ColourWheel said: If one does not know what they are doing it can be a head ache I would imagine. But anyone with a basic electronics education can do so if they understand stuff like ohm's law and using an accurate volt meter. It's because one will have to measure every component to see how accurate it is. As an example if you have a resistor that is 100k ohms it's not always going to be 100k ohms. It could be +/- 5 to 10 percent of it's written value. One also has to determine if the value of the original component that is being replaced was accurate to begin with as well where you need to do some calculations if stuff doesn't initially end up working at 1st. Replacing things like a head drum and motors are pretty much straight forward. One can just go to a place like Radio Shack and personally order equivalent component that are needed. You just have to make sure you are ordering the right parts so you will have to do research online and find the serial numbers of each thing you are trying to replace then find a place you can order them if they are even still being made anymore. I was just lucky the parts I needed were still being made or I would have had to resort to buying another VCR that used the same parts just to scavenge them. At that point if your only looking for just a few parts might as well just buy a new VCR that works. lol Ah I see, thanks. I didn't really consider some of the off values being a factor. Radio Shack barely exists these days and arent what they used to be. Would be nice if there were more physical shops you can just pick up parts from. |
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ColourWheel said:
Reminds me of a copy of "Slayers" that an acquaintance of mine ripped off the internet and told me they didn't enjoy the Anime at all. I got a preview of the series he ripped off the internet and it was dogshit quality and completely unacceptable for a person like me to even sit down and torture myself to watch.
Reminds me of a copy of "Slayers" that an acquaintance of mine ripped off the internet and told me they didn't enjoy the Anime at all. I got a preview of the series he ripped off the internet and it was dogshit quality and completely unacceptable for a person like me to even sit down and torture myself to watch.
I knew a guy that intentionally chose to watch G Gundam like this:
Instead of like this:
| @thewiru um I'd prefer the 1st one too. The 2nd one looks like it's blown-up or something. There's no way that's the OG quality lol. |
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Imo, 1: Be OK with bad animation
2: Be OK with slow pacing
3: Remember that what you now think of as a cliche wasn't actually a cliche back in the day.
I succeed at 1 but 2 and 3 are deal breakers for me so I'm not an old anime enjoyer unfortunately. But good luck to you!
2: Be OK with slow pacing
3: Remember that what you now think of as a cliche wasn't actually a cliche back in the day.
I succeed at 1 but 2 and 3 are deal breakers for me so I'm not an old anime enjoyer unfortunately. But good luck to you!
| @MedK001 1. thats bullshit 2. thats bullshit 3. yeah, thats bullshit 4. theres way way more to retro anime than neon genesis and gurren lagann (which seems to be popular with new gen noobs) 5. keep watching your hunter trash hunter and what ever slop isekai cgdct wish fufillment dog shit is popular this week 6. 3 years and u will burnout and quit bc of seasonal slavery 7. realize just how much time was wasted watching such vomit 8. no one will care, then starts the teen angsty self loathing 9. mummy & daddy will pressure u to do something with your life 10. no one will care 11. you were a casual tourist all along 12. its back to tik tok you go 13. no one will care 5,6,7,8 & 12 are the phases of modern "fans" |
ItachiDeltaForceJan 5, 11:27 PM
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@MedK001
1. thats bullshit
2. thats bullshit
3. yeah, thats bullshit
4. theres way way more to retro anime than neon genesis and gurren lagann (which seems to be popular with new gen noobs)
5. keep watching your hunter trash hunter and what ever slop isekai cgdct wish fufillment dog shit is popular this week
6. 3 years and u will burnout and quit bc of seasonal slavery
7. realize just how much time was wasted watching such vomit
8. no one will care, then starts the teen angsty self loathing
9. mummy & daddy will pressure u to do something with your life
10. no one will care
11. you were a casual tourist all along
12. its back to tik tok you go
13. no one will care
5,6,7,8 & 12 are the phases of modern "fans"
1. thats bullshit
2. thats bullshit
3. yeah, thats bullshit
4. theres way way more to retro anime than neon genesis and gurren lagann (which seems to be popular with new gen noobs)
5. keep watching your hunter trash hunter and what ever slop isekai cgdct wish fufillment dog shit is popular this week
6. 3 years and u will burnout and quit bc of seasonal slavery
7. realize just how much time was wasted watching such vomit
8. no one will care, then starts the teen angsty self loathing
9. mummy & daddy will pressure u to do something with your life
10. no one will care
11. you were a casual tourist all along
12. its back to tik tok you go
13. no one will care
5,6,7,8 & 12 are the phases of modern "fans"
| @ItachiDeltaForce I mean, if we're considering 2007 anime as retro, then I already watch a lot of retro anime. I'm technically also not a seasonal slave, since I only watched 11 2024 anime, and one of them was a 7 minute claymation short. So I'm guess I'm on the right direction? |
| "What are the pre-requisites to liking old anime?" 1. Be able to embrace different aesthetics and visual storytelling techniques than the ones you are used to. 2. Expect different pacing, tropes and writing formats for outlining the story and characterization. 3. Be aware that those shows were made in different times and eventually you are missing some context, for example the ganguro makeup is not meant to be offensive. Even the meaning of some the words can be different (well not anime, but for example the changes of the meaning of the word "faggot" has banned wrongfully the song Money For Nothing from Dire Straits, so don't be too fast to judge such stuff). 4. Be aware to tolerate some sexism and racism...but yeah, there are anime which go strait stupid with that, so maybe don't be too tolerant and drop those. |
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ColourWheel said:
If one does not know what they are doing it can be a head ache I would imagine. But anyone with a basic electronics education can do so if they understand stuff like ohm's law and using an accurate volt meter. It's because one will have to measure every component to see how accurate it is. As an example if you have a resistor that is 100k ohms it's not always going to be 100k ohms. It could be +/- 5 to 10 percent of it's written value. One also has to determine if the value of the original component that is being replaced was accurate to begin with as well where you need to do some calculations if stuff doesn't initially end up working at 1st.
Replacing things like a head drum and motors are pretty much straight forward. One can just go to a place like Radio Shack and personally order equivalent component that are needed. You just have to make sure you are ordering the right parts so you will have to do research online and find the serial numbers of each thing you are trying to replace then find a place you can order them if they are even still being made anymore. I was just lucky the parts I needed were still being made or I would have had to resort to buying another VCR that used the same parts just to scavenge them. At that point if your only looking for just a few parts might as well just buy a new VCR that works. lol
If one does not know what they are doing it can be a head ache I would imagine. But anyone with a basic electronics education can do so if they understand stuff like ohm's law and using an accurate volt meter. It's because one will have to measure every component to see how accurate it is. As an example if you have a resistor that is 100k ohms it's not always going to be 100k ohms. It could be +/- 5 to 10 percent of it's written value. One also has to determine if the value of the original component that is being replaced was accurate to begin with as well where you need to do some calculations if stuff doesn't initially end up working at 1st.
Replacing things like a head drum and motors are pretty much straight forward. One can just go to a place like Radio Shack and personally order equivalent component that are needed. You just have to make sure you are ordering the right parts so you will have to do research online and find the serial numbers of each thing you are trying to replace then find a place you can order them if they are even still being made anymore. I was just lucky the parts I needed were still being made or I would have had to resort to buying another VCR that used the same parts just to scavenge them. At that point if your only looking for just a few parts might as well just buy a new VCR that works. lol
Ah I see, thanks. I didn't really consider some of the off values being a factor.
Radio Shack barely exists these days and arent what they used to be. Would be nice if there were more physical shops you can just pick up parts from.
traed said: Ah I see, thanks. I didn't really consider some of the off values being a factor. This is important to measure stuff because I have encountered replacing components with the wrong values in the past. One time a resistor was completely color coded wrong that would make someone see it as a 1k ohm resistor when the component was actually measured to be 10k. Where if this is common enough throughout the circuitry one can potentially ruin the device completely when adding current through it. So even off values can make a difference in the long run. Usually resulting in the device not functioning at all if too little current is passing through it or too much current can fry multiple components within the circuitry and even potentially fry out the device completely. |
ColourWheelYesterday, 12:42 AM
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thewiru said: that's the most important thing actually. You should keep the expectations neutral. The same thing happens with a lot of those "overrated" or "overhyped" labelings. It's bcoz they expect sth before they even watch it.Well I WAS ABLE to do that with Macross in specific. Maybe perhaps because years before watching it, it's premise "broke" my expectations of what an old anime was thewiru said: again it's all about expectations. You already said it yourself that old anime tend to have simpler, direct stories and that Macross is simply a standout but that just shows how great Macross is not how mid the rest are.Well, that depends which: The rule of thumb is that most simply don't elicit any emotions from me. They don't make me hate them, they just don't make me... feel anything. Many of them seem to rely on "Hey, look at this cool idea" rather than making anything with it. And that's just the story btw whereas anime is MUCH more than just the story. thewiru said: Zeta just wasn't a good anime. No use mentioning it.Zeta Gundam is likely an exception thewiru said: it is. Guy's simply not a very good animaker but again just generally speaking not universally.That might just be Tomino thing |
TRC_RandyYesterday, 2:17 AM
| ? Liking them? thewiru said: When I say "old" here, I mean pre-2000's, for some reason my experiences with those usually end with them "not clicking" for me, with they just feeling "mid", with very rare exceptions. I mean that is pretty general and broad. I can't make a judgment for every old show you have watched though it might just be what you picked. I mean I didn't like series like Cutie Honey either. Zeta Gundam I do enjoy, however it's very flawed. Honestly might just be a show choice thing. I would say that it helps to like sci fi and mecha, to really get into older anime. I also mainly grew up with 2000s digital anime however, I had an affinity for older cell shade American cartoons, which made it easy to appreciate older animation, at least I think so. That is about it. I mean I like to encourage fans to try out older anime, however, there are valid reasons to prefer "modern" or "older" anime or straight up write off certain decades. I wouldn't push it if you just can't find a lot of stuff worth watching. For me, someone starving for good sci fi, getting into pre 2000s anime was a blessing. @RainyEvenings if you're going to appreciate old anime, you need an open mind for those vintage vibes, have patience for those slow-burn plots, some knowledge of historical context to savor the Japanese cultural richness, a taste for details and storytelling, and an appreciation for the hand-drawn artistry that makes these retro anime style timeless. A degree of snobishness helps some fans too I suppose. |
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? Liking them?
I mean that is pretty general and broad. I can't make a judgment for every old show you have watched though it might just be what you picked. I mean I didn't like series like Cutie Honey either. Zeta Gundam I do enjoy, however it's very flawed. Honestly might just be a show choice thing.
I would say that it helps to like sci fi and mecha, to really get into older anime. I also mainly grew up with 2000s digital anime however, I had an affinity for older cell shade American cartoons, which made it easy to appreciate older animation, at least I think so.
That is about it.
I mean I like to encourage fans to try out older anime, however, there are valid reasons to prefer "modern" or "older" anime or straight up write off certain decades. I wouldn't push it if you just can't find a lot of stuff worth watching. For me, someone starving for good sci fi, getting into pre 2000s anime was a blessing.
@RainyEvenings
A degree of snobishness helps some fans too I suppose.
thewiru said:
When I say "old" here, I mean pre-2000's, for some reason my experiences with those usually end with them "not clicking" for me, with they just feeling "mid", with very rare exceptions.
When I say "old" here, I mean pre-2000's, for some reason my experiences with those usually end with them "not clicking" for me, with they just feeling "mid", with very rare exceptions.
I mean that is pretty general and broad. I can't make a judgment for every old show you have watched though it might just be what you picked. I mean I didn't like series like Cutie Honey either. Zeta Gundam I do enjoy, however it's very flawed. Honestly might just be a show choice thing.
I would say that it helps to like sci fi and mecha, to really get into older anime. I also mainly grew up with 2000s digital anime however, I had an affinity for older cell shade American cartoons, which made it easy to appreciate older animation, at least I think so.
That is about it.
I mean I like to encourage fans to try out older anime, however, there are valid reasons to prefer "modern" or "older" anime or straight up write off certain decades. I wouldn't push it if you just can't find a lot of stuff worth watching. For me, someone starving for good sci fi, getting into pre 2000s anime was a blessing.
@RainyEvenings
if you're going to appreciate old anime, you need an open mind for those vintage vibes, have patience for those slow-burn plots, some knowledge of historical context to savor the Japanese cultural richness, a taste for details and storytelling, and an appreciation for the hand-drawn artistry that makes these retro anime style timeless.
A degree of snobishness helps some fans too I suppose.
BilboBaggins365 said: I would say that it helps to like sci fi and mecha, to really get into older anime. I thought I didn't like SF, but it turns out I just dislike mainstream SF like Bladerunner and Ghost in the Shell. I still don't consider myself a mecha fan. Of course there's a lot more retro anime than just mecha and SF, but it seems the mecha are more likely to be translated. |
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BilboBaggins365 said:
I would say that it helps to like sci fi and mecha, to really get into older anime.
I would say that it helps to like sci fi and mecha, to really get into older anime.
I thought I didn't like SF, but it turns out I just dislike mainstream SF like Bladerunner and Ghost in the Shell.
I still don't consider myself a mecha fan. Of course there's a lot more retro anime than just mecha and SF, but it seems the mecha are more likely to be translated.
| @Lucifrost I mean the traditional big 3 genres, rom coms, battle shonen and sports anime will be big in any decade. When you subtract that, the vast majority of stuff left over is sci fi/mecha. Slice of Life, while "exists" doesn't really get established until later in the 2000s and fantasy isn't anywhere near as common as it is now. I mean I prefer it that way because I think anime/manga writes sci fi way better than fantasy, at least typical high fantasy. Also what do you mean by "mainstream SF"? |
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@ItachiDeltaForce uhhh what the fuck? Did you reply to the wrong person? You praised a comment that said nearly the same thing I did
I'm on your side here laddie. Most old anime is simply not for me. I was thinking stuff like Legend of the Galactic Heroes and the average old shounen like Yu Yu Hakusho or Fist of the North Star. I'm sure they're great, but the shounen ones were not for me and I didn't like them after watching plenty of their episodes. I'm still going to watch LotGH sooner or later but the animation HAS been a bit of a hurdle. It's just how the medium works.
I've been at this for 15 years, I've never used TikTok and any glance at my profile page will tell you half of your points don't apply at all.
I salute you for the fight against annoying ass touristy types, but this is friendly fire right here LOL
I'm on your side here laddie. Most old anime is simply not for me. I was thinking stuff like Legend of the Galactic Heroes and the average old shounen like Yu Yu Hakusho or Fist of the North Star. I'm sure they're great, but the shounen ones were not for me and I didn't like them after watching plenty of their episodes. I'm still going to watch LotGH sooner or later but the animation HAS been a bit of a hurdle. It's just how the medium works.
I've been at this for 15 years, I've never used TikTok and any glance at my profile page will tell you half of your points don't apply at all.
I salute you for the fight against annoying ass touristy types, but this is friendly fire right here LOL
| @MedK001 there is a reboot of lotgh by production i.g which i thought was brilliant ..check it out if u dont want to slog thru the old og version https://myanimelist.net/anime/31433/Ginga_Eiyuu_Densetsu__Die_Neue_These_-_Kaikou?q=die%20nue&cat=anime |
ItachiDeltaForceYesterday, 1:49 PM
| You're missing the most important pre-requisite, which is to stop viewing old anime as some sort of high art that needs a "required reading" list before you can fully understand the meaning of it and you form The Correct Opinion that everyone else has. If you don't like it, you just don't like it. I don't know what else to tell you. |
| You need to have an open mind and have patience when watching older anime. Anime then is different to what it is now, so I wouldn't apply today's standards to older anime as that would be unfair as they are products of their own time. |
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You're missing the most important pre-requisite, which is to stop viewing old anime as some sort of high art that needs a "required reading" list before you can fully understand the meaning of it and you form The Correct Opinion that everyone else has.
If you don't like it, you just don't like it. I don't know what else to tell you.
If you don't like it, you just don't like it. I don't know what else to tell you.
| @terralia OK, but WHY can't I like it? Why can other people do it, but not me? |
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You need to have an open mind and have patience when watching older anime. Anime then is different to what it is now, so I wouldn't apply today's standards to older anime as that would be unfair as they are products of their own time.
| @_cjessop19_ What does that mean, though? |
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@_cjessop19_
What does that mean, though?
What does that mean, though?
| @thewiru Some people might think older anime is boring or not as good as anime is today because the animation isn't as fluid or bright or flashy and full of sakuga scenes as it is right now. Some people who start watching older shows might have that mindset going into it, and that somewhat ruins the experience for them. I'm saying don't go into those older shows with that mindset, otherwise you will ruin your enjoyment for yourself. There's also the slow pacing and the large episode count for many TV shows that you'll have to deal with as well. |
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@thewiru Some people might think older anime is boring or not as good as anime is today because the animation isn't as fluid or bright or flashy and full of sakuga scenes as it is right now. Some people who start watching older shows might have that mindset going into it, and that somewhat ruins the experience for them. I'm saying don't go into those older shows with that mindset, otherwise you will ruin your enjoyment for yourself. There's also the slow pacing and the large episode count for many TV shows that you'll have to deal with as well.
| @_cjessop19_ But the animation is fluid and is full of sakuga scenes, what are you talking about? |
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@_cjessop19_
But the animation is fluid and is full of sakuga scenes, what are you talking about?
But the animation is fluid and is full of sakuga scenes, what are you talking about?
| @thewiru For some shows or movies, yes, but you should probably watch a bunch more older anime as you clearly haven't experienced the full extent of how bad or basic animation can be in much older anime. |
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@Lucifrost I mean the traditional big 3 genres, rom coms, battle shonen and sports anime will be big in any decade. When you subtract that, the vast majority of stuff left over is sci fi/mecha. Slice of Life, while "exists" doesn't really get established until later in the 2000s and fantasy isn't anywhere near as common as it is now. I mean I prefer it that way because I think anime/manga writes sci fi way better than fantasy, at least typical high fantasy.
Also what do you mean by "mainstream SF"?
Also what do you mean by "mainstream SF"?
BilboBaggins365 said: Also what do you mean by "mainstream SF"? I mean the kind I hear other people talking about. I provided 2 examples. Anime comes in many more genres than what you listed. We don't get shows like World Masterpiece Theater anymore, and long-running magical girls used to be more varied than the yearly Precure. |
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| So much rubbish about what you're thinking about, your experience, feelings and intentions, my dude xD How could any of us answer these questions, on a platonic, random stanger asking you something - Level?? You used I/me 10x in this Post alone. Should you watch older Anime? Sure, who gives a fk. |
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BilboBaggins365 said:
Also what do you mean by "mainstream SF"?
Also what do you mean by "mainstream SF"?
I mean the kind I hear other people talking about. I provided 2 examples.
Anime comes in many more genres than what you listed. We don't get shows like World Masterpiece Theater anymore, and long-running magical girls used to be more varied than the yearly Precure.
| @Lucifrost Yeah I am just a bit confused what kinds of sci fi you like that differ from those. Anime comes in many more genres than what you listed. We don't get shows like World Masterpiece Theater anymore, and long-running magical girls used to be more varied than the yearly Precure. Fair, I wouldn't mind seeing more anime adaptions of classic Western novels again. Happy Anne of Green Gables is getting another look even if the 70s one was good. The magical girl genre, is one I need to breach into more. |
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@thewiru
But you did like it. You like Macross. It's never easy finding diamonds in the rough.
But you did like it. You like Macross. It's never easy finding diamonds in the rough.
| @Lucifrost At this point, I think I'll start to check MAL scores and see if I find any pattern. |
| Finding the old school 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s anime art styles, vibes, aesthetics, music, themes/genres, voice acting, etc. appealing and interesting, having a big enough curiosity about the kinds of anime content that were made back in the 90s and prior, and also just being an anime history enthusiast in general. Yep, that's pretty much about it, at least from what I can think of. |
Reply to ColourWheel
thewiru said:
(I've been thinking about making this thread for a while, and since people recently accused me of making a "old good, new bad" thread, I might as well...)
When I say "old" here, I mean pre-2000's, for some reason my experiences with those usually end with them "not clicking" for me, with they just feeling "mid", with very rare exceptions.
In the next months, I intend to go deeper into older anime, so I wanted to know if there are some form of pre-requisites that I seem to be missing here?
(I've been thinking about making this thread for a while, and since people recently accused me of making a "old good, new bad" thread, I might as well...)
When I say "old" here, I mean pre-2000's, for some reason my experiences with those usually end with them "not clicking" for me, with they just feeling "mid", with very rare exceptions.
In the next months, I intend to go deeper into older anime, so I wanted to know if there are some form of pre-requisites that I seem to be missing here?
Chances are unless you hunt down Anime released before the turn of the century on quality Official Physical copies, your experience will likely be subpar at best. Yes some Retro Anime gets remastered over the years on Blu-ray but even modern re-releases of "old" anime sometimes don't do them justice. Where the methods use to clean up media that was never intended to be digitally converted just ends up turning out looking like shit sometimes.
Reminds me of a copy of "Slayers" that an acquaintance of mine ripped off the internet and told me they didn't enjoy the Anime at all. I got a preview of the series he ripped off the internet and it was dogshit quality and completely unacceptable for a person like me to even sit down and torture myself to watch.
His opinion of the Anime changed dramatically once I let him borrow some Official DVD copies of the series and they ended up really loving it. Then later on I once invited him over to watch a few episodes on Japanese Laserdisc while we played a few games a pool, He found the Anime to look Amazing even if he couldn't understand what the characters were saying because the series on Japanese Laserdiscs does not include English subtitles.
Also most Anime released before the turn of the century doesn't look good at all on modern HDTVs or above. There have been on occasions I had to whip out an old 50" bulky CRT monitor just to fully enjoy an Anime the way it was meant to be. This was mostly due to only owning VHS copies of an Anime that were still in modestly decent condition considering they were all over 3 decades old and a few laserdiscs released in the 80s on the older Laserdisc formats due to their extremely limited video quality capabilities back then.
Though it could just be me. I tend to not waste my time on watching Anime at all if it's not in it's highest fidelity possible. Some people are obviously fine to waste their time just to try to experience retro Anime ripped off the internet. Makes me wonder how much people would still enjoy watching and praise modern Anime if it was all produced in standard definition and only ever released on analog formats. lol
| @ColourWheel You bring up a very valid point. There are so many dogshit pirates, it's hard to find decent copies out there, unless you can hunt down the original released DVDs. And I too have found a lot of "remasters" being more like remasturbations. Even licensed library copies from sites like CR can be poor. I think your example of Slayers is a perfect example. I own the original DVD box set and it still looks great. A few years back I saw a Blu-Ray remaster that hacked things so bad it was unwatchable. There are lots of other titles "from back in the day" that fall into the same hopeless mess. |
Reply to thewiru
@Lucifrost
At this point, I think I'll start to check MAL scores and see if I find any pattern.
At this point, I think I'll start to check MAL scores and see if I find any pattern.
| @thewiru Good luck. My own attempts to find such patterns ended in failure. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| The first thing you need to do to enjoy old anime is tell ol' Deathko what you enjoy, and she'll give you awesome rec- thewiru said: Here are the 80's/90's anime I watched and didn't like much (Most are around a 4-6/10): Akira Iria: Zeiram The Animation Cowboy Bebop Serial Experiments Lain Go sit in te corner and reflect upon what you just said 👉 More seriously, the comments regarding image quality are very much pertinent. Old anime was made before the digital era. This sounds like it's not that important, but it has two implications: - Old anime is not limited by definition. If it's well known and the cels are still around, someone will reshoot it in HD, 2K, 4K... This means my blu-ray of Akira and GitS on a giant ass modern screen absolutely CRUSH most modern anime. It's incredible to watch. - Old anime wasn't made with digital compression and modern screens in mind, and they both struggle with dark and desaturated images. The result is that lots of old anime you can stream look like a soup of giant unreadable blobs of dark pixels. The logical conclusion is that it's better to torrent old anime and take the best quality available, rather than stream some blurry ass disgusting 360p video. Cel animation is BEAUTIFUL, but lots of people will randomly blame digital artifacting and shit resolutions onto it. "It'S sO dArK" Yeah it's dark because dark looked awesome on old tech. Not cel animation's fault if dark looks ugly on current tech. I'd argue that modern anime is so vibrant and bright out of necessity. Some anime tried to emulate the old look in the early 2000s... Didn't turn out too well with 720p videos compressed on crappy DVDs... The other thing to keep in mind, is that it was a different era. Music and humor for example are vastly different from what you find in modern anime. Wether it's a good thing or not is a matter of personal taste. If you can't stand city pop and hate 80s anime humor, well... No amount of coaching from cool MAL users like myself 👍 will let you "get it". And it's not a matter of when you were born either. What's popular comes and goes, and sometimes you like it, sometimes you don't. What's currently popular in anime in terms of music and humor gives me a strong urge to bash my skull against a wall until death delivers me from this painful existence, so I don't stress it much, I don't watch modern anime. With this said, my offer to have a chat about what you like and want in your old anime still stands, so don't hesitate. |
DeathkoYesterday, 4:42 PM
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Reply to BilboBaggins365
@Lucifrost Yeah I am just a bit confused what kinds of sci fi you like that differ from those.
Fair, I wouldn't mind seeing more anime adaptions of classic Western novels again. Happy Anne of Green Gables is getting another look even if the 70s one was good. The magical girl genre, is one I need to breach into more.
Anime comes in many more genres than what you listed. We don't get shows like World Masterpiece Theater anymore, and long-running magical girls used to be more varied than the yearly Precure.
Fair, I wouldn't mind seeing more anime adaptions of classic Western novels again. Happy Anne of Green Gables is getting another look even if the 70s one was good. The magical girl genre, is one I need to breach into more.
| @BilboBaggins365 I like visual novels, still a niche medium. I also like many SF manga by Leiji, Tezuka, and other deceased or elderly artists who never found much success in America. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to thewiru
@Lucifrost
At this point, I think I'll start to check MAL scores and see if I find any pattern.
At this point, I think I'll start to check MAL scores and see if I find any pattern.
| @thewiru no thats the worst thing u could do....check the genres/themes, dates, check the synopsis, check the cast, check the art style to get 1st impressions...if it is something u feel is to your liking watch it & form your own score &/or opinion |
Reply to Deathko
The first thing you need to do to enjoy old anime is tell ol' Deathko what you enjoy, and she'll give you awesome rec-
Go sit in te corner and reflect upon what you just said 👉
More seriously, the comments regarding image quality are very much pertinent. Old anime was made before the digital era. This sounds like it's not that important, but it has two implications:
- Old anime is not limited by definition. If it's well known and the cels are still around, someone will reshoot it in HD, 2K, 4K... This means my blu-ray of Akira and GitS on a giant ass modern screen absolutely CRUSH most modern anime. It's incredible to watch.
- Old anime wasn't made with digital compression and modern screens in mind, and they both struggle with dark and desaturated images. The result is that lots of old anime you can stream look like a soup of giant unreadable blobs of dark pixels.
The logical conclusion is that it's better to torrent old anime and take the best quality available, rather than stream some blurry ass disgusting 360p video. Cel animation is BEAUTIFUL, but lots of people will randomly blame digital artifacting and shit resolutions onto it. "It'S sO dArK" Yeah it's dark because dark looked awesome on old tech. Not cel animation's fault if dark looks ugly on current tech. I'd argue that modern anime is so vibrant and bright out of necessity. Some anime tried to emulate the old look in the early 2000s... Didn't turn out too well with 720p videos compressed on crappy DVDs...
The other thing to keep in mind, is that it was a different era. Music and humor for example are vastly different from what you find in modern anime. Wether it's a good thing or not is a matter of personal taste. If you can't stand city pop and hate 80s anime humor, well... No amount of coaching from cool MAL users like myself 👍 will let you "get it". And it's not a matter of when you were born either. What's popular comes and goes, and sometimes you like it, sometimes you don't. What's currently popular in anime in terms of music and humor gives me a strong urge to bash my skull against a wall until death delivers me from this painful existence, so I don't stress it much, I don't watch modern anime.
With this said, my offer to have a chat about what you like and want in your old anime still stands, so don't hesitate.
thewiru said:
Here are the 80's/90's anime I watched and didn't like much (Most are around a 4-6/10):
Akira
Iria: Zeiram The Animation
Cowboy Bebop
Serial Experiments Lain
Here are the 80's/90's anime I watched and didn't like much (Most are around a 4-6/10):
Akira
Iria: Zeiram The Animation
Cowboy Bebop
Serial Experiments Lain
Go sit in te corner and reflect upon what you just said 👉
More seriously, the comments regarding image quality are very much pertinent. Old anime was made before the digital era. This sounds like it's not that important, but it has two implications:
- Old anime is not limited by definition. If it's well known and the cels are still around, someone will reshoot it in HD, 2K, 4K... This means my blu-ray of Akira and GitS on a giant ass modern screen absolutely CRUSH most modern anime. It's incredible to watch.
- Old anime wasn't made with digital compression and modern screens in mind, and they both struggle with dark and desaturated images. The result is that lots of old anime you can stream look like a soup of giant unreadable blobs of dark pixels.
The logical conclusion is that it's better to torrent old anime and take the best quality available, rather than stream some blurry ass disgusting 360p video. Cel animation is BEAUTIFUL, but lots of people will randomly blame digital artifacting and shit resolutions onto it. "It'S sO dArK" Yeah it's dark because dark looked awesome on old tech. Not cel animation's fault if dark looks ugly on current tech. I'd argue that modern anime is so vibrant and bright out of necessity. Some anime tried to emulate the old look in the early 2000s... Didn't turn out too well with 720p videos compressed on crappy DVDs...
The other thing to keep in mind, is that it was a different era. Music and humor for example are vastly different from what you find in modern anime. Wether it's a good thing or not is a matter of personal taste. If you can't stand city pop and hate 80s anime humor, well... No amount of coaching from cool MAL users like myself 👍 will let you "get it". And it's not a matter of when you were born either. What's popular comes and goes, and sometimes you like it, sometimes you don't. What's currently popular in anime in terms of music and humor gives me a strong urge to bash my skull against a wall until death delivers me from this painful existence, so I don't stress it much, I don't watch modern anime.
With this said, my offer to have a chat about what you like and want in your old anime still stands, so don't hesitate.
| @Deathko Deathko said: With this said, my offer to have a chat about what you like and want in your old anime still stands, so don't hesitate. I would love that. Do you want it to be here or via DMs? |
Reply to joemaamah
@ColourWheel You bring up a very valid point. There are so many dogshit pirates, it's hard to find decent copies out there, unless you can hunt down the original released DVDs. And I too have found a lot of "remasters" being more like remasturbations. Even licensed library copies from sites like CR can be poor. I think your example of Slayers is a perfect example. I own the original DVD box set and it still looks great. A few years back I saw a Blu-Ray remaster that hacked things so bad it was unwatchable. There are lots of other titles "from back in the day" that fall into the same hopeless mess.
joemaamah said: @ColourWheel You bring up a very valid point. There are so many dogshit pirates, it's hard to find decent copies out there, unless you can hunt down the original released DVDs. And I too have found a lot of "remasters" being more like remasturbations. Even licensed library copies from sites like CR can be poor. I think your example of Slayers is a perfect example. I own the original DVD box set and it still looks great. A few years back I saw a Blu-Ray remaster that hacked things so bad it was unwatchable. There are lots of other titles "from back in the day" that fall into the same hopeless mess. A friend of mine I was talking today made a great analogy about this type of thing randomly when I brought it up in a conversation. He basically said something along the lines of this... One usually trying to experience most "retro" Anime streaming or converted into some digital form is like someone trying experience an arcade game by ripping the ROM then trying to play it on a computer. Half of the experience and fun of playing arcade games is the experience standing up over the cabinet, using an analog joystick, being able to mash ones fingers down on the buttons as hard as one can, and performing as best as possible to prevent from being defeated or be forced to physically shove in more coins during the countdown display before time runs out just to continue. To the physical interaction of being around strangers and even the over all atmosphere that most arcades have of hearing the sounds of multiple games running at the same time. One feels more alive playing Videogames in an Arcade even if it's something as simple as the Arcade cabinet of "Breakout". Even pinball machines are more fun in real life than trying to play a digital videogame that attempts to emulate it on an videogame console. "Ms. Pacman" is 1000 times more fun to play in an arcade cabinet then trying to play it on even a videogame console. It's almost the contrast of listing to music on the radio compared to physically going to a live concert to see the music band perform live. |
ColourWheelYesterday, 7:58 PM
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Reply to Lucifrost
@thewiru
Good luck. My own attempts to find such patterns ended in failure.
Good luck. My own attempts to find such patterns ended in failure.
| @Lucifrost @ItachiDeltaForce Upon checking scores, I noticed a correlation between those I didn't manage to like having what would be considered "a bad MAL Score". So maybe I did make shitty picks. |
thewiru said: Upon checking scores, I noticed a correlation between those I didn't manage to like having what would be considered "a bad MAL Score". So maybe I did make shitty picks. I just want to say, you will get nowhere when trying to check scores on MAL for titles older than most Users have been alive. If MAL existed back in the 70s most Anime would likely have drastically higher scoring than what is represented today. It's because this platform didn't really start to exist until the mid 2000s when it was simply called Animelist. "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" was considered a star making film that defined an era when it was released in 1982 in North America. It was basically a box office hit with rave reviews when it came out and revered that way even in the early 90s. You have a bunch of kids try to watch that movie today, those brats would score it badly just because it looks "old". If MAL was a platform that was just now introduced in 2025, a majority of Anime in the 2000s and 2010s would likely mirror the type of scoring that is commonly seen for titles dating back before the turn of the century. |
ColourWheel10 hours ago
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Reply to thewiru
@Lucifrost
@ItachiDeltaForce
Upon checking scores, I noticed a correlation between those I didn't manage to like having what would be considered "a bad MAL Score".
So maybe I did make shitty picks.
@ItachiDeltaForce
Upon checking scores, I noticed a correlation between those I didn't manage to like having what would be considered "a bad MAL Score".
So maybe I did make shitty picks.
| @thewiru Umm, Zeta Gundam? The most popular anime you watched all have high scores. The obscure anime have lower scores, true, but that's because all obscure anime have low scores. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to ItachiDeltaForce
so u will finally learn to wise up & refine your taste. you're starting to get it. Its boy meets world huh?!
"its just a phase sonny"
"its just a phase sonny"
| @ItachiDeltaForce WHEN THIS BOY MEETS WORLD BOYYYY MEEEEEEEETS WORRRRRLLLLLDDD WALKIN DOWN THIS ROAD THAT WE CALL LIFE  |
Chandela10 hours ago
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@thewiru
Umm, Zeta Gundam? The most popular anime you watched all have high scores. The obscure anime have lower scores, true, but that's because all obscure anime have low scores.
Umm, Zeta Gundam? The most popular anime you watched all have high scores. The obscure anime have lower scores, true, but that's because all obscure anime have low scores.
| @Lucifrost I never said it was a 100% correlation. Lucifrost said: The obscure anime have lower scores, true, but that's because all obscure anime have low scores. Maybe those in specific are obscure due to having low scores, who knows? |
Reply to ColourWheel
thewiru said:
Upon checking scores, I noticed a correlation between those I didn't manage to like having what would be considered "a bad MAL Score".
So maybe I did make shitty picks.
Upon checking scores, I noticed a correlation between those I didn't manage to like having what would be considered "a bad MAL Score".
So maybe I did make shitty picks.
I just want to say, you will get nowhere when trying to check scores on MAL for titles older than most Users have been alive. If MAL existed back in the 70s most Anime would likely have drastically higher scoring than what is represented today. It's because this platform didn't really start to exist until the mid 2000s when it was simply called Animelist.
"Fast Times at Ridgemont High" was considered a star making film that defined an era when it was released in 1982 in North America. It was basically a box office hit with rave reviews when it came out and revered that way even in the early 90s. You have a bunch of kids try to watch that movie today, those brats would score it badly just because it looks "old".
If MAL was a platform that was just now introduced in 2025, a majority of Anime in the 2000s and 2010s would likely mirror the type of scoring that is commonly seen for titles dating back before the turn of the century.
| @ColourWheel That makes sense... though that just throws me back to square one. What should I do? |
Reply to Chandela
@ItachiDeltaForce
WHEN THIS BOY MEETS WORLD
BOYYYY MEEEEEEEETS WORRRRRLLLLLDDD
WALKIN DOWN THIS ROAD THAT WE CALL LIFE
WHEN THIS BOY MEETS WORLD
BOYYYY MEEEEEEEETS WORRRRRLLLLLDDD
WALKIN DOWN THIS ROAD THAT WE CALL LIFE
| @Chandela hehe... that was actually a good show back in the day |
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@Chandela hehe... that was actually a good show back in the day
| @ItachiDeltaForce Fuck yeah dude! My buddy and I did it last summer and that shit still holds up. |
I have no clue. Things just change with time. As an example I was talking with my friend today about the 80s and he remembered the aerobics craze during this time period that was popularized by people like Jane Fonda. You could go to a mall and see women walking around literally wearing nothing but sneakers and a tightly high cut fitting leotard and it was seen as something completely normal, specifically if the Mall had an aerobic fitness center that offered classes. I even remember when still living in Japan and going to a place like Namba City which was an indoor mall, seeing women all the time wearing nothing but sneakers and leotards because the place had an aerobics studio there too at the time. So one could go shopping and always see women in the place wearing nothing but sneakers and a leotard all the time in public in the 80s. Where today women wouldn't be caught dead just wearing sneakers and a leotard walking around even a mall even if the place has a fitness center in it. They would likely change at the fitness center or not even wear a leotard at all and wear something more modest. Though, the perve probably just misses seeing fit women walking around the mall with a thin piece of cloth tightly wrapped around their crotches. lol With that said an Anime that was popular in the 80s and is scored very low today, in 20 years from now might be seen as a hip title again in such future. Even possibly modern titles that are seen as complete trash today could be seen as treasures in 20 years from now too. |
ColourWheel9 hours ago
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@Deathko
I would love that.
Do you want it to be here or via DMs?
Deathko said:
With this said, my offer to have a chat about what you like and want in your old anime still stands, so don't hesitate.
With this said, my offer to have a chat about what you like and want in your old anime still stands, so don't hesitate.
I would love that.
Do you want it to be here or via DMs?
| @thewiru As you wish. My first impression, looking at your list, is that you like action shows, and a fair dose of mahou shoujo and ecchi comedies. Plus you rated KlK and TTGL a 10/10, so... https://myanimelist.net/anime/151/Re__Cutie_Honey Not exactly old (I agree with the line being 2000 or 2001), but close enough, and this version of Cutie Honey (the ancestor of magical girls, written by Go Nagai) has Gainax and Imaishi all over it. But it's only my first impression. We'll get a more accurate picture if you actually tell me what you like ;) |
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