I think the forces of Capital are inherently anti-media preservation

You guys know right that there is literally nothing stopping you from getting 10000000000000000000s of dollars worth of Hard Drives and Torrenting literally everything in existence right?

Supposedly even in Japan they dont care about preserving media beyond being a museum article left to rot not the actual content.

@traed Physical media is still pretty big in Japan, so preservation might not be as much of an active issue, maybe?

It's funny that OP never once mentioned the words "Socialism" nor "Communism", yet many comments are essentially "BUT WHAT ABOUT COMMUNISM?".

If my house has a rat problem, the fact that my neighbor's house has a rat problem AND a cockroach problem doesn't make my house have any less rats.

this is factually and historically incorrect. We've had storytellers, philosophers, artists, etc, for thousands of years. These stories used to be shared freely between people, had new versions made, passed around more.

On the scales of legal record, it is far more numerous that in cases of IP laws and copyright cases, the rulings go in favor of corporate owners far more often than the actual creator. It's such a common story it's not even newsworthy to hear about a creator who wishes they could do something with the thing they created before, but some company owns it instead and wants an obscene fee to license it out at all, if they even allow that option at all.

this is a gross generalization that discounts the billions it has disenfranchised, such as the entire nation of Haiti, the native people of North America and Hawaii, and more. Idgaf about what capitalism or socialism does on the grand scale in this thread, I'm talking about how the owning class are actively working against cases of media preservation by attacking things like Libraries and the Internet Archive, as well as more independent Archivist work. If capitalism is freedom, when why are companies allowed to crush archivists underfoot like this?

"allowed"... If you truly think that those sort of decisions were made without factors of coersion, you're an idiot. Artists trying to get their start are most desperate and willing to take a bad deal, and once they're stuck in a bad deal, the current systems make it incredibly difficult to get out of it

This exactly the kind of thing Corporate owner-types don't want. Using Video games as an example, Nintendo, Sony, Sega, and all of those giants are incentivized to, even if they aren't actively doing anything with an IP, sit on their IPs for the event that they could eventually maybe do some sort of re-release on newer hardware. They have a monetary incentive to behave in that way, to send Cease & Desists over emulators for 3 generations out-of-date consoles and striking down fangames. These are features, not bugs, of the system of Capitalism. It's why DIsney has the vault, where they purposely keep their stuff out of print for up to 20 years at a time.

in the digital age, many of the best things we've had were create in spite of this system, not because of it. Most programs today are still built on Open-Source projects, because in an environment without scarcity, it's the most logical course of action to share freely

It's funny that OP never once mentioned the words "Socialism" nor "Communism", yet many comments are essentially "BUT WHAT ABOUT COMMUNISM?".

If my house has a rat problem, the fact that my neighbor's house has a rat problem AND a cockroach problem doesn't make my house have any less rats.

@thewiru
OP mentioned capitalism. Socialism and communism are the most widely known alternatives. When you see someone bashing capitalism, what economic system do YOU think he's endorsing?

@Lucifrost
One can admit the flaws of a system and still defend such system because they believe such flaws are not something inherent of it, but rather something that can be changed or worked around.
It's called reformism, and in a way you could say that most people that critic capitalism are themselves reformists (I myself am a reformist).

...so am I. Holy shit, you post like a teenager. That's... so sad. Like I think I can just write you off now because you seriously do not know what you're talking about.

@Lucifrost
One can admit the flaws of a system and still defend such system because they believe such flaws are not something inherent of it, but rather something that can be changed or worked around.
It's called reformism, and in a way you could say that most people that critic capitalism are themselves reformists (I myself am a reformist).

@thewiru
The topic title outright says this problem is inherent to capitalism.

Please...you're an absolute moron scumbag who defends socialism and tyranny. You have no fucking argument, and neither you nor anyone else will ever take our RIGHTS and freedoms as Americans.




I did read it. I posted it so you could read it as well. There is a lot of information there that supports it. But even if it's just a few million, it's still inexcusable.


I noticed you provided no explanation or justification for socialist policies themselves; only a "we had to do it or the Nazis would get us" cop-out.


You can't even respond to anything I said, you goddamn commie. That's because you have no argument and no leg to stand on. I know exactly what I'm talking about, idiot.

@Lucifrost
His response to my comment implies he's not a commie, though.

at least the EU might help https://www.stopkillinggames.com/eci

Evil people who want to destroy the rights and liberty of others deserve to be insulted.

Writing pages worth of information, responding to you fools point by point, can hardly be considered ignoring. You are the one quite literally ignoring.

If I tell you that 2 + 2 = 4 and you choose not to believe it, insisting I'm making "declarative statements with no backups" and that I don't "rely on facts or real information" even when I explain in-depth for hours, that's your problem.


Capitalism is about free markets, consent, voluntary transactions, and the property rights and self-ownership of every individual; the very opposite of slavery.

I already covered that, but for some inxeplicable reason, you still weren't able to get it.

The fact that slavery happened to (legally) exist in America at first (not to mention throughout the world for thousands of years prior) is irrelevant. The founders of the nation hated slavery and wished to abolish it, but were unable to do so at the time due to political complications. Slavery wasn't even profitable to American society, by the way; overall, it cost more resources than the slaves produced.

If you want to read more on the topic, here's a link with insights from numerous contributors.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/1758asb/so_how_is_slavery_not_capitalism/

I'll end this section of the post with a quote. There is a lot more info on the link, for those interested in actually learning.
https://thelatterdayliberator.com/socialism-is-slavery-in-all-but-name/
"Just as slavery promised utopia but delivered hell, so too does socialism today. No matter what sweet words socialists whisper with honeyed lips, the outcome of their philosophy is always the same. Socialism produces nothing but poverty, oppression and slavery for all those subjected to it, because socialism is slavery."


Fun fact: you can adhere to a philosophy while not agreeing with everyone associated with it.


Yet you think socialism is compatible with liberty, even when socialist states were totalitarian nightmares and the entire ideology is explicitly anti-liberty, inevitably resulting in the state dictating everyone's lives and destroying individual freedom.


I really don't mind whether you continue to embarrass yourself or not. Your cowardice says it all.


I'm sorry to have made you sad. You seem like a sweet person. For what it's worth, I'm gentle with my friends.

First of all, pirating IS NOT supporting an industry.
It hurts the industry. I don't specifically care whether you think the industry deserves it or if you think it's justified.
Anime would never have become a thing in the west if it had not been a money-maker. If all the pirate sites got shut down and failed to re-establish, then what.... you'll stop watching anime? Really.

So do you pirate music? ALL your music? No? Didn't think so. The music industry is incredibly effective at going after people and stopping use of pretty much everything on any platform. People pirate [anime] because they can. I have used those sites, to find rare unlicensed stuff too... and when the site got nuked, I didn't GIVE A SHIT. I support the industry with my business, and it's thanks to people like us who do that anime became a thing in the west. Widespread piracy is what makes subscription fees high, and the thinning of margins only hurts the employees, not the bigshots. So congrats on harming the people who make the stuff you want because you can't "afford" 8 bucks a month.

I'm wondering but does Capitalism even affect the Music Industry?

Like Capitalism is when someone privately owns the Means Of Production which is shit like Factories.

Is Music made via Means Of Production like Factories? You gotta keep in mind, back in the 1800's when people were talking about Capitalism the only job that anyone had was a factory job. When they were talking about seizing the Means Of Production, they were talking about workers seizing the factories.

WHERE ARE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION?

@vasipi4946 Distribution would be the "means of production" in this case. Art that no one knows about is just a diary, and in the case of music, distribution platforms to this day have a bias toward working with record labels, most of which have some rather shady practices regarding how much gets released, when, what, and where you can perform it live. Those companies have deals with things like Spotify and Pandora (Do people use that anymore?) which allow them some degree of control and influence in the space to this day.

Holy crap, that's a great line! Can I quote you on that?

You keep resorting to ad hominem attacks without presenting any arguments or quoting me and explaining how you believe I am wrong. You couldn't even answer the simple question I asked you. I wonder why...

@Purple_Gh0st24 His belief is clearly a religion of capitalism at this point. Making declarative statements with no backups. The type of internet radicalization that doesn't rely on facts or real information. He starts with his conclusion of "CAPITALISM = LIBERTY, SOCIALISM = CHAINS" while ignoring any conflicting information. His ignoring of the African Slave Trade tells it all. A situation where human beings were not viewed as such under the system they were in and treated as capitalist tokens to be bought and sold certainly doesn't scream liberty to me. Like Murray Rothbard, a major figure in libertarian thought, even suggests that parents can sell their children and that's treated as a good thing! How can someone hold the idea that this is compatible with liberty is beyond me.

Either way, I've got the guy on ignore now so maybe he'll go crazy when I never respond to him again lo.

Auron_ said:
My opinion on this thread
A smug anime girl excluded, keep fighting to good fight o7.

Oh man, what a great opinion! When you implied I should die, it was so mesmerizing...then when you called me an anime girl, it filled me with such wonder that I have decided to become a socialist too. No argumentation or intelligent thought required on your part; just pure pwnage via disparagement. [/sarcasm]

...Yeah, I read that wrong.