Crunchyroll & Now Netflix Both Confirm Anime Sub Watchers Are the Minority on Their Platforms

@ComeInReiAsuka gurren lagann has gay character too and that show was so popular back then and it did not diminish its manly theme

@WaterMage india and china are one of the growing economies and potentially become few of the biggest so obviously capitalists like the anime industry will want to enter their markets and to do that they will censor or make tamer shows just to appeal to their laws and cultures

@deg are you even reading 😂
Just repeating same lines making me question am I just wasting time with a bot.

@ComeInReiAsuka u took the L and dont even know it!! lol

anything u say is just your false narrative


for every one of your "gay" anime as u put it...there was countless more of the normal main stream stuff

but there is something for everyone i wont dispute that

@ktg I always maintain fuck CCP , they are literally against creativity. That's why I will never ever watch a single Chinese product.


I remember Texas banning every Loli media

Go watch hollywood since 2016

@six20 im sure netflix and crunchyroll have internal data about any subscribers of theirs

also the highest downloaded anime on nyaa do not even get 1 million downloads

@WaterMage How is the conservative Texas relevant? If anything, they are against "woke values". Or banning loli content is "woke" and somehow Texas became "woke"? :D

And how is 2016 relevant? It doesn't matter which year we look at, because "woke" simply doesn't exist. On the otherand, woke exists, but it's more than 100 years old and normal human beings are woke, because it means you are not racist.
Btw, I watch a lot of stuff from Hollywood and no, there's still no "woke" there.

@WaterMage well i keep repeating since youre in complete denial of how the markets work

@deg well I also repeated there is no need to be tame for anime to appeal to more Indian audiance except experimenting with Hinduism.

@deg Netflix still can not be counted in my book, it is a general streaming service, not an anime one.

Are you telling me that a small 2% of dub watchers in Crunchyroll outweigh the entirety of the high seas? I am doubtful because you mention their sample size of 1000. If the margin of error is around 3-4%, does that not make Crunchyroll just 50-50 realistically? Get another sample of 1000, and subs might be the 52%.

I acknowledge dub-watchers as a significant demographic, but subs are also a large demographic so ignoring that would be dumb, not to mention subs are cheaper than dubs if only you do not need another voice actor. So ultimately, I don't see subs dying anytime soon.

@six20 this data is about paying customers and we already know the pareto principle that says only few paying customers makes up the majority of a companies profit anyway so yes majority of anime fans are pirates but only the few will dictate the supply and demand of future anime and that is those that votes with their wallet

again im talking in an informal manner here so do not take my claim that subs will die sooner or later as some literal thing so i know exceptions to the rule exist

@deg I thought the impression was the opposite, many pirate but those who pirate and pay, pay handsomely. Those who are streaming, probably will not go beyond that.

Yes people who buy subscriptions probably make up the majority of paying customers, but those who go beyond that, have a significant demographic against streaming services such as Crunchyroll and Netflix. If we are playing the money game, I genuinely don't see the point of bringing up streaming numbers, we want whale numbers, blu-ray numbers, figure numbers but of course that plus demographic data probably does not exist anywhere.

@six20 we got data on that google "aja anime industry report" like this recent one https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2025-01-08/aja-anime-industry-grew-by-14.3-percent-to-new-record-high-in-2023/.219656

so yes legal anime streaming profit is big even the japanese are starting to pay for streaming more

@deg well I also repeated there is no need to be tame for anime to appeal to more Indian audiance except experimenting with Hinduism.

@deg That plays into my point though, merchandise is still massive and still growing but slower 4.45 billion USD merch in domestic Japan vs 1.58 billion USD streaming in domestic Japan. Worldwide merch is 14.3 billion USD vs 5.436 billion USD in streaming.

They are the small demographic, but make up a disproportionate amount of money for the industry. We would want data on what would scare them off, because streaming can only get so big.

@six20

>streaming's 51.4% growth
>merchandise's 4.7% growth

im more focusing on growth though and im sure with how japan economy is slowing down that merchandise sales will become less in the future

but sure merchandise profit are still bigger globally than streaming profit

@WaterMage also anime will not be exclusively made for the japanese market sooner or later heck its starting with anime like lazarus especially that aja anime industry reports that foreign markets are more profitable than the domestic market aka japan now

@WaterMage look youre focusing too much on india while im explaining the global market as a whole if china influences the anime industry to censor more ecchi or make anime tamer then obviously even india and heck even indian anime pirates will be affected too

@deg yes very successful animes like Lazarus & Uzumaki

@WaterMage Lazarus’ early reviews and mixed viewer reception suggested doom for the new series from the outset. However, as the series settled into its second half, not only did many viewers change their opinion of the show, but it consistently landed in the top 10 on the streaming charts for HBO MAX in America, as well as in the top 10 on Netflix in Japan. This may be at least partially why, in a recent live-streamed two-hour interview following the release of Lazarus’ finale, Watanabe revealed that his new anime could very well get a second season. https://www.cbr.com/lazarus-season-2-shinichiro-watanabe-comment/

There are anime with no Japanese dub option on netflix... I don't care for that fight between sub and dub but at least don't present stats without that hugely important context

@Guilmon1

There's a few dub only shows on Crunchyroll as well actually. Yu-Gi-Oh ZeXal is one of the big ones that stands out there as it is the only show in the franchise that is on Crunchyroll without the Japanese version available as an option

lol no it was'nt ...it was very niche and fringe



its way more prominent now bc of the v-tubing & girly twitch streamer trend & some wokeness creeping thru

prominent anime in the early 2000s was gritty, dark, mature & masculine still riding the wave of success from the 80s & 90s golden age

@ItachiDeltaForce I just wanted to thank you for again proving that both sides of the culture wars hate anime, love localizers, and want to change anime to fit their agenda. Some people claim that only the left-wing culture warriors do this, but you illustrate that the right-wing culture warriors do this too.

@ktg -woke doesn't exist is next level coping

You are not above the culture war dude lol. You embrace it just as much as he does.

Lol no they don't. Look at how many "hardcore" fans on here who admit to never spending a dime. Tons. Again, the whole noble pirate ideal is just that. Most people pirate cause they don't have money or don't want to spend it. It's why I usually pirated in the past. Now it largely is just due to "I can't get access to this niche old show" however, there are times where I am just like...do I want to buy the BD to this show? Nah...do I want to subscribe to another service? Nah. And I am a paying customer who does buy physical media, and supports anime through legal streaming.

This assumption is based on some loaded argument, that pirates regularly spend $500 on expensive figures. I guarantee you, those kinds of fans are a small small tiny minority. It also assumes that people who spend money on CR don't spend money on anything else, and that really isn't true. Deg isn't wrong that, at the end of the day, the kinds of fans pirates on here derided, matter more, than themselves, to Japanese production companies.

Also you literally can go and look at AJA data. We don't know the breakdown on international money, in terms of where it's directed however, we know which regions are spending the most, and how much it makes up the industry now (half). Within Japan, we do know where the profit is coming from, and physical BD sales are garbage now, streaming has taken over. Merch is still doing strong though.

@deg They're using rotten tomatoes to decide the user reception - tell me when was the last time anyone gave a shit about rotten tomatoes for an anime?



Too small sample size to be meaningful
Meanwhile, here is MAL's score progression of the show - yeah real turn around in viewer opinion /s




The only thing consistent about Lazarus was its score dropping every week

You are not above the culture war dude lol. You embrace it just as much as he does.

Lol no they don't. Look at how many "hardcore" fans on here who admit to never spending a dime. Tons. Again, the whole noble pirate ideal is just that. Most people pirate cause they don't have money or don't want to spend it. It's why I usually pirated in the past. Now it largely is just due to "I can't get access to this niche old show" however, there are times where I am just like...do I want to buy the BD to this show? Nah...do I want to subscribe to another service? Nah. And I am a paying customer who does buy physical media, and supports anime through legal streaming.

This assumption is based on some loaded argument, that pirates regularly spend $500 on expensive figures. I guarantee you, those kinds of fans are a small small tiny minority. It also assumes that people who spend money on CR don't spend money on anything else, and that really isn't true. Deg isn't wrong that, at the end of the day, the kinds of fans pirates on here derided, matter more, than themselves, to Japanese production companies.

Also you literally can go and look at AJA data. We don't know the breakdown on international money, in terms of where it's directed however, we know which regions are spending the most, and how much it makes up the industry now (half). Within Japan, we do know where the profit is coming from, and physical BD sales are garbage now, streaming has taken over. Merch is still doing strong though.

@deg majority what they stop releasing subs why? It's just not efficient. Even among CR they know about 30-40% only watch subs they just won't lose that audiance for free aren't they.

And worse in how? Does China India push woke values, does China India ban Lolis, does China & India watch dubs more than subs? And the Indian influence on Anime have to one of the biggest myth lol. It's still a very very niche entertainment for Indians. There are people who only watch 1-2 battle shounens but I won't be counting them as "anime fans". Also they don't pay for services. FYI pirating is the norm here. China idk sure more Donghua gets released but if you don't like it ignore they ain't hampering anime production arnt they?

I did not know, I did not exist and am only an ideal. I also have to tell that to my brother who is the same.

I am simply not into streaming legally just as a streaming service. Tie that streaming service to an amazon prime and twitch subscription so I can support my favorite streamer, then I'm good :P Actually if that is good, does that make me legal? Regardless of the case I still think streaming service and the data they provide to push a subs vs dubs argument is not valid.

As for Japanese production companies, sure make your decision to cut subs over streaming data, go crazy, if profit is all you care about and ignore people like me (I know Amazon prime never asked me if I preferred subs or dubs). It won't change my belief on the invalidity of using streaming data to make drastic business decisions like whether something should be translated subbed only, dubbed only or both (my preference).

Merch and BDs to me are the same, even if they are not classified as such btw, owning something physical to remember a special show. They may not classify it as such, but hey it is their numbers.

@ItachiDeltaForce I just wanted to thank you for again proving that both sides of the culture wars hate anime, love localizers, and want to change anime to fit their agenda. Some people claim that only the left-wing culture warriors do this, but you illustrate that the right-wing culture warriors do this too.

@WaterMage Do you just totally misunderstand what people mean by woke? China and India are both conservative countries, if something is woke they want nothing to do with it. Banning lolis isn't woke, if anything that's conservative. Texas also banning lolis further reinforces the fact that people who want things to stay the same way and want all minorities to either not exist or do hard labour for little pay are also the people who want things to be banned. Texas loves a book banning, so does China. China has laws against showing gay people in media and BL manhua and donghua have to keep things ambiguous to stay under the radar.

OT: I'm not surprised that more of the casual fans would be dub watchers, but subs are a lot cheaper to make than dubs so it wouldn't make financial sense to stop offering them.

Post-covid anime fanbase consists mostly of american normies so it's not really surprising. Why would they watch the most generic battle shonen subbed?