front of me.

Compare that to anime and yes, you see your BIG IPS THAT SELL WELL and TRENDS TOO FOLLOW, like no duh that happens with anything in business.

But if you aren't looking at on streaming, other sources official/otherwise, lists, top 10s, etc. they are out there such niche series that go more safe, or more suitable and others not.

That's on YOU, not the creator/company. YOU seek it out, or YOU let an algorithm do it for you? Exactly.

If I choose to use wikipedia/MAL to find my anime, games, books, music, etc. that's on me. Yet people don't and complain. That's on them not seeking things out. If I choose to make a search on MAL, put 1 one in and see tons of results as it's a typical word commonly used, I can pick any of those anime and manga. It is pointless to do so, but I can if I go oh those come up, the art looks appealing, the descriptions do, etc. All because I put 1 word in an anime/manga title into MAL. If I use techniques as stupid as that and find shows there is no excuse.

I experience a lot of anime, manga, games, books, etc. not for me, but I have an open mind as well. XD I can go oh that's suited to that audience or oh that's how they went about that then immediately cut something off. Oh that's oh those crime show or romcom tropes are for example then not knowing much on the outside.

But I look at STRUCTURE, I do music sound design, I do game design, I do narrative tricks for books/tv shows, etc. I don't have to be a creator of those mediums to do that. I just care about the behind the scenes. Most don't and they don't have to either. But it explains why culturally or what ideas the creator came to those conclusions.



I mean I look at how some trends are. In gaming I am buying all the shooters, platformers and racing games of the PS1 to 3 era or 5-7th gen because they were more experimental, their mechanics hook me immediately, their pacing/design decisions made sense. Nowadays nah, too much nostalgia, not close enough design in areas and they don't cover up their skills.

Is that me being jaded to prefer prior design versus new, no, I just think the other showcased things more and the current era of AAA, AA, Indies, whether gaming or not can be empty at times, it's just gaming i see it more and anime/western tv I see the themes/story and direction differently.

I mean Log Horizon early episodes fan service jokes/2 times end of first S1, rewatching it on the blu-rays I was like yeah fair, still most of it didn't have it either.

While to me some anime jokes or gags I don't mind, some tropes i don't mind. Others may not.

So some trends, tropes, etc. do go a bit far to be terrible.

I don't like soulslikes but in gaming they or puzzle or adventure games are doing amazing things, but I'm not experiencing all of them or some of those trends/sub trends.

I think reverse isekai are better then regular isekai, I think some of the isekai ideas are good, and some are bizarre and not in a good way whilst others are.

I mean like the vending machine one or the bowling one, I could make up some stupid one too, but at the same time, what are they adding.

I think about gameplay with games and could do this fits gameplay wise, the world is utterly bizzare but people don't understand on a normal level what I'm going for. I think the same applies there. Sure many are that stupid of isekai ideas no doubt but i mean, you don't see the west going oh lets have go karting through dimensions or a theme park to build in the 1500s do you?

It would be like a side thing of traveling through time or something to make sense, or a one off moment. Not that is the premise is evolving or randomly putting things in odd places. Sure in a sci-fi show about messing with time it would like Doctor Who S6 had things in history being messy and out of order of those alive, dead, and renamed, but I mean your not seeing it to the extent of the bowling in early points in history kind of silliness are you? That's the point.

There is a point to making sense sure, but sometimes something dumb and fun is worth it then 'making sense'. I don't need it to be realistic to be immersive, but for some people it does. That's the point.

I hate realism, I don't want to play realistic, I don't want worlds to be realistic, but for some people it has to be or it's too strange for people and they are put off by it.




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Even then to me seeing the why anime is weird (Many out there but I like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZDb3OSBylg ) or any other types of videos it makes sense why character designs and use of eyes, hair, hairstyle, personality tropes, etc. are the way they are per medium or culture, production reasons, etc.

Some cultural things can be adapted for sure. Or you can have the westerner perspective type stuff. It's why I'm excited for Rental Family https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rental+family+trailer (pick a trailer/channel, any one), taking a western actor and putting them in a culturally different setting and going we can showcase this stuff. It may be live action but it's still an interesting insight, same with many others that have done the same in the past it's just a modern example of that.

Do we need a western actor or live action for it no. I mean in some cases sure I've read the other rental girlfriend/others type manga, I've seen the videos on rental families, but most people think Rent A Girlfriend so I mean, that's on audiences not creators. But then again how much do you explain/look at and go ah I see why we have these similar to a nanny or butler or whatever.

How much do we need to go into maid cafes, host clubs, etc.

Or I guess just the more slice of life eastern countries have then western slice of life, dramas or sitcoms.

Besides the artstyle, animation, etc. expectations as well.

Or business side of things.

Some things can be conveyed/explained others not.

Some things can be tone, word play, transfer student, whatever the case or fair across any human experience, it just varies. Not just 'oh this is a big IP, dress it up to be more western even though it was already appealing to those in the west, easily understood, and less weird'. But nope.

The west nowadays doesn't want to take risks so they have to split off to others that will offer those particular types of films/tv shows that can be made with those groups of people/studios.

Anime just does whatever it wants, manga does whatever it wants, visual novels, games, etc. Sure many IPs do stay around but do end also. In the west many either are very big or cut off too soon and only so much in-between gets a pass.

Western media used to experiment but over time as they got bigger, needed the budget, wanted particular things and just got safer. It's why we see very particular films or tv shows in the Indie or other space, or we see online content by those creatives on various platforms these days.

Even if Eastern media does have it's particular angle too of strictness and top IPs as well, the West I think does more so. Like if they struggle to find a place for it they try another time later or put it into other media entirely to still use it

he west can do that but I don't think so as often, but it varies.

One thing that I've noticed is rare in western media but very popular in anime is supernatural romances. There is Twilight but that's about it as far as high budget ones go

@NS2D

Supernatural romance is actually quite popular in literature aimed at teens and YA, Twilight just seems to be the most popular of them, and there aren't that many supernatural romance anime as you think.

@JoeChip I must've missed it since I'm not the target audience then. I was referring more to big budged series and movies. The closest I can think of that's relevant right now is Cameron's Avatar movie series

@NS2D

Avatar is sci-fi, not supernatural though. Disney's recent live action adaptation of The Beauty and the Beast would count as a high budget supernatural romance film. There is also the more recent Snow White adaptation but the less said, the better about it.

If that was the case the market wouldn't get dominated by repetitive and overwhelmingly similar stuff like high school romcoms, generic isekais, same old battle shounens and CGDCT season after season.

This is proof that the industry mostly finances anime that are guaranteed to make profit thanks to the consumer fanbase that is largely made of male teenagers. It's no coincidence we barely get any sci-fi or space anime these days, or any anime with adult protagonists really that don't look like a high school girl or college student.

And there is also the fact censorship is visibly in effect in the modern anime especially compared to the previous decades.

So, I don't think we can really say "Anime just does whatever it wants".

Yeah but it's still a humanoid "monster person"

Lmao probably true from what I've heard about it

You want what cheap self insert fantasy stories? Yeah those exist in literature. Of course you have the entire romantasy genre, however, it exists for men too. I mean I have read a few books in the genre, such as "His Orc Charioteer Bride". I guess in that regard sure, anime isn't going to give me my buff female orc waifu...though that isn't what you are claiming.

Also what about Medalist is so unique lol? I haven't watched it. It seems to me just a typical sports anime around figure skating. If we are talking sports media, frankly anime is kinda limited compared to what you will find in film/TV, due to it's constant focus on YA stuff. You can't find stuff like Moneyball in this medium, for instance. It's incredibly rare to find media about the pro scene, which to me is the most interesting part.

Once again, Wiru makes some massive assumption about other media, and claims anime is unique, while lacking background information in other media. There are only a few kinds of stories, that I think are somewhat unique to anime, and even those kinds of stories I am starting to see pop up in Western fiction (Iyashikei -> Cozy Fiction).

Again unless you are just talking about why haven't these works been made in animation..then sure you would have a point, though that is more to do with the West not taking animation/comic forms seriously. In terms of general storytelling these POVs, seem to be the nature of people who need to actually branch out of anime, or at least stop claiming myths about other entertainment mediums, which only highlights their own lack of knowledge. It's not like I read novels, even close to what I do with anime (discounting my 40k/SW binges) however, it's not hard to find works that can appeal to similar genres/kinds of storytelling anime does. Honestly, even as a fan of anime, this constant belief that anime is so unique is amazing to me. It's like you guys are arguing the norm is just art house stuff like Lain or FLCL (works that are yeah very unique).

Like Wiru, I could easily make a similar argument too "why doesn't anime do more of x, compared to x medium" I have seen tons of arguments in the inverse. Why doesn't the medium make more works like the Expanse or Suneater? Personally I would like more stories like that in the medium.

This mentality literally describes the anime industry lol. How is the anime industry not risk averse and slow in pursuing novelties? Risk adverse defines this industry for better or worse, the same genres production committees and publishing houses rely on, are the exact same from like the 80s....nothing has changed. it's still battle shonen, romcoms, sports shows. The target demo is still YA.

Are you guys seriously arguing anime/manga isn't dominated by corporate influences lol? Time to get out of delusional land. Your weeb mentality isn't reflective of the world.

I can go watch actual sex scenes in my "Western media", and it doesn't have to actually be porn. Japan is a country that lynches their pop idols for ever having a boyfriend, Western media has their pop idols flaunting around in the most sex crazed productions lol......again all you guys talk about is otaku shit, while pretending a conservative country is a libertarian brothel fantasy land lol just because they have your precious lolis, which is only embraced by a weird sub set culture that isn't respected over there anyway. When it comes to casual nudity and sex, there is way more of it in Western media. Hey why do you think hentai perpetuate stereotypes that Western people are easy, it's because we are seen as more open to sex than socially conservative Japan. The reason people get irritated by slow burn anime romances, is because we in the West are more open to affection early.

People may demonize the male gaze however, they absolutely profit off it. Yeah even in Western media. Give me a mainstream JRPG that is more casual with sex than Baldurs Gate or Cyberpunk 2077....will wait.

I mean look at the difference between otome isekai works, and romantasy for women in the West. It's romantasy/hockey romances that has all the orgies.

...that one shitty Nicholas Cage film?

Obviously you yourself define Medalist a Young Adult Opera, because you yourself always judge an Opera based on the Cover without having seen at least 2 or 3 episodes and you realize that it is not like that What do you usually expect. That being said, there is no quality live action film about skating Because Medalist is one of the few that manages to have at least some decent writing. Then Moneyball is not a movie about skating.

Then on TV we also have some live-action thrillers aimed at YA audiences like Butterfly, FreeRayshawn and Airwolf.

Moneyball It doesn't need to have an Anime adaptation. It is the anime themselves that must attract inspiration.

@LuxuriousHeart Which part did you not understand?

@LuxuriousHeart
It isn't always them. 1990's Children's Television Act was written by a Democrat from Texas and passed by a Democrat majority senate. The intentions were good but it wound up part of why local channels stopped having animation blocks except for adult oriented sitcoms because it wasn't profitable to them enough anymore.

The chairs of the FCC during Disney buying up ABC in 1996, FOX in 2019, Marvel Entertainment in 2009, Lucasfilm in 2012 were all Democrats. This gave Disney control of 40% of the film industry from the US.

@traed Democrats from the South can actually be pretty moderate due to the South being the bible belt, which is the point...

Disney is not completely left leaning... Disney is a corporation at the end of the day.

I think it has a lot to do with cultural history and contemporary trends. Anime doesn't exist in a vacuum and, being a relatively new medium, is obviously influenced by much older mediums of art that it's related to. Others have obviously pointed out how a lot of anime-inspired stuff has been made in the West, but I also think you need to look at it from the other side. Western media has a lot of things that anime doesn't usually do. I can name plenty of tropes from plenty of genres in Western media, and I know people will cherry-pick counterexamples, but the truth remains that there's a lot of ideas and tropes and common story templates that Western media uses in spades but anime almost never attempts to deal with. Like yeah, sure, you can give me Psycho-Pass as an example of a serious, gritty crime thriller with a somewhat plain and adult cast the same way SE7EN is, but just try to look at how prevalent classic crime thrillers with that vibe are in Western media, vs how prevalent that setup is in anime. And I won't just limit it to anime. I think you can see the cultural differences (and also, the classics influencing everything from writing style to tropes to commonly used scenes) a lot more clearly if you delve into Eastern media as a whole, by which I'm mostly referring to live-action series and films. I mean, as one example, just try to look at how much Western historical epics and political dramas borrow from the style of Shakespeare's plays (Caesar and Macbeth etc) vs how much Eastern historical epics borrow from Romance of the Three Kingdoms. There's a lot of nuances to consider that I think people ignore simply because they aren't actually well-versed in global media and art... or they just have the typical weeb stance of "West bad animu good".

It's more so the mentality for creativity, how they want to go about it, how they want to convey it, how they want to appeal to an audience, however much they do for niches anymore either, rather then the niche to build up it's the has to appeal to a large enough as if they can't be bothered waiting around when I mean word of mouth works with a niche too, what can you make that audiences understand, won't find weird, what is appealing even if weird, what depth it goes into of themes, artstyle, etc.



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It seems people are taking parts of my point (not a bad thing but out of context because I didn't give enough examples, but if I have examples it's a big comment, no one reads it, misses the point and I have to explain about shows/other media others may not have experienced, so I can't win anyway XD sigh, I was generalising, if I expand on high school DXD as mobile game use of IP, or games and how i see the IPs being wasted versus people care about worlds/characters/realism or enough of media exaggeration presentation and all this stuff I'll be going on A WHILE. That's why I generalised, sigh, understand context people, have a brain please.

So sorry for generalising.

But the mentality point still stands. If western companies want to play it safe of what people understand, or what worked, or what current values, or this and that, that's on them.

I don't care for emotional moments, relating and all that garbage, but many people do, so I get why it's there. If enough happens of events I may care, but in most situations, the whiplash of ,this family matter or this person's hardship' and the other moments, serious, silly ,etc. I mean I don't care what adventure I'm on, I don't care about your drama side and do your journey to wherever. That doesn't make me a child, that just means i think it's badly applied or I'm not always looking for those sorts of themes in media, all the time. I don't like things grounded or emotional anyways.

But all media has to have a message does it? I do think it can enhance something sure or be what a creator intended on to make a point and that's fine, but it needs to be better applied.

I mean characters can not realise situations (dense or not and to make a point) and other times they can. It's up to the audience. If they spot it sure, if the characters aren't and it's intending the audience to ignore a weird if you look at it situation but the characters aren't and it's not intended as that no matter how close characters get or whatever happens, then it's not fan service or something is it. Or any other particular theme/value seen in some other ways.

If it's a creators delusion by all means, we can hate it or understand it or who the audience is, themselves or others?

If Youtubers/online creators (WHICH NO ONE FOCUSES ON HILARIOUSLY you people picking apart my comment XD, use your brains please) then yeah that is what companies don't that those people DO to further the point of westerners trying to have that flexibility of themes, artstyles, character designs, etc. that companies don't.

I mean I ignore mainstream music, I could go that far with tv/films yet I don't. That's on ME. I don't let an algorithm or companies present media to me I seek my own out of music, games, books, etc. taste. Many being similar just happens but if they are different enough or appealing enough I will experience them. it's that simple. I don't complain about every show I see in front of me.

Compare that to anime and yes, you see your BIG IPS THAT SELL WELL and TRENDS TOO FOLLOW, like no duh that happens with anything in business.

But if you aren't looking at on streaming, other sources official/otherwise, lists, top 10s, etc. they are out there such niche series that go more safe, or more suitable and others not.

That's on YOU, not the creator/company. YOU seek it out, or YOU let an algorithm do it for you? Exactly.

If I choose to use wikipedia/MAL to find my anime, games, books, music, etc. that's on me. Yet people don't and complain. That's on them not seeking things out. If I choose to make a search on MAL, put 1 one in and see tons of results as it's a typical word commonly used, I can pick any of those anime and manga. It is pointless to do so, but I can if I go oh those come up, the art looks appealing, the descriptions do, etc. All because I put 1 word in an anime/manga title into MAL. If I use techniques as stupid as that and find shows there is no excuse.

I experience a lot of anime, manga, games, books, etc. not for me, but I have an open mind as well. XD I can go oh that's suited to that audience or oh that's how they went about that then immediately cut something off. Oh that's oh those crime show or romcom tropes are for example then not knowing much on the outside.

But I look at STRUCTURE, I do music sound design, I do game design, I do narrative tricks for books/tv shows, etc. I don't have to be a creator of those mediums to do that. I just care about the behind the scenes. Most don't and they don't have to either. But it explains why culturally or what ideas the creator came to those conclusions.



I mean I look at how some trends are. In gaming I am buying all the shooters, platformers and racing games of the PS1 to 3 era or 5-7th gen because they were more experimental, their mechanics hook me immediately, their pacing/design decisions made sense. Nowadays nah, too much nostalgia, not close enough design in areas and they don't cover up their skills.

Is that me being jaded to prefer prior design versus new, no, I just think the other showcased things more and the current era of AAA, AA, Indies, whether gaming or not can be empty at times, it's just gaming i see it more and anime/western tv I see the themes/story and direction differently.

I mean Log Horizon early episodes fan service jokes/2 times end of first S1, rewatching it on the blu-rays I was like yeah fair, still most of it didn't have it either.

While to me some anime jokes or gags I don't mind, some tropes i don't mind. Others may not.

So some trends, tropes, etc. do go a bit far to be terrible.

I don't like soulslikes but in gaming they or puzzle or adventure games are doing amazing things, but I'm not experiencing all of them or some of those trends/sub trends.

I think reverse isekai are better then regular isekai, I think some of the isekai ideas are good, and some are bizarre and not in a good way whilst others are.

I mean like the vending machine one or the bowling one, I could make up some stupid one too, but at the same time, what are they adding.

I think about gameplay with games and could do this fits gameplay wise, the world is utterly bizzare but people don't understand on a normal level what I'm going for. I think the same applies there. Sure many are that stupid of isekai ideas no doubt but i mean, you don't see the west going oh lets have go karting through dimensions or a theme park to build in the 1500s do you?

It would be like a side thing of traveling through time or something to make sense, or a one off moment. Not that is the premise is evolving or randomly putting things in odd places. Sure in a sci-fi show about messing with time it would like Doctor Who S6 had things in history being messy and out of order of those alive, dead, and renamed, but I mean your not seeing it to the extent of the bowling in early points in history kind of silliness are you? That's the point.

There is a point to making sense sure, but sometimes something dumb and fun is worth it then 'making sense'. I don't need it to be realistic to be immersive, but for some people it does. That's the point.

I hate realism, I don't want to play realistic, I don't want worlds to be realistic, but for some people it has to be or it's too strange for people and they are put off by it.




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Even then to me seeing the why anime is weird (Many out there but I like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZDb3OSBylg ) or any other types of videos it makes sense why character designs and use of eyes, hair, hairstyle, personality tropes, etc. are the way they are per medium or culture, production reasons, etc.

Some cultural things can be adapted for sure. Or you can have the westerner perspective type stuff. It's why I'm excited for Rental Family https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rental+family+trailer (pick a trailer/channel, any one), taking a western actor and putting them in a culturally different setting and going we can showcase this stuff. It may be live action but it's still an interesting insight, same with many others that have done the same in the past it's just a modern example of that.

Do we need a western actor or live action for it no. I mean in some cases sure I've read the other rental girlfriend/others type manga, I've seen the videos on rental families, but most people think Rent A Girlfriend so I mean, that's on audiences not creators. But then again how much do you explain/look at and go ah I see why we have these similar to a nanny or butler or whatever.

How much do we need to go into maid cafes, host clubs, etc.

Or I guess just the more slice of life eastern countries have then western slice of life, dramas or sitcoms.

Besides the artstyle, animation, etc. expectations as well.

Or business side of things.

Some things can be conveyed/explained others not.

Some things can be tone, word play, transfer student, whatever the case or fair across any human experience, it just varies. Not just 'oh this is a big IP, dress it up to be more western even though it was already appealing to those in the west, easily understood, and less weird'. But nope.

The west nowadays doesn't want to take risks so they have to split off to others that will offer those particular types of films/tv shows that can be made with those groups of people/studios.

Anime just does whatever it wants, manga does whatever it wants, visual novels, games, etc. Sure many IPs do stay around but do end also. In the west many either are very big or cut off too soon and only so much in-between gets a pass.

Western media used to experiment but over time as they got bigger, needed the budget, wanted particular things and just got safer. It's why we see very particular films or tv shows in the Indie or other space, or we see online content by those creatives on various platforms these days.

Even if Eastern media does have it's particular angle too of strictness and top IPs as well, the West I think does more so. Like if they struggle to find a place for it they try another time later or put it into other media entirely to still use it

he west can do that but I don't think so as often, but it varies.

If that was the case the market wouldn't get dominated by repetitive and overwhelmingly similar stuff like high school romcoms, generic isekais, same old battle shounens and CGDCT season after season.

This is proof that the industry mostly finances anime that are guaranteed to make profit thanks to the consumer fanbase that is largely made of male teenagers. It's no coincidence we barely get any sci-fi or space anime these days, or any anime with adult protagonists really that don't look like a high school girl or college student.

And there is also the fact censorship is visibly in effect in the modern anime especially compared to the previous decades.

So, I don't think we can really say "Anime just does whatever it wants".

I've always wondered why most manga artists and anime writers don't transfer their protagonists to a world inspired by the Mayan/Aztec, Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians civilization or a psychedelic World Rather than yet another Medieval Europe Reimagined?

I've always wondered why most manga artists and anime writers don't transfer their protagonists to a world inspired by the Mayan/Aztec, Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians civilization or a psychedelic World Rather than yet another Medieval Europe Reimagined?

I've always wondered why most manga artists and anime writers don't transfer their protagonists to a world inspired by the Mayan/Aztec, Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians civilization or a psychedelic World Rather than yet another Medieval Europe Reimagined?

This is why the Italian TIM network is more important for my region than the international Fastweb

It's rarely pure medieval Europe, but often an amalgamation of all kinds of European eras. So many "medieval" isekai has renaissance era housing for example. And even within the medieval period itself there are massive differences since it lasted for a long time and the things warriors would wear and carry as well as the buildings and how the systems of governance worked changed a lot during that time period

@stefanoiulli1999 They can do whatever they want, it's not fixing the actual issue, which is a lack of real imagination. Medieval European settings are not the problem. How Japanese writers usually interact with those settings is the problem...

The reason they go back to Medieval Europe, is their thoughts are largely only consumed by otaku media, and video games, which have had those influences.....like I may hate him however, Miyazaki is right in this regard. That is also why their Medieval European settings suck. GRRM got inspiration from a variety of events such as the War of the Roses, to the French Wars of Religion etc to compose his world. I mean A Song of Ice and Fire has issues, it still does possess an interesting world, because there is this depth, you will rarely find in many anime/manga.

Fantasy.... in my personal opinion, needs a historical/cultural background/lens, if you intend to base your fantasy world off some sort of culture/historical setting. Unless you plan to do absurdist/contemporary fantasy, then yeah it's always beneficial.

seriously?
japan is an island country they are different, fundamentally.
japan has a unique history in many ways.
a lot of things being different=different results.
besides you have it backwards, japanese media has been influenced by western media, it's always been this way save for a few things.
I stumble into star wars references all the time.
then you have hollywood's unfiltered hateboner for anime.
pray they don't touch and westernize them more they already had.

Except there is no such thing afaik.

@JoeChip I heard it just recently that they consider all anime to be "weird cartoon porn" at the very least they look down on it.

edit: source is here.
https://animecorner.me/crunchyroll-producer-hollywood-anime-perception/

@stefanoiulli1999 Well you can say that (not that I have enough context by the Italian TIM network so I can't comment on that) but I was generalising. Of course what you know is completely fair there.

It depends how much they all, restrict, etc. Compared to how much you see online or how older western media or whatever the case of laws, cultural standards, etc. I can't speak on those as I don't know Italy anywhere enough of strictness or flexibility for media.

But you do make a very good point, so I do think your comment is totally fair on that. :)

There is a reason I reference high school DXD placed in mobile games rather then a 5th season in a later comment (as some people have done videos on that). Censorship or different placement for using the iP? A business decision still.

Not everything has to be a Vinland Saga or others. Westerners with their expectations and tropes they are used to mentality. Besides country laws/media presentation flexibility/limits.

Very Japanese creativity can be crazy and strange at first but makes sense in context or others that are more understandable.

It's up to the creatives, if Youtube animators do their thing, many western ones go far further then western professional production companies/leadership will right?

I mean kids shows in the west vary while teen/adult shows showcase what they do of themes, blood/gore/and more. I mean to me western video games push the themes/story/graphics and the gameplay is so basic it makes me go oh so the themes and menus huh, wow, while tv shows can vary more. So to me kids games or games not caring how dark they are, still can offer the gameplay while tv shows/films do their things well enough.

Also it varies per western fans, many of us will still enjoy a Japanese context heavy show, others don't and stick to whatever they watched of the west.

I can still watch a fan service show, a comedy, a drama, a whatever high school set or job/college setting anime and not care, I don't always take the themes or setting seriously, if the dialogue is enjoyable enough I'm there.

Same with games at this point.

Not everything is whatever they watched prior of western media and if into action or otherwise whatever sci fi, fantasy, crime, mystery, super hero etc. and ignoring all the Japanese romcom/drama/other tropes of those or just not those genres at all, or to their specific H anime/others preferences.

I mean I can say a bunch of game ideas but people would be like what are you talking about. Because I'd be going too gameplay design deep and not 'this is believeable enough of a world for immersion'. Because to me worlds and characters designs or dialogue isn't important to me there. Having games not be dumbed down or realistic, as I'm not immersed, I'm immersed in gameplay, not motion controls that are horrible to use trying to mimic real hand/arm gestures when pointing at a menu is a pain in the button and can be a area to stand in, why we don't need promixity audio in a story based game as it's annoying and hard to hear the characters talk, or other nonsense down grades of character movesets and boring worlds design.

In tv shows/books it's different, whatever themes, worlds, dialogue, etc. that's appealing. If Japan wants to have a random moment of a

I mean watching Star Trek Strange New Worlds S3 I was like oh a simulation of a crime scene episode, oh a documentary format episodes. Many could be just filler but I mean sometimes those fun angles are worth it then just a serious story all the time. If they structure the show to have a particular deeper story they may do at the start or they may do other

you ever played a point-and-click adventure game? This type of video game offers a lot in terms of narrative compared to a platformer or a first-person shooter (even if the latter has a plot but for the rest it is only gameplay.)

This is why I love the Broken Sword saga. And the Midnight Scenes games.

@stefanoiulli1999 Yes I have played a few, but they aren't my type of game, either too complex or don't hold my attention (not that I need an action focus at all or split second reaction time stuff) the puzzles while good are too much for me to wrap my head around, while other puzzle games I do enjoy, mostly those 3D ones where you walk around or control an object as the player. My favourites are for PS1 or PSP.

So I enjoy the odd Visual Novel or Puzzle game here and there. Or City builders/other management games. Sims 1 to 3.

I have tried Monkey Island remakes of 1 and 2 on 360, was too complex for me.

I have Syberia trilogy on Switch but got the 3rd game on Xbox One and it was a fair time I just have to put more into it.

I have a few on DS but not gotten around to them as much. Secret Files 2 I have on DS, wishlisted the others on Switch but not gotten them.

I have heard of Broken Sword but never played them (same with Kings Quest and many others as I try to do my research of old and modern era things in gaming and across many genres), I haven't the Midnight Scene series though, that's a new one to me.

I did try the demo of Trust No One but didn't get anywhere with it.

I think I used to play Freddy Fish back in the day (of course kid friendly ones by Humongus Entertainment are on modern platforms these days), but otherwise I've not really gotten into point n clicks really.

Visual Novels (graphic adventures), while are no where near the scale of a point n click are probably the closest I've gotten to the genre. I haven't played any text adventures either. I don't play hidden object games really either.

seriously?
japan is an island country they are different, fundamentally.
japan has a unique history in many ways.
a lot of things being different=different results.
besides you have it backwards, japanese media has been influenced by western media, it's always been this way save for a few things.
I stumble into star wars references all the time.
then you have hollywood's unfiltered hateboner for anime.
pray they don't touch and westernize them more they already had.

@NS2D I mean yeah....technically (and this is true of DnD too), "Medieval European settings" are largely just Late Medieval/Early Modern history. Like the kinds of plate armour you usually see in "fantasy" media would only be seen in periods we consider "the Renaissance" which your average person, doesn't associate with the Middle Ages (even though it encompasses a lot of the late Medieval period).

You have settings that throw in random Victorian stuff, since that is what Japan is obsessed with...Personally I would love more "Medieval European" stories that do Late Antiquity/Early Medieval history. I do love Late Medieval history; however, that period is very underrepresented, even in Western media.

Yeah, by the time you get to the Hundred Years War both England and France had massive bureaucratic machines, largely composed of educated individuals....that is a very different circumstance to say Merovingian France. It's 1000 years of history, and that is we have further breakdowns because there are major variances through those 1000 years.

Why are they so obsessed with this time period?